you're a bunch of pussies. >> good evening and welcome to ayman. i am julián castro, in for ayman mohyeldin. breaking tonight, new word from the manhattan distric attorney, alvin bragg. why his focus into donald trum -- plus, the dominion votin system accuses fox o withholding information and it defamation lawsuit and fighting eight, with attacks on the trans community on the rise, a speak wit rupaul's drag race alum eureka o'hara, about the fight ahead. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪

tonight, we begin with breakin news it's all hands on deck this weekend, donald trump i huddling with a team of lawyer down at mar-a-lago this comes as nbc news learned that the ex president has been invited to testify before a ne york grand jury next week. it's part of the manhattan district attorney's years long investigation into hush plenty payments made for adult film star during trump's 2016 presidential run so, why does the da offer have trump so spooked the invitation is why they received the a warning of criminal charges may b imminent manhattan district attorne alvin bragg joined reveren sharpton a short time ago, and he appears to be keeping his cards close to his vest. >> we have an active investigation. many observed last year that the trial of the trump organization, in some ways, would say is the same team tha

is working with the same typ of professionalism and rigor the same type of team on our active investigation i am constrained from saying anything more than that becaus i don't prejudice an investigation. >> a lawyer for trump told nbc news that they have, quote, no plans to meet in bragg's office no matter what the ex presiden decides to do next, it appears that we will be approachin uncharted political waters could donald trump make histor yet again and become the first former american president to b indicted joining me now to break all of this down, molly jong-fast host of the fast politic podcast and specia correspondent for vanity fai and cynthia alksne, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analysts thank you both for joining me. cynthia, i want to start wit you, what do you make of bragg 's invitation to donald trum to come and testify?

there's a signal to you that charges are on the horizon >> yes, it definitely does i don't think trump will g testify. he does not even provide emails, he will certainly not go to grand jury and start talking i do not expect him to come. i think brad will go o television i don't think that is proper i think you should stay in his office and work, but it does seem to me that and indictment there is imminent. there is a confluence of all these events is overwhelming right now. we have an indictment that may be coming out of new york. we have an indictment in fulto county that looks like it is coming we have the eeg carroll case which we tried and april, an we have the dominion suit whic has a lot to do with trump and lies it's an amazing legal avalanch on the shoulders of trump righ this minute. >> molly, we heard a familia refrain from donald trump, thi time on truth social, claiming

he did nothing wrong and the night he ever had an affai with stormy daniels. as i mentioned, he's now calle his lawyers down to florida to talk about possible lega strategies do you think the ex presiden is scared of where this coul be heading >> you know, i think it woul be reasonable to be scared o this because it's a lot of stuff. it's a bunch of different lega cases are coming to soon, and think there are a lot of legal implications that we have no even talked about what's happening with the documents case at the doj. i do think that there is a lot he has a lot of legal exposure and civil exposure which could be money but i don't think that it will hurt him i honestly think that his base is so dug into i don't think i will matter. he will say that this is the claudette dna from new york,

which is a blue state, and these people, this is political, and it has nothing to do wha what happened. remember, he has done this stormy daniels dance before. he has every different defense and he will say it never happened you will remember the most recent stuff that he is th denying it now i don't think it necessarily matters. i think his base is so dug in, that they will go along with anything >> cynthia, even if trump is indicted, convicting him o sending him to prison will b challenging for the a bragg. explain to us why this case is rather unique? >> well, first i would say i that probably to me, the mos important aspect of the case would be jury selection, because as molly says, as much about trump and even about - is baked in. people have their opinions and won't change picking a jury will be critical

the case has problems. michael cohen, who is the lead witness, is a liar he's a convicted liar. his book is titled revenge if you can't cross examine michael cohen on trump, yo don't belong in this business. that's a problem there are legal issues the case, you could say is fundamentally a misdemeanor, which could be increased to felony, depending on the way that is pled and properly pled that is also a legal challenge it's a difficult position, and that is why i think a lot of legal observers, frankly, woul prefer the gravel meant of trump's this loyalty to th country by trying to overtur the election and the jack smit case and then using th department of justice. that is really what he did tha is a terrible, right that is the thing. he tried to overturn our constitution in a violent way,

