for today. i am alicia menendez i'll see back tomorrow at 6 pm eastern for more america voices but now for the first time ever, i get to hand it over to m friend, julián castro julián, it's so great to se you in that seat >> good to see you, my friend. i know, i am not usually in fo you. i am so happy to see you thanks a lot >> have a great show >> good evening and welcome to ayman. i am julián castro, in for ayman mohyeldin. breaking tonight, new word from the manhattan distric attorney, alvin bragg. why his focus into donald trum -- plus, the dominion votin system accuses fox o withholding information and it defamation lawsuit and fighting eight, with attacks on the trans community on the rise, a speak wit rupaul's drag race alum eureka o'hara, about the fight ahead. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪

tonight, we begin with breakin news it's all hands on deck this weekend, donald trump i huddling with a team of lawyer damar legault. this comes as nbc news learned that the ex president has been invited to testify before a ne york grand jury next week. it's part of the manhattan district attorney's years long investigation into hush plenty payments made for adult film star during trump's 2016 presidential run so, why does the ds offer have trump so spooked the invitation is why they received the a warning of criminal charges may b imminent had district attorney alvi bragg joined reverend sharpton a short time ago, and he appears to be keeping his card close to his vest. >> we have an active investigation. many observed last year that the trial of the trump organization, in some ways,

would say is the same team tha is working with the same typ of professionalism and rigor the same type of team on our active investigation i am concerned from saying anything more than that becaus i don't prejudice an investigation. >> a lawyer for trump told nbc news that they have, quote, no plans to meet in bragg's office no matter what the ex presiden decides to do next, it appears that we will be approachin uncharted political waters could donald trump make histor yet again and become the first former american president to b indicted joining me now to break all of this down, molly jong-fast host of the fast politic podcast and specia correspondent for vanity fai and cynthia alksne, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analysts thank you both for joining me. cynthia, i want to start wit you, what do you make of bragg's invitation to donald trump to come and testify?

there's a signal to you that charges are on the horizon >> yes, it definitely does i don't think trump will g testify. he does not even provide emails, he will certainly not go to grand jury and start talking i do not expect him to come. i think brad will go o television i don't think that is proper i think you should stay in his office and work, but it does seem to me that and indictment there is imminent. there is a confluence of all these events is overwhelming right now. we have an indictment that may be coming out of new york. we have an indictment in fulto county that looks like it is coming we have to each eco case to be tried in april, and we have th dominion suit which has a lo to do with trump and lies. it's an amazing legal avalanch on the shoulders of trump righ this minute. >> molly, we heard a familia refrain from donald trump, thi

time on truth social, claiming he did nothing wrong and the night he ever had an affai with stormy daniels. as i mentioned, he's now calle his lawyers down to florida to talk about possible lega strategies do you think the ex presiden is scared of where this coul be heading >> you know, i think it woul be reasonable to be scared o this because it's a lot of stuff. it's a bunch of different lega cases are coming to soon, and think there are a lot of legal implications that we have no even talked about what's happening with the documents case at the doj. i do think that there is a lot he has a lot of legal exposure and civil exposure which could -- but i don't think that it will hurt him i honestly think that his base is so dug into i don't think i will matter. he will say that this is the dna from new york, which is blue state, and these people

this is political, and it ha nothing to do what wha happened remember, he has done this stormy daniels dance before. he has every different defense and he will say it never happened you will remember the most recent stuff that he is th nine now i don't think it necessarily matters. i think his base is so dug in, that they will go along with anything >> cynthia, even if trump is indicted, convicting him o sending him to prison will b challenging for the a bragg. explain to us why this case is rather unique? >> well, first i would say i that probably to me, the mos important aspect of the case would be jury selection, because as molly says, as much about trump and even about - is baked in. people have their opinions and won't change picking a jury will be critical the case has problems.

