considering making that happen, reintroducing the bipartisan sunshine protection act, but some critics point out we have tried it before which after a string of morning traffic accidents in the 1970s lasted less than a year. author of seize the daylight says we should embrace the current system. >> even with the problems people have with the time change i think the current system is the best alternative. >> reporter: emilie ikeda, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, a new twist in the ongoing saga involving embattled congressman george santos. his unconventional reaction to a bill making sure he can't profit

off lies he's told if convicted. testing the waters, florida governor ron desantis trying out new lines in iowa for a very unofficial kickoff to his widely expected presidential run. the latest legal developments for his potential rival donald trump. what he's saying about the manhattan d.a. investigating hush money payments to stormy daniels. we're also watching now a stock selloff which has been accelerating in the past hour. investigators are spooked by the second biggest bank collapse in u.s. history. our nbc news reporters are covering all of the latest developments and we begin with the selloff on wall street this hour. nbc's seema mody is with us. what has investors so concerned about the collapse of the silicon valley bank? >> well, chris, svp is certainly the story of the hour on wall street as the bank has been shut down for the day by california regulators, this as the large institution in silicon valley

with really broad reach across the technology industry has failed to find a buyer as a run on bank outpaced the sale process. that's according to our reporting. financial tumbling 60% on thursday after the bank announced a plan to raise $2 billion in capital, and today the stock has been halted after dropping another 60%. shares never reopen for trading, but clearly a lot of talk about how the federal reserve's aggressive rate hikes have impacted financial institutions like svp which clearly was caught off guard and now the question is whether this will have broader implications two weeks ahead of the fed meeting coming up on march 21st. >> seema mody, thank you very much for that. donald trump's attorneys say the hush money case against the former president is unfair and baseless, but may also be the first to result in an indictment. nbc's vaughn hillyard covering this from d.c. what's the latest?

>> michael cohen, the former fixer to donald trump who has already served prison time. he pled guilty in 2018 on charges that he not only falsified business records but also engaged in illegal campaign contribution stemming from that 2016 hush money payment to porn actress stormy daniels on, he says behalf of donald trump. now it's important to note that for the 20th time today, michael cohen went to meet with prosecutors from the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg's office. now, cohen expects to appear before the grand jury next week. and all of this is coming as donald trump, we are told, has also had an invitation extended to him to go and sit down with this manhattan d.a., this grand jury that has been impanelled that is investigating that very hush money payment. donald trump that has continued to deny that he had sex with stormy daniels but acknowledged giving that $130,000 to michael

cohen for the purpose of paying off stormy daniels to keep her story silent. at the same time, he says this was a private contract, and instead it was intended to keep silent a defamatory and false accusation from stormy daniels at the time. now, the question here is how close is the district attorney to potentially bringing charges. if he were to choose to go to the grand jury and seek an indictment. all of this is happening as the fulton county district attorney fani willis is considering charges in a case involving the 2022 efforts to overturn the election in georgia. so all of this is coming to a head here as donald trump is settle to go to iowa on monday. chris? >> vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. later this hour, why a potential indictment in the case could be risky for prosecutors and also what it might mean for trump's 2024 campaign. our legal and political analysts are standing by on that.

ron desantis is test driving some attack lines in the early primary state of iowa, as reports indicate he has decided to run for president. dasha burns is driving across the state, heading to a second desantis event. so sounds like we're getting some early indications that desantis is ready to ramp things up. what are we looking for in this second appearance. >> my colleague savannah guthrie said earlier this morning, going to iowa is saying you're running without saying you're running. we've got about 80 miles to go down to des moines for desantis's second stop. we're likely to hear a similar message, what he has been doing here is sort of using his book tour as a platform to get thiz message out. he's been touting what he sees as his biggest successes in florida, and pulling back the curtain, and how that might apply in states like iowa and nationally. positioning himself as a leader not just in florida but as a

republican conservative leader that folks outside of his home state can look to as well. his davenport event, he hit on issues of education, immigration, his feud with disney was a big point in his address to iowans. take a listen to what he said on that. >> the 800 pound gorilla of florida politics came out and fought us when we were trying to protect kids from the gender ideology. disney world is our most famous company. they have a massive footprint, and they opposed the bill. we run the state of florida. we don't subcontract out leadership to a woke company based in california in the state of florida. we're signing the bill. >> reporter: yeah, chris, he's really been leaning in to the sort of culture wars, the battles that he's waged and the

