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investigating the stormy daniels payout and, how the realities a post-roe america are forcing private companies to take side in the battle over the bodil autonomy of half the populatio of this country and the stor of one company, that shows the wrong side then, the velshi banned book -able come to order with the celebrating of a young adult author, meg cabin. she is most famous for writing the princess diaries but she is widely known an appreciated for her funny, readable, women first stories. including today's feature, ready or not which addresses consenting sex among teenagers without ever resorting to shame or beer velshi, starts now and, good morning. it is saturday march 11th, i'm ali velshi

we begin this morning with the ongoing global ramifications a the trump presidency and the retribution he is vowing against those he views a personal enemies for challenging him, opposing him, or trying to hold him to account. during his second year a president, donald trum fulfilled a poorly informe campaign promise, an unilaterally withdrew th united states from the ira nuclear agreement. there it was a deal in which iran agreed to restrict it nuclear program in thi exchange for sanctions relief. trump pulled out, imposing debilitating economic sanction while bowing as he typically does, to negotiate a bette deal something he unsurprisingl failed to do okay, that's forward to today. iran is now russia's famou military ally. and it's inhumane war agains ukraine with the two nations establishing a full fledge partnership. including working together t try to establish a system to work around american and western economic sanctions trump also made it a focal

point to focus much of his foreign policy on fostering type personal relationship wit the kingdom of saudi arabia. particularly as crown prince mohammed bin salman. this one so far as to includ donald trump asked the sitting american president, publicly supporting the crown princes narrative i ground the grisl murder of the journalist and american citizen, job all coul show ski saudi arabia is also aidin russia financially through its influence on opec oil prices and other major focus of the former presidents foreig policy, china. a country against which he launched a trade war china's russia's biggest ally. even if not directly involve in the war in ukraine for th moment although, according to u.s officials, china maybe providing russia with no lethal military assistance and could be considering sending arms and ammunitions as well and, there is also china's creeping global influence. it's regional provocations tha force the spy balloon program. stay with, me because i am going to pull the string together to. moment yesterday in a vote o

2900 and 52 to 0, which donald trump is no doubt envious, o xi jinping was awarded a third five year term as the leader o china. also, yesterday in a major breakthrough with massive matt gratifications, this were an enemies, iran and saudi arabia agreed to reestablis diplomatic relations with on another following talks that were hosted and mediated b china. these are the repercussions of america first, another are failed twice impeached forme president's many failures. also on that list, promising peace in the middle east and more than, that publicly proclaiming that negotiating a deal between the israelis an palestinians would be simple and easy in fact, he made the situation much worse and we will hav much more on that coming up in the hour but there is another mor obvious trumpian failure getting himself reelected. and that particular failure le him to the big lie and a coup attempt and a whole series of scheme to over try to overturn th

results of the 2020 election and justice continues to pla out on that front. with multiple members of extremist groups and other involved in the january 6t insurrection facing charges an convictions. but, while those lower level players are being held t account, the man in whose name it was all done, whose words and actions lead directly to the january 6th attack on th united states capitol, donal trump, continues to evade lega and political accountability he remains at the top of the republican party he is the french writer for th gop's nomination for president in 2024. he just had light cpac and echoed the authoritarian leaders that he admires, telling the enthralled crowd quote i am your justice. i am your retribution. >> what an earth does that mean? however, now in our peers that donald trump could finally b held to account for at least one of his other man transgressions following a years-long investigation, into the stormy daniels hush money payments,

donald trump has been invite to testify before a grand jury this coming week in new york city you are wondering, what does invited mean while new york state law holds that potential defendants must be given an opportunity to appear before a grand jury before they are indicted and a invitation to appear it' typically viewed as the last step before a possible crimina indictment it is unclear if the forme president will take up tha invitation it appear however, nbc news has adjourne as learned that our chines representing trump are i florida right now for meetings with trump to discuss strategy one of the attorneys, jo second peanut, tells nbc new that they have no plans on meeting with the manhattan da' office trump has denied there was a affair with stormy daniels and donald trump clear claim that he is an extortion victim himself. of course, back in the rea world, well a criminal indictment does not necessaril imminently expected, it coul still be weeks away if it come at all trump, who announced another bid for reelection back in november, could become the first former president in th