michael cohen, who is the lead witness, is a liar he's a convicted liar. his book is titled revenge if you can't cross examine michael cohen on trump, yo don't belong in this business. that's a problem there are legal issues the case, you could say is fundamentally a misdemeanor, which could be increased to felony, depending on the way that is planned or properl played that is also a legal challenge it's a difficult position, and that is why i think a lot of legal observers, frankly, woul prefer the gravel meant of trump's this loyalty to th country by trying to overtur the election and the jack smit case and then using th department of justice. that is really what he did tha is a terrible, right that is the thing. he tried to overturn our

constitution in a violent way, and we are fit the battlin around with some booker who go paid that is not what makes him s dangerous to the country so, while i think this case is part of the avalanche, to me because it has problems, i car deeply about what jack smith i doing much more and what i happening in georgia much more than this case >> you are right this is a former president tha has a potential indictment coming in from different place and different states, but molly, i want to go back to you t speak about michael cohen, who is trump's former fixer an went to prison for his role in this hush money scandal. this is what he had to say about the possibility of trump testifying >> knowing donald as well as i do, understand that he does no

tell the truth it's one thing to turn aroun and lie on truth social. it's another take a turn aroun and lie before a grand jury, which i don't suspect that h will be coming >> while it appears unlikely that trump will face the grand jury, and pc news has no learned that cohen himself wil testify in front of a panel on monday we all know that cohen is complicated figure does his involvement help or hurt da bragg? >> you know, i think what is interesting about e -- [inaudible >> i think that we're having audio issues with molly. cynthia, let me ask you, doe this at all impact the other criminal investigations into donald trump, some of what you mentioned? >> i think all of the case interact with each other

not only the criminal cases bu the civil cases. let's say that you are a juror in the e g carroll case. and you've been chosen your inundated with messages right now about trump and this woman and lying and paying off people that impacts you it may impact the dominion vote everything is interrelated wit trump, but much of it, as my sense is baked in, so that i why i want to highlight th jury selection, because people make a decision -- have made their mind up abou trump. you don't know anybody who i like, i don't know, i had no decided yet. either you hate the guy or you love the guy that is just where we are as a country, so jury selection wil be really important and all th messages that are coming in, continue to reinforce what you think about trump. >> molly, your back. it was just last week that

trump said that he would not jump out of the 2024 race, i he was indicted. i want to remind our viewers what trump had to say abou hillary clinton back in 2016 >> if she were to win this election, it would create an unprecedented constitution crisis, and in that situation, we could very well have sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately in criminal trial >> molly, is trump set t create that unprecedente constitutional crisis he warne of >> yeah, absolutely. i think it's very likely tha you could see him do that or you could see him run if indicted i think it's likely that h will run even if he does not get the domination we have never seen trump eve take a step back and be like

oh, maybe i should not do this i think there is a likelihoo that people will run i indicted i think he will run if there i a trial. he will run if there is nomination if i were a republican, i'd be really worried about him running as a third party candidate. remember, he has refused t sign any utters pledges, and h continues to >> molly and cynthia, please stick around after the break, we will discuss the new revelations in the dominion voting system lawsuit aiagnst fox. ♪ ♪ ♪ hese glasses. yeah, it happens. that's why visionworks gives you 100 days to change your mind. it's simple. anything else i can help you with? like what? visionworks. see the difference. introducing new sweet and savory crepes. for a limited time, buy one, get one free. with five flavors that are delicious any time of day. only from ihop. download the app and earn free food with every order.

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in the dominion defamation lawsuit against fox. dominion voting systems and trio of media outlets are no accusing fox of abusing th production process and locking out more information tha warranted in recent cour filings. this new filing for the minute suggest that those redaction

may be concealing importan evidence in the case documents from that sue have already exposed the inne workings of foxes programmin and the political pressure campaign that went on behind the scenes according to the associate press, court records show ho fox, quote, became activel involved in politics instead o simply reporting or offering opinions about it. just take a look at this example from may 2018. that is one then president trump and senate majorit leader mitch mcconnell calle the fox chairman rupert murdoc to get the networks help i swinging a republican senate primary in west virginia murdaugh wrote that the to executives, quote, both trum and mcconnell are appealing fo help being an unelected former mine owner who served time on the day - might save the day that candidate, ended up losin the primary.