iowa audience was very receptive to that. here's the thing, though, iowans are very discerning, they are going to go to all of the events over the coming months. the folks that i talked to were in the audience, said they were impressive with desantis. they want to wait and see what happens. they're waiting for a formal announcement from him. this is his first big test to see how he appeals to iowans. is he going to be doing more of the handshaking. we saw him do a little bit of that after the event in davenport. we'll see how he's received in des moines next. >> as someone who has heard more than a few of them as you have had, that sounded like the start of a stump speech. dasha burns, thank you very much for that. the strange tail of congressman george santos keeps getting stranger. now, offering to cosponsor a new bill that is aimed at him.

nbc congressional correspondent julie tsirkin is following this. what is it all about? >> let me say first, i think if george santos added professional troll to his resume, no one would combat that assessment because, look, he's signing on to this piece of legislation launched by congressman anthony deesposito, the first to call for san santos's resignation. that bill would prevent anyone convicted of fraud or other crimes to profit after leaving congress and this bill was also signed on by three other republican new york freshmen. here's what santos said this morning of why he wants to sign on to this bill so badly. >> i think this is a great bill. it keeps everybody accountable. people need to stop think washington, d.c. is a payday after they serve. i would like to be on the bill

to make sure people take it serious. i'm willing and ready to walk away from wrong doing because i know i did not commit any crimes, nor will i be convicted of it. >> the congressman said no way to santos joining this bill, even comparing the situation and taking it as seriously as quote, as sam bankman-fried teaching a course in business ethics. he plans to introduce other house keeping measures to reflect the same kind of trust for the american people. that's something to watch in the coming months as santos faces a swirling bout of accusations, not only in congress by the house ethics committee, but he's also being investigated in new york, and of course by federal authorities here and in brazil. >> julie tsirkin, i know you'll follow all of it for us. thank you for that. speaking of congressman santos, we're digging into reporting about allegations he came up with a scheme for credit card fraud years ago.

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today joe biden is looking for a reset with approval ratings stubbornly under water. he's returning to familiar places like union halls and familiar themes like populism. ahead of his near certain announcement of a reelection campaign. it's a delicate balancing act, moving away from some familiar progressive issues. let's discuss this with peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and an msnbc political

analyst. and julie sa washington price, a democratic strategist who served as deputy political director for vice president kamala harris. good to have both of you here. you've got great reporting. you write, quote, democrats have grown increasingly wary of hot button issues like crime and immigration. crime ranks second as their top concern behind economy in the latest reuters ipsos poll. immigration is fourth. given the importance of them, what's the biden calculation here? >> well, look what you've seen just in the last week, right? in the last week or so, president biden reversed his position on this d.c. crime bill that was seen as being soft on crime. he did not want to have to sign something or veto something, in other words, overturning him that would leave him on the position as being in any way soft on crime. it left a lot of democrats in the house upset because they had taken a vote in the other direction, and i think that shows you his desire to kind of get back on his traditional

position on criminal justice issues. you said yesterday at that speech in philadelphia, don't defund the police. they need more help, not less. that's a line he's used before. it's obviously one he's going to return to. on immigration, you're seeing harder policies in store, including a consideration of returning to detaining migrant families, as they cross the border illegally, something he stopped when he came into office, at this point, shows a sensitivity to how things are going at the border and might level democrats normal. he talked about social programs, progressive priorities, and also about closing the deficit or restricting the deficit. that's a topic while it has not been a high priority on the liberal side of things, it has not been much on the conservative side either. clearly putting him back in the political middle. >> what they want to paint him as on the right as this lefty radical, right, and you saw it on the sign from ron desantis today, woke policies. you're going to hear a lot of

