build and expand mor settlements, but they say it i their absolute right and we saw within the first 48 hours of the government coming forward, that they announced that they are going to build more settlements the legalized nine - and they have already announce thousands of new housing units for settlers so, the two state solution i only possible if there is political decision to take the settlers out of the west bank. but as it stands, israel doesn't want to do it and th united states continues to d absolutely nothing instead, it backs the settlers >> you are an unusua situation. you are a minority in israel a a palestinian, you are also an israeli citizen. some people have pointed out that the pro democracy protest in israel have cure -- they are anti government, bu they have left that the issu of palestinian rights. tell me a little about that. >> yes, absolutely i know, if you look at the current composition of who i

going out to these protests, it's a mix, but the vast majority are people who ar carrying israeli flags these are the vast majority, still support the israel military occupation, and whe the simple issue of raisin israeli apartheid is raised, they keep telling palestinians not to raise that issue. so, on the one hand, they ar asking for democracy on the other hand, they don' see how for palestinians, this has been a dictatorship an will continue to be dictatorship, because that i what it is to live under israeli military rule. it means that you don't have the right to choose your own governments, to be able to decide your own future but instead, you are living unde the thumb of another government so, even if you look at th current composition of thi government, out of the - best set - out of the 120 members of th parliament, 110 of them suppor the occupation it's only ten, and those ten happen to be arab, that don' support the occupation

so, only those ten support you will write for palestinians. so, all of this pro democrac movements is simply a movement to make sure that they are not the ones who are affected by israel's authoritarian rule, b israel's dictatorship. they don't care if it impact palestinians >> the anna, thank you for taking time with us. i know you're always busy an underway sometime, you hav stop in your car to talk to us -- it's a former adviser to the palestinian liberation organization she's a former legal adviser t the palestinian president. straight ahead, the former chair of the house come januar six committee, congressman benny thompson the mississippi joins me to talk about news of a potential crime, crimina indictment, for the former president of the united states in the stormy daniels hush money scandal and why so far there has not been a crimina indictment sending from hi committee's historic work. another hour of velshi begin right now. >> good morning. it saturday, marcy and love, and i'm ali velshi we begin this morning with the ongoing global ramifications o

the trump presidency that retribution that he is bowing against those who are possessed personal enemies challenging, him opposing him, or trying to hold him to account. during his second year a president, donald trum fulfilled a poorly informe campaign promise and unilaterally withdrew th united states from the ira nuclear agreement. a deal in which iran agreed to restrict's nuclear program i exchange for gradual sanctions relief trump pulled out, imposing debilitating economic sanction while vowing, as he typically, does to negotiate a better deal something he unsurprisingly, failed to do fast forward to today. iran is now russia's mai military ally, in its inhumane war against ukraine, with th two nations establishing a ful fledged partnership, including working together to try to establish a system to work around the american and wester economic sanctions trump also made a point to focus much of its foreig policy on fostering a tigh personal relationship with the kingdom of saudi arabia,

particularly the crown prince, mohammed bin salman. this went so far as to include donald trump as the sittin american president, publicly supporting the crown prince' narrative around the grisl murder of the journalist and american citizen, jamal welker so she -- saudi arabia is also aidin russia financially by it influence on opec oil prices now, another major crisis of the four policy was china, a country in which we launched t trade war. china is russia's biggest ally even if not directly involve in the war in ukraine for th moment, although according t u.s. officials, china may be providing russia with no lethal military assistance, an could be considering something arms and ammunitions as well force also china's creepin global influence regional provocations and of course, that's by balloo program. stick with me, because i wil pull these strings together in a moment yesterday, in a vote of 2900 and 52 to 0, which donald trum is no doubt envious of, xi

jinping was awarded a thir five year term as the leader o china. also yesterday, in a major breakthrough with massiv ramifications, the sworn enemies, iran and saudi arabia agreed to reestablis diplomatic relations following talks ousted and mediated by china. these are the repercussions of america first. another of our failed twic impeached former president's many failures. also on that list of failures, promising peace in the middl east, and more than that publicly proclaiming tha negotiating a deal between the israelis and the palestinian would be simple and easy those are words he uttered in fact, humid the situation much worse we were talking about that wit diana boo to but, there is a much mor obvious trumpian failure, whic is getting elected that particular failure led hi to the big lie into coup attempt at a series of schemes to overturn the results of the 2020 election. just - justice continues to play ou on that front with multipl members of extremist groups an others who were involved in th

