clinching a historic 87th worl cup victory in sweden this weekend, breaking a record tha stood since 1989 before we go, everybody, a ver quick reminder, daylight savings time starts sunday morning. two a.m. which means the spring forward an, hour so don't forget to se your clocks ahead before you g to sleep tonight and even though we all might b a little tired and crank tomorrow morning, keep in mind the time change, the sure sign that string, warme temperatures, and then eventually summer is on th way. that wraps up for me, i will b back in the chair tomorrow at pm eastern symone starts right now. hello, i'm melissa murray an for simone tenders townsend. it's our former president trum is meeting with his attorney this weekend after being invited. to testify before the manhatta grand jury what can this development tell

us about possible criminal charges in the stormy daniel hushed money case. we break it down the former lead prosecutor - congressman joe laufman join me today she has something to say about the falsely january 6th narrative that took tucker carlson is pushing with some help from hous speaker kevin mccarthy and later, the battle for 2024 is already starting to tak shape. florida governor ron desanti isn't a candidate yet. but it sure sounds like on this week. so called anti woke agenda b enough to beat donald trump? plus we are recognizing women' history month with our serie celebrating her story. today's one-on-one with th groundbreaking actress and singer songwriter angelica ross you are watching symone and we have a lot to talk about

this weekend, donald trump i likely meeting with his lega team to strategize after new developments in on of the many investigations focusing on the former president. it is fueling question throughout the legal world about whether trump could be moving one step closer t earning the title, first forme united states president to b indicted two of trump's attorneys tol nbc news, the manhattan da alvin brock, invited trump t testify before the grand jur next week. the new york times cited sources who say the da's offic signal to trump's lawyers that he could face criminal charges but his lawyers tell nbc new that they were not told charge against trump are forthcoming. and a spokesman for donald trump responded by accusing th da's office of considering a quote unquote, new political attack after years of a long witch hunt this manhattan grand jury wa convened as part of th investigation into hush mone

trump's alleged to hav funneled to stormy daniels, to keep quiet about an affair tha trump says never happened. and we have learned that michael cohen, trump's forme lawyer and fixer and the key witness in this case is due to testify before the grand jur on monday. remember, cohen pleaded guilty to making the payment to storm daniels back in 2016 saying that trump ordered hi to do it he is also now one of trump' most outspoken critics and he has some thoughts about the developments in the case >> i have to applaud history attorney brad for giving donal the opportunity to come in and tell his story knowing donald as well as i do understand that he does no tell the truth it is one thing to turn around and lie on your truth social it is another thing to tur around and lie before a gran jury so i don't suspect that he i going to be coming >> msnbc legal analyst and m nyu colleague andrew weizman joins me now andrea spent years working i

the justice department and served as a lead prosecutor fo robert mueller's special counsel investigation. andrew, this is an invitatio to trump to testify. it is not a subpoena compellin that testimony can you explain why this invitation to trump to testify indicates that an indictment i likely imminent? >> absolutely. so it is nice to have the ny actually meeting there t start. and you called it to order so i think your term invitatio has really been important. there is an oddity of new york law which is that if you are subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury, that is, you get an actual subpoena that is a legal document, that require you to come to the grand jur and testify. but if you do that you are given what is called transactional immunity the you are given immunity wit respect to the transaction you testify about. so there is no way that if you were thinking of indicting the

former president that he would give him a subpoena, and thu trigger transactional immunity instead, as a matter of sort o due process they are giving hi an opportunity and a invitation, a voluntary reques which he can either take up or not. to come and tell the grand jur his side of the story. it is highly unlikely that h is going to do that. i have been a defense lawyer there was no way i would recommend this to a client lik donald trump and we have a good sense tha he won't do this from the fact that he asserted the fifth amendment repeatedly in a civi case brought by the attorney general, letitia james and then finally to really get to your point, melissa which is this the kind of thin we do just before we make th final decision about whether t bring charges or not this is very much an in stag development. and honestly if you weren' contemplating charges yo wouldn't be making this offe to donald trump if you thought

that this was something you ar not -- >> there would be no reason to bring him in >> to that point, obviously da olive and brought has to make position here. but any possible charges against trump oleg leads the from the - falsified business records whe you funneled the funds from hi business company to michae cohen pay off stormy daniels under -- misdemeanor, can you explain the novel legal theory that th da's office were likely relyin on to elevate this to a fina in the offense and if they are going to use that theory, will it convince jury when it is the basis of a indictment >> fantastic question. so i think that the first poin is that the misdemeanor is a very clear one which is falsifying this record and that stands from the fact, as michael cohen has said an testified to, that these payments to stormy daniels where masked as a payment by donald trump of legal fees t michael cohen. and they weren't that.

