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attorney bragg for giving donald the opportunity to come in to tell his story. knowing donald as well as i do, understand that he doesn't tell the truth. it's one thing to turn around and to lie on your untruth social. it's another thing to turn around and lie before a grand jury. i don't suspect she's going to be coming. >> after decades of screwing over creditors and employees and lawyers and the american people, how rich would it be if an extramarital affair with a porn actress is what finally sinks donald trump? also tonight, leonard leo played a large role in pushing the courts to the far right. now, he thinks the rest of american society needs a hard right turn. but he has a fundamental misunderstanding of why the right is losing the culture wars. and tonight, state of disunion. how political powers being wielding in states with one-party control. in tennessee, republicans are using it like a club. and attacking the lgbtq community. but it's a much different story

in democratic controlled michigan. and we begin tonight with a saga of -- with the soggy of stormy daniels. a story that started a long time ago, in 2006, to be exact. it was the year adult film actress daniels, whose legal name is stephanie clifford, said she met donald trump at a celebrity golf tournament, and that the two allegedly began an affair. trump was married to melania by then. daniels was 27 years old at the time, and trump was 60. there had been whispers of the affair for a while. remember, trump was a real estate mogul and tabloid darling back then. but what was once gossipy tea became a problem, a huge problem, when trump the apprentice star became trump the american president. in 2018, the "wall street journal" reported that longtime trump fixer michael cohen had arranged a $130,000 payment before the 2016 election as part

of an agreement that precluded daniels from publicly discussing her sexual encounters with trump. hush payoffs were also used to silence former playboy model karen mcdougal, another one of trump's alleged miserouses. is it illegal to pay off an ex-girlfriend? does it mean you cannot be president? no, of course not. but daniels was paid during trump's presidential run. and just one month before election day. making the payments a campaign finance violation. which of course was a big problem too for michael cohen. according to the journal's sources, it was he who arranged the payment to daniels in october 2016 after her lawyer negotiated the nondisclosure agreement with cohen. cohen was given a three-year prison sentence after pleading guilty to crimes that included facilitating those payments, as well as other financial crimes. but according to accounts, trump himself was involved directly in each deal. with trump reportedly telling cohen to get it done. trump denies all this, of

course. a rebuttal that means nothing. especially given what cohen testified to before congress before entering prison. >> trump is a con man. he asked me to pay off an adult film star with whom he had an affair. this was days before the election that mr. trump was going to pay the $130,000. in the office with me was allen weisselberg, the chief financial officer of the trump organization. he acknowledged to allen that he was going to pay the $130,000 and that allen and i should go back to his office and figure out how to do it. >> michael cohen had gone from trump's fixer to trump's enemy. and stormy daniels may still be the one to take trump down. because last night was one of those blockbuster breaking news kind of nights that renew your faith in karma. "the new york times" reported

that the manhattan district attorney's office recently signaled to trump's lawyers that he could face criminal charges for his role in playing daniels to keep things under wraps. if those charges are made, it would be the first indictment of a former u.s. president. it's kind of bonkers when you think about it. how one of the earliest probes against trump is nearing its final stages but make no mistake, trump's attorneys are working hard to scrape the dirt off teflon don. late today, nbc news reported the attorneys representing trump in this case are meeting trump in florida to discuss an exit strategy. trump attorney told nbc news they have no plans on meeting with the manhattan d.a.'s office and insist trump is the victim of extortion. michael cohen made his 20th and final appearance with manhattan prosecutors. the seven-hour meeting was in preparation for his grand jury appearance, which will be monday at 2:00 p.m. joining me now is harry lipman, former deputy assistant attorney

