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the former president is meetin with lawyers this weekend to discuss how to handle an investigation, rathe invitation, to testify before grand jury in the manhatta da's investigation into a hush money payment that happene during the 2016 campaign just a couple of minutes, we are going to dig into th details of the legal situation meanwhile, new reaction toda as house republicans launche an investigation into th january six select committee and how it's pro was conducted former chair, betty thompson responding to republican efforts right here on msnbc. >> we stand by our work as a committee. we feel very proud of it i think based on the reactio that we've gotten overall, people saw with their own eyes what happened. and so it is very difficult fo someone to say, well, what you saw with their own eyes didn't happen

you have to listen to me, so i can tell you what you saw thei own eyes i think the american people ar better than that >> and new backlash this weekend over tucker carlson' false portrayal of january 6th the fox news host depicting th attack as a peaceful gathering using video from kevin mccarth earlier today, said kevi mccarthy should be hel responsible. accusing this of being just on of the many deals made t become speaker of the house. >> marjorie taylor greene wh rooted for the rioters is on the homeland securit committee. george santos, a wante international criminal who's admitted to the lies that he's told us still in congress. tucker carlson has access to the most sensitive securit footage at the capitol a group of january 6th synthesize sympathizers ar leaving a congressiona delegation to beseech ill. they're going to be more and more installments for this

corrupt -- >> we are going to have more o all of that later. but first, let's get to our to story of donald trump meetin with his lawyers in florid this weekend after being invited to testify before grand jury by the manhattan da well, the grand jury i examining hush money payment made to porn star stormy daniels back in 2016 for people and knowledge the matter tell the new york times that the author is testifyin next week. also adding such offers almost always indicate an indictmen is imminent. as former trump lawyer lawyer, michael cohen, prepares to giv testimony to the grand jur monday, he predicts his former boss will not accept the invitation >> i have to applaud distric attorney greg, for givin donald the opportunity to come into tell historian. now, not knowing donald as wel as i do, understand that h doesn't tell the truth it is one thing to turn around and lie on your untruth social it is another thing to tur around and lie before a gran jury which, i don't expect that he' going to be coming >> joining me now is jonatha

allen, nbc news senior nationa politics reporter, and also good friend to us. tell me who donald trump i meeting with this weekend, and what kind of strategy migh they be discussing >> yeah, he is meeting wit lawyers. he is always meeting wit political advisers, and friends, and listening to a large group of people. as far as the strategy goes, michael cohen may have the bes insight there that there i always a risk when you go. that said, we are looking at donald trump being invited, no indicted so, he has got an opportunit to make a case for himself i he chooses to do so, that no other person would face an indictment over a nondisclosur agreement with a porn star that certainly isn't on usua prosecution if it occurs >> you mentioned michael cohen

who said type trump's not gonn testify. is that the preventing dat sentiment, that it's not going to happen? >> yeah. we haven't seen donald trump under oath very often. he's gone under oath in th past there's a lot of the heat coul be off under oath that you might have the answer to i think he is -- -- , at the same time there may b a resulting in his lawyers decide that he should do that. they might want to sort of limit the exposure of what h is asked >> good chance he would do a lot of, i will take the fifth. because we have seen that from him in the past. give me a sense of michael cohen's testimony monday how significant could that b before the grand jury? >> sure. michael cohen is an integral player in the middle of this he is the person who it is the sort of go between, th mediator of this this alleged scheme.

i say alleged, so many peopl have admitted to so much of it has been admitted to prior but, what is going on here i that cohen is somebody who is party to the discussion. he's a party to the agreement. i'm >> a party to the action i mean, let's face it. he was right there in th middle of it give me a sense. -- thank you for that put this all into perspectiv though trump faces investigations o multiple fronts. some of them are prett serious. how does this one right an what are the potential repercussions? >> i mean, i think all of them are serious in terms of anytim you have got crimina prosecution, potentially moving but i would say that this is o the lower and. because even if you are to b prosecuted, even if he was t be found guilty, the sort of punishment for this kind o crime is very low as compare to some of the things you ar

talking about with regard to the mishandling of classifie documents. with regards to potentia insurrection if you look at this on a scale of - it is pretty much on the low and >> okay, jonathan allen, scared to see you. thank you so much. let's turn now to the ne battle lines of the federa budget the presidents nearly seve trillion dollar plan aims to cut the deficit by about three trillion dollars over a decade impose a minimum tax o billionaires, and ta corporations at higher rates republicans say it is dead o arrival as members of the hous freedom caucus unveiled thei own proposals. white house press secretar criticizing the approach taken by republicans right here on msnbc. >> they want to basically give a gut punch to every day americans by not doing anythin to lower the deficit if anything, it adds to th deficit. giving tax breaks for th wealthy. it is a tax break for specia interests. i mean, that is what they se so far seem to be saying tha