and so that filing of fals business records is misdemeanor. in order for that to be felony, you have to be able to show that the false business records were done to aid and abet or cover up some othe crime. whether it is a felony or misdemeanor. but you need some other crime. and there are a lot of issue there. we don't know yet what other crime the da might be thinking of it could be some sort of election fraud it could be a federal offense, in which case you have an issu about whether the stat misdemeanor contemplated a federal charge being that sort of predicate to jack up misdemeanor to a felony. this is where it does feelin like the nyu faculty room, because it is quite in the weeds. the bottom line is we don' really know yet what exactly the theory will be that the da is going to use. >> while there is a lo obviously going on in th manhattan da's office.

thank you, andrew, for helping us out with that msnbc's on all of thos developments because coming up in the nex hour, manhattan district attorney alvin bragg will join reverend al sharpton to discus trump's invitation to appear before the grand jury. that's on politicsnation today at 5 pm eastern right here o msnbc. going forward we also have developments and another trump investigation. the alleged attempt to overtur the 2020 election and what wil fox news may have played i pushing election lies that the network knew were false. an extraordinary mountai formation has come to ligh because of a 1.6 billion-dolla defamation lawsuit filed b dominion voting systems agains fox news thousands of pages of evidence have been released during th discovery phase in this case and they indicate that fox new knew trump had lost th election but that nonetheless allowed o air talent to lie about it i order to boost ratings judging from the interna messages, one of the worst offenders was and still is

tucker carlson the evidence indicates tha carlson relentlessly pushe focused claims of election fraud on air while rejecting many of thos claims and private tex messages carlson has also repeatedl disclaimed that january 6th wa in fact an insurrection. and he has referred to those investigated and prosecuted fo their conduct on january 6th a political prisoners. and now for reasons that are baffling some republicans as well as democrats, house speaker kevin mccarthy has released thousands of hours of video evidence from january 6t to tucker carlson. no other media surprising no one, carlson selectively edited the video t downplay the entire day. cultivating a false narrativ that is dangerous to our democracy. and if you want to see just ho hypocritical it all is just take a listen to what h was saying on air alongsid these newly-revealed persona messages he was sending within fox. >> for five years we hav

watched the news media treat donald trump in a way that n american president has eve been treated >> one of the big things o matters of civilizationa importance, trump told the truth bluntly, often whe nobody else would. >> donald trump in other words is and always has been a livin indictment of the people who run this country >> joining us now is u.s representative joe lofgren o california representative lofgren welcome. you were a member of the house select committee tha investigated january 6th how do you respond to what tucker carlson's efforts t undermine the committee' findings are doing in th general discourse about januar 6th? >> well it is bizarre, really, i, as everyone knows, we released a huge amount o information all of the transcripts and all of the interviews, the video that w had that was cleared by th capitol police you can clearly see a mo attacking police officers,

breaking into the capitol, hundreds of officers wer injured. people died. every person who wrote broke i was there unlawfully so to try and spin this is something else, it is really weird. and unsustainable. but i think for those that t get their news, so called news from so-called fox news, the may have been misled as mr carlson misled them with the big lie before the election, after the election and befor january 6th. >> so it is definitely weird but is this rhetoric actuall dangerous? i, mean are you concerned that tucker carlson's handling of all of this will actuall create more division in this country or worse, incitement t violence as we move into another election cycle >> well clearly it is not good for the united states. it does promote unhealth division but i think it also for th

extremists who took to arms an were violent, it reall encourages them. and the idea that he and other are calling the people who attacked officers and pled guilty to felonies political prisoners, in addition to bein bizarre, probably encourages those who would take violent action so i do think it is dangerou thing to do, and i think it is an immoral thing to do frankly. >> speaker kevin mccarthy, you colleague in the house i taking some heat for his decision to release these tape to tucker carlson. take a listen to how he is defending that decision. >> i continue to hold that m job here as it has been before to make sure all the transparency comes out and tha is exactly what i am doing just like all of you coverin news, people are able to determine the way they want. but i think the fairest way to do it instead of trying to cover in something, else allow all the transparency so that every one can see.