united states history to b criminally indicted. donald trump could finally fac repercussions for his action while still remaining at the top of the republican party. for more on this, i am joine by the executive editor at the new yorker.com he's also notice i bce new contributor. he's the author of barbara mcquade, former attorney for michigan's eastern district. she is an msnbc legal analys and co-host of the sisters i law podcast. good morning, to both of you thank you for being with us. barbara, let's start with. the letter with the manhatta district attorney alvin bragg. always thought of as a reluctant pursuer of charges against donald trump now issuing this invitation. tell us about the legality i the politics of this >> well, i think that we may have different insights abou how bad. here he wasn't ready to file charges back with mark pomrenz thought he should be ready

but maybe that he wanted t continue to investigate th evidence and short the case so that he believed it was read to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and prosecutors disagree from time to time about th level of evidence that i sufficient but now we have this reporting that donald trump has been invited to appear before the grand jury in new york, that is typically the last step that occur before and indictment is filed and, i will tell you i can conclude two things from that's the fact that they ar inviting donald trump to testify suggests to me tha they are very serious. you would not go to the troubl of inviting them to testify if you believed that the evidence didn't point towards a indictment if they were simply going to decline prosecution, and there would be no need to take thi final step and the other conclusion i think we can draw is that an indictment is very near. and that is because this i typically the last step that you would want to take in case before you would want t question the target of a investigation. you would want to have gathere all the other information an talk to all the other witnesse that you can be as informed as

you can be when you question that person. so, it says to me the charge are very likely and that the are very likely soon >> david, of all of the things that people who are frustrated with donald trump think that h may be responsible for and wha i'm held to account for, thi one sort of falls into distant memory, right? the stormy daniels payment it is, like this doesn't fee like the most egregious thin donald trump, some people, think has done what do you think th implications are if there is a charge forthcoming or do you think that this is just sort of another brick i the wall >> i think that he is going to be charged the other news is that michael cohen, its former lawyer, is gonna testify monday to th joint grandeur he was about and paying this hush money to stormy daniels it is a step forward for s many americans who are frustrated with trump not bein held accountable and, barbecued have more in. this but this is a novel prosecution it is essentiall saying that a contribution i'm sorry, a novel prosecution this is a essentially this hus

money payment was contribution to his campaign that is never been argue before in new york state as fa as i know. the lower charge, which they have very strong evidence of is falsifying business records essentially, this hush money payment on trump's busines record was listed as a retaine to michael cohen when he pai michael cohen the money that then went to stormy daniels. the problem with a convictio on that charges that it is a misdemeanor. it is less than a year i prison so, it is a very different situation around brag. it is, this will not end donal trump's run for the presidency even if he is convicted. he can run for the presidency. as you, mentioned at cpac he was asked if he would drop out if he were indicted, and h said absolutely not. being indicted he thinks wil help him politically >> barbara, i want to ask yo about something that donal trump said in his speech i cpac where he said, i am you justice. i am your retribution. i'm speaking to ruth ben-ghiat of nyu last night who said tha

mussolini got elected on the idea that i am your avenger. it is a strange thing fo someone who is running for president to say not i do this differently, are i'd be greater than democrats, but i am your justice and i am your retribution that got me a little worried >> yeah, this is right out o the authoritarian playbook ali. it is this idea that i a stoking grievance an resentment and i embody that grievance and resentment and, so any attack against m is really an attack against. you if you look at some of the rhetoric of donald trump, he says this all the. time he puts it in tweets. they are not really coming after me i am just in the way they are really coming after you. and so i imagine that as david just said, if there is a indictment, donald trump wil try to turn that into hi favor. and try to show it how this is just a way that the elites are trying to stop you, ou populist movement, and so. i imagine that in some ways he will relish the idea

not only in new york, bu possibly already in georgia, florida, washington d.c. it will be quite a show i thin in 2024. >> david, let's talk about the world for a moment i know you follow these things closely. donald trump told sean hannity this week that if he had bee in charge, he would have mad negotiated a deal with ukraine in which he would've probabl given russia some russia -speaking areas of ukraine w would've avoided a war entirely we have a situation in which saudi arabia and iran ar reestablishing diplomati relations. america was not at the table for. that we have got an explodin situation between the israelis and palestinians we have got a recalcitrant china. and all of this stems back t things that were done badl during the trump administration >> absolutely. look donald trump sounds like and authoritarian. his policies align in th united states with authoritarians and there is an enormous historic struggle going on right now between democracy an

authoritarianism and is going on inside thi country as well. the only hope i think is tha if donald trump is defeate politically. he fared very poorly in th midterm elections. either put the republica establishment is turning o him. the reality is that th republican base still supports him. and i think they are being use by him these lies about how his strength, and he is gonna help defend the country your intro was correct his policies were disastrous and helped authoritarian around the world the stakes now are, what we've become a and authoritarian country. >> barbara, i want to ask yo about the page that american are waiting for and that i some kind of indictment in the state of georgia about the actual election interference do you have any sense of where that is and when we might know more about that? >> yes i know fani willis, th prosecutor, there said several weeks ago that her chargin decision is imminent i think most of us think of, eminent it seems like somethin a little bit faster than that.