that same filing also expose eight other instance o murdoch's meddling, this tim in 2020. after they criticize republica senator lindsey graham, murdoc messaged the networks chie executive officer asking i sean hannity could pump up the senator who was facing, as you may remember, an extremely wel funded challenge from democrat jamie ursine murdoch wrote, quote, can sean say something supportive we can't lose the senate if at all possible molly and cynthia are back wit me now you, take a listen to the. look at that cynthia, first, i want you reaction to this court filin over redactions. fox six these reductions wer meant to conceal trade secrets such as the journals processes but is that a good enoug excuse >> well, it could be if it turns out to be true, but as you guys have said, we will si

back and find out. the guy -- the judge will rule by the 21s of march, and we will know honestly, i don't trust thes guys i am not going to be surprised if they are hiding things. although it is hard to believe after you read all of th revelations that have come out in the last, three weeks, that there is anything that is an worse, how could anything be any worse? this case is a disaster for fox, and i am convinced that they will lose it they deserve to lose it. >> molly, what do you make o murdoch's personal meddlin here how does the politicking by fo 's leaders pose a danger to ou democratic process >> let me first say the hell hath no fury like a voting machine company scorned. they are going to write this thing to the end, and good for them, their brand has been completely ruined by fox, an

they did nothing wrong i do think that this is sort o what you have -- there is a high bar fo defamation, but you can really see that they were actually to blame. i think a lot of us suspecte that this is what wa happening. again, anyone who's read about roger ailes knows that thi network is very tight with the republican party and always ha been i still think that there was a certain level of crave in this that i was surprised by, lik them going after certain candidates, trying to boost up lindsey graham the details of it, which are very damning the question is, what th people in the fox news bubbl ever see it, i am not convince that they will >> i always think about fox' tagline that it built itself u on, there and bounced, which always seems to be done with a wink i think folks suspected that they were in cahoots with th republican party but never had this kind of evidence before

cynthia, murdoch was als questioned over hi communication with jared kushner. he told dominion lawyers tha his correspondence with kushne over trump's debate performanc was, quote, advice for a frien and that is, quote, was not an advice from fox corporation or in my capacity at fox. does that defense hold any weight >> no, i mean, there have been some people who say that there should be a federal election commission violation, and i ha to say that i think the federa election commission to be mick when was the last time tha they did anything, really? half the time, they can't even make quorum. i don't think it will become o that it will just be part of this overall testimony. what is interesting and moll brings up is will the fo viewer see anything? i am hopeful that this is what happens with the damages first of all, there are no enough zeroes, number one. number two, the judge ca

fashion other remedies that he seems to be appropriate. i would suggest people think about the tobacco settlement because in the tobacco settlement, one of the thing required was this constant reporting that, in fact, tobacco is dangerous, tobacc is dangerous for babies, it' dangerous for pregnant women it's dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. they had to publish those ads, and i would hope that as par of the damage in this case when it is all set and done, part of that is on the fox new channel and other channels tha they are going to have to admi that this was a big lie, and they knew it was a big lie, an that they were willing and craven enough to just give people what they wanted to hear, even though they knew that i was neither remotely connected to the truth >> you are right it will be fascinating to se if it prevails, what those damages are, what the remedy is? molly, let's move on to tucker carlson. another set of court filings

show that on january 4th, 2021 carlson texted an unknow colleague, quote, we are ver close to being able to ignor trump most nights. i truly can't wait he went on to write, of trump, quote, i hate him passionately i can't handle much more o this clearly, that was a far cr from what we heard on air from tucker carlson how do you think the average fox viewer will react to thi text >> i think there's always been a lot of speculation of whethe or not tucker carlson is crave or does he believe what he i selling? i think a lot of us though that he did. this is pretty good proof that he does not actually believe what he is selling again, look, trump's their guy even though this or republican elites are trying t bait and switch desantis, thes people love trump. i do think that if some wa

you're able to pierce the medi bubble and get them to see tha tucker carlson does not love trump, they will be surprise but again, these people don' necessarily believe what the read they don't believe what they read in the media. they don't believe what they don't like fox has taught them that the don't have to believe the news that they don't like, so i could see that as a real problem. >> cynthia, every week, we learn more and more about this defamation case. as we know, definition is th towards the heart to prove in court of law, but as mor information comes out, do yo think dominion will actually succeed here >> yes, i do i think it is shocking how muc has come out if there is more that is hidden, and it comes out on the 21st that will add to it. even if nothing else comes out i think dominion will. i think that they will, ther