and we are fit the battlin around with some booker who go paid that is not what makes him s dangerous to the country so, while i think this case is part of the avalanche, to me because it has problems, i car deeply about what jack smith i doing much more and what i happening in georgia much more than this case >> you are right this is a former president tha has a potential indictment coming in from different place and different states, but molly, i want to go back to you t speak about michael cohen, who is trump's former fixer an went to prison for his role in this hush money scandal. this is what he had to say about the possibility of trump testifying >> knowing donald as well as i do, understand that he does no tell the truth

it's one thing to turn aroun and lie on truth social. it's another take a turn aroun and lie before a grand jury, which i don't suspect that h will be coming >> while it appears unlikely that trump will face the grand jury, nbc news has now learned that cohen himself will testif in front of a panel on monday. we all know that cohen is complicated figure does his involvement help or hurt da bragg? >> you know, i think what is interesting about e -- [inaudible >> i think that we're having audio issues with molly. cynthia, let me ask you, doe this at all impact the other criminal investigations into donald trump, some of what you mentioned? >> i think all of the case interact with each other not only the criminal cases bu

the civil cases. let's say that you are a juror in the e g carroll case. and you've been chosen your inundated with messages right now about trump and this woman and lying and paying off people that impacts you it may impact the dominion vote everything is interrelated wit trump, but much of it, as moll says, is baked in, so that i why i want to highlight th jury selection, because people make a decision -- have made their mind up abou trump. you don't know anybody who i like, i don't know, i had no decided yet. either you hate the guy or you love the guy that is just where we are as a country, so jury selection wil be really important and all th messages that are coming in, continue to reinforce what you think about trump. >> molly, your back. it was just last week that

trump said that he would not jump out of the 2024 race, i he was indicted. i want to remind our viewers what trump had to say abou hillary clinton back in 2016 >> if she were to win this election, it would create an unprecedented constitution crisis, and in that situation, we could very well have sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately in criminal trial >> molly, is trump set t create that unprecedente constitutional crisis he warne of >> yeah, absolutely. i think it's very likely tha you could see him do that or you could see him run if indicted i think it's likely that h will run even if he does not get the nomination we have never seen trump eve

take a step back and be like oh, maybe i should not do this i think there is a likelihoo where he will run if indicted. i think he will run if there i a trial. he will run if he does not windy not mission. if i were a republican, i'd be really worried about him running as a third party candidate. remember, he has refused t sign any attached budget is, and he continues to. >> molly and cynthia, please stick around after the break, we will discuss the new revelations in the dominion voting system lawsuit against fox. ♪ ♪ ♪ #1 isn't a status earned overnight. it's earned in every wash, and re-earned every day. tide. america's #1 detergent.

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in the dominion defamation lawsuit against fox. dominion voting systems and trio of media outlets are no accusing fox of abusing th reduction process and blocking out more information tha warranted in recent cour filings. this new filing from dominio may suggest that those redactions may be concealing

important evidence in the case documents from that suit hav already exposed the inne workings of foxes programmin and the political pressure campaign that went on behind the scenes according to the associate press, court records show ho fox, quote, became activel involved in politics instead o simply reporting or offering opinions about it. just take a look at this example from may 2018. that is when then presiden trump and senate majorit leader mitch mcconnell calle the fox chairman rupert murdoc to get the networks help i swinging a republican senate primary in west virginia murdoch wrote this note to top executives, quote, both trum and mcconnell are appealing fo how to be an unelectable forme mine owner who served time anything during the day migh be helpful but with sean and laura -- that candidate, ended up losin the primary. that same filing also expose