>> representative law friend is this really about transparency or is it about something else? what is your take on kevin mccarthy giving this video t tucker carlson >> well of course it is, tha is ridiculous, what the speake said it is not about transparency he didn't give it to all the news media as the firs amendment would require if you are releasing information. he gave it to his favorite right-wing personality as an element of propaganda for that right-wing personality it is not about transparency you can as our police chiefs have said. selectively edited and try t mislead people you know, i could show you and the committee saw empt hallways in the raybur building that didn't mean there wasn't riot it meant that people wer sheltering in place. so he is trying to, he being mr. carlson and trying to li to people. and i think the speaker's goin along with it. which is pretty sad. >> so going forward we already know that tucker carlson's

network is facing a 1.6 billio dollar lawsuit here. you would think that fox's lawyers would be telling him t ease up on the election denial top. but instead he has bee doubling it down how do u.s. democrat counteract this? especially, again, as we hea into another election cycle? >> while our policy has been o the january six committee to just tell the truth. as you find it you know, there were things an theories we had that were no true so we just told the truth of what we found. and we are going to continue t tell the truth and focused not just on januar 6th, terrible as that as w should not ever forget i because it is a threat t democracy. but also focus on what reall matters to the american people building a strong economy an standing up for democracy. making sure that our infrastructure is repaired that is what people want t hear about not a look backwards >> thank you so much for joining us representativ lofgren. >> thank you >> coming up on simon, more on the political fallout over tucker carlson and his effor to whitewash what really

happened on january 6th. why even some republicans ar firing back. plus, florida governor ron desantis in iowa gearing up fo what looks like a presidential run. how is donald trump taking the news we will discuss. but first, my colleague richar lui has today's other to stories. richard? >> melissa, a very goo afternoon to you, some deadl weather conditions are slammin parts of california puttin millions under flood alert right now. excessive rains washing away and basically erasing road across the state more rain and even more snow i certain areas to that will battered the state throughou the weekend. federal regulators shuttin down silicon valley bay, a leading lender in the tech industry regulators seized th california banks assets, thi is the second largest bank collapse in u.s. history and the biggest failure in mor than a decade. trouble came wednesday when th company surprised the public with news that it needed t raise money to stay afloat and that triggered a mas withdrawal by its customers. taking its stock

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to rewrite the reality of th january 6th insurrection i falling flat even among some republicans. take a listen to what thes comments from the senate minority leader mitch mcconnel had to say >> the chief of the capito police, in my view, correctl describes what most of u witnessed firsthand on january 6th. >> and mitch is not alone on this other republican senators like tom tillis, mitt romney, and lindsey graham have denounce the tv segments as well. but for carlson, lawmakers fro day during the events they hav experience firsthand is just another conspiracy >> you are getting close t what they really care about, and you have to ask yourself why? why is it so important tha they would degrade themselve by telling such obvious lies and calling for censorship why?

what are they trying to protect, that might be worth exploring, if we plan to. >> and carlson's diatribes are just misinforming the public they are now being used in efforts to help some of th january 6th rioters escape accountability take dominic pezzola for example. the justice department says th proud boy is on video using riot shield he ripped from a officer to shattered windows outside the capital. clearing the way for mor riders to enter the building just days ago, pezzola's defense team moved to dismis his case with prejudice. citing, you guessed it, quote, recent revelations on th tucker carlson's show. what's more, doctor's crusad is getting an assist fro members of congress. house oversight chair jame comer and congresswoma marjorie taylor greene are planning a trip for republican members of congress to visit january 6th defendants in th d.c. jail. something tells me they're sudden interest in crimina justice reform will not extend to the 400,000 americans who the prison policy initiative

