>> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters for new york. welcome, everyone, to alex wit reports, breaking news thi

hour the state department is callin earlier reports of a new prisoner exchange agreemen between iran and the unite states a cruel ally. the report today on irania state tv attributes the foreig minister with making tha statement about the prisoner swap deal. again, the u.s. is rejecting that statement let's hurry to embassies megan fitzgerald who standing by i london let's get to what this is al about. what do you know, megan? >> alex, you are absolutel right. what we know is that the iranian foreign minister mad these remarks on iranian state tv saying that iran in the u.s. have made this deal to exchang prisoners that the iranian sid is all set and ready to go they're waiting on the u.s side to sort things out. the ministry saying that he' hopeful that this would happen soon of course, there was no detail provided there was no evidence suggeste of what this is all about. as you said, the united states government, the stat department saying that this is

a cruel ally we are hearing from the stat department, ned price, spokesperson in a statemen that i want to read for you in part it says statements from irania officials that a deal regardin the exchange of prisoners ha been reached our another especially cruel lie that only adds to the suffering of their families we are working relentlessly to secure the release of the thre wrongfully detained american in iran. then of course, he goes on t say that is something that the won't stop doing until those wrongfully detained american in iran are home alex, really important not here that we have seen thi from iranian officials in th past in a similar situation sayin things that weren't actually true there is speculation fro experts who say they do that a we are trying to sway public opinion, alex. >> interesting we know what the sydenham is saying that's what we're gonna go with. thank you very much, megan fitzgerald, for that let's go now to some more bi developments this hour brand-new comments from former

vice president mike penc offering the sharpest criticis yet of former president trum for his role in the january 6t riot during remarks at the annual gridiron dinner in washington, pence said president trump was wrong. more on what penn center - his comments come after a week that saw some republicans tr to reframe the attack on the capitol as a largely peacefu protest. earlier today, republicans tha our kevin kremer was asked about the contrast on meet the press. >> where do you come down. tucker carlson insider mik pence aside. >> both sides can be rhetorically but the problem i that - a four-hour stroll through the capital that's marred by a hal hour of rioting that's and mak it a peaceful protest. nobody was supposed to be in the capital. there is not a single person who's completely innocent of wrongdoing >> also new today, more lega questions for donald trump a

he meets with his lawyers this weekend. he's been invited testif before in york rancheria's par of an investigation into hus money paid to adult film sta stormy daniels back in 2015. manhattan district attorney -- spoke with msnbc about where things stand in this case. >> we have an active investigation. many observed last year that the trial of the trump organization and so what i would say is the same team i working with the same type o professionalism and rigor an the same type of team on our active investigation i'm gonna straight from saying anything more than that becaus i don't to prejudice any investigation. >> growing concerns today over the collapse of silicon valley bank, that is the second biggest bank failure in u.s. history, and in fact the positives will be able t access their money by tomorrow but standard insurance onl protects up to $250,000 for deposit or earlier today, treasur

secretary janet yellen was asked whether the government will bail out that bank. >> during the financial crisis there were investors and owner of systemic large banks that were bailed out and we'r certainly not looking and th reforms that have been put i place means that we're not going to do that again we are concerned about the pause deters and we're focused on trying to meet their needs. >> we got more now and all the stories of the developments. we reported someplace for th white house to capitol hill to wilmington let's go first to the whit house. nbc's allie raffa with more. on former vice president mik pence is pretty fier cumminsville trump ali, welcome what did he say? >> former vice president mik hands not mincing words in a speech overnight, delivering his most blistering comments yet about his former boss an his role in the january 6t

attack on the capitol. saying quote president trump was wrong. i had no right to overturn the election and his reckless fo his endangered my family and everyone at the capitol that day. and i know that history will hold donald trump accountable. his criticism coming as th former president tries to carv his way back to the white house. making his 2024 iowa debut monday on the heels of his likely top primary rivals firs appearance in the same state florida governor ron desanti still not officially in th race promoting his book in some style speeches friday whil taking swipes that bot president biden and hi republican predecessor mr. trump makes his pitc nearly 1000 miles away in ne york, the former attorne michael cohen will testify before a grand jur investigating hush money payments he made on behalf of the tha 2016 candidate to former adult film star, stormy daniels. mr. trump denies any wrongdoin and says he never had an affair. all of this coming as new york