january six insurrection facing charges and convictions well those lower level players are being held accountable, th man in whose name it was all done, whose words and action led directly to the january 6t attack on the united state capitol, donald trump, continues to evade legal and political accountability he remains at the top of the republican party he is the front runner for the gop's nomination for president in 2024. he just headline cpac. he echoes the authoritaria leaders who he admires, tellin the enthralled but, relatively small crowd quote, i am your justice. i am your retribution. that's what he said. now, it appears trump coul finally be held to account for one, one of his other many transgressions, following years-long investigation int the stormy daniels hush mone payments, donald trump has bee invited to testify before grand jury this coming week in new york city. importantly, new york state la

holds that potential defendant must be given an opportunity t appear before a grand jury before they are indicted an invitation to appear is typically viewed as the fina step before a possible crimina indictment it's unclear if the former president will take up tha invitation and appear, nbc new has learned that attorneys representing trump are, righ now, in florida for meetings with trump to discuss strategy one of the attorneys, joe take a fee, not tells nbc news that they have no plans on meetin with the manhattan da's office trump austenite there was an affair with stormy daniels donald trump claims he is an extortion victim himself of course, back here in th real world, while the criminal indictment is not necessaril imminently expected, it coul still be weeks away, if it comes at all trump, who announced in anothe bid for reelection back in november, could become the first president in the unite states history to be criminall indicted donald trump could finally fac repercussions for his action while still remaining at the

top of the republican party. joining me now is th democratic representative, benny thompson the mississippi he is the ranking member of th homeland security committee. he is the former chair of th house elect committee on the january 6th attack chairman thompson, good to see you again. thank you for being with u this morning >> thank you for having me >> i'm sure you look wit interest at what's happening i new york with alvin bragg, but in fact, that is not what most americans who are worried abou that danger of donald trump ar concerned about. they are concerned about the stuff that your committe looked into. the things you researched. the stoking of the insurrection, and while we were describing it, there's a lot of justice being served a lot of people bein convicted. i kind of care less about th people who were storming the capitol. i don't care nothing about them, but i care less about them tha the people who designed that insurrection where are we going to see that justice coming from? >> i think that i will see tha

in due time. as we know, our committe looked very seriously at wha went on on january six, th perpetrators of it and all that and i found, clearly put, we put the onus there on trump. he was the problem he instigated a. he orchestrated it so, really giving a shotgu approach to the problem, w single-handedly identified donald trump as the culprit in this our body of work refers to that, and obviously, as you know, we have shared a good bit of body of our work with th special counsel. and they, in the process calling some of the people who refused to come to our committee, to come forth tha special counsel. i look forward to that body of

work we interviewed over 1000 witnesses and just a lot o work that our committee di that we now expect the special counsel to proceed >> what's your level o confidence in the specia counsel being able to ge material that you weren't able to get, to get testimony you weren't able to get? tell me what difference it makes. i watched all of your hearings i watched all of you committees proceedings i came out of it convinced tha donald trump was an instigator of, but he instigator, of what happened literally six what more needs to come from the special counsel that would lead to a prosecution? >> first of all, he has criminal procedure -- our source of legislativ proceedings, so, the bar i much higher for the legislativ -- so, i could issue a subpoena a chair, but there are ways in which people can obstruct that

process, and many of our colleagues did that criminal process is a little bit different so, as you know, right now, th vice president, for instance is being called for th proceeding we wanted to speak with th vice president we negotiated with the attorney at the end of the day, i didn't work. that perceiving what acquire extensive litigation on th part of our committee and quit frankly, we didn't have a time so, we have shared that body o information that we collecte with the special counsel we sent behind a lot of th work that didn't get shown i the hearings, that special counsel is now in possession o its. >> chairman thompson, i' curious about the fact that yo are about to find yourself o the other side of an investigation. the new house has decided they are investigating your committee. i'm curious about your thought about that do you welcome that is a waste of your time