they want to do. so, again, the president i calling on mccarthy to com forth with his budget. and then we will see what we can do we will go line by line and se what they believe is their value statement to the america people >> well, joining me now, texas congresswoman jon -- a democratic member the hous oversight and agricultur committee. it is very nice to welcome you here on the show this saturday will the presidents budget o ultimately be more of a missio statement type thing could it be used in campaign with voters, or do you think the house is actually going to negotiate on the president proposal >> you know, it is my hope tha we focus on the american peopl and negotiate. i think that when th republicans do things like, as it was already stated, deliver our get punched to the america people, the working people i think that we have to call them estimate grads. i think that we have t translate and make it clea that we look at the budget as moral contract with th american people. and so, therefore ou priorities are people over

politics we are prioritizing making sur that they have got access to childcare, they have got acces to housing, they've got access to jobs. those are the things that we are focused on while republicans are continuall looking at for their donors to make sure that they ca maintain power we know that the power reall lies with the people and that is exactly who we'r gonna continue to focus. on >> the president says his budget is going to protect and strengthen medicare as well as social security. we can enough savings to b found in budget cuts to rule out any sort of cuts t entitlements i mean, it's a steeled flash point between democrats an republicans? because don't both parties hav to start working together to ensure that these problems d not run dry? i mean, you really think republicans are able to hand the president to win tha ultimately benefits al americans at some point? what they do that in this tenor? >> you know, i think that th reasonable republicans, if w can find them. their problem is that when

mccarthy thought sought th speakership, he basicall crippled past the finish line. and crippling that's the finis line is actually hurting all o us he is so afraid of one of them making motions to vacate the chair, that this fringe fa right that does not seemingl even work for many of th people in their districts. we know that lawn boeber almost lost her seat in a safe republican space so, we know that the policie that they are pushing are no popular. but unfortunately, this fa reaching, marjorie taylo greene, group of folks, they have a little too much power i the house. and so i do think that there are those that want to engag in honest negotiations they do understand that it i important that we act like the adults in the country, and w keep it moving forward but unfortunately, the speaker made so many bad deals that he can't function >> yeah, well let's hope those republicans that are reasonabl will speak out and do so

loudly let me ask you about the republicans on the house oversight committee though as you know, they opened tha investigation into the alleged mistreatment of january si right defenders in a d.c. jail jim jarrett james comer, marjorie taylor greene, they plan to visit the jail how do you interpret this? are they trying to recast thes defendants rioters >> i mean, it is a joke, alex. we as black people have been talking about the prison syste in america for decades, and no one seems to think it was so important until marjorie taylo greene and her insurrectionist friends got incarcerated now we want to look at wha these conditions look at like. i think there is always conversation to be had aroun how we cheat inmates as someone who has practiced criminal defense work, a someone who has had client passed away in jail, i absolutely know what it look

like to have a real ba treatment or lack thereof an treatment. so, i know it neglects looks like i know what these things are and so, as a member of the oversight committee, we ar still trying to get th information about this visit but i definitely plan to mak sure that i make the rea comparisons about who has been struggling and what th struggle looks like. if marjorie taylor green really wants to push thi envelope because there is a rea conversation to be had in fact, we should have been having this conversation as we saw him it's dying, especially in the federal prisons, over covid-19 we saw when they were no gaining access to the things that they needed and i don't really care what i is that you have been accuse of or what it is that you ar incarcerated for if you are not handed a deat sentence than the fact that we were sitting in the midst of covid-19 should not than allow for you to get a death sentence though, we have some conversations that we can have in this country about what i looks like and what it shoul

look like. but i promise you, these january six years probably got cheated just like the race that we don't win in south carolina who, unfortunately was given a hamburger on his way to jail >> i mean, okay. let me ask you about something all americans will be doin tonight, which is set your clocks forward for dayligh savings time but, already the sunshin protection act has bee re-introduced in both the hous and the senate that would make this tim change permanent the senate did pass a versio last year, but it was neve brought for a vote in th house. do you think this is something that might unite this congress i mean, do you, your constituents seem to want to make this change permanent >> i mean, i think that my constituents would happily welcome it everyone gets confused and thank goodness for our cel phones because our cell phones fix it for us but it is such a confusing time, and honestly there's no need for at the nowadays. and so i think it is easier on everyone, especially our kids.