general, senior legal affairs columnist for the los angeles times and host of the talking feds podcast along with nick ackerman, former u.s. district attorney for the southern district of new york and former assistant special watergate prosecutor. harry, here's the question i guess, the easiest question. because donald trump has used a lot of legal maneuvers to get out of a lot of things. he's gotten away with a lot over the course of his life. is there some way that his attorney could somehow create an exit strategy that would avoid prosecution? is it too late without going and testifying before this grand jury to somehow convince the grand jury or the prosecutor to stand down? >> even if he goes to testify, joy, it's too late. they have already made the decision, and it would just be a suicide mission where he would try. very few defendants would take that opportunity and donald trump would not be one of them. stranger things have happened but i'm confident in saying an

indictment is coming, and soon. i don't believe it when they say the trump lawyers won't try to talk. no chance trump goes in to testify. the trump lawyers may still try to meet to talk bragg out of it. that could take a week or two. otherwise, this and the other big signal, as you just reported, cohen testifying on monday, that's the final step. and then you give trump the chance. he won't take it. it is 100 times out of 100 a sign that an indictment is coming next. >> wow. okay, that is very definitive. nick ackerman, the only other time that anything close to this has happened obviously is richard nixon's attorney general spiro agnew, who resigned as a result of being indicted, i think it was tax related offenses. but that's the only other time. but that was a very different atmosphere. nixon was like a different version of trump. but you know, he didn't have a cult. so i mean, can you talk about sort of the political atmosphere

then and now and how you think -- how much would this explode the universe if this indictment happened, as it seems to me harry lipman said it's going to? >> i think it is. i think harry is absolutely correct that there will be an indictment here. i mean, if you compare this to watergate, don't forget, richard nixon was about to be impeached. he was impeached. he would have been removed by the senate. we basically held back. we didn't indict because of that. we basically deferred to the congress on impeachment process. but here, i think what's going to happen is going to be much more explosive politically. it's going to completely change the game because once trump is out -- been indicted, i don't care what he says about still running for president. being under an indictment is not

a positive resume builder. and you're going to find that other people who have been holding back, most notably vice president pence and mr. pompeo and others, are suddenly going to jump into the race because they're going to feel a lot more confident that they have a chance. because i think at that point, what u.s. congressmen are going to want to run for re-election in 2024 with the head of the ticket under indictment? i mean, it's not only unprecedented, but politically it's going to be disastrous for the rest of the ticket right down to dogcatcher. so that is going to make a big difference and i think the person who may benefit the most out of this is vice president pence. if you look at modern history, it's been the vice president who has gotten the nomination, whether it was eisenhower, nixon, johnson humphrey, reagan

bush. clinton gore. and of course, now president biden. so i think it's really going tomix up the entire political world once this happens. >> wow. and just to be clear, the olc type memo that says you can't indict a sitting president, if he then gets indicted at the state level, inside the doj, i'll ask both of you this question, how does the doj then look at it? there are all these other things that a lot of people would argue are more important. there's the january 6th case, harry, the case in georgia about interfeing with georgia's election. there's the financial crimes case you could still see tish james looking at in new york. some of these bigger cases, especially the jack smith investigation. as a former federal prosecutor, what happens with those cases if he's denited in the state of new york? >> first, all true. i do want to say to nick's

point, we should have our expectations a little bit tempered because a lot is going to happen after an indictment here. it will be months, maybe up to a year of just pretrial stuff. second, while that is the recent history, trump is certainly suggesting bring it on, and this will only inflame his supporters more. the short answer to what happens with smith and doj is nothing. they go on their same track and their road. there's no -- i think it maybe affects fulton county but i don't see it affecting doj, and an important point to note, not only does the olc memo not apply, neither of course is a pardon possible because it's a state offense. that magic kryptonite power is gone. >> let me stay with you for a second, harry. the things people have brought up as an impediment to this kind of a prosecution. number one, michael cohen, they're saying well, they'll try

to impeach his credibility. there were tax issues he was also convicted for, evading taxes on a couple million dollars in income and other things like that, including this campaign finance violation. but i would note that he's not been wrong yet. let me just play a quick montage. these are things michael cohen has said that have proved to be true. take a look. >> it was my experience that mr. trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes. such as trying to be listed amongst the wealthiest people in forbes, and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes. he is a racist. he is a con man. and he is a cheat. given my experience working for mr. trump, i fear that if he loses the election in 2020 that there will never be a peaceful transition of power. >> show me the lie.

