>> today on velshi, the very latest on the trum investigation that may b closing in on an indictment as the ex presidents old former fixer turned star witness is set to testify before manhatta grand jury tomorrow. two veterans of donald trump's second impeachment trial representative madeleine dea and stacey plaskett discus what it means for our democrac if we don't see movement o some of the other trum investigations, like the violent insurrection tha followed trump's 2020 election loss it is now a reality of post ro america, women facing dire health risks are routinely

denied the care they need to survive. now, five of those women are fighting back, bringing th landmark case against the stat of texas for denying the lifesaving care. and while they're at it, they're exposing one of th most insidious lies of the antiabortion movement. and, california congressman an u.s. senate candidate, ada schiff, talks about trumpism the future of democracy, the war in ukraine, and more velshi starts now. good morning it is sunday, march 12th i'm ali velshi we begin today with an insurrection although probably not the on you're thinking of and an important warning, th biden administration i publicly announced that russia actors, some with direct tie to russian intelligenc operations, are seeking to sow political unrest and protest i moldova, a nation that was formally part of the sovie union. according to the nationa security spokesman, it is --

quote a manufactured insurrection against the moldovan government, and quote the biden administration adds, quote, russia is pursuin options to weaken the moldovan government probably with the eventual goal of seeking a mor russian friendly administratio in the capital russia trying to interfere in foreign country sovereignt should of course sound familia to you russia invaded ukraine with th goal of overthrowing the pro-western government there and replacing of the pro-russian government of course, the united states i no stranger to russian meddlin and disinformation after all, russia did interfer in the 2016 election, leadin to donald trump's victory, according to u.s. intelligence from there, he went on to th most anti-democratic of ways t incite the january 6th insurrection in an effort to stay in power. despite the fact the forme president --

the show yesterday morning the congressman, former chai of the historic january si committee, told me he expect trump will one day be held t account. >> i think, ali, we'll see tha in due time. as you know, our committee looked very seriously at wha went on on january 6th, th perpetrators of all of it, all of that. and our final product, w clearly put the onus on donald trump. he was the problem, he instigated that, h orchestrated it. >> while we await justice fo his role on january 6th, i appears that trump may soon be held accountable for one of hi other many transgressions, michael cohen, trump's forme attorney, the man who once handled his dirty work, set to testify tomorrow before a gran jury in the years-long investigation in the storm daniels hush money payments. cohen is a key witness in th

case, spent more than seve hours on friday meeting with prosecutors in manhattan in total, this was his 20t meeting with them, know donald trump has been invited t testify before grand drain yor city one of his attorneys tells nbc news that they have, quote, no plans to meet with the manhattan district attorney' office last night, my msnbc colleague the reverend al sharpton talked about where things stan the lead prosecutor, the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg. >> we have an active investigation, many observed last year that the trial of th trump organization's, what i would say is the same team working with the same type o professionalism and rigor, the same type of team or activ investigation, all refrain fro saying anything more than, tha would prejudice an investigation. >> follow the facts, as moderate party, wearin background, what did you do? what does the law say? >> all, right joining me now i

democratic representative, natalie dean of pennsylvania member of the house judiciar committee. served as that house impeachment manager for th second impeachment trial o donald trump representative dean, good to see you, thank you for being with us this morning >> good morning, great to be with you >> let's talk about, we hear from alvin bragg, we know what may or may not be happening in that case. that is sort of a smaller case as far as people are concerned traditionally those cases ar not prosecuted all that much and the penalties for that kin of thing is not all that great i think a lot of eyes are fixe on the other things, on januar 6th, on jack smith's investigation, on what's going on in georgia. and what the january six committee learned that the department of justice hasn't yet acted on >> yes, i am somebody who, a an american citizen, wants accountability for donald trump, any other actors involved in all of these transgressions. obviously, january six being