that on the campaign trail. what do progressives make of what they're seeing with joe biden right now? >> well, president biden would have a lot to campaign on, going into the 2024 election cycle. the biden/harris administration has been one of the most successful administrations in modern history. you can take a look for the last two years, job growth has grown at a record number. they have lowered prescription drug costs, health care premiums and energy costs, and if you think about the historical bipartisan infrastructure law that went into effect, it's rebuilding roads and bridges across the country, providing clean drinking water for americans, and also the access of high speed internet has been a success for a lot of americans, in particular, rural americans. you're thinking about reaching across the aisle, the democrats in the biden administration has been able to pass a bipartisan gun safety legislation. all of these are accomplishments that the american people are happy about, and it's what the

biden administration is going to be able to coin to is as when on a campaign trail. >> you can certainly make the argument at this point, peter, that the president has sort of that center lane if that's what he's in, largely to himself. we don't see anybody certainly on the republican side who looks like they have a legitimate shot of getting through the primaries. where does that leave him, though, do you think in terms of exciting not just the base, but exciting the progressive base. >> yeah, i mean, i think, look, this is turning into so far anyway, a rematch of 2020. if that's the case, then the argument is going to be not just the accomplishments we were talking about here, but also basically the contrast. it's going to be biden versus trump. biden's approval numbers are not very good. close to where trump's were at the same point in his presidency. if it comes down to a choice, the people in the middle who don't like trump are going to accept biden, if they're not

happy with him. if he were not their first choice. it's the contrast the biden camp is talking about. they're talking about maga republicans, and applying it to desantis, their argument being anybody who wins that nomination will have to play to trumpism in the same way, and they can make the argument of sort of this commons, and extremism, and because progressives won't want donald trump or somebody like him. >> assuming there isn't anybody that comes out, a centrist candidate, a chris sununu. is it ron desantis or donald trump? >> look, you know, we're going to find that out. we're going to see that. one thing that desantis has that trump doesn't is he doesn't have the baggage of these investigations. he doesn't have the baggage of the sort of exhaustion factor that a lot of americans have with trump, and he's younger.

he's going to have the generational argument to make if he's going to be the nominee. he's hatch of biden's age. that gives anymore something to run on that makes a challenge for biden to counter if it's not trump. that doesn't mean he won't win. we don't know, he's going to be tested in the republican primary. he had a good strong win in florida, 19 points, can't take that away from them. he's never been tested on the national stage. we're going to see him go through a challenging state if he has to take on donald trump. >> we only have a minute left. what are you watching for as ron desantis looks like he's officially emerging as a candidate. >> his reception on the national stage, like we said, he has made his rounds around the court, but his message isn't going to resonate like it does in florida, and key battleground states he needs to win. it's going to be interesting how it plays out. >> we'll see him this afternoon. we'll be watching. peter baker we're going to see you later this hour.

meantime, it's official, lawyers for convicted murderer alec murdaugh have fired papers for a likely long shot appeal. the move continuing a legal saga that captivated the country, after a jury took less than three hours of finding murdaugh guilty of murdering his wife and son. what is the grounds for a possible appeal? >> you see the defense team signaling toward they're going to try to say the judge should not have let in all of that financial crimes evidence. the judge let it in because the prosecution said they needed it to prove motive. they fought truth and nail to keep it out, the defense team did. they lost every step of the way on that. that's what you're going to see in the eventual appeal. that's going to be the target. the problem is it's not at all clear that that's what got him convicted. we have seen the jurors, they've gone on the record.

it wasn't so much the financial crimes. he was caught red handed on tape, and lied about it. if they can't show that the financial crimes evidence would have made any difference, they're going to lose this appeal. >> so you've gotten to the heart of what my question was as i was looking at this appeal, which is this. does a judge look at should that have been let in or not? look at the legal decision. judge made. he entered financial evidence. or does he look at the fact that jurors have been out there doing interviews, sitting down with the folks at the "today" show and say, actually it was about the video and the time line sglt -- >> the analysis that gets done is looking at it a if it was a harmless error. if the judge was wrong and shouldn't have made that in, would it have made any difference to the actual result. would it have made a difference, then you can't over turn the conviction. >> barring appeal he's going to be in prison for the rest of his

life. he has not entered a plea if i'm correct on the financial crimes. >> 99 different crimes. >> will that move forward? >> it appears as though the prosecution wants to be aggressive going after him, even though he has two back-to-back life sentences. you might wonder why expend the resources. if there's a chance the murder conviction fell apart, you could see a scenario in which the prosecutor might want to have an approach and make sure they get a plea deal on the financial crimes. >> all of the things he said on the stand at the murder trial, all of it comes in. laura jarrett, thank you so much. is ukraine burning through weapons and ammo quicker than the u.s. can make them? the new cracks emerging in america's manufacturing might. plus, we'll go to israel where members of the military are joining the mass protests against the government's attempt to take over the courts. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. watching reports" only on msnbc subway keeps upping their game with the subway series. an all-star menu of delicious subs. like #6 the boss.