he's been right, right, and right again. he's been unassailable as a wince before congress. everything he says has been true. you know, if you have people like me on the jury, i would be like, yeah, i believe him. do you think they could impeach him despite that? >> there will be things to say, but he won't be the first star witness with a criminal record. one of the most important things bragg has been trying to do over the last few months and figure out how to bolster his credibility. last week, we had hope hicks, we had kellyanne conway. they're connected at important junctures, as cohen has testified. i think that's what they're doing here, and bragg, before he brings the indictment, and he's decided to as concluded, he's got enough to bolster cohen's credibility. of course, they'll come after him at trial, but he won't be acting alone. not just him, paper record of the mischaracterization of the income, and kellyanne conway, hope hicks, maybe others to bolster important points.

as you say, he certainly hasn't been wrong in recent history. >> batting 1,000, i would have to say. the other piece is we do have this new piece of information that there may be more charges against weisselberg, who handled trump's money. and that maybe the idea of perhaps bringing more charges on him would be to pressure him, alvin bragg, to pressure weisselberg to cooperate. if that were to happen, that would be very bad news for trump, i'm assuming. >> i think what's going to happen here is we're all assuming this indictment that's about to come down is just going to relate to the business with stormy daniels. i don't think we should assume that. if they really want to corroborate michael cohen and really show the entire picture, which has come out in the course of the attorney general's investigation and the civil trial, where it's pretty much

shown donald trump has lied about everything in his records. i think what's going to happen here is they may combine more with this indictment. it may not just be donald trump. it may be weisselberg on this count. it also could be other activities that relate to the operation of the trump organization. if the d.a. is really smart, they'll cherry pick the two or three best lies they have got in the bank records, in the company records, and they'll use those as the basis for other violations so that they can put it all together and show a jury that what this guy has done is really corrupted his entire company, corrupted the businesses he's dealt with, and has lied to banks and others in order to get his way. including the tax authorities, which i think is another big part of this indictment. >> it's historic stuff. and it hasn't happened before. it's a huge story, and wow.

donald trump's luck might be running out. harry lipman and nick ackerman. thank you both very much. happy friday. don't miss reverend al sharpton's exclusive interview with alvin bragg on tomorrow's "politics nation" at 5:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next, inside the shadowy group that packed the supreme court with religious conservatives. "the reidout" continues after this. escribe it as pulsing electric shocks or sharp, stabbing pains. ♪♪ this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. a pain so intense, you could miss out on family time. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older, ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles.

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. if you want to understand how republicans think the left works, a hypothetical provided by conservative activist evan baer explains it perfectly. imagine a group of four people sitting at the harvard club for lunch in midtown manhattan. a billionaire hedge funder, a film producer, a harvard professor, and a "new york times" writer. the billionaire says, wouldn't it be cool if middle school kids had free access to sex change therapy, paid for by the federal government. well, the filmmaker says, i would love to do a documentary on that. it will be a major motion film. the harvard professor says, we can do studies on that to say it's absolutely biologically sound and safe. "the new york times" person says, i'll profile people who feel trapped in the wrong gender. after a single lunch, baer concluded, elite liberals can put different kind of capital together and go out into the world and basically wreck shop.

what? that's not how anything works. it's actually so unintentionally funny it's hard to believe this guy is serious. who does he think hangs out at the harvard club? there are far more josh hawleys and ted cruzs dining there than liberals and literally nobody is conspiring to hand out sex change therapy to children like halloween candy. that's just actually dumb. that's the republicans' problem in a nutshell. they do not get how actual things likivelution in society work, and that's why they're losing the culture wars. they literally just don't understand modern culture. just because they're losing embarrassingly does not mean they're not trying. enter leonard leo. we have talked about him on the show before. he was trump's judge whisperer from the right-wing federalist society. he's essentially the reason for the supreme court's right wing supermajority. and his latest venture is backing a group called the teneo network that aims to replicate what leo did to the courts in every aspect of life.

