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about you. >> yeah. [laughs] now, i realize she was jus trying to help me. >> amanda does not expect to reconcile with her parents anytime soon do you miss them at all? >> i miss what i wanted to hav happen i would never go back, but i think what i'm trying to say is, i miss something i never had >> what's she has, instead, is a cause to help those kids tha she wants new. >> hey, amanda >> and the other is coming after her, and to forgiv herself as well. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin thank you for watching >> it was one of those moments
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i just want to go back two minutes. two minutes ago, he was laying beside me and he was alive and now he's gone forever. >> inside this house, an armed intruder hunts for prey. >> i heard angie scream, oh my god, oh my god i could see blood running down his neck >> i nudged justin, he didn' respond. >> your fiancée had just bee killed, but she's calm somehow >> she seemed very calm. but he was either a but bo front on the side, a lov triangle >> but on the dark highway, th case will take a dramatic turn >> there was my body, on edge. >> were you nervous? >> extremely nervous >> a mysterious driver carryin ominous cargo. >> how did he explain that >> at that time, you don't >> it suggests that there's conspiracy
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unraveling a mind bending plot reveals the shattering truth >> inhuman is the only word can think of, inhuman to d something like that. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it was a moonless night i iowa, 4:00 in the morning. the quietest of quiet hours. a small town cop went down a empty highway, found for the early shift at his rural polic department that's when he saw at th corner of his eye, what's that in the ditch maybe 30 yards off the highway a car? in trouble he swung around, somebod clearly missed a curve on th gravel access road >> the driver's door hanging opened, the airbags deployed
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the lights were on >> and then suddenly, who wa that knocking on his car window? >> the gentleman didn't have a shirt on >> he seemed agitated, weird eventually, a second cop appeared >> he was excited. he seemed like, if you were to talk to somebody right after they did a marathon. out of breath, sweatin profusely. the entire time i'm out here i just a very -- it's an uneasy feeling my stomach was turning - >> but no law broken, he calle the guy a cab, sent him home no idea what was coming. how could they know? >> it makes you question the goodness of humanity, it makes you question your faith, i makes you question you beliefs. >> it's a point where evil outdid good. >> well, even here in the hear of the heartland, it's lovel capital, its famous state fair all manners of deep frie delicacies, and presidential casting calls here
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des moines, a place known fo its sweet and gentle nature, for people who are simply nice like him >> he was just very good >> his name was justin michael these are his parents, will an marie. >> he cared about people, he was kind and considerate >> just a nice guy >> just a very nice guy. a very good person >> the sort of person wh volunteered for things lik helping to build houses fo habitat for humanity >> he really enjoyed it. >> justin was almost 31, the eldest of three. his brother, nathan, idolize him. >> we were very close. we just always played sports and hanging out with justin. >> he was a great older brother, very supportive and caring and would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it.
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>> in fact, his sister said, justin had saved her life when as a teenager, she was caugh in a rip tide at the beach >> it was absolutely terrifying i felt like i was literall drowning and all of a sudden there was justin and he wa pulling me up on our board and telling me that everything was going to be okay, everything's gonna be fine. >> so, you get the idea. just a good person, a nice guy who was about to get as luck as the person can in life. that is, lucky in love, with her. >> i found him very attractive and interesting. he was fun to talk to. >> her name is angie roy ver huel, and one thing that happened to them, they fell in love at first sight. bingo, just like that. >> after our third date texted my friend and i said, i am pretty sure i'm gonna marry this guy >> wow he seemed to feel the same way about you. >> yes it was very easy from day one. we both knew
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>> so they did what people do, they tried out each other' interests and and sh discovered the men that sh loved also love things lik skydiving, which of course h wanted her to do to. >> you flew too? >> yes >> he had to jumping out of an airplane >> yes yes. i am terrified of heights so - >> he took you up there! >> yes it was so exhilarating. i was terrified up until the moment that we got in the plan and then i was calm. and it was so much fun which was a little like thei courtship really, a jump tha some people would find terrifying but not them. >> you got engaged ver
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quickly. >> when you know you know. >> was there any doubt no day you woke up and went, o no one have i done >> nope. >> so in august 2013, tw months after they met, angie and justin where an engage couple in december she moved in wit him at his house in the tiny place called grimes, just abou 20 minutes out of side of de moines they planned their wedding which would be, they decided, family affair and beach on north carolina, where hi parents live they set the date. july 20th, 2014. it was may, the excitement building, when justin's parent came to visit in grimes. >> on mother's day weekend >> and on wednesday evenin before that mother's day >> we were laughing and talkin about halloween costumes for the next year.
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as it grew dusk we ended u cooking smaller's over there fire pit, which was one of justin's favorite things to do >> justin's dad weldon was i business in -- minneapolis that day as marie stayed alone, - as far as she knew, always well across the hall, a couple in love, all good things on their way. dark now moonless dark. she closed her eyes and slept. and then - >> so i heard the door opening and my first thought was angie was coming in to grab a scar or a piece of jewelry from the dresser. she kept them some spare thing in the bedroom the person just stood in the doorway -- >> but did you see, silhouette
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>> i saw a dark silhouette a person dressed in dark clothing and i could see a red laser light shining in my eyes we and as i was lying there, i notice the red light shine across the pillow, and i remember thinking, that's strange flashlight we and that's when i saw a big person bigger than justin or angie, so i knew it was an intruder will my heart sank, i'm sure i froze. we a second or two later the door was shutting and remember praying just please take what we you want and leav us alone we >> but of course, leaving them alone was not what th strange intrusive presence had in mind. not even close coming up, >> it was something in we 100 million years yo could not imagine. it was just unfathomable
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it was so bizarre. we will >> a night of terror just beginning no one was prepared for what later. >> and i rolled over and saw somebody running out of th bedroom. and i knew that was bad. >> i heard angie scream, oh my god! oh my god! >> marie tells detectives horrifying story, but they'r not sure they believe it >> to me was very odd -- >> when dateline continues ♪ crunchy ♪ ♪ tasty ♪ ♪ sweet or savory ♪ ♪ always satisfying ♪ ♪ gimme blue diamond! ♪ ♪ crunchy, tasty, sweet or savory ♪ ♪ always satisfying ♪ ♪ gimme blue diamond! ♪ ♪ crunchy, tasty. sweet or savory, ♪ ♪ always satisfying, gimme- ♪ blue diamond almonds. there's nothing like volunteering at the fire department. there's nothing like hitting the waves. but with my moderate-to-severe eczema it hasn't always been easy,... ...since my skin was so irritated and itchy... ...and even worse with all my gear on. now, i'm staying ahead of my eczema.