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>> i think we have, i think we have. and we still are with the great people of ukraine, providing security assistance, and many historic sanctions that cut off putin's ability to fund and to fight his war in ukraine, and make it harder for him. i remember you and i talking about launching a joint task force and whether or not we would be able to provide natural gas. it worked. it worked. and at the same time, we're driving new investments to create clean energy industries and jobs and make sure we have supply chains available to both of our continents. and the idea under our inflation reduction act and lies at the heart of the european industrial plan. hoping to talk a little bit about that today. and finally, i want to thank you

for your leadership on the framework which protected the hard-earned peace that exists on good friday, which i think has probably surprised a lot of europeans how strongly so many americans feel about that. madame president, the steps you have taken over the last few years have increased economic security, and i would argue our national security, so today i look forward to talking about all of that with you. >> thank you very much, mr. president. it's a pleasure to be here. it's an honor to be back again, and it's good to come back here because we are partners of the european union, and the united states are good friends, and this could be felt throughout the whole work that we're doing

together. indeed, you helped us enormously when we wanted to get rid of the russian fossil fuel. you helped us enormously by delivering more l and g, helped us through the energy crisis. we are partners, strongly supporting together ukraine that fights for freedom and independence. we're making russia pay for its atrocious war. we're strongly aligned, defending our values, and today i think we will also discuss the act. i think it's great there's such a massive investment in clean technologies now. indeed, we want to match it with the green deal plan. topics to discuss together. thank you very much. >> i look forward to doing that. thank you. >> what is known as a full spray, that is a group of journalists allowed to go into

the oval office. he did not answer any questions. you can hear the reporters trying to get something out of him or ursula. essentially part of their conversations have to do with the war in ukraine. we have new information from ukrainian officials who now are making a new argument for the long fight or bakhmut. that's that city we have talked a lot about over the last week, of little strategic importance but now say it's draining resources from russia ahead of their planned counter offensive. the truth is both sides are increasingly desperate for ammunition like artillery rounds. the biden administration is scrambling to push production and increase other rates, something "morning joe" talked about exclusively with former secretary of state hillary clinton, and ukraine's first lady, olena zelenska. >> we have to continue, and i would argue, increase the military support that we give to the ukrainians.

>> does that include f-16s? >> it includes air cover, long-range missiles. it includes much more defensive systems, and not just from us but from our nato allies and others, but they are on the front lines of freedom and we need to support that. >> first of all, i would like to thank you very much for the help that we have already received. it has been right to give us help. somebody perhaps thinks that it's not. it's out of place for a president's wife to ask for weapons, but i will ask for it, because it's our salvation. it's a salvation of people who are shelled by missiles, by iranian drones. it's salvation for the armed personnel on the front lines. they are defending their country. >> missy ryan is a national security reporter for "the washington post." you write about cracks in the u.s. manufacturing might.

how much of a challenge is it especially given where we are in this war, and why is it happening? >> basically, the need to get ukrainians the kind of weapons that they require to push back the russians, everything from artillery shells tonight vision goggles, to armored vehicles, and giant missile launchers has really revealed the brittleness of the american defense industry. the united states has given huge amounts of weapons to ukraine, but now they're facing a situation where they're hitting up against, you know, america's own defense needs and the arsenal requirements that we have, and so what we read about was fact that expert estimates show that it will take more than five years to replenish u.s. stocks of javelins, stingers, missiles, and the key artillery piece, which is the 155 shell,