are you at all worried about that investigation >> well, no, ali we stand behind our work we had very professional peopl that we imparted to do the work our committee, as you know, in its own right, had soli members who gave up their time some sacrifice their careers t participate. so, what we have is a body o war -- work that anybody could review obviously, and in the proces of giving that, but more importantly, as you know, some of the people now revealing it had an opportunity t participate with the committee but they chose not to! leader mccarthy, now speaker mccarthy, took his people of the committee and wouldn't allow them to participate in the process! so, now, we'll see wha happens. the fact that the person taske

with the responsibility was on of those people we identifie as sharing and giving orders t the capital, at times that the capital was not supposed t have people giving tours, so we'll see. it's part of thi misinformation being put out b the speaker's office and obviously, with anothe network. so, we'll see. we stand by our work at th committee. we feel very proud of it i think, based on the reaction that we've gotten overall, people saw what they - with their own eyes what happens. so, it's very difficult fo someone to say well, what yo saw with your own ice is, in fact, didn't really happen you have to listen to me so can tell you what you saw with your own eyes. i just see the american people

as being better than that. >> strange times were, and where that thing does actually work on some percentage of the population congressman, could see you a always democratic representativ bennie thompson the mississipp is the former chairman of th january six house committee. he's a ranking member now on the homeland securit committee. still ahead on velshi, silicon valley bank was a key lender t the biggest tech firms and start-ups in the country in just 48 hours, the bank totally collapse we'll talk about how ban failure happened so quickly, and what could come next plus, today's velshi banne book club, we'll talk to the author meg cabot about her young adult novel, ready o not. cabinets staple of 80 plus books reexamines so-called chiclet, and reclaims it, with humor and strong femal characters ready or not it's a fran examination of what come sexual sex looks like. and the pharmacy change in walgreens change the decisio to not sell abortion - abortion rights illegal. based on that move, no consumers have a choictoe mak as well. diabetes, it's important to have confidence

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quote, it was clear from a research that three strong characteristics to find ou relationship with our customers, rooted firmly in our history since 1901, care, trust, and accessibility. since the beginning of our company, we have dedicated ourselves to serving the peopl of our community, supporting them through their ups and downs. wherever they need us. straightforward, authentic warm, and reliable we are here to help everyone every day. he wants to know their kara, trust, accessibility accessibility, help everyone every day. earlier this month, all reason that it will not dispens abortion pills in 20 states, including for where abortion remains legal. in january, the fda said retai pharmacies could becom certified to distribut mifepristone, the first pill i a two-step medication abortion regimen. not long after that, a group o 20 republican attorney general sent a menacing letter to th major pharmacy chain, includin

walgreens, threatening legal action if the drugstores begin to distribute mifepristone i their states and just like that, walgreen and its morals collapsed quicker than my healthy eating habits walgreens claims to have based its decision on legal criteria saying quote, we have said fro the beginning when it will dispense this medication wherever we legally can once w are certified by the fda, bu at the same time, we have to follow the law this makes no sense. it doesn't explain why walgreens is refusing to distribute the pill in state like kansas, iowa, montana, an alaska, where abortion i legal. and no lawsuits have actuall been filed against walgreens o any other retail pharmacies. the mere threats of lega action was enough for th corporation to fold unde pressure from conservative states walgreens got spooked by a letter that, apparently, accounts for more than the health and freedom and women or anyone wh may ever need an abortion. if it's money and business walgreens is worried about

losing, it's a strategy ha actually backfired, for th moment governor gavin newsom of california announced this week that california will not renew its multi million dollar contract with walgreens becaus of its decision on abortio pills. governor newsom tweeted that the time, california won't b doing business with walgreen or any company that cowers t the extremism and puts women's lives at risk. we're done this doesn't means walgreens will shut its door through california this contracting questio allows state agencies in california to procure specialt prescription drugs fro walgreens. it was up for a neural on ma 1st. governor newsom said the contract won't be released but walgreens says it could be protecting its own political interest, seeing as the compan had reportedly donated t antiabortion politicians including the very attorne general who threatened legal action against them. according to popular information, and independent newsletter dedicated t accountability journalism quote,