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up and she saw him, it whatever, shaking away and the fear that took over he body she froze. maybe she prayed for those horrifying seconds, how many seconds, three, five seconds across the hall, angie >> i heard the bedroom doo open and i had been so hard to slee i just assumed it was just i leaving to go to the bathroom. then i heard a pop pop pop >> it sounded very muffled so thought it could not be gunshot. >> then, unaware that her worl was quite different now, angie opened her eyes. >> and i rolled over and saw somebody running out of th bedroom. and i knew that was bad, and i nudged justin and i said - justin, justin >> i heard and you scream, o my god oh my god!
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i knew something terrible ha happened >> i turned on the light and i just went out the bedroom, dow the hall - >> did you see him >> no i didn't >> you just knew >> yeah. >> i looked in the bedroom doo was and i saw justin laying on his back, on the right side of the bed with his head tilted and i could see a bullet hol in his head. and i could see blood runnin down his neck. >> my instinct was to figure out how they got in the house. we had a really big window, we check to see if that was close and it was we checked the front door, tha was still locked the back door was unlocked and i went and opened it a little bit and i thought that' not a -- i closed it >> did you understand righ away that everything was different? that the man you loved was dead?
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[crying] >> it was - it was one of those moment where you just want to go back two minutes. just two minutes ago, he was lying beside me and he was alive. and now he's gone, for forever >> but in that moment, her brain, her fingers, wouldn't cooperate. >> but they say about not bein able to dial 9-1-1 and i emergencies is very true i tried three different times. >> somebody just came in and shot my fiancée in the head. >> ma'am what's your name? >> angie >> can you go over and check the status of -- >> he's -- he's dead. >> okay. >> i know he is. >> marie called 9-1-1 to >> somebody come in and shot somebody >> do you know who was shot?
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>> my son, justin michael. >> a few moments later deputies from the sherif officer came and look around as a two woman sat in th living room and complete silence. >> as we were sitting ther across from the tv, we noticed that the dvd player had been pulled out and there was a fluorescent yellow sweatshir laying there which -- >> didn't belong >> it didn't belong. we pointed it out to the officer, it was neither of ours >> was that what happened? some awful mistake a rubber hitting the wrong place, the wrong person? >> deputies told them, get you things, we're taking you out o the house. >> i can go back into th bedroom. we i didn't have my glasses on -- >> they were in their? >> so what i said i need m glasses -- >> she asked me if i would gra her glasses from the night stand in the bedroom, so i did go back into their bedroom one more time. i looked at justin and i - i told him goodbye you know, how much i loved him
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how i couldn't imagine why tha happened to him? >> is that even possible t understand what it does to you to look through the door and see your eldest son lang with bullet in his head >> it was something in 100 million years you could no imagine. who could've done that to my son? he wouldn't hurt a fly he had never spoken ill of anybody, to my knowledge had any enemies. it was unfathomable. >> the sheriff's deputy took angie and marie outside and pu them in separate cars whil they watch the activity around them quite stunned
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before they took her cell phone, marie called her husband weldon she begged him to hurry. >> when i heard the news, thought they'd gotten into the wrong house. it was so bizarre. >> reality failed to gel - in weldon's head >> on that drive fro minneapolis down, i couldn't imagine. it i thought it was a mistake. i asked if justin was all righ and she's no that he was gone >> it was a feeling of isolation and i could se people in and out of the house i could see detectives wit flashlights coming in th neighborhood and all around hi house. >> crime scene >> crime scene it was a very long three hours of my life just sitting there, not knowing what was going o -- >> news reporters were setting up everywhere and there's so
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many police cars they weren't saying, we got th guy. i felt, they don't have him. they need to catch him i know i'm safe, but i everyone i love safe >> eventually, they drove both women, separately, to sheriff's headquarters where they installed them in separate rooms for separat interviews because something about this did not smell right. >> there was just a lack o emotion. and to me that was very odd -- >> coming up detectives become concerne about something else to. >> we have to find out why did someone nice like justin wan someone him dead we did see a lot of emotio from the mother or angie so that was concerning
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>> did they say anything to you? these two women in the house one of the land right beside the victim who is unharmed >> yes it was suspicious >> when dateline continues ♪3, 4♪ ♪ ♪hey♪ ♪ ♪are you ready for me♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪ (tony hawk) skating for over 45 years has taken a toll on my body. i take qunol turmeric because it helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. why qunol? it has superior absorption compared to regular turmeric. qunol. the brand i trust.
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>> it's kind of place wher everyone has coffee in the morning at the convenience store. >> what about crime? >> no crime in grimes. it's just a quiet neighborhood >> but sure enough, somethin big was going down, though jus what the deputies would not say >> when we talk to neighbors they were surprised to see eve more than one police vehicle i the neighborhood and then the dci came an that's sent the message ou that it's huge people coming out with ful suits. going in and out of the house. there's crime tape up -- >> and know and seeing wha happened >> and the neighbors are askin what's going on here >> anxiety is like a virus it spread fast in grimes >> they were nervous people don't just get shot i grimes, we could you magic anything happening there >> and if reporters an neighbors were mystified about what happened, so was detectiv
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robyn bartholomew. >> i was the on-call detective i got called at 3:30 in th morning. >> who confronted a mess bloody crime scene a victim shot point blank in the head, and here was his fiancée without a mark on her. blood tends to splatter, but there wasn't a drop and angie. >> how far apart where they >> right next to each other. >> has that ever happened in your experience, that you've encountered that before? >> not that i have encountered >> it did say anything to you, to these two women in the house, one of them are episode th victim, were on harmed >> it was suspicious >> yes, and also, if the kille was intent on robbery, h certainly didn't succeed that dvd player pulled out o its place in the living room that was it, said detective to him hopper nothing was disturbed. >> it didn't make sense. >> it didn't make sense as a burglary, as an attempte
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burglary >> no. >> so if it wasn't attempted burglary, so why was someone messing around with it >> to stage. it to throw people off track >> mind you, there was tha sweatshirt that didn't belon in the house that the killer and his rush t escape left behind officers tried to track that down angie and marie we're at the sheriff's office in separate interfere rooms, separat answering pointed questions. >> i looked in on angie an justin justin woke up -- i don't know >> what about angie [inaudible >> this was weird. somehow, said detectiv bartholomew.