155 millimeter shell, and so, you know, there are deep roots to this problem, it has to do with the downsizing of the american military in the post cold war era, 1990s and 2000s and has to do with the fact over 20 years i followed 9/11, they were following armed insurgents in the middle east and central asia, and these kind of major conventional needs weren't something that kind of were staring policy makers in the face, and now we're seeing just that, you know, there isn't really the search capacity in the american industrial base that we would like, and it's a problem that's facing europe. there was a lot of under investment in europe over many decades in the factories and the production lines that can quickly scale up production of these things. and it's important not only for ukraine, but also because, you know, you could hypothesize a scenario where the united states is facing a much larger direct conflict with russia or with

china, and in that situation, we might need a search production of different items. >> in the meantime, we see the death, the destruction continue. there was that particularly brutal series of attacks from russia yesterday. what's the latest on the ground there? >> hey, chris, they're still working to recover from yesterday's missile strikes. i was speaking earlier today to a kyiv city official where yesterday a higher sonic missile took out 40% of kyiv's capacity to heat. he said that they're working still to recover from that strike. he hopes the situation will be fully resolved in the coming days. meanwhile, fighting raging in particular in the eastern city of bakhmut earlier today here in dnipro, which is about 100 miles away. i was in a civilian hospital that's now being used to treat injured ukrainian soldiers, injured on the front lines in

bakhmut, and they had some harrowing accounts. i was speaking to one soldier who was lightly wounded three days ago. he told me that the streets of the city are absolutely inundated with russian fighters. he said at some points, the ukrainians were out numbered, in his estimate, 10-1. i asked him, how do they fight in the face of that kind of manpower. he said it's motivation. he's a father of two. he left his job as a construction company owner in kyiv shortly after the battle for kyiv and now feels that he's fighting for his homeland. he's absolutely determined. he's going back, he says to bakhmut today, and he says it's that kind of resilience, motivation that are seeing the ukrainians through this fight. that being said, the russian forces have been making gains in bakhmut, now claiming to control the eastern portion of that city. chris. >> it's extraordinary how that

determination has not waned. thank you so much for that reporting from dnipro. "morning joe" talked to first lady zelenska about the toll that this year of war is taking. let me play that. >> translator: i think that the war is an every day challenge, and everyone in ukraine is risking their life, even just by being inside the country. just now as we speak, the whole of ukraine is troubled by the video of the russian occupiers killing a ukrainian soldier for just saying glory to ukraine. every time i speak in the international arena, i finish my speeches with this phrase. it means that i also would have been a subject of their hatred, object of their hatred if they were to meet me. >> you know, when you hear her

story, when you hear what erin just said about visiting the hospital, i mean, it's so deeply moving and you can't help but admire them. there is softening reports from some republicans. you write about this as well. how difficult might it make things for joe biden as he tries to keep this alliance going and have the united states keep its major part in this alliance? >> yeah, well, it's going to be an increasing consideration for biden as he looks to support ukraine as he says as long as it takes, and there's certainly no sign of any peaceful resolution to the war. fortunately for biden, the leadership of both parties in both chambers are strongly in support of ukraine, and in fact, are pushing biden to give more weapons, to give f 16s, to move faster. but there is this loud, small minority, especially within the

house of representatives among republicans who are questioning america's need to provide this kind of really costly assistance at a time when, you know, obviously the united states has its own priorities and problems, but i think, you know, for right now he can continue the course. i think that, you know, it's not just the united states that has to worry about the longer term picture, however. there's divided public opinion in places like france, germany, italy, and so, you know, it's going to be a consideration for all of the nato countries as this war enters its second year. >> missy ryan, terrific reporting. we thank you for taking the time to talk to us today. and you can catch the rest of the exclusive interview with hillary clinton and the first lady of ukraine on "morning joe" this monday, 6:00 a.m. eastern only on msnbc. we've got breaking news now out of mexico. the attorney general there says six people have been arrested linked to the kidnapping and murder of american tourists in