but there is a differenc between how prosecutors spea about what images. i think one of the things that she has to wait for is the convening of a grand jury an how georgia has that uniqu situation where they have go this special grand jury that can recommend charges. but it requires a regular gran jury to actually file th charges. so they will be some time. but i think based on what we heard from the grand jury or person who showed that the recommended charges agains more than a dozen people, it seems quite likely that we wil see indictments, at least as t some of those people and that i think we will see i by the end of this month whe there is a grand jury that sets they don't have to re-hear all of this testimony, they can se a summary of the testimony so imagine once fani willi gets in front that grandeur, she converted that this case i a matter of days >> it is so great to see bot of you thank you for being with us, this morning david rosy executive editor for news at the new yorker.com the author of indeed, the fbi, the cia, and the truth about

america's deep state barbara mcquade is a forme united states attorney in th state of michigan. and a quick programming note later this evening o politicsnation, my friend al sharpton will be speakin one-on-one with manhattan' district attorney, alvin bragg he is the one who issued tha invitation to donald trump t testify before the grand jur that is investigating th stormy daniels payout. politicsnation airs tonight, 5 pm eastern, only on msnbc. all, right coming. up at the top of the hour i am joined by congressman benn thompson he is a former chair of th historic january six committee he is a ranking member of th homeland security committee. plus, donald trump has its son sights set on returning to the white house. that means he is brushing up o fiscal policy. just kidding he is refreshing his list of witless in salting nicknames for his rivals the self reclaimed very stable genius, is considering a coupl of real winners for florid governor ron desantis includin quote, tiny d, and ron sanctimonious. which he tried and didn't work so well. for his, part desantis has formally declared he is runnin

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says he is officially runnin for the republican nominatio for president. not yet anyway but the signs are that he will run. in addition to lighting himsel on donald trump's mean nicknam list, there's new reportin from the washington post tha desantis has already indicated to people in private that he intends to run plus, he's making multiple stops in iowa. yesterday he was there it is the first state in the nation to hold a republica caucus and although this desantis was officially there to promote hi book, he delivered what sounde a lot like a stump speech like previewing likel

lines of attack against donald trump joe biden. he also played all the current right-wing hits, attacking right-wing hits and i education, gender identity. and he took particular aim a the wave of osha racial justic protests the country has see over the last few years. highlighting the chickahomin an edgy protesting loss that h signed in florida. >> so we have legislation in florida, if you ride >> all right, i am going to as p.j. my director just to put that text in there, because it is important to read what ro desantis said. so i just want to read to yo what ron desantis was saying right there. i don't know why we couldn't hear that. but he said, we've got legislation in florida if you write, if you lose, i you engage in mob violence, yo are not getting a slap on th wrist. you are getting inside a jai cell we are going to hold you

accountable. i have got to confess, tha anti riot legislation that i signed earned a public rebuk from the united nations, which i wear as a badge of honor that is what ron desantis said in his speech. nbc's dasha burns is in de moines iowa where the governor wrapped his iowa tour. dasha, my friend, good to se you. how has ron desantis bee received >> well, i will tell you this, ali. yesterday he held events i davin points and des moines. this was friday morning in friday afternoon and he did have a full house i both locations it is an early indication, perhaps, that at the very leas voters are interested in desantis here in the hawkeye state. the question is, will that curiosity actually translate t the caucuses which are going t be especially critical thi time around given we are expecting a pretty wide fiel on the gop in the gop primary you said it there, his speeche