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their tone just did not seem right. especially angie's >> i thought that, due to what just happened, she would b very emotionally upset and t me it was a regular interview. it didn't make sense >> like when she told detectiv hopper about the intruder wh had just fired several bullets through her fiancée lying righ beside her, and intruder she saw just a few feet away >> describe this figure. >> it was all black, i'd say pretty tall. >> you say black, black -- >> everything was black. >> shadow, or a black person >> i don't know. i didn't see any color >> did that arouse any suspicion, that maybe she wa involved in this somehow >> i thought so. >> so detective by fall i'm yo pulled angie and's 9-1-1 calls
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>> he's dead >> i know he is. >> somebody came in and shot somebody >> and >> same thing, i just -- >> curiously devoid of emotion >> i thought so. i think there was panic but, listening to it, i think there was some distance from the collar to the victim >> everybody is still a suspec in this because we have to fin out why someone want justi dead and we didn't see a lot of emotion from the mother or angie. so that was concerning but ultimately you have to g where the leads take you to. >> so you do but just then, the leads wer going in circles, nowhere. coming up, - >> somebody came in there fo one sole purpose and that wa to execute him so someone was very personal >> investigators start digging into justin's past, and ou
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your hour's top stories. indonesia authorities haunts a tourist and mining activitie near the country's most active volcano. it erupted and it was th biggest lava flow since the en of 2020. and belgium has banned tikto from government devices for th next six months, citin concerns about privacy cybersecurity an misinformation this comes after similar actions were taken by the u.s. and eupero on tiktok now back to dateline >> when justin michaels wa
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shot to death while lyin asleep in his very own bed right beside his apparentl loving fiancée. the drops cops a adopted a handy rule, when in doub suspect everyone, includin her. >> it didn't on on me that i could've been a suspect, o angie. it didn't don and me a bit >> you know their minds to hav to go to strange places when they're detectives, that's wha they do. >> i understand that >> but it was the calm demeano and apparent lack of emotion and justin's fiancée, angie ver huel that arouse the interes of detective bartholomew and hopper where they pushed -- her little and wondered alou not so loudly if angie might have known the killer or peris the thought, even colluded wit that shadowy person. whoever it might be. like maybe a love interest someone in his or her past more likely hers >> talk to angie about justin'
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relationships. he had no serious relationship prior to her, he did hav dates. but no one seemed to cause a concern. so i went into angie's relationships. >> and she had been marrie before divorced in 2010 >> and the ex husband wasn't a concern? >> no. >> and there was no particular bad blood. >> nothing, there was no children involved, there was nothing other than a relationship that ended. >> but then, and she revealed, she got involved with a gu named andy, andy wegener, move in with him, for three years and then, this was unusual continued with him even afte their romance ended, and he wa well in her past when she me justin but what they make of that
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but then and she told th detective about some strange incidents, especially peculiar for grimes, the sort of thin that just doesn't happen here. it was one night back in november, she said, she parked a car on the street overnigh in front of justin's place and when she emerged in th morning -- >> i saw the back window had been hit in, and i was like, o my gosh. and then i went hour island an i saw that two of the othe windows had been hidden. >> she was shocked, she said went back to the house to tell just and they called the police >> the police officer came and looked at it and noticed tha it had been keyed that i looked like somebody had throw something at the windshiel because it was a huge indent o the hood >> but that wasn't the onl incident of angie's. somebody got into the backyard and vandalized justin's prized for trees. >> there were branches tha were snapped off and eventuall kill the trees why would somebody come into his yard and ruin things tha
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he had tried to grow >> so was the vandalism warning? did justin actually understand that he was a target maybe angie didn't know he fiancée quite as well as she thought she did. after all, execution style murders, as the detectives kne very well, often turn out to have something to do wit illegal drugs. >> did you guys get high, di you party a little bit >> no. >> no drugs involved whatsoever? >> no. >> did justin ever sell drugs? >> not that i know of. >> that, the tech tech t hopper felted in his veins something about this didn't ad up >> this morning, justin wa singled out and murdered you love him >> i know. >> marie wasn't, justin was. >> there wasn't a burglary a
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your home that takes away th randomness >> nothing was taken > somebody came in there for one sole purpose and that was to execute him. so someone was very personal do you have any reason you would be protecting somebody that you care about, i need to know >> right >> because this is not acceptable >> when they were doing thei police thing and coming up wit different scenarios, drugs money, gambling, the questio just kept being asked, is it possible that these things could've happened was? and everything is a possibility, for a moment, i was thinking o my was - i about to marry someone who had no idea who was.
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>> oh but there are so man questions. one in particular that angie just can seem to answer. coming up. >> where do you meet him >> just at a bar >> where you went to him >> eventually got into him >> and she tells detective about someone else in her past that did someone something disturbing >> he said some nasty things about me as a person to me it was kind of, that's a little creepy. >> but does it have anything t do with the case when dateline continues.
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was convinced of one thing i particular, justin had to be the key to solving this case i iowa >> i thought that maybe even though she was engaged, ther was a boyfriend on the side? >> right, as there is boyfriend on the side wh wanted to get rid of the competition or she might hav wanted to get rid of this on to get with the other one. >> yes some sort of love triangle >> it sounds devious to sa such a thing, but these things happen >> very much so. >> detective bartholomew hel
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her suspicions in check. while her partner detectiv hopper continue to press angie about the other men in her life very few of those according to angie, her ex husband, and her ex boyfriend, andy and then, three hours into the interview -- >> all of a sudden, a name cam up of someone who had actually -- she had dated, and acquaintanc she had met in between her breakup with andy and her meet up with justin >> it wasn't a full-on relationship >> do you just not remember hi while we were talking before >> i had notv -- i thought about him but it was kind of like, it was a coupl of months of hanging out and it was a here and there. he, i feel, like, what h wasn't being very serious, or wasn't being very serious with it >> and who was this other guy? >> his name is dave.