among the greatest your reporting just a moment ago about russia manufacturing insurrection in moldova. chilling, isn't it but isn't exactly what w suffered here? they manufactured insurrection by donald trump. so, these prosecutions canno come quickly enough for me, bu much more importantly, the cannot come quickly enough for this country, and for th protection of our democracy. >> and we do have to keep in mind there's a political process, the man who's the subject of these investigations, donald trump, is not jus running to be president again, but is an elitist, as far as his party is concerned, in terms of the nomination. for now, now, that is some tim away when i spoke to chairman thompson yesterday, he suggested that, look, he believes that in time, thi will all remedy itself the question is, do we hav that time? >> you know what i find, i see donald trump shrinking before our very eyes you heard the demonic dark

tones that he had in his recen speeches i don't see him as a gathering steam. i see him a shrinking before our eyes and i am impatient, i have t admit, i'm not sure what the calendar looks like when you layer over political aspirations of donald trump. those who still believe in him take a look at what is going o with the revelations around fo news, what they knew, what the reported, how they felt abou donald trump and his lies. you layer that over, with al of these investigations, and i hope prosecutions, and there will be the right time for america to see the truth >> you know, you talk about hi dark speech, donald trump' dark speech started with his inauguration speech. this one at cpac was quite remarkable, in which h proclaimed to the audience, am your justice, i am your retribution. i mean, this is a weir language that, by the way, goe back decades, and is attache to some of the world's mos

murderous dictators. i mean, it's authoritarian dictatorial language i am your retribution. >> yes, chilling again, sounded like somethin out of hitler's playbook o speeches one historian recently compare it to language that -- used in germany. but we have been hearing thi all along from donald trump. i don't know if it's stephen miller who is his ghost writer and ghastly writer, these ar things that are out of the authoritarian playbook they should not be appealing t the american people. and i would contrast tha completely with th administration that we currently have it's an administration tha seeks to build up people, no tear them down or divide them, it's an administration that is seeking greater equal rights voting rights. economic opportunities so, the contrasts of light and

dark could not be more clear >> representative dean, i want to talk about women, we're talking a lot about women an the things that keep them from achieving a quality and th road that is still left to hoe in terms of fairness for women you are supporting ros delauro's -- women equal pay act in thi country. yet, women still are depending on how you do the math somewhere between 77 and 8 some cents on the dollar compared to men. and the rate at which we'r closing that gap will take us, depending on what you read, 80 to 200 years what is the likelihood o something being done about thi in this congress >> well, we'll continue to fight for. rosa delauro is an amazing fighter. and you saw what we were abl to do in the majority around expanded child tax credit, pai family leave we will continue to fight fo it she's an extraordinary fighter has an awful lot of support. unfortunately, we're in th

minority, just in a slim minority, but i see reflecte in the presidents budget proposal, some of these very same things. when i talk about women's pay, fair pay, what is impressive t me is the fact that over our lifetime, as women earn less for the jobs they're doing compared to the man sittin next to them or on the zoo next to them, it is a lifetime of losses, career losses tha are so impressing. and we must do something about it i look forward to moving som of the pieces of the president budget when we are back in th majority, i am certain we will pass rosas bill. >> i have to say, as someone who's been an economic journalist for years, an please the president has actually provided a budget o time, and that, i'm hoping congress will do something about it but what you just said they're about in the presidents budget the look pleaded of this budge emerging, representing anythin that it looks like right now given the influence of the

chaos caucus, part of th republican party, it isn't out they are asking for cuts tha would decimate existin programs, let alone anything new that anyone wants to fund. >> i think they're asking fo very dark cuts they even have medicare, socia security on the chopping block many of them i want to say, look back t what we are able to do with th last congress. against all odds, a lot of people thought, oh my goodness with this slim majority that you have and thi administration, you are neve going to be able to pass climate, improving, clam improving legislation like the inflation reduction act. you're never gonna be able t do transportation an infrastructure you're never gonna be able t do stem, chips, and robust manufacturing incentives people thought we couldn't d it, so, i don't agree that thi budget is dead on arrival, i think much of it can and wil

be enacted >> i don't know up bipartisa stuff can happen, you know tha better than i do, there is something that's happening on bipartisan level that' important to a lot o americans. you're involved in that. you're part of the bipartisa fentanyl prevention caucus we've seen a remarkabl increase, after seeing a decrease in the use of opioids we saw an increase over th course of covid. tell me what you're doing an what the success for tha project looks like >> thank you for lifting tha up we have just begun a bipartisa prevention caucus. joe neguse and i am th democratic side, and representatives isa an culver's, excuse me, on th republican side. and to frame it, take a look a the numbers, it is devastating in the year, september of 20 to september of 21, excuse me, 2020 to 2022, 108,000 people died of overdose