all 20 signatories of a letter to walgreens are members of th republican attorney genera association, in june of 2022 ragen sends a fundraisin solicitation pecking tha future donations would be used to further undermine abortio rights across the country. a few months later, on october 4th, 2022, walgreens donated $25,000 to raga, according t irs records reviewed by popula information. nbc news has not independently verified this report walgreens, which by the, way those in the york, also owns dwayne reed, has a decision to make faced the threat of costly lawsuits and potential pharmac licensing trouble in red states, or contract cancellations an consumer boycotts in blu states because consumers have a decision to make as well i generally use the pharmacy closest to my house. it's never occurred to me that a decision made by my doctor and me has anything whatsoever to do with my pharmacy it is not there dampness wha my doctor prescribes me,

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tenths of a percent, to 3.6% that's not a bad thing is because the number of peopl looking for jobs increased b about a quarter million. folks are regaining hope tha they can get a job if they hav been unemployed for a while. hourly wages also rose, showin signs the economy is still going strong it would've been easy to mis this good economic news, i came out on friday morning because it was entirel overshadowed by headlines abou the historic collapse of the 16th largest commercial bank i america. silicon valley bank, also know as svb, is an institution that serves much of the u.s. tech industry over the course of 48 hours, i turned into the biggest bank failure since the start of the 2008 financial crisis. the second biggest ever behind washington mutual. however, washington mutual was bought once it went out of business so far, nobody has bough silicon valley bank. on wednesday, svb announced th sale of its stock, a move to shore up his finances afte taking a big loss on bond sale that were caused by rapidl

raising federal interest rates now, in doing so, the bank too a massive loss about two billion dollars an decided to raise money t offset that loss by selling it own shares to strengthen its balance sheet. it's an unusual move it alarmed some investors, who perceive that as a problem wit the bank so, caused many of the customers to withdraw thei money, as they saw the banks stock prices plummeting. what you have by thursday an friday was an old-fashioned ru on the bank. as vp felt it had no choice bu the cell itself to a large bank that could take over it operations made that decision once they service say. by friday, nobody gets now, the federal deposit and insurance corporation, the fbi's, he has stepped in, in from the separate entity to no keep all the insured svb the process, which would b available to depositors by monday svb's collapse is leavin companies and customer essentially unsure of what wil happen to their money, because the fbi seized standar insurance covers $250,000 he bank account

if customers have more tha that parked in svb, remember most of their clients or business clients, they wil receive a voucher stating ther are entitled to the rest o their funds if and when that money should surface many of those accounts to have more, because multi millio dollar corporations make their we don't know if officia partner for the bank - our partner, sky news, i reporting the bank of london i considering a rescue bid for the british arm of svb for more on this, i'm sure tha lori besinger, president o bancalliance and that work o community banks. she is also the former directo of - but asset relief program lori, good to see you. thank you for being with us >> thanks for having me good morning. >> i had a good talker she lebaron last hour about th mechanics of what would have been happening behind th scenes and how they would've tried to safest bank and wha it means for people who ha deposits in that bank. i guess the broader question for you is should anybody else be worried should those of us who don't bank with chase or citibank or the biggest banks in the country be worried tha

something like this coul happen to our banks? >> my short answer is no i mean, i certainly hope i expect i think this is going to be one-off events i'm sure you just discussed, and as you mentioned, silico valley bank has a lot of uniqu characteristics. i think that contributed t what happened. but overall, i think our banking system is really sound right now. and you can't saint effort because we've talked about thi before thanking, like so many things, it's about confidence and yo need bet depositors, investors to have confidence in the bank right now, there is no need to question the confidence in you community bank, regional, bank i think many of us particularl as consumers, are well below that the positive limits o 250,000 that you mentioned i have great confidence in the fdic's resolution process. and ability to protect our insured deposits >> in fairness, no one has eve lost money under the fdi ensured limits used to be 100, 000, that wa 150,000. but that has a perfect record. she loved --