yesterday were very much stump style. he has been using his pick ver much as a platform to get hi message of the playboo basically he has been using policies in florida. one of the big things he has been focusing on is his covi response he has been touting how well florida did. he's been driving the federa response which my colleague john alle smartly pointed out, tha attack on fauci and on the federal response to th pandemic, kind of has th effect of hitting both trump and biden without actually calling out either one of them by name. what i talk to voters at the sevens, look, you know iowa. this is a state that reall prizes retail politics they want to handshakes. they want direct answers they want to come by the pizza shops, the diners, the coffe shops. and folks aren't really read to hitch their wagons just anyone yet take a listen to some of our conversations. >> are you all still waiting t

see and hear from othe candidates, or do you thin this is your guy >> no, i want to see all of th candidates >> i would say he is one of th top ones >> he is the top right now >> and what about for? you >> i'm impressed with hi today, but there are mor candidates that will be coming out of the woodwork, i am. sure and, in iowa we are blessed to be able to meet all of the candidates. and that is what we do >> desantis appeared with iowa governor kim reynolds and fireside chat. so, in that context he got a little bit looser. we got to see him in a slightl different context than the governor behind the podium but he hasn't yet made thi kind of retail stops it will be interesting to se how he approaches campaignin here in iowa in the coming months, ali. >> tasha, good to see. you i always enjoy tha beautiful city of des moines iowa although, it looks to tackle right now. we will talk to you soon tasha burns for us, in des moines iowa. coming up, next. not too big to fail. yesterday saw the second

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washing to mutual bank, go bought when it went out of business silicon valley bank has no been bought by anyone. that defies a silicon valley bank of happened in the span o about 48 hours how did it happen? how did happen so? quickly let me tell you. earlier this week, svb let's call it, took a big loss whe it sold bombs that it had held that were not earning the bank enough yield or interest because of constantly rising consistently rising federa interest rates so, in doing that th bank took a massive loss almost two billion dollars and decided to raise money t offset that loss by selling it own shares in order to strengthen its balance sheet that is an unusual move that alarms some investors wh perceive that as the ban struggling many customers got worried a they saw the bank shares falling. they quickly withdrew thei money. in order to survive the run an its deposits, the bank o thursday trying to sell itself and allow a bigger banks to tr to take over but by friday morning, nobod bid. this hyper cautious behavior from companies and customers

alike who had their mone practice svb, is a major cause for the bank going under according to press release from federal regulators, now that svb has shut down, th federal deposit insuranc corporation, the fdic, has bee named as the receiver of all the money that the ban currently has. internet, the fdic has created the deposit insurance national bank of santa clara which no holds the insured deposits fro sbp. pay close attention to tha word ensure the fdic insures deposits up t $250,000 so, customers who bank with si b are guaranteed up to tha amount of money per account. but as you can imagine, give who the bank's clientele is, many of them probably had much more than $250,000 in thei accounts many of these where business accounts the fdic says that if customer had more than tha amount of money in their account, they would receiv

vouchers stating that they are entitled to that amount of money if and when that money ever surfaces. that is a bit of an f righ now. it all depends on the amount o money regulators can get onc they sell silicon valley banks remaining assets or if another bank takes ownership of them the fdic has confirmed ensurin depositors will have access to difference here in the unite states, by monday. svb's branch offices will also reopen at that time. they will be under control a the regulator. so far, we know of no official buyer for the bank but our partner sky news i reporting this morning that th bank of london is considering rescue bid for the british arm of silicon valley bank the immediate concern at the public falls of the start-up company has been relying and a phoebe, to hold millions o dollars for them who now may not be able to access funds to even cover their bills or thei payroll. and only time will tell what kind of ramifications th failure of this bank will have from the banking industry at

large. joining me now is someone wh knows the effects of ban closures very well, she leber. she is the former chair of the federal department's insurance corporation, the fdic. she is also founding directo of volker reliance and defending chair of the systemi risk council she is the author of multipl books, including bull by the horns, fighting to save main street from wall street. and wall street from itself. and, she, let you and i used t talk a lot i sort of found it a good thin that we don't talk as much a we used to, because that means that banks aren't failing al the time but this is something that mad me think of you. you used to go through this on a very regular basis i am curious as to what ha been going through your mind i the last 24 hours or so. >> yeah, well this is an old fashioned bank around and, thi bank seem to have a reasonable plan to stabilize itself it's depositors panicked and almost all of its deposits wer uninsured. so, insured deposits generally do not run people have confidence i