he told potential donors in a private video that he plans to crush liberal dominance on wall street, in silicon valley, and in books, schools, and sports, and hollywood. a federalist society for everything. this is how the right thinks they can take the culture back. as ridiculous as it sounds, they have a lot of money and a lot of republican heavy hitter onboard. joining me is propublica's andrea bernstein, one of the reporters who broke the story, along with torraye, host of masters of the game on the grillo, and my friend. thank you for being here. let me start with you, ms. bernstein. let me play a quick sound bite of leonard leo so people can kind of hear him talk. here he is. >> i spent close to 30 years if not more helping to build the conservative legal movement. and at some point or another, you know, i just said to myself, if this can work for law, why can't it work for lots of other areas of american culture and

american life where things are really messed up right now? wokism and the corporate environment, the educational environment. one-sided journalism. entertainment that's really corrupting our youth. >> i'm sorry. what makes that guy think that he can change the culture and sports and hollywood, et cetera? >> well, good evening, joy. great to be back with you. i think what we at propublica were interested with, is leonard leo has had enormous success as creating networks at the federalist society. he created pipelines of young lawyers who became judges. some of them went to the supreme court. others of them argue cases before the supreme court. and it has had remarkable success. he is, when we have done our reporting, the one person that people say is most responsible for the 6-3 supermajority in the

u.s. supreme court that is making all kinds of decisions. he also recently as we reported last summer was given control of $1.6 billion, which is the biggest political donation in u.s. history. and this is someone that needs to be taken seriously because he's someone who started 30 years ago with the idea that conservatives were shut out of the courts and very methodically worked to change that and has had great success. he's now backing this new venture, which has many, many influential members, u.s. senators, there are staffers to various state officials, there are powerful people in media, judges. and the idea is to create a pipeline for a conservative talent, as they see it, to feed into these networks and to gain power. and you know, they very much feel like they are losing the

culture wars, and they want to win the culture wars. i think if you look around the country, some of the causes they support are achieving great success, if you look, for example, at a package of legislation recently introduced in florida. so it's something that we sort of looked at and thought, this is something that deserves to be understood and taken seriously. >> and the thing is, i will point out, to bring you into this, i look at the group of people, evan baer who is the teneo cofounder who says we need to take back the culture from this left-wing elite. and he did -- he's the one who told the story about the harvard club. he graduated from princeton, yale, and harvard. the members of the group includes aides to ron desantis, j.d. vance, josh hawley. the people involved in it, josh hawley, stanford, yale. elise stefanik, harvard. j.d. vance, yale.

glenn youngkin, yale. ron desantis, harvard, yale. that is the elite. it strikes me that saying they're going to take back the world or the country from the woke elite, who do they mean? >> let's talk about one thing first off. the culture war is happening because the right doesn't want to talk about policy. they don't want to talk about the economy. they don't want to talk about the real things that americans need because they have no policies to address those things. so they talk about the culture war and get people excited about trans women going into bathrooms and black people taking your jobs, and immigrants breaking into your house, rather than having to talk about actual economic real serious political issues. the thing with the harvard club story that you brought up is it's actually, i believe that they would see the world that way because that is how they have constructed the world of alternate facts that they live

in. that people like charles koch are paying certain scientists to come up with phony studies that they are creating media figures like sean hannity, who go on television and say things that they know are not true. and so they construct this world view that a few million people in america actually believe. and the left does not work that way. we do not sit down at a table with media, harvard, hollywood, and go, let's come up with some nut ball idea that will own the right and make them so mad. that's so much of what they do is about owning the left. and making us angry, and creating ideas that distract from the actual issues like the economy and get us focused on, oh, my god, there's a child in alabama who goes to school saying they're a cat, and they have to give the kitty litter. i mean, the conversation they want is ridiculous. and this is part of it. >> the thing is, what strikes me