are not enough zeroes, as i've said, on this case i believe they will suffocat the fox news channel, the fo channel. >> cynthia alksne, thank you molly jong-fast, i know yo will stick around, and i wil be talking to you later in thi hour but first, combatting hate next, jack icon and tran activists eureka o'hara join me live to discuss the fight t protect queer communities. for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ hey, man. nice pace! clearly, you're a safe driver. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need!

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>> puck tracked performances are now against the law in tennessee. the state's republican governo bill lee signed a first of its kind bill prohibiting drag shows on public property or an location where they can be viewed by minors the bill specifically bans quote, adult cabaret

entertainment, such as topless dancers, go go dancers, exotic dancers, strippers, male o female impersonators or simila entertainers not only does this languag paint drag as overtly sexual which it is not, activists war that the wording outlying male or female impersonators also puts trans people at risk of being punished for merel existing in public here is the thing, this is not just a tennessee problem lawmakers in more than a dozen other states, including my hom state of texas, west virgini and nebraska, have propose legislature that was some earl to attract joining me now is eureka o'hara, a tennessee native, ajax performer and former contestan on rupaul's drag race. she is also a trans activist and the producer and star of hbo's, we're here. eureka, thank you for joinin me what does this new tennessee

law due to the drag and lgbt community here >> i think, honestly, what i does is instill fear in us which society as continued t do to the jeep taku community. it's also handed us from being successful and allowing people to experience our, which pushe equality and pushe representation jacqueline will always be at the front and forefront of queer activism at the stonewall riots, it's known that drag queen throug the first stone. >> how dangerous does this law make it for drag performers an a trans people to just exist there in tennessee >> i really appreciate tha question because what it does, it actually support people they are discriminatory an have a big hit mindset and the way that they feel validated because someone with a positio

of power, such as someone we vote into office, is basically sexualizing our existence an also tearing it down t stripper notoriety, which take away all our hard work that lot of us put into creat equality and love and to creat families for ourselves, where, a lot of times, people don't have that to exist or coexis or even learn how to become th adult they should be >> i know based on your life experience and your activism that you have a unique perspective on this. you're originally from eastern tennessee. do you feel safe in your hom state these days >> no, i never felt truly safe as soon as i was able to run t california, i did because actually detransition earlie in my 20s out of fear, o trauma and abuse i receive from that social moral code in

society. until recently, i actually did not come out fully as trends because i did not believe that i would be safe or have succes in my life luckily, drag is what made m have confidence to be able t do that. that's why i sit here and spea for all of my community when i say that our intention is neve to harm children our intention is to speak to those little queer childre that were like we were at th age that need representation and visibility and to se people like them, or us they will be lost, and it will push them down a dark path. that is what we should b afraid of more than drag queen appearing in public. >> we know that tennessee is one of many states right now trying to ban drag performance and trans health care as well. in fact, according to th trevor project's nationa survey, 90% of transgender and

non-binary you'd say tha they're worried about bein done and access to gende medical care due to state or local laws how concerned should we all be about this >> honestly, not only is i taking away parental rights to raise their children and t bring diversity into their homes and their existence, but also, it's taken away th opportunity for someone at a young age to truly discover if they are i can tell you all from a very very - honesty, the very firs thoughts of who i was as a person, i always felt differen from the people around me. i never felt like i belonged and it was never because i was queer are gay or, quote unquote, f a g. it was because of my gender. it was because of what the were caught me as. i know from personal experience, that it could be traumatizin to that existence. it could be harmful to the l o these children they are also demanding fo people on these children to be

all of the h artist there pete day went on in an aggressive pattern, which is not health either this is also a medical issue like i don't understand how yo can take away the rights o people being able to provide medically and make parenta decisions for our own children as well as outlawing decisions as well. it's really scary and harmfu to the children and other quee kids or anyone who wants to be different from society >> on thursday, you announce that you've officially bee able to legally change you name and gender marker first of all, congratulations. >> thank you so much >> yeah and talk to me about that moment and what it mean for you, especially as the lgbtq community faces attack from all sides >> it was extremely exciting i was overwhelmed with - because i never thought in 1