the fdic they don't worry about their insured money. but an inch or deposits ca run. and most of this was from pretty sophisticated institutional investors, venture capitalists, start-ups as you mentioned so, that is what i find so astonishing. that there is a sort o mentality from sophisticated individuals to take this money out. you mentioned my books i also read children's books and i think maybe i should write one about banking fo venture capitalist because maybe they didn' understand the mechanics of ho banks work they come and shake out on the money at, once they get a forc the bank to close. anyway, even if it may otherwise be solvent >> and that is exactly wha happened yesterday by midday yesterday, so many people were taking their money out of the bank, that th federal regulators, your successors had to step in an say, we just have to stop this the bank is going to fail, but everybody is going to just wait you will get your insured mone by monday. >> that's. right >> what now happens with the rest of? it i would assume that i

another bank buys this bank, they can make everybody -- >> right so, they will immediatel provide access to the insure deposits those have been separated in something called the denbigh, deposit insurance national bank everything else, the uninsured deposits and all the assets, investments, the bonds irreverent you earlier wil stay back in the receivership. i assume the fdic will try t sell that in whole or in par to interested bidders. and that would be the optica result you could sell the whole thing that would ensure more continuous operations about th deposits as well and owns th assets to extend loans e cetera a new owner can just take care of all that and manage it. if they can't do that, the will have to liquidate it whic could be more costly so, it is to be determined i assume the fdic is working very hard right now. trying to figure with this assets are worth once they do you, this nex week they promise that the will pay some dividend to th

uninsured depositors so the uninsured depositor will get some cash next week we don't know how much tha will be yet. it will depend on the value of those assets and what the ft thinks they can recover. but, yeah, it is a difficult situation. it was a rush figure because o this run that it is makes it harder for the fdic to try to continu operations so people used to use the bank can continue to have access to it services >> when we talk about the stays in 2008 when you would, it feels to me ever friday probably wasn't that often >> a lot, yes. >> a 4:00 there would be a announcement from you and your group and treasury that a bank had closed that bank had been bought. and monday morning, washington mutual opens up a chas whatever the case may have been why did that deal not get made because silicon valley ban actually wasn't, it wasn't broken there was something very particular that went on >> it wasn't broken, you're right. that is the sad thing about. this i don't know. i can assume, we would do that but we would usually have some

weeks of time. we would have a projecte failure with us, which was confidential but we would have generall several weeks of time to go out, put together a bid list, let the potential purchasers committed to do diligence. and then have an orderly what we call the purchase of the sanction when the bank actually failed. when it is russia like this, from a bank run, they closed the compare because comparison we have is in the bad bag. during the great financial crisis when there was a bank running some public some statements that probably shoul have made and deposits ran out of the bank. we had to close it before we found a buyer. and that turned out to be very expensive failure a bank loses franchise value the longer it stays in receivership, it loses franchise value. so you always want to try to get it solved before it fail if possible. but because of the run, the ac didn't have a chance to do tha in the same. distance >> should folks i other banks we wear it right now? >> no. i don't think so

certainly if you are insured he should not worry at all the fdic is has a perfec record of protecting insured deposits if your count balances blu generally thousand, the vast majority of households tha will be the case, you are. fine banks that have very larg reliance on uninsured deposits and then the inability to rais cash quickly if there ar redemption requests, i think those are the ones that need t be careful but i don't see a widespread problem at this point. i hope not i am always cautiously, sally, when i say that. because as you remember during the great financial crisis there was similar earl statements that it was not a problem. unfortunately i was not at one of the people he said that but, when interest rates ris it creates instability my friend, an interim mentor apollo gore was very clear critical of inflation targetin because he projected a perio of monetary policy that woul inflate financial assets inflate the value of stocks an bonds. and then when interest rates have to go up, to figh inflation, the value of thos

assets go down i don't know about you, i lost about 20% of my 401k last year so there is this correctio mechanism that can hav instability revocations for th financial systems. so, i think and hope the regulators on top of it. there's a lot of them on capitol hill now the banking system but i'm still a little wary. i think we can do more >> and you write kids books, i think that is one of you shoulder if you do right up and how thi esteemed works, that would b fantastic. great to see you again, sheila thank you for being with us. >> nice seeing you, ali. >> she liberally it former director of the fdic she is an author of multiple books including money tales, which is a children's book series that helps kids learn about early lessons abou finance. and apparently a few of us nee to wear this early lesson abou finance as well. all right, as loyal msnb velshi viewers know, i recentl spent several weeks in ukraine covering the anniversary o russia's full-fledged in invasion ukraine is rebounding afte russia launched a major missil barrage on cities across the country. far from the front, includin