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>> what does dave do >> i forgot. what's last name >> walk. >> it will come to me. >> dave, dave, dave. we i can't think of that right now. >> she couldn't remember his last name? >> which is very odd >> when did you first star seeing dave? >> the weekend after andy and broke up and it was a silly thing, yo and -- >> where did you meet him? >> at a bar. and i thought whatever, he's a funny guy. >> and she told detectiv hopper she didn't spend much time with dave, they mainl texted each other, and met u at bars a few times. >> we had had, kind, of this day in age relationship, where we saw each other once a week. and then the rest of our conversations were strictl through text messaging i don't think we have four spoke on the phone >> and it was always - it was very, like, playful i
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nature it wasn't a very serious typ of relationship. >> it was intimate >> eventually got intimate but not right away >> and then it was kind of a once a week thing, we'd hang out on friday night' generally. >> and then of course, everything changed >> and then i met justin - >> but she got the feeling justin just might be the rea thing. so she started avoiding dave did he sense something maybe. that's when dave sent angie text that refer to a reality television show. >> he had made the comment, i' gonna get your final red rose. and that to me was, well that' a little creepy. knowing i didn't feel that sam way. >> you hadn't given him a sign
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that way >> we had never talked about being exclusive. when you're seeing someone onc a week and talking through tex messages caught me off guard. >> then just after a secon date with justin - >> that's when i told dave tha him at this other guy. i had told dave that i was going to have to cancel ou plans friday because of this >> and as angie said, you when you know, you know, remember so she asked her girlfriends how should i break up with dave >> i said is it appropriate to do this through text messaging should i meet up with him, and they are like, no. don't go ahead do it through text messaging >> so she did. diplomatically she tried to be kind, she said >> so i just texted him and said, hey i want to be completely upfront and hones with you, i've met somebod else that i want to spend my time with and we are done.
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his response was, i know you'v been running around behind m back we hadn't seen each other fo at least two weeks at this point. >> that's hardly a relationship >> right >> he didn't take it so well unpleasant >> yes i was trying to be kind, he wa not. >> what did he say >> he said some nasty things about me as a person and the at one point he told me to eat (bleep) and die. and that was then followed b niceties and wanting to work things out - >> oh. >> so it is really back an forth all day. and it became obvious that h wasn't going to let it go. so i finally quit responding >> you never heard from hi again? >> he had texted me the next day saying, i don't feel lik this is over can you give me another chance >> i didn't respond to that. so then after that, yes, i did
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hear from him at all >> that was in june 2013 11 months before justin wa shot to death, and she told th detective all that so odd, to say the least, bu angie swore that she couldn' remember the guy's last name >> do you remember last name yet? >> i keep trying dave, dave, dave, dave, dave i do not know why, i am trying -- >> really? detective hopper turned up the heat >> one of the first things i asked you in the beginning was before justin, i said who were you in a relationship where if you said andy. you love dave out. for whatever reason, and i
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doesn't matter at this point is there any possibility that, with dave or anyone else that, while you are being with justin, that you maintained relationship with anyone >> no. >> and then, finally, afte more than 30 minutes o questions of this dave guy it's suddenly came to her, she said >> i remember dave's last name by the way >> and that is >> we, david moffitt another dead and most likely but remember that business about luck it was useful -- the most useful investigativ tool there is. coming up, new suspicions ar raised as detectives realize two of the people in the cas are connected by one remarkabl coincidence. >> 10,000 people here in the des moines, whatever the odd that they would be in the same -- >> coincidences. sometimes they come in clusters,
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the name the name of the men she date just before she met justin michael. david moffitt. and who was he a sometimes local accountant for one thing, but also th sign - sun of a wealthy iowa farm family not very memorable, said angie just a guy who liked havin fun. though there was, she said this one remarkabl coincidence. a couple of months after she stopped seeing david and jus before she got introduced to just and david got a job at the sam small unit at the same wells fargo office building as justin david left after some kind o -- months before the murder but what were the chances? third tests were just feet apart. >> and did he know that justin was dating you >> he figured out that justi was dating me. >> justin told his parents about it
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>> he just said it was a awkward situation, but there was no problem the alignment of that wa astronomical - >> 10,000 people here in des moines, what are the odds that they would be in the same -- >> the same cubicle, they were >> but they got on fine, never any bad blood. and david moffitt had no criminal record. so should detectives add him t their list of suspects >> at this point, i don't know if i have the complete story regarding dave, or not >> coincidences sometimes come in clusters, don't they? not long after angles -- angie's memory coughed up dave moffitt, there was another coincidence. >> we felt we needed t continue and focus on dave and see where that leads us. the first scene that was don was a background makeup of dave to include to see if he had weapons permit and so, while i check for th
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weapons permit was being another person or heard th name and recognized dave moffitt, and she immediately said that he had a car impounded this morning not only was it impounded, i was impounded approximatel within 30 minutes of the homicide approximately at 4:00 in the morning. and was six miles approximat north of where the homicid occurred and dave mott had reside approximately 28 miles southeast of where the homicid occurred >> wow, well that would be a red flag, for sure >> to further investigation we learned that he had had an accident >> so they put the acciden report and read about those tw cops and their strange encounter just off highway 141 at 4:00 that morning a place which, by all rights cory rose should never hav been the particular morning, but life happens to everybody. and early on the 8th of ma 2014, officer rose was adjusting. >> i was back from the hospita in des moines, my fiancée' grandma was ill in the
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hospital still in his own close, not in uniform, he was on his way to 5 am patrol shift with where officer rose is an investigator with the loca police department. and it was very dark on th highway. no moon at all at that hour. so he almost missed it, there, in the ditch, maybe 30 yards weekend what did you see >> as i straight up the road, saw a car off here, to my righ we, sitting on top of the ditc just on the other side of this poll >> just over here where th grass -- >> right sitting there with the driver' door was opening week. the door was - what >> ship missed a shar curve on a gravel access road. so cory was pulled up next t the crashed car. >> and as soon as a stopped, i noticed that nobody was in the car, no one around the car
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and i sit in my vehicle. someone, a male approach m vehicle, and he knocked on m door when he came behind me the knock on my window kind of startled me a little bit he was asking if he could ge some assistance to get a rid offered to pay me to get a ride i told him that i didn't fee do comfortable doing so. >> between that and having t get to work and does not being his jurisdiction, corey called his dispatch i said hey, i'm out here can you see if you can get someone to get out here. they said that they ha somebody as soon as possible they're tied up on a shootin in grimes. >> so cory left for his shift. and then jason tart, responded to the dispatch later. all he knew was that there had been an accident >> so it hit that ditch at som speed there? >> he was going pretty fast. >> just missed the corner?