70% of those fentany poisoning. i want to make it clear, it is poisoning, when people are taking something and they don' know it's laced with fentanyl. i've met too many parents have lost children to fentany poisoning. we have to do something abou it we cannot just demonizing folk at the border. we have to recognize where these precursor chemicals ar coming in from china, go t mexico, for manufacturing, and transportation across lega ports of entry we must do something about it. one of the things we want to d is educate folks, particularly educate our children, who ma think it's fun or experimentin with recreational drugs, maybe thinking about taking percocet, having the way the o that they're actually taking fentanyl, which will take thei life 107,000 people in a single year, that is 300 people every singl day, ali, today, tomorrow, las week, this coming week, ever single day, 300 people

so, the spirit of this caucu is to say, what can we do to stop what i call a jetliner day of souls crashing to the earth. we have to do everything in ou power, number one is educate folks. >> well, thank you to you an john goose, and to - from making this a bipartisa effort it needs to get done we appreciate that representative dean, good to see you, as always democratic representative, madeleine dean o pennsylvania's member the hous judiciary committee, served as an impeachment manager for the second impeachment trial o donald trump all right, still ahead, we'r gonna dig further into all the details of a possible criminal indictment for the twice impeached former president whether we should expect one surrounding the events o january 6th. i would talk to members of the house directly involved in prosecuting donald trump durin his impeachment trial as a democratic representativ stacey plaskett of unite states virgin islands on the democratic representative, ada schiff, of california. plus, vanishing before our eyes, will shine a spotlight on th fight for equality that wome

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shot hit jones will hit target that are far from the battle front lines in eastern ukraine instead, russia hit targets in areas including the ukrainia capital of kyiv, and the western city of lviv it is the latest instance of russia's ongoing attacks o civilians, and civilia infrastructure which is mean to incite terror death and destruction, and as i, mentioned many of russia's mos substantial tax have bee conducted using these irania -made drones it means a martyr, someone who gives up their life for, cause the drones is the name implies are unmanned, but they are sel destructing planes that ar typically equipped wit explosives and dive bombs an their targets. russia has been utilizing thes drones since last summer, with a very high success rate ukraine has also had recen success shooting the drone down although the cost of th missiles that are used to do that far exceed the cost of th relatively cheap drones. during my time in, ukraine m

team was invited to take a loo at two - that ukraine shot down in th odessa region of the sea bac in october of 2022 there are now housed in a room in a building in kyiv. mark roberts, a member of my team on the ground, got a cras course from a ukrainian dron expert who as you will, se part of his face covered t protect his identity >> what have we got here >> here you can see jones an the russian federation use i the war against ukraine, it is both - produced in iran here is the one, and here yo can see it is a small -- one through one and -- explosive and you could se this area, and 20 kilograms. >> and this one, it is - and can fly with 40 kilograms.

when this place on the lamp, the over flying -- or this drone. >> they are preprogrammed. they are preprogrammed wit coordinates of the target into the drone. >> only by gps, it doesn't - it doesn't - buy station, it is only by gps system >> is it the gps that we all know and have on our phones? or is it a special - >> it is absolutely the same gps on your phone, and other systems cellular systems >> what is the range how far from the target can it be launched? >> it is the distance of two - thousand 500 kilometers. absolutely