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aaron, good afternoon to you the east, the british ministry of defense as that forces from russia's wagner group, which i a private military organization, have taken control of most o the eastern part of bakhmut. they are being held back somewhat by ukrainian units. another downtown bakhmut is on the western side the river s they have got that but even the ukrainians ar using language to suggest that bakh close to falling. >> we are watching, ali, one o the bed bloodiest battles of this war so far. essentially, according tha british ministry of defens statement, russian forces no occupy the eastern section o the city ukrainian forces have retreate over a river that cuts the cit in half. a creating what the britis ministry of defense is calling a kill zone as it has blown up the bridges. so it is very difficult for th russian forces to get from the

east to the western part of th city i was just speaking to a spokesperson for the ukrainian ministry of defense and he was telling me that he believes th wagner fighters are now bein reinforced by regular russia personnel. and that is potentiall significant considering ou what i was hearing in hospital earlier this week where i am now in denis brow tomorrow is 100 miles away fro bakhmut. nevertheless, they are treatin wounded fighters from th frontline. i'm speaking to a man who wa lightly wounded. he was telling me that ukrainian forces wer outnumbered in bakhmut by th russians tend to one but well he said i russians at the manpower, he said that ukrainians have th motivation and the will. he said this is our land and w are going to defend it now, the big question of cours is why are both sides fighting so fiercely for a town that ha been deemed to be a very littl military value the ukrainian leaders ar

adamant that they are doubling down on the city they are not retreating becaus they see this as an opportunit to exhaust those elite wagne forces, those elite russia forces ahead of their plan counteroffensive that is expected in the spring ali? >> erin, stay safe, my friend. good to see you. nbc news correspondent eri mclaughlin, live in dnipro ukraine. up next, we will head west fro ukraine to the middle east where tensions between the israel aisnd palestinian appear to be reaching breaking point breaking point it's fine. before advil. advil, dual action bites, pain, two ways. advil targets pain at the source. acetaminophen blocks, pain signals, advil, dual action. acetaminophen blocks, pain signals, meet a future mom, a first-time mom and a seasoned pro. this mom's one step closer to their new mini-van! yeah, you'll get used to it. this mom's depositing money with tools on-hand. cha ching. and this mom, well, she's setting an appointment here, so her son can get set up there

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she has really recent months a prime minister benjami netanyahu, who's even more far-right government than hi last, one confronts one of the biggest domestic crises in the country's history whil discontent continues to swel in israeli occupied palestine. mass protests in israel are no in their tense week, with tens of thousands of israel

citizens protesting, taking to the streets to protest a government proposal to restric the judiciaries independents israel's new government, widel considered to be the mos extreme in the entire histor of israel, wants the power t override supreme court decisions while also controlling the committe responsible for appointing judges the new york times has calle the standoff, quote, one of th most serious domestic crises since israel's founding in 1948 morning that it could even lea to a civil war opponents of the judicia reform argue that it amounts t an authoritarian rule by majority that would limi minority rights. including those of palestinian living in the occupied territories. who at least have a source o legal recourse under israeli supreme court, albeit a rare one. at the same time, israel defense court forces announced recently that would bolste forces in the west bank with a additional battalion as part o what they call and anti-terror offensive. but some fear that this is onl

going to lead to increases i violent confrontation betwee palestinians and israeli forces as well as really rates ar nothing new in the occupie territories, the deadl violence stemming from the along with the frequency o attacks by settlers, most of whom are deemed by the international community to b living on confiscated an occupied palestinian lan illegally, has surged. in the first team of the 2023, israeli forces and sailors hav killed over 60 palestinians. that is an average of more tha one per day. according to the israeli human human rights group, that's ellen. meanwhile, armed resistance to the occupation is growing as new israeli settlement continue to crop up on wha palestinians consider thei land international law says, country and its people canno displaced populations an resettle others on land that i occupied most of the world, with notable exceptions of israel i the united states, agree wit that legal theory. and some palestinians are also growing frustrated with th palestinian authority, which i

widely seen as corrupt and unpopular. according to the washingto post, israel's government ha vowed to legalize dozens o illegally built outpost an advance formal annexation of parts of the west bank rendering moot any discussio of a palestinian state in th near future. and adding fuel to the fire, israel's national security minister reportedly ordere israeli police in jerusalem to continue carrying ou demolitions of palestinian homes, during the upcoming muslim holy month of ramadan that is according to the israeli public broadcaster commenting on escalating tensions, the cia director bil burns recently returned from a trip to israel in the west ban warning that the region appear to be on the brink of a thir intifada after the break, we will g into this with the enemy tombs former legal adveris to standing by 's daylight saving time. what's the big deal? gasp! what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal?