prosecutor signal a possible indictment soon in the ongoing probe into his busines affairs. inviting him to testify before a grand jury next week the former president hoping hi legal perils don't hurt hi chances politically. after new polling shows a stil strong but slipping hold o iowa republicans back to you. >> thank you so much, al raphael. let's bring in peter baker msnbc political analyst chie white house correspondent fo the new york times also lisa rubin, our msnbc legal analysts who we very muc appreciate both of you in fact peter, we have mike pence who' calling out trump reac anywhere east sixth. why now, what is his ankle doesn't matter >> why now, look at th calendar he's focused on his ow possible run for the presidenc at this point. watching all of the energy, th alternative part of the part going to run desantis. mike pence is basically trying to carve out a lane fo himself. it's a hard lane for him t find the trump people, always fro people, people who are ver

loyal to trump still angry a mike pence and will probably never support him. the never trumpers, people i the party who never politicall like trump and you think he' dangerous, find tends to be to supportive of the former president. he's trying to explain his one most important, most memorable decision in that presidenc with the way that will resonat with at least somebody in th republican party i think what he's saying her is no longer trying to equivocate on what trump didn' january six. trying to be much clearer abou the fact that this was wrong and should never have happened donald trump should be accountable. that's what he said, history will call him a countable. >> he did say that donald trump, for his part he's right on preparing for hi trip to iowa monday. a possible indictment is wel from the manhattan attorne generals office is hanging ove his head peter, how might this affect his campaigning? >> i think you'll see -- if you already see - uses as a motivating factor in the politics of grievance that he so good at. he stokes up the crowd

he makes out - investigation of him is part o a persecution, a witch anthony turns around and say are coming after me becaus they're coming after you in other words this is all political. last week, he said his campaig is gonna be all abou retribution. that's his word, retribution taking revenge against these people who are coming afte him. it's obviously never a positiv for political figure to be indicted particularly until being one o many what we see here is a very likely or least possible situation where we have on indictment after another and the next weeks or months t come, georgia it looks like. fulton county prosecutor dow there is possibly getting read to indict don january six. january election fraud-related claims we don't know yet about jack smith the special counsel bu if you were to indict as well, the accumulation of those coul have a real impact >> let's talk about th manhattan da has done. which is invited trump t testify before a grand jury.

it's so that he is likely goin to face charges. trump is holding with hi attorneys this week. do we know anything about that meeting and next to you on the legal stuff? >> lisa knows illegal stuf better than i do the question for him is to you testify as he's been invited i think that seems unlikely. never have any times he took the fifth amendment in tha other case in new york -- during one deposition. he doesn't seem likely to go forward in front of rancheri this point remember what's really interesting about this case. this case was done this case was investigated and done under - nobody was going to be chargin the former president at that point. two years went by after he lef office when he was no longer i any way immune from prosecutio and nobody decided to do it. the prosecutor said had to pic it up again. you don't pick up a case and g back to a grand jury unles you're planning to indict. that seems like a logica possibility here i think you have to assume, think his lawyers are assuming

and indictments a very rea prospect here. >> lisa, are they taking a har look at testifying or is tha already off the table? >> i think it's off the tabl for some of the reasons that peter already discussed. this is a person who at leas understood that he was i enough jeopardy to have take the fifth amendment almost 500 times in a prior civil o position with the new york attorney generals office we also know that when donal trump's unconstrained, doesn't vote the fifth and testify civilly. he gets himself into all sorts of trouble exhibit a for that is this deposition in the carroll case which about the rails eigh ways from sunday i think it's highly unlikely that he accepts the substation and alex it is only an invitation it is not a subpoena he's not being compelled t testify. it is a courtesy built into new york criminal law. >> peter brings up a goo point. this is the first bu potentially the first of a few indictments coming down th pike between this hush money case

classified documents, januar 6th, claims of electio interference, the ones that he was referencing there out of atlanta. georgia, rather. which investigations should th trump camp be most worried about? >> the trump camp should b worried about all of them. in each of these cases, each o the investigators have a ver plausible criminal case agains him. however, when we're talkin about how much crimina exposure or how much priso time the former president coul face certainly, the federal investigations are the one that posed the most jeopardy for him. of course, you have to balance that against how likely ar charges. i think that's investigation where charges are the most u in the air we know the lease about that investigation. all in the grandeur disputes they have been sealed. the investigation we seem to know the most about right no is the one that many peopl would say is the least serious but that doesn't mean that - his team don't have the good and the former president of course, their consideration