>> so a long way away? >> a very big, distance yes. >> so what powers the drones >> here you can see, it is a gasoline engine, and it is a -- german and jim, and it is 50 horsepower, and it is -- >> 50 horsepower, not very big >> not very big. >> and there is 150 kilometers per -- it is very not - and jim. >> so 150 kilometers per hour, that is not very fast. >> not fast. >> is it very expensive piec of machinery >> no, the price of this, think is 40 or $50,000 and when we speak about how to intercept this, and for exampl

you know - our ukrainian system is very expensive, and when we compare it with -- then you find other ways t intercept it for example it is maybe -- gives and supplies us thes systems, and it is cheaper, an a machine gun, and launching b five or ten at the same time w -- at the same time it is a problem as well, because there is more, and you can - but it will be five or more. >> how successful have you'v been in shooting down? >> i think our - due to the help of - intercept near the -

percent. we were here for 100 - and who intercept 90, and will fly through the infrastructure or, jetson it is a problem >> russia so far deployed more than 600 drones, and we se news has learned that is par of what the u.s. calls a full-fledged partnership iranian officials are no helping russia manufacture those drones we are busy -- production of 6000 desig jones. joining me now is a retire major in the u.s., army an urban warfare, and chair of th urban or fair studies at - policy from. is also the author of connecte soldiers, and modern war, an understanding urban warfare. john, good to see you, again

thank you for being with, us i'm always fascinated and so enjoyed your book about th difference between the war tha we see going on in eastern ukraine which is trench warfare, it is world war one, and bes world war ii looking artillery frontline warfare. then, these drones, they cos 40 or $50, 000, a fraction o the missiles that it costs t intercept them and russia is about to mak 6000 of them >> yeah, absolutely, ali, ther is a great defense, and there' multiple wars going on ukraine, and this one is a terrorism war. just to try and instill terror which is not going to work i ukrainians, and to be frank, i think we filled ukraine in assisting these down leigh the person said, you can share these down with a machin gun if you have a good radar system that is no way they are coming beforehand before the are hitting the civilians, the civilian infrastructure they were programs to hit >> yeah, in fact, i think back

to afghanistan and the fac that the u.s. gave what wa then the missiles to takedow helicopters, a simple issue, the helicopters were big bulky and relatively slow. they could use the shoulde launched missiles. this gentleman who was talking to mark roberts was saying they have to use these - which are really reall expensive, what is the answe to this? because if this war quickl transforms into a drone war, russians can keep on doing this they can send these things all over the country and just keep taking our power stations. >> absolutely. like you said, they planned to make thousands of these. i think the answer is, the wes provides the air defense systems and they need whethe it is radars, the fact that th patriot was just agreed to b released a little while ago, i will take months to get there. the patriot is also a very expensive system, but it has a integrated radar system to determine what is coming when, and that is what they need to be clear, we haven't give

the ukrainians what they nee to protect themselves, let alone when this war. so doesn't implodes -- >> john, let me ask abou bakhmut, this is a city that the ukrainians have held for a long time, it is a zer strategic importance to anybody, but the russians haven't taken anything, yet they're usin their wagner group which i their mercenary group, wagner' populated by prisoners, they now decided to pull th prisoners back and put actua soldiers in to try and win this lisa haven't, got it but the might. ukrainians said the other, day there are more russians goin into government to fight thi thing than we have ammunitio to deal with him and, that is sort of the recip these, days russians are literally throwing people ou of this war. but the ammunition issue i real, the ukrainians are sayin we are running short, of at th russians are also running short, of it and there is some talk about the chinese providin ammunition to the russians that could be in the short ter a game-changer >> it very well could, be ali,

that is a great assessment i mean the artillery rounds is what we are talking about, russia is fighting a world war i style war where they are using tens of thousands of artillery rounds, an sacrificing thousands. sacrificing -- the ukrainians like napoleon don't interrupt the inter enem when they are fine with th string of the russian wa machine in bakhmut, for as lon as they can reasonably do so before they pull back. that won't be a victory at all for russia, like you, said i the wagner, prisoners mental home, they are emptying th coffers of anybody who wil just run for it and take a bullet it is crazy. the ammunition, absolutely, we need to get you can more ammunition >> you are telling newsweek on march 7th about no matter al the technology the world terrain and weather stil dominate the mob has not returned like