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to death in his own bed. but his fiancée angie had been spared about half an hour later her e crashed his car into a ditch about five miles from just a home when officer jason arrived a the scene, he appeared to be gone >> so i get out of the corne mediately i'm thinking, mayb they were rejected so i go and start searching th area to made sure they weren't ejected out of the car, then i hear a sound i say is this your car, he say yeah that's my car, when h gets near me, i smell somethin sweet. so i automatically, i was like okay this is the guy >> why do you think sweet smel means a drunk accident >> it just kind of goes with it smelled like he had bee drinking
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>> was he glad to see you? >> i don't if he was glad to see me - >> i mean, you were potentiall going to rescue him from a bad situation. >> he saw someone that could help him, i don't know if sh was necessarily happy to see me >> david told him he was on hi way home from visiting his brother that night >> i basically asked him, ther is no way and chance that yo are visiting a friend an grimes tonight >> why would you bring that up >> there had just been withi an hour a homicide taking plac in grimes, the suspect was still unaccounted for -- >> and you have a guy sweating and smelling sweet >> exactly >> what did he say >> i don't even know where the town is. >> everything about david made the deputy feel anxious. >> all the hair, not on my head, but on my body was standing on edge >> that's weird, he is a regular guy, didn't seem to be
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armed or anything, you are cop you have a weapon, and you are still nervous. >> i did a path down for weapons, because if you ar going to sit in my car, you're not gonna have a weapon on >> but he still made you nervous? >> extremely nervous >> turned out david hadn't bee drinking, there was no reaso to arrest him, still, th deputy's instincts kicked in >> so i look through his car and i couldn't find insuranc so i impounded for not havin insurance. >> not that it was drivabl anyway, he sent david home in cab. after reading deputies report, the detectives knew they had t act fast there could be clues still, on highway 1:41, and surprises to the media people, and shimmery saw hovering around the hous had no idea what had jus happen to justin michael bedroom in the middle of the night, the reporters knew only
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this, they had been sent her because of a suspicious deat and it was related, somehow, t this house and then, as they waited for somebody to tell them something, they got a tip local reporters stephanie moor -- >> we heard that the sheriff's deputy was walking the field so that would be the highway you would take from des moines to go to grimes, they were walking the field and we wer asking are you looking for a body are you looking for someone? no are you looking for a weapon we can say the public is not in any danger, we think that what's happene in grimes is related to this >> and they're walking up an down looking for something? >> in a line so they don't mis anything kind of how they do when there is a missing child we thought maybe they were looking for a gun, a weapon. >> good guess, in fact the small army of cops was looking for anything that looked lik evidence, because hours earlie david moffatt's car went off
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the road and facts were piling up he had worked with justin, dated angie, and breakfast car the morning up the murder just six miles away of course, that peaked our interest very quickly. >> that move david at the to of the list. >> the prosecutor had been involved all along >> we sent the detectives in the patrol officers to tha location, highway 141, to se what else they could find in that area that could be of use or telling in terms of the investigation. >> that's why the locals saw all these police officer wandering up and down the fiel as if they were looking fo something? they were. >> they were >> imagine what they found there in the ditch along the highway. >> probably the most important thing is that they found loade magazines that had the sam type of ammo that was found at the crime scene, the shell casings find at the scen matched that kind of ammunitio
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found in the ditch on highwa 141. >> right where the car crashed >> across the highway, and a little bit further down, but within 500 yards of where th crash occurred they also located in that ditc some paper targets so you us that for target practice some shooters earmuffs a camo neck cloth that you could wear as a mask >> like somebody preparing for a night of terror. or an execution. clearly, david had to be the killer and then, you know what they say about assumptions. the cops found something els near the accident scene. sort of thing that could make person wonder, what's in heaven's name is going on here it was one little thing in a shoe box >> the shoes were not in it bu there was various paperwork. one of the things that wer found was a receipt from a
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local car dealership and the receipt was for a purchase o three oil changes, it had th name of andrew wagner. >> and true, the boyfriend angie lived with before justin weird, another guy without a criminal record, another apparently, ordinary person. the des moines funeral directo in his case. and yet, there it was in black and white among all those othe pieces of evidence andrew how did he explain that? >> at that time, you don't >> so, did andy kill justi michael? the man who replaced him i angie's heart? >> we immediately went t andrew's place of business and brought him back t headquarters for questioning and we asked him about his relationship with angie. >> and more to the point perhaps, his relationship, o the lack of it, with justin. >> have you ever met justin? >> once. >> where was that at >> it was at joe's pub
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>> just random, run in, or was it a gathering - >> it was a gathering with a group of friends it was the engagement party. >> was just in the person wh wasn't a relationship after yo broke up with her was ther someone else >> there might have been someone else - >> you don't know? >> no. the last time you talk to angie? >> she sent texted me saying happy birthday, and i said okay, thanks >> i'm asking andy about whether or not he is missing anything, and he never tells m about the receipt for the oi changes. >> the receipt in the shoe box the reason for suspicion and all these questions. >> i stay on the receipt because that is where my interest is that, and he believes that he is in possession of the receipt. >> and he said he thought th receipt was in his car or in his house. >> if it turned out somewher else, how would that happen? if it's somewhere other than your car or home -
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>> i threw it away, that would be about it. >> any ideas how it could turn up in this investigation >> no. >> and then detective harper asked andy about guns. >> do you go shooting at all >> shooting? >> yes, do you - >> i have a 12 gauge i haven't shot it in six years >> you have any handguns >> no. >> okay. >> and what he did the night before >> yesterday, what time did yo get off work >> yesterday i got off at four >> okay, can you walk me through what's occurred from four until we showed up at you doorstep this morning? >> and he said he spent th evening and night with his
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girlfriend >> you spend the night at your girlfriend >> yes >> how long have you been with >> three years >> as our security there >> no. >> is it a safe area >> yes >> is it gated >> no. >> cameras to get? in >> no >> he spent the night with his current girlfriend at that time, and we verified that before he left the office, before he had a chance to make a phone cal or anything else >> at least according to his girlfriend >> according to the girlfriend yes. >> that would give him an alib -- >> that would give him an alib whether that was preconceive or whether it was legitimate w did not know >> and he swore detectives would find no evidence against him in grimes. >> when was the last time yo were in grimes, for any reason >> that was a basketball court that was a while ago -
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>> what's a while ago to you >> three weeks, a month, 3 to weeks, at least. it's been a while. a bunch of guys get together and we pay five bucks and we are able to shoot around thi place for a couple of hours. >> let me double check to make sure - >> the detectives exhauste their questions. we put andy back to work apparently, in the clear unaware that andy's name was about to turn up one more time in a very suspicious place >> coming up - investigators up and looking for a single killer. but a fresh clue may send this investigation in a whole new direction. when dateline continues.