like they have to adjust for the time change. especially, it is tough on parents having to deal wit little kids and getting thei in school and things like that so, i think everybody is o board. but the idea of this house coming together for anything just seems like common sense we will see what happens >> i gotta tell you, i get s paranoid that i am going t obviously because after work tomorrow i've already changed on my analog clocks. that is when change this morning. i woke up, i thought oh i' gonna change right now because maybe a go to be earlier tonight. >> but let me ask you one more question this is a big topic. i think we have to have yo back to talk about it in full. your democratic colleague mark takano, re-introduced hi 32-hour, four day work week ac to congress. that will reduce the definitio of a work week from 40 hours t 32 hours, for salaried employees. could this pass? would this benefit you constituents because i know many of which are working class. so they are not salaried employees.

>> yeah. so, alex, this is a grea question i think it is a conversation w need to have i think that we learned in covid-19 that workforce is changing the face of it we know that there lot marke will work from home, and thing like that. so i think that we are tryin to figure out what does th future of work look like i this country considering the fact that th minimum wage is still 7:25 i the state of texas, and i have 20% of my district living ou of or below poverty, i don't really know how they would fee about some of these things because i have got people wh are literally trying to work more and more hours a week because they are trying to put food on the table. but i do think that we need to have an honest conversatio about the fact that the wa that we work to historically i just not what we need to d going forward. i see the benefits, i see that families would have more tim to spend together. , i know the mental call tha we have all been given in th midst of covid-19 and the mids of inflation honestly, i'm sure alex yo travel the world

but we know in different countries especially in europe they build in naps, they do lot of different things. >> i no >> anyway, congresswoman, i'm going to have you back we are going to have a longe conversation about this. let's see how this percolate within congress. we come back and talk to m about that, because your point are all very well taken. thank, you much. >> absolutely. have a good. when >> you too. meantime, republican serve u what many are calling a ne nothing burger in congress my complaints are piling up on the left and the right the left and the right help stop the clock on gum disease now. parodontax toothpaste... ...is 3x more effective at removing plaque bacteria, one of the main causes of bleeding gums. parodontax. the gum experts. [♪♪] one of the main causes of bleeding gums. if you have diabetes, it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today.

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where billions are under flood alerts as the atmospheric rive topples the state causing road to reverse overflow, rose unde feet of water. residents ordered to evacuate. that the deadly weathe situation far from over with even more rain expected this weekend. and into next week abc's chief patterson joins us again from sandra california that is the central part of th state.

all, right so that river i still rushing pretty quickly beneath you, there >> it is yeah this is a mass it is a mess across really the entirety of the northern hal of the state we are talking about 90 alerts warnings, watches, flash flooding, really all acros this region. it doesn't seem like a lot, bu then you realize this is california so you are talking about 1 million people under threat. part of the bay area i underwater part of the central coast is underwater the central valley where i am, water logged and as you mentioned, he probably can hear it in th microphone walking across this bridge this river is rushing. and really, where from where i was standing not too long ago, just a few hours, ago all of this would have been underwater if it wasn't thanks to peopl in this community, sandbagging fixing this bridge, taking out a huge chunk of debris fro under this bridge which is clogging up a lot of the water part of this community to my right would have bee completely submerged in fact, a lot of this was all

under water. it would've cut off at least 1 residents from the rest of california this community dealing with it but this is not the only place as mentioned there's also norther california, monterrey county we are hearing that there was levy that broke. nearby a river upstream of a community. that will area has been floode out. there's been something like 56 swift water rescues toda alone. as crews work throughout the state to try to save as many people as they can to get so many communities underwater. we spoke to some of thos people about what they are experiencing here is what they told us. >> we have been here about 2 years, and we really haven't seen anything to this extent >> the biggest problem is no being able to get to work. it is a little bit tight we had to take a leave o absence. they excused a few days. we work in an amazon warehouse the power being off has been really difficult