date in february of 2022 to th brain of the russians. we saw the invasion get stoppe literally by mud and other logistical problems like the lack of fuel tell me about that right now where are we right now this russian offensive that we were all expecting didn' really materialize, and we definitely know that com spring, the ukrainians are in better position than the russians are so tell me about what happen in the next several weeks? >> while the mud will continue to be an issue for everyone, but especially the russians wh are trying to move forward i bakhmut. the mud will, as i experience, even in iraq and the invasion, will bring even the world' best military and that is no russia, to a halt. like we saw you, and i talke about this in february of 2020 to constrain to the, roads chunk of the, roads if you do, you get stuck and you can' recover. absolutely, and this is what w think that wagner might be since the west is struggling t get ukraine even a -

leopard 2 tanks that are supposedly coming in at the en of the month, but mood could just be more time needed for ukraine to start their - we are pretty sure russi started theirs, and what we ar seeing is very underwhelming with prigozhin who had a wagne celebrating that he took the easter bakhmut, okay, great, i took you seven months to tak off the city that is pretty crazy >> yeah he the east is the wes side of the river so he is not taking a particularly occupied part of the city after seven months of being the lead mercenary force of russia. john, good to see as, always thank you my friend, joh spencer is a retired major i the united states, army chai of the urban warfare studies program at madison policy for, and the author of connect an soldiers life leadership and social connection in moder war. he's also the author o understanding urban warfare. we have some international breaking news, iran earlier, today iran's foreign ministe told the local state tv that iran and the united states hav

reached an agreement t exchange personnel's at the moment, not much is known about the prisoner swap, including who has been exchang for who, or the timeline o when this swap could happen, o whether it has happened. iran's foreign minister says h hopes it will take place soon, we should note nbc news has no confirmed this information just, yet our white house unit i working to verify it and t find out who the prisoners are being swapped. right now, there are several - the dual iranian citizenship who was sentenced in 2016 to a decade in prison for spying an cooperating with the - still to come, we'll head to israel, where as many as 500,000 israelis took to the streets yesterday across the country, in what is bein called the biggest protest i israel's history what you need to kw noabou that and the related violenc

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difficult week for trans right in this country after on speaker called for the quote eradication of transgender-ism

so i feel compelled to say this, if you are feeling confuse about trans people, if you hav ever secretly in the privacy o your own mind question the validity of trans people listen up. chance, people people who exis outside the binary of male and female, i've been around forever. trans is not, new it is not fad, it is not a woke ideology as well documented evidence of gender expensiveness of chance and non-binary people in cultures throughout, time al over the world 2015 project by pbs compiled a map of gender diverse cultures around the world in every continent, for all of recorded history, but toda trans rights are being threatened increasingly ever day. at the federal level, here i the united states, a bill is advancing in the house tha would ban trends and intersect kids from playing sports imagine, that banning from playing sports four bills passed in state legislature this, week including vance on gende affirming care, for minors i arkansas, and iowa, and sports bin in kansas

ten new bills were introduce last week across the country dozens more anti-trans and anti-lgbt bills progressed there are so many bill attacking trans rights, it i hard to keep up. but i want to focus on one bil in particular in florida, s 254. s b 254. this bill would quantify int law that a parent seekin gender affirming care for thei child, is committing child abuse. a parent seeking gende affirming care for their child's committing child abuse this is not in a country where everybody cares on about the fact that parents have to have the final say on what happen with children, but if you ar parent annual the final say on this you will help your chil get gender affirming care, tha could be child abuse it qualifies gender affirmin care as quote, serious physica harm, in the same section that describes domestic violence, and kidnapping it requires that the court tak custody of any child believe

to be, quote, at risk of receiving gender affirming care i don't know why i'm laughing, i'm only laughing because this is so ridiculous that can' believe it is happening. some gender advocates believ this bill could allow the stat to remove children from th care of their trans parents, simply because they are trends after the break, my friend - shares the transgenderaw l center to discuss these latest attacks on trans rights. ed safety system. [alarm] >> instructor: veer right. [ringing] >> instructor: and slow down. >> tech: so when he got a cracked windshield, he turned to safelite. we're the experts at replacing glass and recalibrating your vehicle's camera, so automatic emergency braking and lane departure warning work properly to get you back on the road safely. >> instructor: and that means a lot! >> tech: schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪♪ inner voice (kombucha brewer): if i just stare at these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves. right? uhh...nope.