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he always thought of everybody else, always wanted to do fo other people >> as much in love as angi said she was, the detectives had learned over the years, yo never know, they needed to search her phone, see who sh talked to in the hours and day just before justin was shot to death. they also got a search warrant for david's house, and inside, they didn't find the murde weapon they did find these strang notes, seem to have been written by someone who had bee watching justin and and he's neighborhood >> the surveillance note listed addresses in th immediate area of the crim scene. very specific about when
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neighbors were turning on an off their lights, the cree behind the house is it wide enough so i can cross, it look like a way to make an escape once the murder was done >> but then, they found woul look like the mother lode. a bill of sale >> it was in indies name, bu there it is in dave's house. >> the name of the document, bold as brass was indeed andes how was that remotely possible it's more evidence to suppor that there are some sort o conspiracy involved here >> it's too early to rul anybody out and we wanted to find out if andy was the actua purchaser of that weapon fortunately that bill of sal gave us the lead to where th weapon came from >> his name was right there, true ball man. and here he is, he is a smal town high school english teacher. in a little place 90 miles o
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so from des moines there is something you can d with a degree in english >> yes, there is i love my job. >> an english teacher who like to tell stories, and this on -- >> sort of thing that coul make an interesting plot for a novel? >> a novel perhaps >> drew is a self nerd, he als is a target shooter and a meta detective enthusiast, he i digging up old coins and such, loves it mind you, there's only so much a person can find usin equipment that - to say down market is abou cruel. >> the one i wanted was $600 >> are you out of your mind, you would spend that much mone on the >> you could spend up to $90 on a metal detector. >> you are an upper case nerd? >> you would say [laughter]
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>> he could solve a gun and bu the new meddled tech - >> i listed it online, it' like craig's list for gun -- >> what did you ask for? it >> $360 for it. >> about a month later he got nibble by email. >> i told them that i needed cash and i needed a photo i. d., so i knew he was who he said h was and that he was at least 21 >> what did he say he was? >> he said that his name was anti-, and that was the emai address he had contacted me as well >> where did you meet? >> i work at a gas station it's public, their cameras i the area and if something ba were to happen i know of a least two or three people that are there and would come to my rescue >> it's at the kind of thing you have to do when you sell a weapon >> that's the kind of thing do when i saw a weapon because i have entirely too much t lose i have a family, i have a job, i love them both, i did no want to jeopardize those we met at the station, i showe
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him the rifle and that i fille out a bill of sale, i wanted t make sure that this wa trackable, i kept a copy, he kept a copy, we reviewed everything to make sure that i was what he wanted and mak sure everything was okay >> you saw his photo i. d. - >> i saw this photo i. d.. >> how carefully did you, yo know, store the information. >> i'm a pack rat by nature, m teacher nature, you don't thro anything away. so all of the emai conversations that he and i had, i kept, all the text message between he and i, i kept i still had pictures that i ha originally posted, those are m home computer, and as he was leaving, again, to cover mysel i wrote down his license plate number >> you are careful guy >> i am. >> for the very limite interaction that i had with hi he was very nice, very normal. he asked me how to load it, showed him how >> that was it, off he went. >> off he went >> and then, a few days later, the school secretary gave drew
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a message, a county detectiv wanted to talk to him righ away >> in my very first thought, i said i interpreted the law wrong when i looked at the close and i'm going to jail. >> you immediately thought about selling that weapon? >> why else would a county b calling me, i was going to jail >> scary thought >> very scary, because i had taken so many precautions. i called the detective and h said did you sell a firear recently, and that was m second thought, yes i am going to jail. i have completely screwe everything up, and i told hi yes i did. he asked me to describe what i was, i told him was a 9 mm car beam he said drew, we have reason t believe that that weapon was used in the commission of crime. and my heart just sank what happened? i have no idea, he told me i was used in the murder and i looked it up on my phone what that does to you, i
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unwillingly took part, i was a accessory in somebody's path - >> you felt that way, that you were an accessory? >> how would you feel? i sold something to a man, to person who later use that to take someone's life. >> yeah. >> terrible. >> oh god, and still today i've rationalize this, i wen to a counselor about this, i still feel bad about it. >> what's the expression, guns don't kill people, people kill people >> and i still believe that. but i provided them that method >> later that day, detective harper drove out to meet withdrew who turned over all the emails and text messages h had saved. as well as photos of the rifle three ammo magazines, a scope, and a red laser pointe attached to the weapon, part o the deal >> i asked him if he had any shell casings from the weapo that he sold, he went and came back shortly after and had 6 casings. >> wow
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person who likes to keep things >> yes, most of those casing were nine millimeters. >> the same one that were foun at the murder scene? >> and at the crash that >> but who bought the gun? >> we still don't know where we're at between dave and andy >> could drew ideal guy in the photo lineup >> coming up - detectives showed drew picture of dave and andy >> he said that is very odd, this is strange. >> when dateline continues l.♪ ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... [coughing] ...copd sitting down. ♪it's a new dawn,...♪ ♪...it's a new day,♪ it's time to make a stand. ♪and i'm feelin' good.♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd... ...medicine has the power to treat copd... ...in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler,... ...trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours,
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>> while the investigation raced forward, the investigators told justin' family nothing didn't tell them they found th man who stole the murder weapon, nor that they had to figure ou who he actually sold it to because surely whoever bough the gun must have been the killer >> i asked him at that point t look at the photo lineups, the first set of six photographs i showed him contain the photo o david, he looked at it and h said i can't be 100% certain he said, the guy had a hat o and sunglasses on i wish h took it out, and he pointed at the picture of david and said, i'm 90% sure that's the person i sold the gun to. >> what happened when he looke at the picture involving andy? >> when i showed him the photo lineup with andy, he looked at it and he immediately looked a it and pointed at andy and sai that is very odd, this i strange. he was confused. he goes, that looks like the id,