is that if i had a billion dollars, you know, i'm not sure that this is what they would do with it. it used to be think tanks on the right were like, let's focus on economic policies. this is what we should do about the deficit. this strikes me as all social, cultural tinkering they want to do, but the things that have been successful, to your point, have been things that only animate the same base that already votes republican. the people who care about who's in the bathroom are already voting republicans. the people who want to ban books bike black and lgbtq people are already voting republican. none of this is persuasive. the things they try to do to persuade is coming up with their own animated -- daily wire is coming up with their own. they think the cartoons are too liberal. they created something chip chilla, and they're like, that's going to rival the woke cartoons. it's like they don't understand the actual culture, but the things they do are only designed to appeal to their own base

already. who is it they think they're bringing over with this thing? >> well, i think that, you know, one of the things about creating a power network like this is just look at the u.s. supreme court. one of the sort of very hot topics that's coming up and has been recently decided in many cases is voting rights. if you restrict voting rights, you're just not necessarily talking about what the majority wants. you're talking about power. and i think that's why it's worth taking a group like this seriously, because what they want is to have people leading all kinds of institutions in american life. now, sort of all of culture is perhaps a bigger target than just the courts. but you know, here is leonard leo, someone who had success with the courts, really shaping them the way he wanted. so the idea that they're not to be taken seriously because they're sort of misapprehending

the left -- >> i'm not saying not take them seriously. i have to wrap, but i'm not saying don't take them seriously. i think what they're doing is doing it in an unserious way. the way they have taken the courts is get the same people to vote republican and vote for republicans who will then put in right wing justices. it's extremely dangerous. i'm saying it's interesting, not persuading. it's just getting the same people to vote for more republicans so they can take over more courts. it's an interesting thing. andrea bernstein, toure, thank you. coming up, who won the week is still ahead. first, tonight's state of disunion. i'll lay out a side by side illustration of what it really means to be living in a republican-led state versus a democrat-led state in 2023, because it's all about who you vote for and who's running your state, who is running your courts. we'll be right back. for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day.

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in tonight's state of disunion, i want to show you what one party control looks like in a red state and in a blue state. let's start in tennessee where the republican party controls the offices of governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and both chambers of the legislature. and let's zoom in on nashville, a blue oasis in a sea of red and the reigning bachelorette capital of the united states. ladies are flocking there in droves. one of thedrys that has benefitted from this

bachelorette boom includes the bars and restaurants that host drag shows. they're so popular that one of nashville's business owners testified before the state legislature that drag shows at his club had contributed more than $13 million to the state in the form of sales and liquor taxes. last week, governor bill lee decided tennessee would become the first state to ban drag shows, foregoing the big bucks they bring to state coffers. another sinister aspect of the law that is so vague it's not quite clear what falls under the jurisdiction of the ban which you could argue is the goal because it paralyzes business owners, performers, and others, because they aren't sure what would happen to them. this was passed alongside separate legislation that bans transgender minors in tennessee from receiver gender affirming care. now, it is weird for a party that screams about big government to use really, really big government to police their state. unsurprisingly, the overreach does not stop there.

the tennessee house just passed a bill that would allow county clerks and officials to deny marriage licenses based on their personal religious beliefs. which is an interesting development because i seem to remember a bunch of republicans including florida senator marco rubio assuring the american public that we didn't need a federal law to protect same-sex marriages because it was a waste of our time on a nonissue. he and both of tennessee's senators, bill haggerty and marsha blackburn, chose not to protect same-sex marriages when they had a chance. while tennessee republicans are busy taking things away from people, democrats in michigan are full steam ahead with a raft of legislation that is doing the opposite. democrats who control all three branches of government are getting things done. wednesday, they pressed ahead with repealing anti-union laws, expanding background checks for guns, enshrining protections for lgbtq people into law, and looking to repeal once and for all the state's 19th century era abortion ban that is

unenforceable but still on the books. michigan isn't the only one-party state in the union fighting back against maga brokism. california governor gavin newsom told walgreens his state would no longer being doing business with them or any company that cowers to extremists after walgreens announced they would stop selling abortion medications in states where republican attorney generals objected, including some states where abortion is still legal. this is nothing to scoff at. newsom is at the helm of the world's fourth largest economy. republican juany be presidents are leaning to exclusivity. see how they see picking on people is a winning strategy. t? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal?