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hush money case against his former boss. it comes as we're learning the case could be moving toward a conclusion and a possible indictment. cohen was asked about that new development, the d.a. inviting trump to testify before the grand jury in the case. >> i have to applaud for district attorney bragg to give donald the opportunity to come in and testify. knowing donald, he doesn't tell the truth. it's one thing to lie on your untruth social, it's another thing to turn around and lie before a grand jury. i don't want suspect that he's going to be coming. >> i want to bring back "the new york times" peter baker and paul butler, a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. paul, we should point out donald trump says he did absolutely nothing wrong. he's called this a fake case that's been rejected by prosecutors in the past, but as cohen said it is one thing to defend yourself on truth social, another to do it in court. how do you assess any legal problems that trump may have

here, and do you think there's any chance at all he goes before that grand jury? >> chris, there's no way that trump is going to appear before the grand jury if he listens to his lawyers, which is always a big if with the former president. prosecutors could ask trump whatever questions they had, and his lawyer could be present, but the lawyer wouldn't be allowed to address the grand jurors. remember, trump took the fifth about 450 times when he was deposed by the new york attorney general. that suggests how unlikely he is to appear before this grand jury. >> peter, politically speaking, we have seen in some polls that trump's support is softening somewhat, although still in almost every poll, he's still in the lead and in some of them, pretty significantly, but i wonder among people you're talking to, what they think an indictment on this or any of the other investigations against him, what they think that might

mean for him? >> well, it's really an x factor. nobody can say there's no history here that you can point to and say, ah-ha, this is like what happened with this president or that president. it's really uncharted territory. we've never had a former president of the united states indicted by a state, much less a federal authority. we're talking about two state prosecutions, the one in new york, potentially the one in georgia, and of course the feds are looking at the january 6th action and the issue of the classified documents. so it may not even stop with alvin bragg if he does decide to proceed with an indictment in the hush money case. does that hurt or help him? former president trump said he would absolutely not withdraw if he were indicted, he would in fact make the case that this was a continuation of the unfair persecution, the witch hunt, a lot of them agree that he has been unfairly pursued by democrats, and alvin bragg is a democrat. that may help boost his

popularity on some level with core voters. the argument that other people make is it may turn off people who like trump. they're tired of the whole thing, and feel like maybe it's time to move on to somebody else. that's the danger for trump. it exhausts even the people who like him a lot. >> we have talked a lot about this, paul, when you're deciding whether or not to indict someone, it's not supposed to be influenced by politics. i do wonder, given the enormity of what this would be for any of those folks who are doing these investigations if one person opens the door, they become the first person to indict a former president, a current presidential candidate, does it make it easier for the others? >> i think every case is different, and this would be a really interesting case for a historic first indictment of a former president. mainly because it's far from a slam dunk. paying hush money is not a crime in new york. prosecutors could charge trump

with a crime related to making a false business report but that's only a misdemeanor. they could charge a felony by using a complicated and untested legal theory but tald that would be a risky proposition. the jurisdictions where trump has criminal exposure, new york, georgia, the new york case has the lowest stakes. it's not mainly about trump's conduct as president, and even if trump were to be prosecuted and convicted, he would still be unlikely to get jail time. >> so i also want to ask you about a news story regarding congressman santos. it alleges he was part of a scheme to skin and clone atm and credit cards back in 2017. he has denied the allegations, in fact, as recently as this morning, and the man who made it has actually been arrested for

the same crimes. you know, i guess you could look at it two ways. that doesn't sound like a very credible witness. on the other hand, that doesn't mean something didn't happen here. what's your gut tell you on a case like this? >> it's almost like anyone who has criminal and ethics allegations against congressman santos should take a number, get in line and wait their turn. prosecutors tend to be skeptical of unsolicited allegations from a person like this informant who was basically a snitch with the baggage of a felony conviction, but prosecutors might take these allegations more seriously because of the level of detail, names, addresses, and dates of alleged crime, and this information could be relevant to the open questions about congressman santos' finances. he loaned his campaign $700,000, everybody though two years earlier he had an income of $55,000 and no alternates.

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with a post covid boost. here with all things oscar, nbc's joe fryer. what are we looking for on sunday? >> bottom line is "everything everywhere all at once" will be everything everywhere all at once. >> here's the thing, for people that are not movie deep aficionados. you've got a movie that makes a gajillion dollars, with tom cruise in it, top gun, and then you have this movie that made a fraction amount of that money. worldwide, didn't "top gun" like a billion and a half dollars. >> it did very well, yes. >> what does that tell us about the industry? it just really hasn't changed. what's popular isn't necessarily what the hollywood folks like. >> and that is sort of the dilemma they have always had. it wasn't that long ago that the oscars nominated five movies for best picture, and it was always

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