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that looks like the person i sold the gun to. he picked up both of them. so, we still had mor questions. >> it was all very confusing didn't help that david and and looked similar so, one last thing to try. earlier when deputies searched david's house they found the bill of sale for that --, bu they also discovered a receipt for lemonade and a candy bar bought at $1 general store i the very town where the rifl was purchased. >> so i requested the vide from that store, the person wh walks into the store still wearing the hat and sunglasses that are hanging on their shirt, the video is david, he purchases lemonade and a candy bar. >> which may have settled th question of who picked up th murder weapon. but here was another question, how did david get a hold o
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andy's i. d. the detectives had all kinds o reasons for wanting to talk to david. they picked him up about 1 hours after the shooting, took him to headquarters, installed him in an interview room and n dice >> he requested a lawyer >> just like that, you're done >> i sat there for an hour wit him, offering him a phone book a means to reach his attorney, because we still wanted to attempt to talk with him, an even if his attorney was present, he never reached an attorney >> david wouldn't talk, but it hardly mattered, the evidenc they already had was enough to arrest him and charged him wit first degree murder. by now detectives understood that angie had nothing to do with the murder and what seeme like a lack of emotion, an worries to, was shock. pure shock in fact the thought that david could be the man who killed th love of her life hit angie while she was still bein questioned and finally after
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her apparent with calm she was overcome >> when dave came up, we talke about that and the detective came back with a picture o him. >> do you know this person >> that's dave >> and i said that's him, and immediately started shaking of and was visibly upset. what if he had something to do with it? and i caused all this the detective was like what' going on and i said if he is the one wh did it - it's all my fault. >> what do you mean by that? >> because i was the one who had broken off the relationship, i was the one who ignored hi the next day >> you really think if you hadn't ignored him he woul become mr. sweetness alive
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>> well, no, but, i felt like brought this monster int justin's life. >> but the prosecutors neede more evidence if they wanted t prove that david was the man and she saw is a monster how for example did david ge an i.d. with andrew's name o its, unless andrew was somehow involved >> one of the discoverie during that first search warrant was a computer box for a laptop, and that laptop wa never found in the first searc warrant. >> so the prosecutors wrote second search warrant, and voila, they found it, but mayb too late >> they discovered it in the bottom of a red tub that had a few inches of water in the bottom of it >> and you know how computer hate water but the water logged lapto wasn't all they found.
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>> the red tub ended up being gold mine of evidence. >> like what >> they found ammunition, it ended up being consistent with the ammunition found at th crime scene. >> and remember that shoe bo they found near the car crash? it was a novato's brand shoe box and in david red tub, what do you know. >> in that red tub were thos shoes, size 11 >> it's almost like he was laying the trap for himself. >> absolutely. >> they set the wet laptop off to the computer lab hoping maybe, techs could fin something on it. and, surprise, surprise, the did. >> and off of that computer, w were able to find the work tha david had done to create a fak i. d. in andy's name >> that's the one he presented to the school teacher drew, he also created a fake and th email address, and stole tha oil service received fro
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andy's car, all of which mad it obvious, said the prosecutor, david planned the ge taway b framing a perfectly innocent man, andy. what kind of a mind is behin that sort of behavior? >> very cold, calculating, tremendous amount of plannin and premeditation that wen into this murder and he tried to execute it s that he would not be blamed, h would get away with it >> remember that sweatshir left behind after the shooting as if the killer had bee sloppy >> in the sweatshirt was a boa registration that we could not figure out why it was there an what it's meaning was at the time, ultimately several month later we learned that the boat registration belonged to the father of the registered sex offender that lived within a few blocks away from the crime scene, once we made that connection it was anothe attempt to cast the blame on somebody else.
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>> convicting david of first degree murder should be as eas as a task as a prosecutor coul ask for, or maybe not. coming up -- revelations no one would believe. that's pretty crazy, isn't it? when dateline continues.
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>> finally said tv reporte stephanie moore, after month of secrecy they gathered i june 2015 in the coat hous into mourn for the trial the prosecutors revealed all o those details behind the murde of justin michael, first tim the public heard any of it first time justin's family and fiancée finally understood wha happened >> the detectives and th prosecutors had shared n information with us other than the fact of who they arrested. >> and the little they learned during the pre trial hearing could be confusing and painful >> as things started to come out a little bit i texted andy and i said, how did he get you i. d.? and he was like, i don't know, and i just had that feeling of what if andy had something t do with this >> but, prosecutors have goo reasons for keeping the detail of their cases from the public and even from the family
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>> we don't want the publicity of the evidence to taint the jury panel >> but now as the trial began, they were confident they had all the evidence they needed even without the still missing murder weapon. what happened to it? i mean, he crashed the car apparently, right away, he either got rid before that o -- >> our theory, at least, i that some between him gettin home before the murder and officers doing that extensiv search and being arrested that evening, he was able to ge back and retrieve the weapon and throw it in the lake >> and then once it's in the lake, there is no way you're gonna find it? >> not without a lot of work >> with all the other evidence collected, prosecutors fel they had enough. >> with the physical evidenc that we were able to get specifically from drew and a the homicide scene and at davi 's house, from a ballistic perspective we were able t connect all of those dots.
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>> the state showed the jury ammunition, magazines, targets for practice shooting, david's reconnaissance notes, a ma containing justin' neighborhood, a can of peppe spray, even a flash flood that for all of david's careful planning ultimately betrayed him. it was something that caught the attention of justi siblings >> there are two times h reacted significantly in the whole trial and one was when they found the fingerprint o the battery of the flashligh and he wore gloves when he was carrying the flashlight but no when he was putting th batteries in, and when he said that he went - >> as of david understood hi error. it was at the trial, sai justin's mom, where she learne what the red light in her eyes was. it was not some kind of strang
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flashlight that she thought, i was a red laser pointer, mos likely attached to the murde weapon >> pointed at my face, that is a very sobering thought. sitting at the trial, a broa back a lot of trauma issues an that being one of them and the other thing that reall bothered me was finding ou that this guy had the gun si inches from justin's face when he shot him four times >> because we had thought that he was in the hallway at the doorway and somehow it makes i more invasive to know that h is that close and -- >> it was an execution, yeah >> you look at somebody's face and make that choice to kill them - to me, that's just beyon troubling.