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ron desantis, putting his war on woke front and center as he continues his unofficial 2024 presidential campaign launch. today in iowa, he's not formally running yet, but we all know he is. according to "the washington post," he's telling people privately he intends to. his tour today was to promote his poorly reviewed memoir. cruelty is his only position. >> i'm sick of elites imposing their vision on open borders on you and on us with them not having to face the consequences of it so we thought it was worth it to send 50 illegals to martha's vineyard. >> that was his biggest applause line. meanwhile, another republican governor who put an anti-lgbtq and anti-black policies at the center of his potential 2024 run, virginia' so-called moderate, glenn youngkin, tried to defend his anti-transgender

policies in a town hall last night. >> look at me. i am a transgender man. do you really think the girls in my high school would feel comfortable sharing a restroom with me? >> so first of all, thank you for, again, asking the question, being here tonight. and engaging in this important discussion. what's most important is that we try very hard to accommodate students. that's why i have said many, many times we just need extra bathrooms in schools. we need gender neutral bathrooms so people can use a bathroom they're in fact comfortable with. >> joining me now is adrienne and susan del percio. susan, my friend. >> i know. >> i am actually kind of amazed at what republican strategists, consultants, and base voters think is a good candidate.

i'm just being real. i get trump because he's a celebrity and they're like, he's on tv. ron desantis' personal is like nails on a chalkboard to me. he says woke 47 times in a sentence. wokism, woke mob, woke mafia, woke, woke, he keeps saying it over and over again. here's the polling. 56% in america says woke means to be informed, educated, and aware of social injustices. 51% say woke means being aware of social injustice. 72% support teaching the ongoing effects of slavery and racism in the united states. 76% oppose efforts by state governments to ban certain books in school classrooms and libraries. this doesn't even poll well. who is his base? >> people who -- >> other than tv commentators who seem to love him. >> it's people who need an us versus them fight, who are resentful. here's the thing, joy. the candidates that the republican base is putting up,

the candidates that they like are candidates that lose. these are losing platforms. so what i hear is the base saying, we don't care if we win. we're just -- we want someone who is going to be our voice because we have been in the minority so long, now there's someone to yell and scream for me. except you know what people in politics like donors and establishment people and people who run political groups like to do? they like to win. they like to win. and they know this is not the way you do it. >> you know, adrienne, i think that the way the sort of political media zeitgeist works is they say, donald trump is losing, therefore ron desantis is the new candidate and they don't analyze further. there is no difference between the two of them other than donald trump has a personality. and has some wit and has a smile on his face. this guy just seems like a

curmudgeonly anti-black and anti-lgbtq person, and the reason he won so overwhelmingly in florida is about 1.3 million people stayed home and didn't bother to vote. apathy put him in, not excitement. and somehow, people have decided that that means that will translate outside of florida where people just literally just are nonvoters. so give me your perspective here. will he get 2% of the african american vote or 3%? because african americans can see and have eyes and can hear. >> yeah. that's right. i think that, you know, you can say or use the word woke as a slur as much as you want to, i guess. but clearly, it does not play outside of the base that he is playing to. i mean, ron desantis has decided that the winning strategy for him is one that's as old as the

