right now on "andrea mitchell reports," norfolk southern's ceo apologizing to lawmakers and the country for a

string of derailments, primarily the derailment and toxic spill in east palestine, ohio, that's terrified residents. >> i want to begin today by expressing how deeply sorry i am for the impact this derailment has had on the residents of east palestine and the surrounding communities. i am determined to make this right. you have my personal commitment. norfolk southern will get the job done. this hour, an update on mitch mcconnell's health. the longest serving senate leader in either party hospitalized overnight after tripping at a private dinner in a d.c. hotel. tammy baldwin joins me to discuss her bill to legalize abortion rights across the nation, restoring the rights stripped away by the supreme court's dobbs decision.

good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. at a hearing today, senators in both parties are pressing norfolk southern's ceo to honor his company's commitments to the people of east palestine for months or years after the train derailment raising concerns over environmental safety. more breaking news, another train from their fleet derailing this morning in northeast alabama. no injuries or hazmat leaks, thankfully, have been reported. ryan nobles joins us now. ryan, this is not a good time for norfolk southern. take us through the highlights from the hearing. >> reporter: yeah, i think that norfolk southern was prepared for this. they knew their ceo was going to be grilled today by senators from both parties about the disaster that took place regarding the norfolk southern train that ended up derailing and causing a massive chemical and hazardous incident in east

palestine, ohio. he clearly came to the hearing prepared to not make any excuses and promise that norfolk southern was going to do everything they could to rectify this problem and prevent it from happening in the future. there's no doubt that senators have concerns that go beyond the accident itself. they want to make sure norfolk southern is responsible for the cleanup and the repair of the community and that they are going to take care of individuals that have been impacted by it from a health perspective. listen to what senator bernie sanders pressed shaw on earlier today. >> you talked about covering the needs of the people of east palestine. does that include paying for their health care needs? all of their health care needs? >> senator, we are going to do what's right for the citizens. >> what's right is to cover their health care needs. will you do that? >> everything is on the table, sir.

>> reporter: there's a lot of questions that he couldn't necessarily provide specific answers to, because so much is still fluid in terms of the recovery from this situation. senators made it very clear what their expectation is of shaw and his company. they have made it very clear that they're going to continue to hold him and the company to account. it's also important to point out that while this committee got the first crack at norfolk southern, they are not necessarily going to be the committee of jurisdiction, if you will, in terms of reforms that could come out of the capitol. that will likely be a different committee. it gives some indication as to how serious members of congress are taking this situation in ohio. >> i know that this is going to continue on both houses, probably. ryan, stay with the senate for a moment. give us an update on mitch mcconnell who was hospitalized overnight. we know the republican leader

is, i believe, 81 years old. >> reporter: that's right. he is 81 years old. he tripped and fell during a dinner at the waldorf astoria in washington, d.c. that's the former trump international hotel before the former president sold it and it's under the banner of waldorf astoria. a number of republican senators were invited. we talked to a few today who said that mcconnell seemed to be in good spirits during the event itself. not many people saw him actually fall. we don't have a lot of indication as to what led to the fall and subsequently how much recovery time is required after his stay in the hospital. we are hoping to get an update in the next couple of hours. at this point, all we know is that he fell and it led to a hospital stay, that he is still in the hospital. they are hoping for a full recovery. >> absolutely. we wish him well. of course, also to elaine chow,

former cabinet member in several cabinets, who is his wife. thank you very much, ryan nobles. turning back to the senate and the issue of the hearing with norfolk southern's ceo. joining us now is jennifer amandi, the chair of the national transportation safety board, which has oversight over rail safety and safety in all these other transportation modes. can you bring us up to date on how -- let's talk about norfolk southern as a company. there's so many derailments. is it just that we are noticing this more because of the focus on east palestine, even in events like today in alabama where there may not have been injuries or any hazmat involvement? >> train accidents overall are going up on main line track where the east palestine derailment occurred they are going down, but in railyards

they are going up significantly. regardless of the accidents statistics, it just takes one. one accident like this to really devastate a community, which is why we need to be vigilant when it comes to rail safety. >> why the increase in rail accidents in the freight rails? is this because of the age of the rails, the cars, lack of inspections? >> it's difficult to compare when we do an investigation. sometimes there are similar contributing factors. sometimes there are not. we try not to compare. with this one, we are looking at within a pretty short period of time five accidents involving norfolk southern that we are now investigating. and then we're going to take a look at the one we did not investigate from sanduskey,