have indicated are currently subject to pretrial detention. my political panel joins me no to get to the bottom of this when he kressley is an attorne and host of make it make sense and former republica congressman david jolly is a msnbc political analyst. welcome to you both. congressman jolly, this seem like a another consequence o speaker mccarthy's horse trading to get the gravel. how do you think this decision to give these videos to tucker carlson will affect hi standing among his caucus, h specially given that many of his members were actuall threatened with harm on that day at the capitol >> yeah, melissa, it is perfect question because i think we all kno tucker carlson said to be both the duplicitous but also a ver dangerous voice in america culture. but the story really here is about kevin mccarthy and when you hear mitc mcconnell and tom tillis and other republicans call out kin of what was aired on fox news, what they are actually calling out his the actions of kevin mccarthy i mean, this is a very, i thin

it's a humbling moment for kevin mccarthy but this is someone who does not understand humility. kevin mccarthy engaged in very corrupt bargain to become speaker of the house and that is that he sold his political soul to the far righ ring the angry populist wing. but also the insurrectionist wing of the party. we saw it play out in the 15 votes it took him to becom speaker. but we have also seen it pla out just now this is behavior unbecoming of a speaker of the house handing over security tapes to somebody who is a known ba actor in national media. in tucker carlson. a shameful moment for kevi mccarthy that will now be part of his speaker legacy as speaker of the house >> when you kiss isn't jus about kevin mccarthy's legac as speaker what do you make of this motio to dismiss from dominick's team? are we going to see a spate of similar moves from other january 6th defendants if hi successful or even if it is not >> [inaudible]

it doesn't really matter where the information came from. the issue is whether the should have been provided this if this is truly jinx -- should have been turned over now what they do though, melissa, and in order to tel you. they look at it and try to narrow it to the senate chamber. and say that this defendant, pezzola, and others were escorted into the chamber. it doesn't matter. the capital was not open to th january general public that. days no one went to there that did not have official business was there in keeping with th law. they all were trespassing goin in there it does not matter how the were treated by capitol police after they were inside or what manner the capitol police were using to corral them or to control them they had no business on th property and there is enough, there i ample video to show that contradicts what was seen. these very few nuanced video that were shown on tucker' show >> monika, you are exactly

right, a lot will depend on ho a judge of use these new allegations, and whether the think that the slicing of th senate versus the congress mor generally is important here. but congressman jolly, americans assault with their own eyes on january 6th what was occurring at the capitol what are the chances that thes efforts to rewrite the history of that they could actuall backfire for republicans >> well i think it backfires because republicans in 18 an 20 and 22 have shown that they are false narratives on so man issues are out of touch with where the american people know the country's. we all saw with our own eyes the violence on january 6th in 2021 and so to show som specifically slice materia simply isn't convincing. the odd thing here is, though, you can have a defense attorne try, it but honestly then yo have to bring in all of th material that is available and that contradicts itself. but it is a political question that concerns, if a republican party and republican voter

believe what they are bein told by kevin mccarthy and tucker carlson, that creates a odd cultural moment where thei violence becomes really th potential for violence becomes more and more obvious. that is a dangerous moment her and it's why kevin mccarth should be scorn for what h just did >> on that note, juanita pressley and david, i need t vote to stick around because w have more politics to discuss. when we come, back republica governor ron desantis is setting the stage for presidential primary showdow with donald trump. desantis is ramping up his ant woke crusade but will it fly outside of the sunshi snetate my panel weighs in after the break. what's t what's the big deal? what's the big deal? ♪marching band music♪ ♪marching band music♪ i'll get a cart. get two! scotts daylawn saving is the biggest deal of the year.