brought up jimmy stewart, it's a wonderful life, and the idea of a bank run. it's interesting to be that in 2023, nothing has changed. this was an old-fashioned bank run. if consumers of silicon valley bank didn't panic on wednesday and thursday and friday morning, that bank would still be around >> 100%. it's so interesting, right as you mentioned, it is an old-fashioned bank run, but it happened in such a different way. when we think about th historical bank run, you hav this image of lines of peopl standing outside the bank, waiting to get their money but this all happened remotely and virtually by people throug wiring money out of the bank t other new accounts so, to have, i, think over 4 billion deposits, even one day to have that happen invisibly, to those of us who you might b used to more of a it's a wonderful life types in th area, it is a different world. the speed at which thi happened, you know, i thin it's so interesting. you had such an online connected group of customers here who were tweeting and

advising people to pull thei money out. this is very different fro anything, certainly, that i ha seen >> so, this is not, unlike the thousand eight, the things you were involved. and it's not a systemi problem. it wasn't and across the board houses are dropping in prices, people can't pay their mortgages. this was some management decisions made by the bank tha were not terrific. this was a very lucrative bank it has got a remarkabl clientele. why do you think it hasn't bee bought >> that's a good question. i'm sure there is so much goin on behind the scenes both with the team at th former silicon valley bank, wh the chorus to go after, i' sure that will be 27% to regulators, looking for solution i have to just ask, with the speed of this, you, know i think those of us who read the filing from california, that i was salt that thursday morning it was a functioning bank. and then, what happene throughout the day, i wonder i it was too short of a time t arrange a buyer for everyone t take the necessary steps it will be interesting to se

what happens this weekend. but it's easy to use the wor unprecedented, especially now. i feel like we have somethin new every few weeks. this is really unusual >> you have answered one question about the, don't be too worried about your own bank never say never, but thi probably has nothing to do wit your own banking situation in these incidences, there's always this issue of contagion there's this issue that coul infect someone else? there's probably about fou banks that are the main banker to silicon valley. but this falls into th category of regional banks especially banks i can't even think of really many other banks in americ that are so targeted to particular industry. this is about start-ups, venture capital, and tech. any danger in your mind of thi having contagion, through thos affecting other banks? >> i don't think so. based on what i've seen an read at this point, i don' think so again, as i've mentioned, th fundamentals of the bankin system are sound this is in 2008. we don't have banks sitting on

esoteric, our devalue assets if that regulators and everyon continues to message what they are trying to do, how this i contained, i don't think tha we can expect to be affected clearly, if you work for a company that had its funds there that might be not be abl to make payroll for some for of time, he would be affected. i am really not expecting righ now to see contagion in th banking system the banks are in a great place right now. >> i do want to remind peopl who say this is only for the rich, their employees who ar waiting for their paychecks. >> absolutely. >> that's in that company. these are regular employees of companies who might not be getting their money until this is sort of that lori, good to see you lori bettinger it's th president of bancalliance an former director of the trouble asset relief program right after the, break we've got today's meeting of the velshi banned book club with the prolific meg cabot, who' on flushing women for storie and specific brand of humo help raise an entire generatio of millennial readers like me.

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17 year old samantha madison it's actually quite normal trying to navigate her after school job at sullivan's arc supplies, debating if she like her newly dyed black hair, and deciding whether she is read to have sex with her boyfriend the presidents son, david, after dating him for over year that is the plot of meg habits ready or not, in today's velsh banned book club feature it's a very cabot type what she is best known for the princess diaries book and th smash movie adaptation cat of it has become synonymou with women for stories that ar multi fashion that they're funny. the timely they're readable it's impossible to overstate the magnitude of cabot's influence for those who came o age in the early 2000s an entire generation of wome raised on cabot's distinct voice and brand of humor habits 80 plus catalog o titles subverted the notion of what is so called chiclets and created genre bending books ar as thought-provoking as they are funny, it's deeply relabel as they are light and as romantic as they are empowering