million years that i would eve see my living societ acknowledge me for who i reall am which is powerful. i feel like it gave me the fir i needed because i still fee in tennessee, there are marker changes on documents that need to be able to thrive an except that change, where ther are law still in place that ar going to restrict me from bein able to have those documents t live successfully. i am hoping that once i di that, that is keeping one of the states to have those restrictions, on wor significance, social securit alterations, things like that. someone who gets married, so o and so forth, there are al these issues i think there is a, there is just a underlying negativity around being trans or gender nonconforming, any type of gender expression that is no of the social norms or binary. it's harmful to society and ou

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state of texas after being denied abortions despite serious risks to their health. they are asking the court to clarify under which conditions abortions are allowed and to affirm the exceptions. the abortion ban does allow fo exceptions when a physicia determines there is substantial harm to a pregnant woman. but the law is so vague that i has doctors scared fro offering care in these dir situations so much so that all five women who were part of this lawsui had to leave the state for waiting until they wer seriously ill to be treated. that included the plaintiff wh was forced to fly to texas t colorado to receive an abortio after her water broke. after just 19 weeks. >> people who think overturnin roe will not affect them eithe because they cannot ge pregnant or would never choose an abortion need to know wha is going on because of these lies believe me, you never know whe you, or someone you love wil need one

the state of texas says that they want to preserve life b banning safe, legal abortions. but i have never felt my lif mattered less than it di during this situation. >> joining me now is doctor -- ob/gyn and president and ceo o physicians for reproductiv health he's also back with us thank you both for joining me. let's start with you, thes five women described painful and dramatic experiences because they were not able t receive the care that they needed as a physician, talk to us a bit about the serious medical consequences tha people face in these positions >> absolutely, thank you s much for having me let me begin by saying clearly that this is not medicine. this is not care this is not the right way to take care of people. it is not what i train for 1

years in medical school, fellowship to do when we think about what i means to access reproductive health care in this country an what folks with the capacity for pregnancy in texas are facing we know that it is just the tip of the iceberg and w will continue to see these cases spread out around th country as the attacks on ou health, our rights, our agency our autonomy continue. and it is dangerous. it is not just inconvenient to have to travel where many people traveling is dangerous. accessing care in the communit is unsafe. >> in another lawsuit out of texas, a man is suing thre women under the state' wrongful death statute for allegedly helping his no ex-wife attainable russian pills. what do you make of this lawsuit? >> this is what they originall

wanted this idea that you could the go after women who were just trying to deal with their ow medical situations and you could then to the people this is really appalling i think it is important to realize that a lot of thes statutes were not written to ever be enacted. they were just written in this very vague way but then when they got past, because people were no interested in making sure that women's lives are protected. and if you look back on roe v. wade, you can see that it wa decided so broadly because doctors were truly afraid to treat women. and we had these women who are not able to get treatment. treatment can mean all sorts o things this really does targe pregnant women because if you have miscarriage or you nee treatment you cannot get it in the states with abortion bans. >> we are also still waiting for a court decision out o

texas that could ban the abortion pill. it was approved by the fda ove 20 years ago how can that - how with that decision impac medical portions >> that decision is going to impact reproductive health car across the board medication abortion or otherwise. we use this in a number of different capacities in gynecological care. certainly an abortion care als in the management of miscarriage and taking care of folks with experience loss so the reverse of the approval is going to have devastating effects on our ability to care for our communities. we have a long history knowing -- knowing that it is safe. it is affective. this is not about safety o efficacy in the medication, it is about control and a desir to eliminate access to abortio

and we have seen the way i plays out one abortion i restricted it is long reachin consequences for our health, our families, and for ou futures. >> molly, we know that pharmacies have also bee appointed a debate, so w announced that the state wil not renew its contract wit walgreens after walgreen announced they would not dispensable russian pills. this comes after a group o republican attorney generals threatened lawsuits agains pharmacies could we see more state leader follow california's lead o this >> i think we are going to see that these pharmacies are going t follow the law they were supposed to solv this, they don't want to sel this because they are afraid o republican lawsuits, or becaus they just don't want to help women. i think that devin newsome i totally right. we are consumers, we do no have to patronize businesses that do not respect our values