another instance of murdoch' meddling, this time in 2020. after they criticize republica senator lindsey graham, murdoc messaged the networks chie executive officer asking i sean hannity could pump up the incumbent senator who wa facing, as you may remember, a extremely well funded challeng from democrat jamie ursine murdoch wrote, quote, can sean say something supportive we can't lose the senate if at all possible molly and cynthia are back wit me now take a listen to that. look at that cynthia, first, i want you reaction to this court fight over redactions. fox said these redactions were meant to conceal trade secrets such as the journals processes but is that a good enoug excuse >> well, it could be if it turns out to be true, but as you guys have said, we will be

fixing to find out, right? the judge will rule by the 21s of march, and we will know honestly, i don't trust thes guys i am not going to be surprised if they are hiding things. although it is hard to believe after you read all of th revelations that have come out in the last, three weeks, that there is anything that is an worse, how could anything be any worse? this case is a disaster for fox, and i am convinced that they will lose it they deserve to lose it. >> molly, what do you make o murdoch's personal meddlin here how does the politicking b fox's leaders pose a danger to our democratic process >> let me first say the hell hath no fury like a voting machine company scorned. they are going to write this thing to the end, and good for them, their brand has been completely ruined by fox, an they did nothing wrong i do think that this is sort o

why you have - we there is a high bar for defamation, but you can really see that they were actuall defamed. i think a lot of us suspecte that this is what wa happening. again, anyone who's read about roger ailes knows that thi network is very tight with the republican party and always ha been i still think that there was a certain level of crave in this that i was surprised by, lik them going after certain candidates, trying to boost up lindsey graham the details of it, which are very damning the question is, what th people in the fox news bubbl ever see it, i am not convince that they will >> i always think about fox' tagline that it built itself u on, fair and balance, whic always seems to be done with a wink i think folks suspected that they were in cahoots with th republican party but never had this kind of evidence before cynthia, murdoch was als questioned over hi communication with jared kushner.

he told dominion lawyers tha his correspondence with kushne over trump's debate performanc was, quote, advice from friend and the it, quote, wa not and advice from fo corporation or in my capacit at fox does that defense hold any weight >> no, i mean, there have been some people who say that there should be a federal election commission violation, and i ha to say that i think the federa election commission to be weak when was the last time tha they did anything, really? half the time, they can't even get quorum i don't think it will become o that it will just be part of this overall testimony. what is interesting and moll brings up is will the fo viewer see anything? i am hopeful that this is what happens with the damages first of all, there are no enough zeroes, number one. number two, the judge ca fashion other remedies that he seems to be appropriate.

i would suggest people think about the tobacco settlement because in the tobacco settlement, one of the thing required was this constant reporting that, in fact, tobacco is dangerous, tobacc is dangerous for babies, it' dangerous for pregnant women it's dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. they had to publish those ads, and i would hope that as par of the damage in this case when it is all set and done, part of that is on the fox new channel and other channels tha they are going to have to admi that this was a big lie, and they knew it was a big lie, an that they were willing and craven enough to just give people what they wanted to hear, even though they knew that i was neither remotely connected to the truth >> you are right it will be fascinating to se if dominion prevails, what those damages are, what th remedy is? molly, let's move on to tucker carlson. another set of court filings show that on january 4th, 2021

carlson texted an unknow colleague, quote, we are ver close to being able to ignor trump most nights. i truly can't wait he went on to write, of trump, quote, i hate him passionately i can't handle much more o this clearly, that was a far cr from what we heard on air from tucker carlson how do you think the average fox viewer will react to thi text >> i think there's always been a lot of speculation of whethe or not tucker carlson is crave or does he believe what he i selling? i think a lot of us thought he didn't this is pretty good proof that he does not actually believe what he is selling again, look, trump's their guy even though this sort of republican elite are trying to bait and switch desantis, thes people love trump. i do think that if some wa you're able to pierce the medi

bubble and get them to see tha tucker carlson does not love trump, they are going to b kind of surprised. but again, these people don' necessarily believe what the read they don't believe what they read in the media. they don't believe what they don't like fox has taught them that the don't have to believe the news that they don't like, so i could see that as a real problem. >> cynthia, every week, we learn more and more about this defamation case. as we know, definition is th notoriously hard to prove in a court of law, but as mor information comes out, do yo think dominion will actually succeed here >> yes, i do i think it is shocking how muc has come out if there is more that is hidden, and it comes out on the 21st that will add to it. even if nothing else comes out i think dominion will. i think that they will, ther are not enough zeroes, as i've said, on this case i believe they will suffocat