ohio. then we will do a review of the safety culture and organizational practices there. >> what more do we know about east palestine, speaking of the most serious? >> for east palestine, we know for a fact the derailment occurred on railcar number 23 and that it was due to an overheated rail bearing. the what comes to us quickly. it's how did we get to the point where a wheel bearing was run until failure? how did we get there? what decision make, what management practices, what management policies? that's what we are digging into now. we are doing testing on the pressure relief valves for the five tank cars to see how they were performing while the fire was ensuing. one thing we do want to look at is the performance of the tank cars overall. >> what about crew involvement, crew practices and training? >> for this one, the crew -- we have no reason to believe the

crew did anything wrong. we have no evidence of that. in fact, once the derailment occurred, they were braking, when the derailment occurred. they disconnected or uncoupled the locomotive from the rest of the cars and moved their locomotive up about a mile, which was in accordance with policy. what we do want to look at is, what is going on at norfolk southern with respect to inspection and maintenance of the railcars. >> does any of this relate to cost cutting, layoffs or other things that are perhaps indicated by the economy, but aren't in the best interests of community safety? >> it could. it could very well include some cost cutting and having workers that are doing more with less, which is part of why we want to look at the safety culture within the railroad. >> what about the commitments that shaw says he is personally making to that community to be with them for long-term?

there are concerns that we have seen from burn pits, from the 9/11 relief, the first responders, years later they are suffering from terrible cancers and other diseases, lung diseases, non-cancer lung disease that are fatal, that are expensive, that are heartbreaking. >> the company has to be there for that community. that's what's most important is the health and wellness of the community. we often don't talk about is beyond the physical injuries and concerns with pets and their safety and concerns about jobs being lost due to illnesses. we don't talk a lot about the mental health aspect. just how devastating seeing something like that and experiencing it is. experiencing that is. it can be very devastating. that company has to be there for the long-term for that community.

>> why so many incidents in this company? you are looking at that. what about the other company? >> we still have to look at the other companies. it's interesting, because i was looking at the three major freight railroads that are operating in ohio right now. canadian national, which has some track, very limited, csx and norfolk southern. csx operates twice as much track as norfolk southern, but norfolk southern has a higher accident rate per 1,000 miles of track. we are going to have to take that into account as part of our investigations. >> how long is this investigation do you think? >> over the course of a year to maximum 18 months we will dig in very deeply into the company and their practices. but we are also going to have a pretty rare investigative hearing in east palestine, ohio,

in the june time frame. any time during the investigation we can issue urgent safety recommendations and will not hesitate to do that. >> finally, your own agency, do you have enough regulations? do you have enough person power? what are you facing? >> what we're facing is a pretty big shortage of staff for investigations. we sent 10 or 11 investigators to this -- to just east palestine, which combined our managing 38 major investigations alone. we need additional resources. i'm hopeful we will get that out of the president's budget today so we can hire more personnel and provide them with the training they need so that we can succeed in our mission of safety. >> thank you so much for taking time from your busy schedule. we hope you will be in touch with updates as this goes on. >> absolutely. thank you for having me. >> our pleasure. intelligence leaders on capitol hill today.

this time briefing the house intelligence committee about worldwide threats. the director of national intelligence reiterating that china and china's communist party or ccp remain the leading threat to u.s. national security. >> the ccp represents both the leading and most comment shall threat to u.s. national security and its intelligence capability make it our most serious and consequence shall intelligence rival. during the past year, the threat has been additional complicated by a deepening collaboration with russia which is a focus for the intelligence community. >> joining me now is justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. this is the annual assessment of global threats. she talked about the threats from russia, the war in ukraine, iran, north korea. her main focus is china. what else stood out to you? >> what stood out is their

assessment of china becoming authoritarian and the belief in china that china's rise depends on essentially america's decline. they can only gain power and influence at the expense of american power and influence. that's a recipe for conflict. that's a zero sum game. it sounds dangerous. >> what about the possibility of china working more closely with vladimir putin at this pivotal moment we believe in the war? >> you know, they reiterated their belief that china is considering providing lethal arms to help russia in the war in ukraine but they haven't made that decision yet. >> the hearing, when i was watching it before i came out here, was focusing on section 702. this gets down in the weeds. but it's the foreign intelligence surveillance act post 9/11 with potential for abuses where the intelligence community can go in and grab megadata, phone numbers and track if there are foreign phone