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because then we are going to b living under an oppressive wok autocracy. and we can't let that happen so we say very clearly in th state of florida, we will figh the woke in the legislator, we will focus and i woke florida governor ro desantis hasn't yet announce his candidacy for president. but he is already believed t be former president donald trump's biggest republican rival in 2024. desantis spent this year i iowa, hawking his new book i the hawkeye state. and testing the waters for housing from his style o governing might translate into a national campaign. and never one to be upstaged

the former president lambasted desantis's visit in multiple social media posts all using the nickname ron desanctimonious. pretty catchy. trump has also set to visi iowa on monday just a few days after desantis so what does this tell us abou the looming showdown between two of the republican party' most famous faces? my political panel is back now hello once again to moniqu pressley and former congressma david jolly. monique, we have seen ro desantis implement things like the stop woke act in florida but how do you think desanti and his anti woke stance i going to play out nationally >> it is too soon to tell, frankly, melissa and we are seeing a dangerou sentiment across the country we are seeing people who are interested in this whole ant woke movement. but let's be clear, every time he says we will fight the woke he means we will fight the black every time he says wil fight look woke in the

legislator, he saying will fight the vote, we will figh civil, rights will fight liberal thinking we will fight women having a right to their bodies. and so using anti woke as tied word for this truly i just for the base because then it is that anything that the are against but is symbolize by it. so the issue really becomes ho many people across this countr will be so exhausted by trum and by all of his problems tha they will go to the next bes thing for their agenda i am not necessarily encourage by this new hampshire poll i think what matters as i wa just speaking to my cousin about it the people who are actuall going to go out and vote what do the boomers thing with us what do those hoof and 50 ar now think about this the people in my generatio think about this and i frankly have no clue right now. >> speaking of what the people want, a recent u.s. a toda ipsos poll found that 56% of americans actually have a very positive view of the term woke and they define it as bein

alert to social injustices that number actually includes third of republicans so only 49% of americans polle associated the term with being overly politically correct if that is the case, monique is an anti woke hysteria campaign the stuff of national presidential campaign >> not in and of itself, and i am so glad that you brought it up because if you think abou it, who wants to be anti woke. i mean, that means you are for being asleep, right? it is a little bit absurd. but we have seen, that if we look at the last two elections we see the fact that thi country is not going in th direction of donald trump. it is not going in the direction of a desantis. maybe he can get away with tha in florida, but i am not persuaded that the rest of the country is with him. but i have to go back to m original point i hated that this country keep disappointingly at the votin booth. between the suppression and th oppression, i don't want to sa that i know, but i would lik to believe the trends that w have seen the midterms and the

last general means that this i not what our country wants >> we will see, congressma jolly we have seen republicans who have publicly descende against donald trump being labeled as rhinos. republicans in name only and in some cases it is no just name-calling. they have actually lost thei reelection campaigns do you think that the growin interest in ron desantis signals that trump's hold on his party as weakening >> well run desantis represent trumpism two point oh. so it is not a huge distractio for the party. it is actually doubling down o the direction. i think there are a lot of people that are tired of donal trump the man who in politic voters behavior always suggest we want the next thing not the last thing so donald trump has some challenges there ron desantis clearly one of hi top competitors. but i want to see somethin about this anti woke campaign. because it will be a thing for ron desantis and sometimes in politics an media we are actually too slow to call it what it is. right when we talk about the

anti-democratic themes tha donald trump introduced we wer giving him too much equity a the start. this anti woke campaign, let's be honest, it is racist an homophobic and i think that democrati party and those of us in media who believe this wit conviction need to call it that it is racist ended his homophobic it is why ron desantis got awa with eliminating majorit minority districts hired an election police force to go arrest largely african american voters in the state o florida. it is why he is banning books, it is why he played theate with migrants. it is racist and homophobic at its core and if we are too slo to call it that, the anti woke movement will be a powerfu force for republicans in the 2024 election. and very well might propel the to victory, this is a moment for american culture to stan and say this and i woke feeder by republicans's racist and homophobic at its core >> a powerful point to and, on thank you so much, malik pressley and david jolly up next some governmen agencies support the theor