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entertainers not only does this languag paint drag as overtly sexual which it is not, activists warrant that the fake wordin at lying male or femal impersonators also puts tran people at risk of bein punished for merely existing i public here is the thing, this is not just a tennessee problem lawmakers in more than a dozen other states, including my hom state of texas, west virgini and nebraska, have propose measures that would similarl restrict drag. joining me now is eureka o'hara, a tennessee native, a drag performer and former contestan on rupaul's drag race. she is also a trans activist and the producer and star of hbo's, we're here. eureka, thank you for joinin me what does this new tennessee law due to the drag and lgbt community here >> i think, honestly, what i

does is instill fear in us which society has continued to do to the lgbtq community. it's also handed us from being successful and allowing people to experience our art, which pushes equality and pushes representation drag queen's have always bee at the front and forefront o queer activism at the stonewall riots, it's none that a drag queen through the first stone. >> how dangerous does this law make it for drag performers an a trans people to just exist there in tennessee >> i really appreciate tha question because what it does, it actually support people they are discriminatory an have a big hit mindset in a wa that they feel validated because someone with a positio of power, such as someone we vote into office, is basically

sexualizing our existence an also tearing it down t stripper notoriety, which take away all our hard work that lot of us put into creat equality and love and to creat families for ourselves, where, a lot of times, people don't have that to exist or coexis or even learn how to become th adult they should be >> i know based on your life experience and your activism that you have a unique perspective on this. you're originally from eastern tennessee. do you feel safe in your hom state these days >> no, i never felt truly safe as soon as i was able to run t california, i did because actually detransition earlie in my 20s out of fear, o trauma and abuse i receive from that social moral code in society. until recently, i actually did not come out fully as tran

because i did not believe that i would be safe or have succes in my life luckily, drag is what made m have confidence to be able t do that. that's why i sit here and spea for all of my community when i say that our intention is neve to harm children our intention is to speak to those little queer childre that were like we were at th age that need representation and visibility and to se people like them, or else they will be lost, and it will push them down a dark path. that is what we should b afraid of more than drag queen appearing in public. >> we know that tennessee is one of many states right now trying to ban drag performance and trans health care as well. in fact, according to th trevor project's nationa survey, 90% of transgender and non-binary you'd say tha they're worried about being th

night access to gender affirming medical care due t state or local laws. how concerned should we all be about this >> honestly, not only is i taking away parental rights to raise their children and t bring diversity into their homes and their existence, but also, it's taken away th opportunity for someone at a young h to truly discover wh they are i can tell you all from a very very - honesty, the very firs thoughts of who i was as a person, i always felt differen from the people around me. i never felt like i belonged and it was never because i was queer are gay or, quote unquote, f a g. it was because of my gender. i did not feel like the bo that they were calling me as i know from personal experience, that it could be traumatizin to that existence. it could be harmful to the hel of these children. they are also demanding fo people on these children to be off of that itch are t therapy

that they've been on, which is an aggressive pattern, which i not about the either this is also a medical issue like i don't understand how yo can take away the rights o people being able to provide medically and make parenta decisions for our own children as well as outlawing decisions as well. it's really scary and harmfu to the children and other quee kids or anyone who wants to be different from society >> on thursday, you announce that you've officially bee able to legally change you name and gender marker first of all, congratulations. >> thank you so much >> yeah and talk to me about that moment and what it mean for you, especially as the lgbtq community faces attack from all sides >> it was extremely exciting i was overwhelmed with - happy tears because i neve thought in one million years that i would ever see my livin society acknowledge me for who