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it's just unfathomable, still. like the twilight zone >> the prosecutor say david' computer searches were last, and then the jury and everybod else heard would david looke up on his laptop the day before the murder. a window into the mind of killer the only murderin murder guide you will ever need seriously. convicted crimes of passion, traffic cameras in what' grimes, hell look like and so on. interesting that he would aske what's hell looks like >> there is some reference t the confessional time. >> that is times when some local priest would be available, a priest whose oath would sell him to secrecy >> he obviously was concerne about what was going to happen to him had he committed this murder
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>> that day where all th computer stuff came out was particularly brutal day in court for me, it was hard fo me to handle, i had to leave decided i couldn't go back i the afternoon it was overwhelming >> it was too hard to hear, yo couldn't go back, but what mad it so hard >> just seeing my name justin' name, he had googled my name looked at my facebook page o whatever for months seeing the
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location from where he was t our house and to know that h was that close >> and here you were, oblivious, living to the happiest days of your life. >> yes >> in his closing, prosecuto steve told jury what must have happened >> david was obviously fixated on angie, she broke off with him and that caused him some pain and hurt, and then that wound would reopened when he started working with justin an justin wound up getting engage and david would be concerned about the fact that it was justin that was with angie and that he couldn't be with her because of him >> so he gradually formed plan that somehow he was going to get rid of justin possibly even get angie back again. i realize that there is a high bar to cross to be considere insane, by the legal system, but that's pretty crazy, isn't it >> well, he had a goal and h worked to achieve that goal. so his trying to commit this murder, trying to plan and mak sure that he got away with it.
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replete with a killer's motive and awful deeds. rarely does that evidence so clearly portray such planning, such devious a man who knew exactly what he was doing when he murdered justin michael, said the prosecution. then, it was time for th defense -- >> that was the worst day of the trial. >> ladies and gentlemen -- >> defensive tierney keith ray did not dispute the wealth o evidence all truth, and mystery
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big david moffatt did kill just, inside the defense because h was legally insane therefore, not guilty. >> the facts in this case ca be disputed. the fact that this happens because of a mental diseas isn't really in dispute becaus this makes no sense otherwise. what's happens here, for lac of a better term, is crazy >> why should the jury believe that this was the star witness, dr. peter brayden, the famous, i controversial, psychiatrist. he condemned the use o psychotropic drugs he testified that david ha been taken antidepressants o and off for years, and what'david did was the drug' fault. >> i think the whole thing evolves out of a progressive hampering of his brain from th drugs. >> it was drug induced violence, the doctor told the jury drug induced murder.
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back in the courtroom, and she listed it and upset would no be quite the right word. >> it was laughable, almost. how much money they had to spend to find this guy who's gonna say exactly what the defense wants him to say >> were you afraid the jur would buy it >> of course you're always a little afraid because it's scary to think that he could potentially get off with a insanity plea. the more he talked, the more i was -- it was frustrating to sit ther and listen to him. >> you walk into somebody' bedroom -- >> yes it's horrible. >> he told you he thought abou whether it was right or wrong, right? >> no, he told me in the beginning he thought about
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whether it was right or wrong, and then it didn't enter his mind anymore it was like he was in a vide game, or an activity that wa outside of the normal reality. he even thought about killin somebody else. toward the end, he's jus become - i believe, the victim of thi manic episode driven by th drugs. it just wasn't him >> it's the jury that does mak the decision, right? >> they do >> you never know what a jur is going to do it's always an anxious momen when you're trying to wait for them to return a verdict >> oh, but it wasn't a moment. hour after hour they waited. and then, almost seven hours later -- >> the judge asks, do we have verdict? the jury says they do. >> do you find the defendant
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guilty of murder in the firs degree >> if david moffatt felt anything in that moment, h didn't show it >> nothing stone cold reaction. almost gave you chills up your spine. the >> insanity defense clearl did not work >> the threshold that you have to reach for the insanit defense is not understanding the nature and consequence o your actions, or not understanding right or wrong you look at the degree o premeditation, the degree of planning that went into that those are not the actions of a insane person. >> it does nothing to brin justin back. >> it would've been horrific i he had not been found guilty it did help. >> can you imagine if that person was still free in our society? who knows who we would'v attacked next? and he would've. >> i think he would've >> i think he enjoyed th planning and seeing if he coul
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accomplish hid task. >> the verdicts are always hard, i think, because nobody ever wins in the situation. this family is obviously still in pain. the moffatt family is in pai as well. there really is no winner here we want to hold him responsibl for what he did, and the jury' verdict did. >> would they have caught hi without those lucky breaks had david moffatt not lost control of his car on that gravel road, how the cop not spotted the wreck off in the dark - if you hadn't stopped, if yo went on your merry way - >> my involvement was just a citizen driving up the road. >> how the deputies instinct not pushed him to seize david' car, he probably would've been caught, eventually but, - what do you think about this now, when you look back on it? >> thankful. very thankful that i trust i my gut because we're trying to
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do that from day one it's the only thing that you have to back you up when you'r by yourself. >> sure. if somebody seems a little hanky, maybe he is >> you need to investigate i further. it's not prying, it's trying t figure out if there's somethin more to the story than wha you're hearing a lot of the times, winchester got its right. >> neither david moffatt or hi attorney agreed to b interviewed. he appealed and lost his sentence was mandatory i iowa life without parole. cool comfort for justin' family, only photos of him now memories of the good person he was. habitat for humanity, hi favorite charity, built a hous in his honor his colleagues at wells farg worked on it >> it's the perfect memorial for him. >> he would've liked to se something good come out of the terrible thing that happened
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>> there's a thing that happen to people when they trul grieve is involuntary, and i takes a long time. >> grief is a wave sometimes it just fills you an it takes you away and it happens less frequently no than it did six months or nine months ago but it's still debilitating. and we knew then tha physically he was gone, and in our hearts we still haven't le him go >> it's just still hard to believe that a person could be that evil. evil is only where i could think of inhuman. to do something like that. >> he just seems like he was a spoiled, he didn't get his way and he took justin's life fo no reason. >> and the woman at the center
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of it all, what kind of a life would she have had with him? a thought, perhaps, best lef packed away, like a lot of things >> i had a wedding dress, th house's book, the venue booked catering booked. we were just a little over two months out >> boy oh boy, a wedding dress is such a symbol what do you do with a thin like that? where do you put it >> i haven't even looked at it >> where do you put it >> it's in my mom's basement she's moved a couple of time and it's in her basement >> i'm craig melvin. and this is dateline >> it's shocking it just kind of, you go into crisis mode.

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