is not, should be charging because other people might hav more serious crimes. they're only concerned with is this a crime in new york state and have other people who have done similar things been prosecuted against that lands, they'r perfectly within their justification to go forwar against the former president >> let's jump ahead and sa there is an indictment at which point do you think trial begins does it happen before th primary season doesn't happen before the 2024 election especially since yesterday about this, what is trump to always always always his first primary legal tactic is to file motions to delay. >> for trump, i think pete would agree with me. delay has often been a successful litigation tactic you wind by delay. the former president has already been caught in crosshairs this year trying to play two judges of one another. in trying to essentially delay existing civil cases he is already trying to move the manhattan attorney general

civil fraud case which i scheduled for october to a later date for example alex, one of the questions i just work and he slot this in? i think that's one of th reasons among many that th manhattan da's office is movin ahead as it's critically a they are the one at the time to try him where he can't credibly claim am too busy, you're interfer with my right to be candidate. those are -- they are politically salient and the da is aware of those factors. >> last question to you, peter that is if donald trump is indicted, certainly he citie continue campaign, the questio is will republicans suppor him. do you have any measure of that? >> i don't think we have a rea sense of that yet. obviously, it will be somethin he used this as a politica appeal to his core base. that will generate more suppor for him among them >> that's the core base. there are a lot of peopl outside the core base, right >> yes and no. look at the polls. he still leading desantis even though people know he'

indictments are coming it hasn't changed their mind about it i do think that risk for trump is not that people will be upset about the things he' charged with because it can be a warning of the facts of this case made a chairman when we are th -- i think the thing that could b risky for trump is that ther is a fatigue factor in here. a lot of you who like trump, republicans who say look, like to think he did a president. i thought it was goo president. look at all of this trauma here is there a different way forward in which we could have some of the same things withou having to worry about whethe this costs milan action. when we lose him, whether we have something who might b sent to prison as a candidate. they may look at around th sentence or some other alternative and say we can o all the things we thought were good about trump without som of the baggage >> you know how many of my ver saturated producer knick credit here. he just jumped in here it is the core supporters. it's the base that comes out during the primaries he's absolutely right. apparently, he want to be part of the conversation. there we go. good to see you both thank you much let's go now to a new warnin

for spring breakers. texas is joining the white house, issuing its own trave advisory about planning trip to mexico and embassies gary grumbach is the president' wilmington delaware. gary, are these new travel warnings for all of mexico o certain parts like across th border what do you know about that? >> alex, four year, is there been a six parts of mexico wit the state farm - do not travel to for america citizens because the risk of crime and the risk of possible kidnapping now the texas department o public safety is telling its residents do not travel to mexico at all in a matter what that is simply just east o texas and the department publi safety there saying that about mexico this all came to a head for tw reasons. just a recent source that we'v seen of americans heading over across the border to mexico. and getting caught up with mexican drug cartels to wear actually killed in one instanc there are three women missin in another instance after they were heading to go to a flea

market down in mexico. at the white house is well aware of this. they've released a statement that says in part the united states and mexico will bring all of the resources to bear got the cartels. and transnational criminal organizations that kill an exploit citizens for enormou profits. the united states mexico stand firm in the commitment t disrupt these criminal network that are impacting bot countries. the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, but menendez, was a spare chec tommy to press this mornin about at the situation here's what he had to say. >> the reality is along th border communities it is the cartels that run the borde communities, not the governmen of mexico. mexico has a responsibility. first and foremost to its ow citizens to establish safety and security within its ow territory, and to those wh visit its country as well. >> and that call for safety an security comes at a very critical time here, it's spring, college students want to get

somewhere warm unaffordable. and a lot of times they pick mexico to do that. aaa is saying that it is going to have a 30% more travel to mexico than they've seen i recent years, alex >> thank you for that, w appreciate it let's move some breakin news from san diego. the desperate search resumes today for victims of a deadl migrant tragedy. two smuggling boats crashe while trying to reach shor last night, killing at least eight people several more were on board the boats capsized creating an 800 yard long debris field o the beach. thick field of fog hampered th search for additional victim today. aid and comfort, another curious move by house go members, two of them planned t visit january six defendants i jail you might wonder why it is a good question. so i will ask democrats seth moulton about it, next right? uhh...nope. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes, cheers! with 100% accurate tax calculations guaranteed.