connections that might be able to prevent terrorism from overseas. what about abuses? what about reform? it's going to expire. it's not an automatic. she said that it's critical to their work. >> it's critical -- it's going to expire at the end of the year. almost everyone agrees they're going to have to be reforms to it. it's not just phone calls. it's internet data, traversing google, apple, facebook, microsoft. most of this surveillance is directed at foreigners. what's controversial is the fbi searched 3.4 million times in 2021 for american information, without warrants. that's what gets people very concerned, particularly house republicans. fbi director spent time talking about reforms he has implemented because they got criticized through some internal reviews a few years ago for some abuses on the fbi side. he is saying he cleaned it up. they did not make that sale. house republicans are demanding changes.

tech companies are asking for changes as well. >> just yesterday, the senate chairman mark warner said there has to be druft both ways. if they want 702 approved, they have to turn over information about the classified documents that they have been trying to get briefed on and have not gotten any substantive briefings on regarding former president trump and then, of course, the president himself when he was vice president and former vice president pence. one final question, the members of the house and senate being informed wednesday -- you were working on this hacking that may have gained access to their sensitive information through the d.c. health link. social security numbers and other information is on sale on the dark web for members of congress? >> it's another example of how we are all vulnerable. members of congress, their personal information, social security numbers, names of relatives, addresses are available for sale on the dark web. the fbi purchased some of that information according to a letter from the house speaker

and the democratic leader. we don't know the full story behind this breach, but it seems significant. also, the kind of thing that happens almost every day. we don't have a handle on all of these cyberattacks and breaches. >> you have scared me. thanks very much, ken. thanks for the update. hot off the presses, just this hour, president biden unveiling his budget plan. now he is off to philadelphia, as you can see, to start the sales pitch. what we know about what's in it and will republicans buy it? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. reports." this is msc.nb family is just very important. she's my sister and, we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together. ♪♪ it's a battle, you know i'm going to be there. keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. in a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people

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welcome back. president biden is on his way to philadelphia. he will unveil his propose budget. it calls for slashing $3 trillion from the federal deficit in ten years. his biggest pledge, higher taxes on those earning more than $400,000 a year, none on people earning less. a big emphasis on walling off

medicare and social security from any cuts. an issue democrats are teeing up for 2024 against republicans, some of whom in this past round in the midterms did talk about cutting those. republicans say, the president's budget is dead on arrival. speaker kevin mccarthy has not unveiled the republican budget yet. omb director young told my colleague carol lee there's room for negotiation. >> we think there's absolutely room to have bipartisan legislative accomplishments from pieces he is presenting in this budget. this is the beginning of the dialogue. >> the republican counterplan is expected later this spring, setting up a battle over spending, tax rates, government borrowing, entitlement and the debt ceiling. joining us now from philadelphia is carol lee who had that interview and with mre now is

sabrina sadiki and douglas osekan. carol, first to you. the white house calling this a value statement. when we look at the budgets, this is an opening offer, obviously. what are they willing to negotiate, do you think? they are walling often titlements and anything that would get serious about really dealing with the deficit by saying, there's no room to negotiate on entitlements. >> yeah, andrea. a lot of the propoesz aisam-ul-haqs the president is putting forward in this budget are non-starters for republicans. he is well aware of that. things like raising questions on the wealthy, raising taxes on corporations. a lot of the provisions in this budget, the proposals with things that are familiar, things the president was unable to get done whether democratless control of the house and the senate. it's a wish list of what the

president wants to do. you mentioned social security and medicare. even if the president and republicans can agree that they want to make sure to preserve those benefits and those entitlement programs, how to get there and achieve that, there's a wide gap in terms of the differences the president is proposing, for instance, to shore up medicare trust fund. the way he pays for that is raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations, which is something that republicans are not going to support. that said, the omb director said that there are areas in this budget that they hope that the republicans and the white house can compromise on, things like rail safety, for instance. there's a $1.5 billion in the budget the president proposes for rail safety funds to preserve rail safety. there's crime prevention. that's something that she said that she hopes that republicans and the white house can come to some sort of an agreement on. take a listen.