ready or not is no exception part room, it's part coming of age story. the buffalo sam on her path to being ready to have consensual sex. it's worth noting in washington, d.c., or sam and david live, t minors within a four-year ag span can legally consent the sex with each other. sam consult her older sister she buys contraceptives. she shares her feelings with her boyfriend and yet, the mos honest moments in ready or not or when there is no action o conversation at all. rather, in the midst of sampso turtle dialogue, and frank deliberation, on this life first quote, what would davi do, i wondered, if i said no would he dump me i mean, if i just came out and told him that while he might think we are ready for sex, i' not so sure. a few pages later quote, wha if david and i did it, and wor got out? sam got some to wonder wha other people would think about her, if she would be considere promiscuous, something tha does not factor for he boyfriends

and other voice for age. throughout ready or not, sam fully grasps the magnitude o sex, the possible consequences social consequences, the healt risks, but never in a way that is rooted in shame something else ready or no never engaged with inappropriate or graphic depictions of sex. ready or not sounds like a conversation you my over her in the high school cafeteria or what your daughter discusse with trusted friends it's and horridl age-appropriate, and it is real. any parent who thinks ready or not and it central themes ar not the reality for most hig school age students is simpl wrong. yet, for many teens, safe an appropriate spaces to explor and learn what consensual se might look like are rapidl disappearing according to the good locker institute, 39 states have laws requiring abstinence being included in sex educatio curricula, while only 20 state require educators to also shar information about birt control. the consequences of limited se

education go well beyond empowerment to make their ow choice there is a direct correlatio between rights of teen pregnancy and sti contractio with the type of sex and tha students have access to. according to the good lawyer institute, that more that stat policies emphasize abstinenc only programs, we hire the incident of adolescent pregnancies and births these students can explore o learn about this in the safety of the local library, either ready or not, written in 2005, and other cabinet titles, have been removed from shelves in both florida and texas, an more bands are surely on the way. velshi banned book club member know this is far from the firs or the only book to grappl with sex that has faced call for band right after the break, i'm joined by the prolific mak cabot to discuss all of this and much more. don't miss this diadtion of th velshi banned book club. an architecture firm... and homemade barbeque sauce. they're called 'small businesses.' but to the people who build them there's nothing 'small' about them. that's why at t-mobile for business...

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including the upcoming the quarantine princess diaries, today's velshi banned book clu feature is ready or not. meg cabot doesn't need much of an introduction. i will say, meg, welcome to th book club, first of all. it's good to have you here >> thank you so much for havin me >> you know, your book cover really interesting and important themes but as we were sort of putting this together, we were tryin to decide some of the things from the book to put into th discussion, and my executive producer described me as a pearl clutching prude for no this is fairly using the sam language you use in your book. i don't think i am but that's kind of the point right? that's the issue the issue is you write about things that some parents might think, they don't want to talk about them they don't want to use tha kind of language, but you ar writing because that is ho kids talk. >> it is, and that is one of the reasons why i wrote th book i felt like there were a lot o kids, at least when i wa growing up and still to this day, whose parent don't tell

them about these kinds o things in many places, school is no telling them about these kinds of things. it's a really important issue. i felt like, you know, all d it, then so i did in this book >> - grateful to you. let's get right into the book. it's ready or not. there's so many books to thrown from you, but let's tal about ready or not i want to start at the end without giving anything away the book does and with a critique from samantha's drawing teacher, quote, when i came time for the critique o our evenings work, susan was pleased with my results. very good, sam, she said, abou my drawing you are really learning. yes, i said, with some surprise i guess i really am. why and it there, with sam learning the whole book is sort of journey of sam learning. >> yeah, and sam is an artist. and inspiring artists, and our lessons are very important t her. it's how she needs her boyfriend, david, who she has long term, 14th a years a long time, relationship