i really am. which is powerful. i feel like it gave me the fir i needed and i still fear in tennessee, there are marke changes on documents that need to be able to thrive even though i was accepted in tha change, where there are la still in place that are goin to restrict me from being able to have those documents to liv successfully i am hoping that i could fight that, being in tennessee, on of the states, to have restrictions, on socia security alterations, things like that. someone who gets married, so o and so forth, there are al these issues i think there is a, there is just a underlying negativity around being trans or gender nonconforming, any type of gender expression that is no of the social norms or binary. it's harmful to the progressio of our society and our youth especially, at the diversity level, that is at today becaus they are discovering who the

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clarify under which conditions abortions are allowed and to affirm the exceptions. texas abortion ban does allow fo exceptions when a physicia determines there is substantial harm to a pregnant woman. but the law is so vague that it has doctors scared fro offering care in these dir situations. so much so that al five women who were part o this lawsuit had to we have to stay or wait until they were seriously ill to be treated. that included plaintiffs ann -- who was forced to flight fro texas to colorado to receive a abortion after her water broke after just 19 weeks. >> people who think overturnin roe will not affect them eithe because they cannot ge pregnant or would never choose an abortion need to know wha is going on because of these lies. believe me, you neve know when you, or someone yo love will need one. the stat of texas says that they want t preserve life by banning safe,

legal abortions. but i hav never felt my life mattere less than it did during this situation. >> joining me now is doctor -- ob/gyn and president and ceo o physicians for reproductiv health. molly jong-fast is als back with us thank you both for joining me. doctor, let's start with you now, these five women describe painful and traumati experiences because they wer not able to receive the care that they needed as a physician, talk to us a bit about the serious medica consequences that people fac in these positions >> absolutely, thank you s much for having me. let me begin by saying clearly that this is not medicine. this i not care. this is not the righ way to take care of people. it is not what i train for 15 years in medical school, fellowship to do. when we thin about what it means to acces

reproductive health care i this country and what folk with the capacity for pregnanc in texas are facing we kno that it is just the tip of the iceberg and we will continue t see these cases spread out around the country as th attacks on our health, our rights, our agency, ou autonomy continue. and it is dangerous. it is not jus inconvenient to have to travel where many people traveling is dangerous. the inability t access care in our community i unsafe >> molly, in a another lawsuit of texas, a man is suing three women under the state' wrongful death statute for allegedly helping his no ex-wife obtain abortion pills. what do you make of this lawsuit? >> this is what they originall wanted with sb8. this idea that you could the

go after women who were just trying to deal with their ow medical situations and you could then sued the people tha helped her this is really appalling. think it is important to realize that a lot of thes statutes were not written to ever be enacted. they were jus written in this very vague way and then when they got past, these people or not so interested in making sure that women's lives are protected. and if you look back on roe v. wait, the original 197 decision, you can see that i was decided so broadly because doctors were truly afraid to treat women. and we had thes women who are not able to ge treatment. treatment can mea all sorts of things. thi really does target pregnan women. because if you have a miscarriage or you nee treatment you cannot get it in the states with abortion bans. >> dr., we are also stil waiting for a court decision out of texas that could ban th abortion pill. it was approved by the fda over 20 years ago

how can that -- how would that decision impact medica abortions? >> that decision is going to impact reproductive health car across the board. medication abortion or otherwise. we us this in a number of differen capacities. in gynecological care. certainly an abortio care also in the management of miscarriage and taking care of folks with experience loss. so the reverse of the approval is going to have devastatin effects on our ability to care for our communities. we have a long history knowing every search, knowing that it is safe. it is effective. this is not about safety o efficacy in the medication, it is about control and a desir to eliminate access to abortio and we have seen the way i plays out when abortion is restricted it is long reachin consequences for our health,