>> as you know, alex, this i all on top of the snow event that we just had to give a pineapple express, a tropical atmospheric river event, melting some of the sno that we just got making it heavier in the mountains and then melting some of i creating even more problems fo the flood situation in lower lying areas. remember, this is one of two atmospheric rivers we're expected to get th second one on monday bringin even more precipitation area that don't need it at all. alex >> that is a lot to. take a, k especially my home state. i worry a lot about. it thank you very much t patterson. let's go now to some questions about the subcommittee o weaponization of the federal government after democrats pushback on republicans in the latest hearing about twitter >> mister chairman, american can see through. this mosque is helping you out politically, and you are going out of your way to promote and protect him and to praise hi for his work >> what is unfortunate here is

that we are we're talking abou twitter. and that we are not talkin about republican governmen officials across around th country who are banning books. and we are not talking about >> will the gentleman yield? >> no, i will. not >> my job a couple of my drops right there. but it all comes a week after report from judiciary democrat claimed multiple whistleblower in the probe that offered zero evidence of wrongdoing, and no new reporting says tha jordan's panel and game plan i drawing criticism from republicans. joining me now is the author o that article, jacqueline alemany. congressional investigativ reporter for the washingto post also an msnbc contributor. also joined by tracy ronald, o see former staff operation officer and fbi special agent. welcome to both of you, jackie wright the chairma jim jordan is facing growing frustrations over how he i running this panel where is the criticism on th right coming from,e mmittee' approach

>> yeah, alex. this criticism is coming circles. a lot of former trum administration officials i places like the center for renewing america, the heritage foundation really a smattering of these influential outside thin tanks. really calling on jim jordan t be more aggressive, issue more subpoenas, staff up faster create a committee more in the vein of the january si committee. as well as the original 1970 church committee that have a clear mission and focus. the big issue here is that som of these same witnesses that these outside groups have been pushing, people like stephen frightened and people who ar included in these 316-page report issued by democrats, ar not credible witnesses and don't have, have not yet reach that threshold of being actual whistleblowers which i think underscores th predicament and can done dru that jim jordan finds himsel

in which is that he sort of ha this sisyphean task of tryin to prove the improvable an bear out a lot of thes conspiracy theories that hav been pushed by people on the right. which begs this question, is jim jordan going to have to tr to work harder to prove that there is no there there? >> yeah. as one i think the most tellin conversation included in our story was with the congressional investigator who said, he is feeling on bot fronts he's not only ruling out delivering on any substance, he's not delivering on thi vast labyrinth of conspiracy theories and he has set himself up fo failure. but we know that he is s staffing up. their committee is still finding their footing. despite a lot of the criticism that we are hearing, we ar very nascent in this process so he still have some time lef to potentially right the shi and maybe find some issue that

canopies the right while als being substantive. >> you know, tracey, you hav been in both the fbi and the cia. so as you watch this committee target so-called whistleblowers did the committee create the sense of weaponization befor anything was actually found? how closely do you think the intelligence communities watching this? do you think that the action of the subcommittee, does it all at all hinder the abilit to keep the nation safe in any way? >> i absolutely think that i does, alex i think that if we look at the church committee back in the 70s, the setup of that committee was approved 82 to 4. it was very bipartisan that is not the case here. and as someone who works in th national security community fo a while, the reality is that those divisions that this is creating, those baseless divisions quite frankly, reall show our enemies that we are not united international security plan. and it is to basing th credibility of our nationa security apparatus as a whole.

that includes law enforcement, intelligence, defense, and tha is problematic and our enemies see that they are looking and watching, and it really is sort of in way showing them that as a nation we are not strong and w are questioning the veracity o our intelligence community and that is highly problematic >> listen, talking about t basing credibility, let's go t the backlash along fox new host tucker carlson over the many refute-able claims that h has made with his presentation of january 6th footage he is trying to black downplay the violence of the capital. take a listen to what former lead investigator for th january six committee, tim haiti, toby the last hour. >> it is a totally false narrative, alex. to pick and choose some bits o video where there are people taking pictures inside the capital, where there are peopl walking through, not assaultin police officers. police officers to their jobs. they didn't facilitate entry o riots. they tried their best to

violently, to resist violence. and then to de-escalate once people were inside because they're outnumbered. >> don't you wish, tracey, w don't even have to talk abou this but i am going to ask you what your reaction is to carlson' versions of january 6th. do you think he puts capitol security, or even our national security at risk anyway? >> i personally do you think h does there were 41,000 hours of videotape. he cherry-picked basically wha he felt fit his narrative. that again is highly problematic. the other part that i just on personal level find the most offensive was that he wa blaming federal law enforcemen for basically enabling thi mob. i did not risk my life i afghanistan, to be blamed fo basically a riot at ou capital. and i think that is highly problematic. not to mention also releasin this video is now showin individuals the layout of th capital. just from a security standpoint you are showing individual allay out of the capitol you are showing them entry points, and egress points. and those are things that we a