she is learning to draw as wel as she can she is in a life drawing class with david, and she is tryin to learn to draw a figure as a whole. so, that theme comes into th pit book quite a bit you can just draw part, yo have to draw the whole drawing that comes back into the story multiple times so, she is learning to think o things as a whole and not just as a part. that ends up being a hug source of conflict later for her, with the president of the united states. >> what's the metaphor for that with kids in high schoo and thinking whether it is about sex or all the component that become so important, that our sources of anxiety to high school kids, about whether relationships or related t other people on social media what is the metaphor and thinking of parts forces the whole? >> i think in this boo specifically, it's about a campaign that the president, who is her boyfriend's father. it's launching to have familie

to spend more time together. but later, not to give anythin away, but sam does find out th campaign is to keep teens from having access to birth control without their parent knowledge. she becomes upset, and it's so weird, because i wrote thi book 20 years ago. it rings even more true today, because women are being denied access two women's health care all over the place, and this i the thing that sam becomes enraged about. she is like, how can you expec this to be a family living together as a whole when you are separating one part of tha family and treating them not a equals she is furious about it an unfortunately, that's the on live tv. it causes friction with he boyfriend. but fortunately, it doesn't. >> it is wildly relevant despite the fact that the book was written so long ago. let's talk about the character of lucy, sam soldier sister, who talked to her abou contraceptive. among other things we find out lucy's deciding. he wasn't the one. but you thought he was, for long time.

you can't tell me you didn't you even told me he was your first! my first love, lucy said not my first, you know is lucy written and as a foil? >> lucy is kind of a character who chooses to wait. she chose to wait, because she felt the guy she was wit wasn't the right guy, and it wasn't the right time. whereas sam, as we find ou later in the book, althoug none of this is on the page, kind of decide this is the right guy, and it is the right time for her she makes all of the right choices that she should with the help of her older sister who is read a lot and has a lo of - friends who helps him out in that the part. mental, she will be able t consent safely and follo through with her actions without getting hurt this is really important it's important that people hav a lucie in their life, but luc 's choices are her own that's what's so important everybody has a choice at least, they did >> the point that a high schoo reader reads this book and it'

given, at least somebody's roadmap, about how to make the decision about when and how an all the things that ge involved into having sex >> absolutely. and i've worked with teens for a really long time i actually worked nyu for te years. i couldn't even tell you how many kids ended up coming to that school who were working - they were book smart, bu didn't know anything about thi kind of stuff. they had never been taught i school but parents were too uncomfortable to talk to the about it, so, that's where i started getting the idea oh my gosh, this is somethin that if it comes out in a phon book about a girl who is datin the presidents son, but we throw in, i always call it putting a little spoonful of sugar to help the medicine g down this one has a lot of sugar, and there's a little medicin with it. so, just to tell them, it' okay to talk about these things it's especially important to talk about it with you perspective partner, so nobody is surprised these abstinence programs, which they are really pushing, especially in florida, where i live, they don't prepare kid

for the eventuality that the might end up being in situation where they are going to need but little brown paperback that lucy ends u giving her sister. >> on one hand, one might sa an important roadmap for girls or college aged, high school age students, to sort of understand how to navigate these things if they are not learning it from their parents or, perhaps, their school or their church or wherever the are getting it on the other hand, critics o your book have said it's a roadmap. it is a way to teach kids ho to have premarital sex at high school age. >> well, safely, yeah. but problem with that critique is that a very large percentag of kids who are getting thes abstinence education, they are going ahead and having sex they are not doing it with protection michael, i don't have kids but i have a lot of -- and i am really looking for to a future where i could hav really great doctors and

lawyers and people who aren' affected as teenagers, because of a dum mistake, because they were never given the informatio they needed. so, that is something i thought, if i can do this, i'm going to do it. i did, and i don't have an regrets. i regret that brittani murph and britney spears remark made in the book, which were characters opinions of those people, but that's it. the rest, i'm like, yeah it still stands up today because we are so, as women, still being attacked for our health care choices. it's insane. >> meg kaposi of numerous books, including the upcoming the quarantine princess diaries, i today's velshi banned book clu feature, ready or not. there's a lot more where tha came from. we're going to continue this conversation with meg cabot. you will be able to stream the extended cut of this discussio later this week, exclusively o peacock. that does it for me for now, thanks for watching. catch you back here tomorrow morning at our new time slot can i am, to noon eastern. do not forget velshi is also

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