our families, and for ou futures. >> molly, we know that pharmacies have been a pointed the bay. governor newsom has announce that it will not renew its contract with walgreens afte walgreens announced they would not dispensable shin pills this comes after a group o republican attorney generals threatened lawsuits agains pharmacies. could we see mor state leaders follow california's lead on this? >> i think we are going to see that. these pharmacies are refusing to follow the law they were supposed to sell it, but they don't want to say i because they are afraid of republican lawsuits or because they don't want to help women. i think that gavin newsom is totally right. look, we are consumers, we don't have to patroniz businesses that don't respec our values that is capitalism conservatives are always so ma about that but that is one o the ideas, of capitalism, wh

should pharmacies who have refused to give legal medicine to women on there own, weird religious grounds be, wh should the state subscribe t that? that is crazy. i think he's absolutely doing the righ thing and remember, california is the fifth largest economy they are a huge day with a hug with a lot of money, the should vote with their wallet. >> indeed, it will b fascinating to watch wha impact it may have on not only walgreens, but other pharmacie whether it is cvs, or rite aid or others. doctor, new yor governor, kathy hochul, and ne york attorney general, but tisha james, sent a letter t pharmacy ceos asking for their commitment to make abortio pills available in store and b mail order. your thoughts on just how crucial pharmaceutica companies are right now fo abortion access? >> it is a point of entry fo many of the communities that w care for. while, i understan

the intention behind governo newsom's action and certainl support it, for a lot of reasons, i think it is als important to understand that when we eliminate access i pharmacies, whether it i because of a decision that a state by california has made o a decision that the individual pharmacies made not to serve our communities, the folks tha suffer are not people who ca just travel to different neighborhoods and pick up thei medications. it is a really bi deal not to carry medication and not to have access in your own neighborhood. we know th folks that are more likely t be impacted by these restrictions whether it is the fda ruling, or the lawsuits in texas, they are people who are already marginalized from care so when we do not have pharmacies and our community center providing the same care that folks get in othe neighborhoods, in other states and other zip codes, and our care continues and our healt

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000, on the insurance. the ban itself had unfortunately funde itself, particularly a lot o the deposits, and bought assets. i don't want to get to complicated for viewers in the weeds of this, but they bought a lot of them. the offense started raising interest rates at which caused the value of their bonds to go down, becaus people do not want to buy bond with higher rates. all of sudden people got wind of that thought the money was in danger, and they started to dig it out once that started, and rumor started flying on twitter an elsewhere, this is very high tech, they all rush to get money out. by that time, the bank was unstoppable and the fbi had to step in, take i over, cut the losses, an figure out what to do next. th problem really lies in the nature of the assets. i don' know why they did it, why they had all of these bonds to star raising interest rates, bu

they had capital, a big loss everybody panicked. and that was the end of it. >> another part of thi equation is who the customer of this particular bank were it didn't look like any bank - so the coon valley bank had high number of start-up client but our markets going to vie silicon valley bank as jus representative of silico valley overall? what do you se as the wider impact here >> well, hopefully the wider impact is limited by the fac that it has now been taken over, and my assessment is probabl that in the receiver process another bank will see th assets and everyone will b made aware. i think it does no look great for silicon valle in general. i don't think it calls into question some of th more solid start-ups, and they will still get money, and ge investors. and may bring in th question as crypto did in th

crush of crypto whether ther is too much floating around tw great companies, and the great offset. we have had some of it in the crypto space. we will see more of it. but i don' think that it really gaine that much over. all for th banking industry, frankly. thi has been an orderly proces now. people under two an 50,000 get all of their mone back. i guess that it is ove that amount, we will eventuall get their money back and prior to the federal bailout. righ now it is bad, and there shoul be more regulatory oversight but it is not catastrophic o systemic at this point >> the 30 seconds that i hav left, investors like mark cuba are now calling on the federal reserve that date will step in and buy the debt. is tha realistic? >> no. it is not realistic or good idea at this point. tha might have been useful as they

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