law enforcement officers lik to keep safe and don't want ou in the public realm. because it could invit something like this again. >> yeah. you know, jackie, how speake kevin mccarthy he is continuing to defend giving the footage to tucker carlson. but many republicans are indee outraged over exactly what carlson is doing with it so, walk us through the divide here and how it could be impactin the party. >> yeah, alex. a lot of republicans reall just, when it comes down to, i don't want to have to continue to relitigate the events o january 6th. now, almost two years out of that event there's a lot of frustration with tucker's presentation sort of dredging up a lot of issues in this event that was caused major part due to the former presidents continued belie that the election was, the 202 election was stolen.

and these efforts that wer whipped up by trump and hi supporters and a lot of his allies in the house. and continuing to have t discuss that to the press. you know, this is somethin that doesn't register well wit their constituents it is not something that their constituents want them to be talking about, especially as they are just about to head to home for a week and a half there also was this feelin from some critics privatel saying that mccarthy gave this over to tucker carlson in orde to appease one of the most influential voices i conservative circles but that at the end of the day it is not beneficial for the party. although there i simultaneously this feelin that it just like another a lo of other negative detrimenta news cycles, this one will die out too. >> yeah, we will see okay, jacqui, and tracy. very good to see you both. well, florida's governors in iowa, i don't have to tell you why, but next to how man people there really want to do

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your running for president without telling me you are running for president. look, what i can say, alex, is that on a friday afternoon int friday morning when he held hi events here in des moines an davenport yesterday he had a full packed house. and enthusiastic crowd here. it is very early but it coul be an indicator, at the very least of some interest i desantis from voters here in the hawkeye state. and of course, he is here no as a candidate, but he is here on his book tour his memoir which is largely playbook of florida policies that he has been calling the blueprint for america' revival. and, on these, at these events he's really been touting wha he sees as florida's biggest successes. the battles that he's wage against what he calls the woke take a listen to some of wha he said yesterday. >> we refuse to let our stat

descend into some type of fetc ian dystopia we run the state of florida. we don't subcontract out leadership to iwo compan built-in base in california. i am sick of elites imposing their vision on open borders o you and on us without having t face the consequences of it. so we thought it was worth i to send 50 illegals to martha' vineyard >> that martha's vineyar immigration bit of his speec got perhaps the biggest roun of applause. but a lot of enthusiasm, som standing ovations for him. the question is, will that actually translate to th caucuses you know very well, alex, i wa all about retail politics. people here value th handshakes they value those visits to the coffee shops, the diners we haven't yet really seen muc of that from the santas. we will be watching over the coming months how he approache the state with his style o

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with his attorneys this weeken after reports that he could se charges for his role in hush money payments to stormy daniels. the men manhattan da's offic offered trump the chance t testify before the grand jur next week. it is a move typically indicating an indictment i close. but some are skeptical about how significant it is. including former republica congressman, adam kinzinger. >> i guess it is a big story t an extent. it is not the enchilada i thin everybody is thinking. obviously, the biggest thing i am interested in is, wha happens on the january six situation, and stuff like that

>> well, let's bring in former u.s. attorney, legal affairs columnist for the l.a. times and host of the talking feds podcast, harry lippman and media reporter for the washington post, sarah ellison i welcome you both do you agree, harry, with adam kinzinger? with an indictment of th stormy daniels case be something of a small development, considering the many legal challenges trump is facing >> you know, it is not exactly small, alex. it will be the first time in the history of the republi that a former president will have been indicted in terms of its likelihood this is not a wink and a nod stuff. they are taking their star witness, putting him in th grand jury on monday, so he ha the greatest impact. and you, know what he says i consistent with all of company for. and they have given trump th opportunity to testify if you look that up in the prosecutor's dictionary, i says indictment coming so, indictment is coming now kinzinger's point is wel

taken. there are bigger cases involving more threats to th republic that he did while president, that are stil developing so in that sense, it is not th grand enchilada as he puts it, in terms of overal accountability for his wickedness as a president if i can say it but it is still a significan step and will be seismic in hi life >> so, let me ask you in terms of this weekend. we know that trump's meeting here with his lawyers. do you think that they are taking a hard look a testifying do you think it is a quick and unanimous, do not do it >> can unanimous, do not do at one, it wouldn't help to, he is a deviant disaster the question is, is there an argument to try to make to g into brag and tried to say don't indict for these reasons or is it such a certainl preordained kind of trip tha it is not even worth it. i think they probably will g in, you always take a shot but will they testify the gran