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intelligence on covid's origin that came one day after th house select subcommittee on the covid-19 pandemic held a hearing. when it was often marred b misinformation and allusions t conspiracy theories. all of this comes after th merge of the department of energy, they concluded with lo confidence that covid-19 was likely accidental, release from a lab rather than occurrin naturally. a finding that the chinese government claims is highl unlikely many covid conspiracy theorist treated the revelation as proo that there is been a governmen effort to conceal the origin of the virus from the public the department of energy i just one of eight -- investigating how and wher covid started. each coming to their own highl divided conclusions. so the department of energy' report is hardly the final say in the matter. in fact, we may not have a conclusive answer for years if ever in the wake of a deadly viru that upended the lives o billions of americans for years, what consequences could this

continued uncertainty over covid origins have the nationa level and at the global level? democratic congressman and member of the select committee on the coronavirus pandemi robert garcia joins me now congressman, as the unanimou votes in the house and the senate made clear, there i bipartisan interest in getting to the bottom of covid's origins. how do you respond to th narrative shared by some on th right that there is democratic conspiracy to conceal covid true origins >> yeah, i, mean that is jus of course insane first, obviously, both democrats and republicans want to get to the bottom of how th pandemic started it is devastating. we lost over 1 million americans. i personally lost both my mo and my stepdad to the pandemic very few people more than me i the congress know its impacts, so of course we want to come down and understand what the origins are. but unfortunately republican have turned his oversigh committee hearings into tinfoi have conspiracy theories and they have come up with all sorts of ideas and ways that

the government is out to get everybody. that really are not focused on the facts. and the truth is we do not know. there is no conclusive evidenc around the origins of covid. we have some ideas what we jus need to let the facts play themselves out >> i realize that your mothe and stepfather had perishe during the pandemic, i am very sorry for your loss. during your questioning in wednesday's hearings, you note that there will be futur pandemics. and in the years since the covid pandemic began we have seen rampant distrust of publi health institutions. how do we as a country begin t rebuild that trust before th next public health crisis? he especially in the face of s much misinformation? >> well one of the big dangers of course, has been kevi mccarthy, the selection of i he's even on the committee if you are putting marjori taylor greene on the selec committee of a pandemic who is literally a vaccine denier who attacks vaccines, wh attacks cdc and attacks th medical and science community. we are already off to a bad. start so as democrats and as

those on the committee tha actually want to get something done, we want to continue to put the facts. we have been focused o listening to facts and invitin good witnesses and most importantly pushing back on the lies every time that marjorie taylo greene or other members of the committee brought -- paul gosar and others star putting all of these lies abou misinformation about vaccine and the cdc end about pandemic origins. bring in the fox and i think that is what i really important for us to continue to push back. and you let the science and th medicine of doctors kind of go us and our decisions there will be another pandemic in this country and in the world. and we have got to d everything we can today to prevent it and get behind also the truth of the origins o covid-19 >> that is a sobering thought. the intelligence committee however remains very divided i its conclusions on the origins of covid-19. and again, none of these conclusions have been issued with high confidence do you think that th subcommittees hearings and the witnesses who have appeare before that subcommittee o accurately reflecting this

division >> i mean, listen, many of the subcommittee witnesses hav been partisan in folks that ar conspiracy theorists themselves folks that have written some insane theories in some of their books. so,, know the truth is that th chair of the committee, jame comey has really no interest i the truth. we have to understand that the pandemic was the single larges loss of life event that we hav experienced as a country in th modern era this is the serious an horrific tragedy and so we are inviting folks that are more interested i dividing the country asked witnesses, the subcommitte hearings become a circus and s has democrats we are trying to bring the truth every time i think they've done a genuinely good job of doing. that my hope is that the committee actually begins to focus on the real issues aroun pandemic prevention. -- supporting the cdc, funding ou medical hospital systems, thos are the issues that matter >> congressman robert garcia thank you for joining, us we

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history month with inspirational women across a vast array of achievement an experience our own to simone sander townsend recently spoke with actor an activist angelica ross, let's take a listen. >> the preamble to the constitution starts with the phrase we the people in orde to form a more perfect union now, at the time of our nation 's founding, if we only mean rich white men but throughout our history women often with women of colo have been at the forefront o working to expand the we

this woman's history month, in partnership with - know your value. on simone we are highlightin the very breaking an game-changing women who ar blazing new trails and expanding the definition of we right now. all through our series calle celebrating her story. today we are talking t angelica ross. a breakout role as candy ferocity in the it affects series pose made her a household name but it was angelica' determination and other -- sense of purpose that made her mobile most recently, ross made history with her turn as roxie art and the long running broadway revival of the musica chicago. becoming the first openl transgender actress to headlin a broadway show in the great white weighs nearly 300-year history. after teaching herself compute programming, ross also founded trans attack socia enterprises. it is a community designed t empower trans people through access to the tech sphere.