country, quite frankly, which is to pick a marginalized community, demonize them, in this case black people and the lgbtq community. and use that as a way to consolidate your base around a single enemy. youngkin did the same thing when he ran in 2021, rallying his base around crt and book banning and eliminating any subject matter that had anything to do with the black experience in america. and so that is what they decided is a winning strategy. the poll you just showed clearly says that that is not. that americans reject this kind of politics, and frankly, the last three electionthis does no. it certainly doesn't play with black people. so to be clear, right, there is no, as we continue to say, this is not a play to win black people. this is a play to mobilize the

base and maybe demoralize some black folks with the policies that we are seeing. both of these governors are implementing them. maybe demoralize some black folks. it's absolutely not about winning over black people. >> oh, absolutely. in florida, rhonda sanchez just arrested a bunch of black people and made public that he did it. that was to demoralize black people. it is interesting to me because, as you said susan del percio, the game and politics is posed to be to win, but even someone like glenn youngkin, this is somebody who comes from, like, hyper capitalist background. you have joe biden sitting on 300 plus thousand jobs created in the last month, sitting on an economy that is growing, 3.6% unemployment, another really good economic report for him this year, but now people on fox saying, you know what, we may not get the recession that they were hoping for. so he is sitting on an economy that is growing. he is pumping money into rural red areas to try to lure away

some white working class and brown and black and asian american working class voters all over the country. and the answer that republican politicians that are running for president seem to have is, attacking trans people, which younger voters under 30 means that you're going to lose them in a landslide. younger voters are not playing that game. if you're game is to attack trans people, what voters under 30 are you getting? you're going to lose even young white voters under 30 that way. >> you get the results of 2022, where we saw a tremendous amount of younger voters turn out to vote, actually a record number. the base right now, and i just want to go to desantis again for a minute because i don't think he's all of that. i agree with you, he's really just trump without the personality. but what's worse is that he has been so insulated during his four years as governor. he has not done a major news interview, other than with fox news or some local conservative

outlets. he hasn't been going through the hard questioning. and i think when he has to answer questions beyond define woke and what's your policy -- >> he won't. >> they're gonna come crashing down on his head because right now, you're absolutely right, joe biden, you may not even like all of his policies, but he is delivering for the american public. these guys are just trying to divide the american public. >> he's going to have something to run on. people may not be, not all democrats are thrilled he's going to run, adrianne, but he will have content around on. one would think, in a country with an epidemic of gun violence, child labor happening, we just found out that the governor of arkansas signed a bill to make it easier for companies in her state, and they've been busted already, meatpacking companies, she signed a bill to make that easier. i feel to understand why people vote for people like this. they do in these red states. but when you take that show on

the road, the rest of the country is horrified. >> yeah, you know, i just think that you have a bunch of candidates on the republican side who look back at donald trump's 2016 run and believe that that's just the path to victory. have a quite caught up to the reality. in the last three election cycles should tell you that none of this works. division and grievance and all of the buzzwords that you want to come up with, they just don't work. and they haven't quite caught up with that, but they fundamentally believe that all you have to do is be mean and hateful and organize an increasingly tiny base of people and somehow that will propel you to victory. >> it's a fox news debt strategy. just keep them there. but it's the same people. you need more people. supposed to be an edition.

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end of another week, which means it's time to play our favorite game, of, who won the week? back with me are adrianne shropshire and susan del percio. adrianne, amigo with you first. when the week? >> i'm gonna say the representatives stacey plaskett

one week for how she was battling inside the clown show that is the subcommittee on weaponizing the federal government. just swatting away all manner of foolishness, not allowing anyone to promote propaganda. >> yes. she did her thing. susan del percio, who won the week? >> i've been in former colleague, casey hunt. she was in labor for 13 minutes and delivered her baby with her husband on the bathroom floor before the paramedics got there. >> wow. we'll having had three humans 13-minute labor is my kind of labor. who won the week? tucker carlson. but not this week's tucker carlson. 2009 tucker carlson. here he is. >> if you create a news organization whose primary objective is not to deliver accurate news, you will fail. >> for once i agree with tucker. 2009 tiger one week