that is capitalism conservatives are always so ma about that but that is one o the ideas, of capitalism, wh should pharmacies have refused to give a legal medicine t women on their own, weir religious grounds be, wh should the state subscribe t that that is crazy. i think he's absolutely doin the right thing and remember california is the larges economy. a huge with a lot of money they should vote with thei wallet >> it will be fascinating to watch what impact it may hav on not only walgreens, but other pharmacies whether it is cvs, or rite aid, or others. new york governor, kathy hochul, and new york attorney general, sent a letter to pharmacy ceos asking for their commitment to make abortion pills availabl in store and by mail order your thoughts on just ho crucial pharmaceutical companies are right now fo abortion access? >> it is a point of entry fo

many of the communities that w care for well i understand the intentio behind governor newsom's actio and certainly support it, for lot of reasons, i think it i also important to understand that when we eliminate acces in pharmacy is whether it is because of a decision that a state by california has made o a decision that the individual pharmacies made not to serve our communities, the folks tha suffer are not people who ca just travel to different neighborhoods and pick up thei medications. it is a really big deal not to carry medications and not to have access in your ow neighborhood we know the folks that are mor likely to be impacted by these restrictions whether it is the fda ruling, or the lawsuits in texas, they are people who are already marginalized from care so when we do not have pharmacies and our community center providing the same care that folks get in othe neighborhoods, in other states

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silicon valley executives, folks with a lot of assets and the bank, over 250, 000, on th insurance. the bank itself ha unfortunately funded itself, particularly a lot of th deposits, and bought assets. i don't want to get to complicated for viewers in the weeds of this, but they bought a lot of them. the offense started raisin interest rates at which caused the value of their bonds to go down, because people do no want to buy bonds with highe rates. all of a sudden people got win of that, thought the money was in danger, and they started to dig it out once that started, and rumor started flying on twitter an elsewhere, this is very high tech, they all rush to get money out. by that time, the bank was unstoppable and the fbi had to step in, take it over, cut the losses, and figure out what to do next. the problem really lies in the nature of the assets i don't know why they did it

why they had all of these bond to start raising interest rates, but they had capital, a bi loss, everybody panicked and that was the end of it >> another part of thi equation is who the customer of this particular bank were it didn't look like any bank - silicon valley bank, how hig number of start of clients but our market's going to view silicon valley bank as jus representative of silico valley overall what do you see as the wider impact here? >> well, hopefully the wider impact is limited by the fac that it has now been taken over, and my assessment is probabl that in the receiver process another bank will see th assets and everyone will b made aware i think it does not look great for silicon valley in general. i don't think it calls int question some of the more soli

start-ups, and they will still get money, and get investors and may bring in the questio as crypto did in the crush o crypto whether there is to much floating around two great companies, and the great offset. we have had some of it in th crypto space we will see more of it but i don't think that i really gained that much over all for the banking industry frankly. this has been an orderly process now. people under two and 50,000 ge all of their money back. i guess that it is over that amount, we will eventually get their money back and prior t the federal bailout. right now it is bad, and there should be more regulator oversight. but it is not catastrophic o systemic at this point >> the 30 seconds that i hav left, investors like mark cuba are now calling on the federal reserve that date will step in and buy the debt is that realistic? >> no. it is not realistic or a goo

idea at this point that might have been useful as they were trying to survive, i they stepped in and try to hel them but they are perfectly, yo know, attractive as a buyer, s we do not need to build them out. there will be a free marke solution to this, i believe. >> ben white, thank you so much. the second hour of a-coming up in just a moment stick around after advil. let's dive in. but, what about your back? it's fine. before advil. advil, dual action bites, pain, two ways. advil targets pain at the source. acetaminophen blocks, pain signals, advil, dual action. hey, man. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance. so you only pay for what you need! whoo! we gotta go again. only pay for what you need.

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