>> one thing that comes to mind is safer communities.controvers. it should be bipartisan to agree we should have more cops. the conversations around this have turned political. people use it as political football. if you are serious about it, work with us. >> one of the things that she said is that this budget is the beginning of a dialogue with republicans. however, she said that the president will not negotiate around raising that debt limit later this summer. negotiations on government spending will need to be separate from that. >> let's drill down on that. sabrina, the president talked about taxes. he is going to talk about taxes. he is talking about raising taxes on the wealthy, not middle class and people working class people. raising taxes at all in an

election year can be a political tripwire. >> i think what the president and the white house are saying is that these tax increases would specifically be toward the wealthy and corporations, which is messaging that we have seen from democratic administrations in the past as well. it was core to president obama's economic messaging. the white house says that these tax increases are necessary to reduce the deficit as well as to offset costs for domestic spending. they are placing an emphasis on paid family leave, childcare, health care, the solvency of entitlement programs such as medicare and social security. some of the hikes they are proposing are on increasing taxes on those earning more than $400,000 a year, 25% minimum tax on billionaires, doubling the capital gains tax and doing away with the tax breaks for corporations that were assigned under former president trump. it's dead on arrival in a

republican led house. we are not expecting this to become law. it lays the contours of the debate over spending later this year as well as gives us a preview of a potential -- what will be core to i think president biden's expected re-election campaign. >> this is like the 2024 kickoff in terms of the themes of campaign. doug, put on your cbo hat when you used to be a neutral down the middle guy scoring these budgets. how would you score this if there were political hope for getting any of this passed? is it realistic in terms of deficit reduction? >> i think if you look at the up ins, the key moment is when they look at the economic impact. they do the scoring. then they do a separate nal sis. how much will the economy grow if we do this? what republicans are going to argue is that he is pretending you can tax the rich in isolation but we live in the

same economy. this enormous increase in taxes will hurt growth, hurt the working people as a result. the cbo will reveal that if that's what's in there. that's the moment to look for. >> let's talk about the debt ceiling. that's the next real crisis we can talk about. we know how difficult it is to get any passed in terms of a budget. the debt ceiling is going to hit the wall in june, july, whenever that term ends, with the fed chair saying yesterday in his testimony that there's nothing magical, there's no way around dealing with this. >> that's right. even the thing they call prioritization, we pretend we can pay treasury bills anz not pay other bills probably won't work in practice. all that would do is delay the inevitable. they have to come to terms with the fact that this money is owed. you have to raise the debt limit to borrow and pay the bills. how they get there, i'm not smart enough to figure out. but they need to get there fast. >> carol, bring this back to what the president is willing to

do on this. if he is not going to negotiate, that's just a starting point, right? at some point, he is not going to get a clean debt ceiling bill. >> yeah, look, this is their position, andrea, for now. it remains to be seen exactly how this plays out. it's very high stakes. it's notable that president biden, when he was vice president, was part of negotiations with house republicans on cutting spending in coalition with raising the debt limit. this is something that he has done in the past. he changed his mind since then for a number of reasons. this is something certainly that the white house does not want to see happen on the president's watch where the u.s. defaults. >> sabrina, a big unknown here is mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell and joe biden know how to negotiate with each other. they are friends. not only rivals -- political

rivals. if there were any hope of getting around that house gridlock, it's mitch mcconnell. now we don't know how long he is out for and we're hoping this is just a minor precautionary hospitalization. if he is not in the game, that's a big change. >> right. it's hard to really overstate leader mcconnell's impact within the republican conference. he is the longest serving republican leader. we don't know, as you point out, how long he will be away and n what is already a very narrowly divided senate. and a narrowly divided house. every vote is key. i think he has notion atsed with president biden in the past. he was key to the negotiations under the obama administration when biden was vice president. he will play a critical role even if he is not physically there in person in the negotiations. >> doug, you know the importance of mitch mcconnell. you have dealt with him. >> yeah. this is a big loss. >> his knowledge of the budget

is unparalleled. >> he is an extraordinarily knowledgeable and a great tactician. you can see him watching this debate and waiting for the right time to enter. let's hope he is well enough to do it when he needs to. >> we all wish that this is a minor issue. we are both sitting here in boots. we know what falls and trips can -- thanks so much. it's great to see you. carol lee with her exclusive with the aombd director. the house leader ripping into a fox news host for fuelling the false claim that the january 6 deadly riot was, quote, mostly peaceful. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. tchell reports." this is msnbc. mara, are you sure you don't want -to go bowling with us tonight? -yeah. no. there's my little marzipan! [ laughs ] oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree. [ imitates trumpet playing ]