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unrest in israeli occupied wes bank, i'm joined by diana -- a former adviser for the palestinian -- former legal adviser to th far-right president who worked for legal advice on pinochet tween israel and palestinian organizations. diana, good afternoon to you thank you for being with us. there are a lot of issues goin on chaos is a word to describ what is going on in the region which you live let's start with the israeli side israel's new cabinet contain

several ultra orthodox right-wing officials who bac illegal settlement construction, including the supporters of radical rabbi branded terrorist by the united states who was assassinated in 1990 according to the washingto post, i'm gonna quote from them top officials including tama ben-gvir a far-right provocateur from the religious scientists movement who live in the - -- near hebron. where residents have arreste assaulted palestinians for decades. a leader in the settlement movement bill to a legal caree defending jewish extremists wh are accused of terrorism and hate crimes. and. quote that is a quote in the washington post. he is a minister right now >> yes, absolutely ali. i, thanks for having me. yes, it is not just bendik fears. it is the entire government. with this government has sai is that they put first and foremost, and in fact it i their only platform, to try to build and expand settlements

into tactful palestinians. they don't have any othe agenda other than to make life very difficult continue the ethnic cleansin process. and to make sure that netanyah was forever to stay in power so, with a minister like bendi appear in place or somebod likes motor to just last wee said that an entire palestinia town should be wiped off the map after settlers torched it, this is what it is like to b living as a palestinian in thi country. to always be afraid that at an moment in time, they will ge rid of you they will ethnically cleanse you, or they will kill you >> let's talk about this tow you are talking about. the palestinian for authorit itself is suffering from a pervasive credibility problem. you and i have talked abou this over the years. according to coolio's khaki, who is the director of the palestinian center for polic and survey who spoke to the ne yorker, i won hundreds of hi really stood what you saw, the talk towards the west bank tow of war two weeks ago there was no palestinian authority president to be seen

despite that being an area tha was under control the pa they write in the new yorker the palestinian police shoul have immediately come to the assistant to the palestinians, who are in that area instead, they abandoned th town this is just one example durin the past decade there have bee hundreds, if not thousands o cases where settlers hav attacked palestinians in towns that are supposed to b protected by the palestinian police what is going on in that situation? >> you know, it is a reall excellent question, ali. the big problem is that th palestinian authority wa established simply to be abl to be an arm of israel's military occupation. and when we see that settler are attacking, the palestinian authority does nothing when we see that israel is attacking, the palestinian authority does nothing moreover, we also see that sometimes it is the palestinia authority at self that i carrying out repressive acts and imprisoning people so, for palestinians there i absolutely nobody who is protecting us.

not from the army, not from th settlers, and not even our own government and this is why palestinians are so vulnerable. because we are not only living under israeli military rule, but there is nobody here t protect us >> what is the fate of the thing that every american talk about, and that is a two state solution people who don't even read muc into the say, widely state support a two state solution art ministration says it supports a two state solution. increasingly there are very fe people in israel and palestine who even support a two-state solution anymore >> you know, ali, i think th problem is that it i impossible to have his two state solution you can't have two states when there are three quarters of million sellers that are livin on approximately 60% of th west bank land there's never been an israel government that has taken th decision to dismantle, t de-colonists, to bring the sellers back but instead, each and ever israeli government has taken the decision to build an expand more settlements. this particular government has

not only taken that decision t build and expand mor settlements, but they say it i their absolute right and we saw within the first 48 hours of the government coming forward, that they announced that they are going to build more settlements the legalized nine - and they have already announce thousands of new housing units for settlers so, the two state solution i only possible if there is political decision to take the settlers out of the west bank. but as it stands, israel doesn't want to do it and th united states continues to d absolutely nothing instead, it backs the settlers >> you are an unusua situation. you are a minority in israel a a palestinian, you are also an israeli citizen. some people have pointed out that the pro democracy protest in israel have cure -- they are anti government, bu they have left that the issu of palestinian rights. tell me a little about that. >> yes, absolutely i know, if you look at the current