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aimed at limiting the rights o chance to enter americans bein introduced and state house across the, country before the break i mention one bill tha was introduced this week i florida that could qualify gender affirming care as child abuse. for more on this, i'm joined b the body award winning journalist tamar jones, she is the founder of - church and standard law center and host of trans podcast an

my friend, good to, see yo thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me >> most people in this country do not have to experienc gender affirming care, the don't really know what it means, most people i think in goo faith would not think it i child abuse, or akin to, kidnapping or -- what exactly are we talkin about here in the florida bill >> i mean, what we are talking about is the predicate t separate parents from thei children, we have seen thi road tested in florida last year with an executiv order from governor abbott which has resulted in thousand of people in that state, child welfare agencies resigning rather than enforce this particular executive order so now we see it in the law, and it is not a surprise because usually we see one action work when it comes to anti-trans and other christian nationalists legislation, it becomes the model for things t happen across the country. so texas was not the first florida won't be the last.

>> let's talk about a tweet we saw from minnesota governor ti walz who said today a to executive action to protec access to gender affirming health care in minnesota my message is clear, here in minnesota, our lgbtq+ neighbor were not behind or punish or seeking life affirming and lif saving medical care. is there enough of this goin on to offset the other stuff because a number of anti-trans bills as we mentioned, mor than 300, we are in march of this year, and more than 300 - how do we keep up with us? >> there is no offset for this if in one place a child is separated from their parents there is no care for that. so i would say that the answer is no, this is not an equation these are human beings, thes are people, and these ar lives. and i think what we are seeing across the board right now is road test for authoritarianism in the united states how can you sort of separate demonize, stigmatize an entire

group of people in order t build the type of society that -- want and they are trying this, an really what i get confused by, is why people don't see that i what is happening. why don't they understand that in some ways this is a prototype just like the earl 1930s were in germany. i'm not saying this is a improvement of period in - the protest everything in 1930 germany they went after tran and gave people first, and the try that out, and society wa like i don't understand them and doesn't matter to me >> that is exactly right and the same thing is happening, here and why that is - why this isn't seen is actuall something that is deeply alarming to me song that we ar talking about at this morning. >> i am concerned though because when you talk about -- they're also the ones who sa parents should have decision making about what their kids read,, learn or what they do

what they don't, do so now i we are talking about prancer don't give their kids gender firming care, that is no actually something we want parents to be able to do >> well, religious - doesn't seem to be mutuall exclusive to hypocrisy, and so i think that you know, it is very much that they think what they say goes. because they have got on their side everyone else just has to live with it. and that is not the type o society that we are supposed t have in the modern world, an that is not the society if the actually read the constitution that they say they adhere to it specifies that, and so we are in a really dangerou period ali i think these bills ar becoming much more aggressive, and they are going to go as fa as they possibly can, and al of this underscores the fact that no anti-trans laws an anti-trans ideology is not a plant of the republican party, it is a pillar of the modern republican party

>> the courts of this have generally held that kid should not be separated from thei parents, in fact some observer say, wow it feels like i should be separated from parents. but courts generally say, no even if you are not that goo appearance, the courts generally do this. will these many bills, many of which are those that hold up because we have society believ generally speaking with very few exceptions, parents are th ones who should bring up their children >> in most of the modern american airam, and you ar right once these laws had to the supreme court, they will bounce right back like - i don't think that we are in that period anymore and i thin we have absolutely no idea wha is going to happen, and give the current composition of the court they seem to be able t find ways to make things stand that should not stand, and so