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the insurrection as, quote, mostly peaceful, despite what all of us witnessed that day. >> there is bipartisan condemnation for lies and conspiracy theories that tucker carlson continues to pedal on air. bipartisan condemnation. it's dangerous. it's dysfunctional. it's disgusting. the group that has some explaining to do at this point in time are the extreme maga republicans in the house. >> joining me now, susan page, brendan buck and victoria soto. brendan, tucker last night distorted what happened on the day of the attack. went after late officer brian sicknick again and defended the

rioter who is known as the qanon shaman. what do you make of this? >> i think it's astonishing we are talking about january 6 and the fact that republicans are bringing it up. i think kevin mccarthy is well aware that this is not good politics for republicans. you are left asking the question, why did he do this in in the first place? why are they bringing it up? it goes back to he had to make deals with republicans, including marjorie taylor greene. it has been reported this was a priority of hers to bring this up and get to the bottom of it in her mind. you have to remember that a lot of these republicans live in an alternate reality where there's two years of propaganda shoved down people's throats to believe this was, as tucker carlson

said, a largely peaceful event. republicans once again have walked themself into politically bad territory. if we are the party of tucker carlson, we are in big trouble. >> let's talk about crime as an issue in 2024. because it's clear the white house is so sensitive to this issue. you saw what happened in chicago with the mayor losing in that primary race. cities across the country and other communities worried about crime, or at least that is the perception. the president is flipping on this issue from being with house democrats at their retreat one day and then the next day telling the senate that he was in fact going to sign this bill, which was passed by the senate with a lot of -- more than 30 democrats voting for it. there's a lot of nervousness about the crime issue in the democratic camp. >> that's right. this is an effort for president biden to bolster his law and

order credentials. he did it at the expense of his own troops in the house. we saw the gop campaign arm yesterday aired ads against 15 of the house democrats who voted for that measure and to support the d.c. overhaul of the criminal code before they knew biden would sign it. that has put them out on a limb. that is one reason why house democrats are so unhappy with the president. also concern among the most progressive democrats the president is going too much to the center as he gets ready for what looks like another election bid. >> triangulation revived. what does it remind you of? >> of bill clinton. >> certainly reminds you of bill clinton. he won two terms successfully. victoria, nbc news is reporting the biden administration is considering in advance of the

title 42 expiring in may, considering reinstating family detentions for migrants. very controversial. no final decision has been made. secretary mayorkas told house members he is against it. we don't know what the white house will decide, right? border crossings are expected to surge again when 42 -- that health measure expires in may. >> we see the administration in an incredibly tight position again with regard to immigration. the good news being that title 42 seems like it will be lifted in mid may, something that democrats, especially the more progressive base has been pushing for. when that happens, everything points to an increase in people trying to seek asylum. one of the options placed on the table is reinstating family detention. that one i think is a loser in

terms of what a strong measure it is. when we start seeing those images of children, of mothers, of families being put in these conditions that are not humane -- remember, we don't have the infrastructure. the surge that we have seen over the last couple of years has not been met by an infrastructure that can meet those demands. even though this might be moving to the center in terms of the policy, once we see those optics, the biden administration gets into very dangerous territory. last bit on this, what frustrates me is we don't have a more holistic view of immigration. what about an immigration reform that addresses this type of stuff? >> when you say infrastructure, we don't have judges toed ajut indicate the cases and hhs ability to take care of children. that's what we saw months ago when this came to a head. before we go, brendan, i wanted

to ask you about mitch mcconnell. we don't anything about list illness. he has been hospitalized. hoping it's not serious. he is critical to things getting done on the hill and to the institutional memory of the republican party, especially with these house republicans on the other side of the capitol. >> yeah. obviously, a lot of people talking about this today, hoping for the best. that this is just a minor fall and he will be back quickly. i have confidence that in any shape, mitch mcconnell is going to find his way back to the senate, the place he loves. we are all pulling for him today. he is a legend at this point. we are thinking about him. >> indeed, we are. susan, brendan, victoria, thanks to all of you. the bottom line, the biggest pharmacy chain in the country feeling the financial impact now of its decision to not sell the abortion pill after legal threats in more than 20 states. california has reacted. senator tammy baldwin is joining