but for ross, she friends like this aren't simply credits o the resume, they represent her life's work. empowering trans people an other marginalized community a a time of incessant attacks on their very humanity. angelica ross joins me now to discuss that work while come to you miss ros okay, you made history wit chicago after playing a very vital role i think it is fair to sa broadening the media landscape for trans people in both fil and in television. so what did it feel like t take that mission from the screen to the stage? >> it just felt like affirmation. at the end of the day i am a actor, you know? i say actress, you know, jus because people aren't up on th lingo to be somewhat of feminist we say actor because it is a job. and a job that i feel i am qualified for. and it was just an affirmation to go from screen to broadwa and to have the audience affirm me every single night

for those full eight weeks o that performance >> it was absolutely amazing i hear you killed it in addition to your work i film, on television, and on th stage, you also founded tran tech social enterprises. can you just elaborate for our audience on why the tech spher can and frankly should be clear impact to empowering trans people and other marginalized communities >> for as long as i ca remember, i have been a part o communities who have had t create some kind of blueprin in order to navigate and survive america. when you belong to multipl identities where there is some sort of difficulty and navigating those systems a lot of times those have been hand me downs through, you know, my trans, mother those trans mothers. or through my black grandmothe in her grandmother and her grandmother. but through technology we have actually found a way to vastly open up that information and to share those ways to navigate a world that ha

become a lot more technical. so in this job field, really i doesn't have to matter what look, like what i sound like or any of these politics identity politics, if you ca do the work you can do i virtually no one really need to know what those identitie as long as you can actuall show up and do the work. >> you know, we talk about identity a lot on our show her and it is safe to say that the trans community just did not become under attack recently the community has been under attack at every level fo years. still, i wonder, how i angelica the person? how necessarily the role model but angelic at the person ho are you navigating that? >> i appreciate you for asking that it is quite shocking and jarring. i will admit to be of th identity that is under attack, and all of a sudden there is s much attention being paid to

your lives in which there wa no attention before when w were looking for help to acces housing or access health car or access employments. really a lot of his attentio has happened because of th education that we have bee trying to educate and advocate people to understand that we have already existed but befor we were saying all these thing we were still going to the bathroom, we were still in schools, we were still accessing health care an whatever ways we could so for me i am just taking a deep breath and i am countin my blessings i know that i haven't been created to enter the spaces of challenge and to model what it looks like to move through these challenging times. but also i just know that it doesn't matter what thes policies say or what they ar going to do, they are not goin to stop me or other tran people from existing >> it is the resiliency for me i think the last question have for you is that i think

you have been really clear and i love that you do not evaluat your success by the awards tha you have earned or the distinction that's yoshi eve though there are many. so how exactly do you evaluate your success, what is your message to folks >> my message to folks is just constantly understanding tha we all have some responsibility, you know, like barack obama at once said it is one not abou placing blame or taking blam but it is about taking responsibility and to take it a step further, my biggest mentors have taught me that responsibility means the ability to respond so taking this forward, what i want people to know that we al have to take responsibility fo the environment and the societ we find ourselves in and that some of us just have better ability to respond to these challenges, but just kno that you are going to be challenged called on to respon to these challenges in you life and the people in you

life and we are going to need you because that is how change happens by every one of us taking responsibility. >> angelica ross, who, i gre up back to sony pulse hear preaching like to pass the plane on the show. angelica, ross you are a barrier breaker my friend. a game changer and we celebrate you thi women's history month. thank you. >> courageous words of wisdo from angelica ross thank you so much for that discussion, simon. and thank you for watching symone on this saturday. i'm melissa murray, in for simon town sanderson, you ca catch her on msnbc weekends at 4 pm eastern and anytime ove on peacock where you find new episodes on the ems nbc -- behind the scenes video, follo someone on twitter and tiktok. politics nation with reveren al sharpton starts right after this break stay tuned for a special interview with manhattan d alvin bragg. oh! it's daylight saving time.

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