jury no, no, no >> so the question is, wil they go in will donald trump g there and physically be ther to see attorneys >> sorry, so just th attorneys. i had a lot of meetings like this and they give legal arguments, or practica arguments. if you do this, here's wha will happen. exeter et cetera but no, not trump himself. we will next see trump when he is arraigned on these charges. >> wow that would be stunning let's go to you, sarah we turn to the fox new dominion lawsuit because you have heard a numbe of articles about the ne details that have been release this week. tell me what the mos surprising thing is that you have learned >> the most surprising thing that we have all learned following this lawsuit is, how much and to what extent th hosts and executives and peopl who controlled fox news did no believe what was on the air on fox news so this all centers around tha

claims from donald trump and his attorneys and associates that there was massive fraud i the 2020 presidential election that turned the election from, donald trump, to joe biden and the specific case that w are looking at is whethe dominion voting systems, which owns a lot of different voting machines around the country, was responsible for flipping votes from donald trump to joe biden. and what we see is that, man people who work at fox news di not believe that that was th case and, yet they continued to put people on the air. and in fact, some of their house advocated for this argument even though they di not believe it themselves. >> and it is all based on thes newly-released text messages once one talker carlson. those are the ones making huge headlines for creating thi really remarkable contrast between what was said on the air, and what was said behin the scenes there's one article in which you highlight, sarah, some of. these were literally the mos damning messages including this one, what

carlson called thump, a demoni force. and then, a destroyer. and then goes on to say, i hat him passionately i can't handle much more o this how far back do these messages go, and what more do the reveal >> we are looking specifically at this time period, sort of before and after the 202 election and they reveal a network that had grown very close to donald trump. and their viewership, foxe viewership, was full of supe fans of donald trump who believed the president when he said that the election hav been stolen from him, an wanted to hear that message. they were very angry at fo after fox news made a pivota call in arizona that joe biden you know that arizona was swing state and had typicall voted for the republican candidates and, in this election, fox new made an early call in arizon

that that state was going to g for joe biden. and, trump was furious his aides were furious and they unleashed that ange on individuals at fox news, an on the entire channel. and those who are started to defect from fox news to othe networks and, what they show is the sor of panic inside fox. >> oh, i had a percent and you make the point that, what key players have foxy sai about the network and it viewers, he wrote that it was not just carlson wh didn't believe the big lie in, fact that skepticism started all the way at the top and trickle down to editoria leaders, other personalities what have you learned about th inter workings of the networ as the chaos, as you are describing, it serenit election unfolded? >> i mean, one of the things that was particularl interesting to me was how much the, rupert murdoch who co founded fox news, decades ago, how much he was, didn't believ

this messages. and how much contact he ha with his own executives an house about what they should b saying and how they could be turning the tide he really wanted to tell them, to stop promoting these lies what he called for these election lies. but, they were fearful that if they did that, that they would lose their audience. and, so it is pivotal in the dominion case because one of the big bars, you have to clea very high bar in the unite states in order to prove tha someone has defamed and proven with actual malice that they have acted with actual malic when they were talking about a public figure. and, so that is what i important. it's you, have to kind of ge inside someone's head. or inside a networks head. and that is what these behin the scenes messages show >> so, let me ask you, harry even i am out of time. does this go to trial or doe it get settled >> it goes to trial, probabl in april it is under dominion

dominion this on in the driver seat it will come down to damages but they are making signs that they wanted to go to trial, an fox has a killer trial lawye that they've known void. >> okay. guys, thank you so much. we will have you both back again as this goes to trial, i it does, in april. thank. you today, manhattan distric attorney alvin bragg joins a reverend al sharpton to discus donald trump's invitation to appear before a grand jury you can watch politics natio with the rev it is today at 5 pm eastern, here on msnbc. a jaw-dropping victory youus j have to hear about it is next it is next cha brewer): if i just stare at these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves. right? uhh...nope. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes, cheers! with 100% accurate tax calculations guaranteed. what causes a curve down there? is it peyronie's disease? will it get worse? how common is it? who can i talk to? can this be treated? stop typing. start talking to a specialized urologist. because it could be peyronie's disease, or pd. it's a medical condition where there is a curve

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