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for 20 years. walgreens calling that decision deeply disappointing, claiming the state's decision was based on false and misleading information. more fallout from the dobbs decision, 47 senators are backing a new bill to codify the right to an abortion into federal law. it would enshrine the protections stripped after the fall of roe. democratic senator tammy baldwin is leading that effort and joining me now. thank you very much for being with us. >> good afternoon. >> you know the numbers. it's good to see you. 47 is not enough to pass this bill, not to mention what would happen in the house. how can you get there? is there any way that you can see -- >> we introduced yesterday with 49 members of the united states senate and others who are still reviewing the women's health protection act. the fact that we have grown

support even over the last year is heartening. this is a basic effort to restore the rights and freedoms that were stripped away from americans last summer. it has real time devastating affects. in a state like my own, wisconsin, and the 13 other states that have near total bans on abortion access. i told the story yesterday on the senate floor of erica, a constituent who with her partner scott have been wanting to have a child for the longest time. and yet, when her -- whn her ultrasound revealed her fetus would not survive, she couldn't get the health care she needed for her health and her life. that is happening across wisconsin. that is happening across all the other states with severe limitations. we need to act to restore these rights.

we need to have bills like the women's health protection act to grow that support in the congress. we also need to be working on every front, at the state level, at the local level. we need to have all hands on deck. >> what comes to mind is why democrats didn't try when the house was in democratic hands to do this last year, before dobbs. >> we actually did in both houses move for votes on the women's health protection act, again, to restore the basic fundamental rights and freedoms. we need to grow that support. we have to do so especially in the urgency of now. the urgency of the situation where women in 14 states in the united states have virtually no access to abortion care. we have to work at every level. i would say in wisconsin, we

have a state supreme court race where the issue of whether women in wisconsin will have the freedoms and rights to seek comprehensive reproductive health care is on the line. that's something that we can do just in the next month on april 4th, that election will be held. we have to be looking at every level. this fight goes on at every level, including the national level where we have to pass the women's health protection act. >> that april 4th election in your supreme court in wisconsin is one of the signature elections. with so much at stake there in wisconsin. let's talk about walgreens for a moment. here we are at a pivotal time with other kinds of measures, texas and so many states moving measures to restrict access to abortion now that the dobbs decision came down. then you have got the medical abortions with the pill. the pill has been on the market

for 20 years. >> right. >> what do you say to walgreens, a national chain, for taking this step? >> i think walgreens really messed up. i think walgreens needs to stand up and be very clear to their customers and to the american public about where they will be selling and dispensing this drug. this is something that has been approved by the food and drug administration for the last 20 years. it's safe. it's effective. walgreens should not limit in any way access to this drug except as they review the state laws in which they operate, in states they operate. but i really think walgreens messed up and needs to come forth and clarify for their customers and the american people what their position is.

>> senator tammy baldwin, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it. hunger pains. the end of covid-era benefits to help feed those in need puts an extra strange on an overwhelmed families and the organizations that support them. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on. within the past weeks, 32 states and washington d.c., have ended the emergency food assistance program. kentucky already ended those benefits last year, but before that in 2022, 12% of people in the state, meaning one out of every eight people participated in the program. joining me now is nbc's marissa parra from a food pantry in louisville, kentucky. you're talking to people at the sister visitor center food pantry. tell me what they're telling you. >> reporter: well, they're certainly feeling the difference. they have felt that difference. those who were on the s.n.a.p. benefits last year as they ended told me that share shopping

habits changed significantly. one woman was telling us she has three children, she's trying to provide for not just them but hes and her husband. she says once those s.n.a.p. benefits extra allotments, she was having to decide what was going to make the cut that week and what was not. this is something that i've seen across the board. i was in maryland last week speaking to families just as this change went into effect and they had to do the same thing, making a judgment call on what is going to stay in the shopping cart and what is not. we talked about roughly 30 states ending that extra pandemic boost, if you will, that went into effect in march of 2020. and some states, around 18 of them, including the one we're in right now, kentucky, opted to end those last year. so the reason that that's important when we're looking at how these 30 states or so are going to fare is kentucky has

seen significant changes in the need for people showing up to food pantries and food banks like the one that we're in. i want to read you this statistic coming from one of the sisters who operates this food pantry. she says in march of last year they were serving 1,500 people, by june that number was 2,000, and by august of last year that number was 2,300. we had a chance to talk to her. take a listen. >> many of our clients are one paycheck away from, you know, being on the streets, so they're really having to decide am i going to pay my rent this month? am i going to pay my electric bill, or am i going to put food on the table? >> andrea, the urban institute estimates that this program kept 4.2 million people from falling below the poverty line. food security advocates argue that rolling these extra allotments back is coming at a time when inflation is certainly

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