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ago from lawmakers o washington to fox host, tucker carlson's on air trailer of th january 6th riot as a largel peaceful event let's go to capitol hill o nbc's julie tsirkin. julie, welcome on the sunday we heard a lot about it today, what are you hearing >> alex, good to be with you speaker mccarthy just toda defending giving access to tucker carlson and fox news, that 41,000 hours of footage from january 6th, and it is no secret that carlson's portraya of this footage on friday lead to bipartisan condemnation her in the capital and i am told privately that there is frustration among republicans with wha leadership in part is allowing to keep happening here keeping january 6th in the headlines. not only with these tapes, but also with this investigative panel and the house led by republican, barry loudermilk looking into the investigation that happened by the january 6th select committee take a listen to wha republican congresswoman nancy mace had to say, and also what

benny thompson said about this who, remember, was the chairma of that panel. watch. >> i said early on last mont that the release of the footag was important, that it shoul be released to every outlet, including cnn. every media outlet every defense attorney so that the public can see for itself and there was violence on that day, you cannot deny that. and it was a dark day in our history. >> it's part of this misinformation that is being put out there about th speaker's office and obviously with another network, so w will see we stand by our work as committee, we feel very prou of it. i think based on the reactio that we've gotten overall, people saw what pierre wit their own eyes what happened >> alex, obviously media outlets including ours have no received that access tha mccarthy has promised yet, but

mace actually went on to say that both sides keep bringin january six up and it is quote keeping us from moving our country forward. and that is interesting becaus it is this juxtaposition o concessions that mccarthy made to the far-right of this party to keep talking about this issue, and then you have mor mainstream republicans wanting to focus on the energy, on inflation, on crime. all of these issues that has unfortunately for them, bein drowned out by the top o january six that is bein spearheaded by speaker mccarthy, the leader of their party. >> yes, julie, thank you s much for bringing us up th wrap and those soundbites. joining me right now i massachusetts congressman seth moulton and democratic membe of the house on services and transportation infrastructur committees as well as th select committee on china. welcome, my friend here is my question. what - why do you think republicans want to investigate the januar six committee? what do they think they ar going to uncover, and i' curious if privately, do any o your gop colleagues tell you this is a waste of time an would rather move on >> i mean, let's answer th

simple question first. yes. there are plenty of sensible republicans who think this is total waste of time, and the reason they think that i because it is. it is a total sham let's not forget that th committee established to investigate january 6th was bipartisan committee it reached bipartisan solution on a wealth of evidence, mostl coming from people within th trump administration itself. now what does the gop decide t do instead they are investigating the investigation. and the person made in charg to lead this investigation was someone who was investigated himself for his role in th insurrection >> right, so i mean, i still can't figure out why but let me ask you this as w turn now to house oversigh committee chair, james comer and marjorie taylor greene who want members of congress t visit january six defendants i jail what is that about and wha message are they sending

>> of course they're saying th same message that they've been saying all along, which is tha they support insurrections against the united states. >> that's a strong word to use alex, but these are essentiall treasonous people who think it's okay t try and overthrow ou government and they continue t try and whitewash their role i it there are a lot of people in prison who should be visited b members of congress. people around the world, eve some people in the unite states who, many people thin are imprisoned unjustly. those are the types of peopl who should be visited in prison this is political theater full and through, and it is not surprising to see barr loudermilk, again, his role, b the way was leading people through the capitol on a tou just before the insurrection the day before he did that >> right >> so to see him in marjorie taylor greene at the head of this, it is not that difficult to figure out what is going on

this is a political sham >> okay, let's turn to the collapse of the silicon valley bank do you think the governmen should consider a bailout. are you worried having it be a domino effect on other regiona banks, or do you think it is a isolated situation >> it is a concern, that's for sure and i have been working th phones all weekend talking t democrats and republicans an people who could make some decisions on this. let me share a few things. first of all, we have a lot of confidence in -- she saw us through the financial crisis actually if you look at the meeting note that she wrote, she was ofte the one predicting the futur and knowing what was going t happen as the treasury secretary righ now, i can think of a better person to be managing this and what they need to be doing is finding a buyer for thi bank and silicon valley bank, they've made some really bad bets they made some bad investments frankly, the owners of tha bank should lose all of thei money, but the depositors to get all of their money back.

i'm confident depositors will, and i also think that -- knows what she's doing managin this but look, there is a risk here that this is a psychology an not math, and we don't kno exactly what is going to happe tomorrow morning it could be a bit of a rough day. but i think that there are a lot of good people who are o top of this, who are managin it, who are trying to find a band - buyer. in the right buyer for thi bank could do well by making that purchase, the bottom line alex, is that making these investments is that making sur that people are made whole wil save us money in the long ru because we don't want this t become a contagion >> very good point, we will se what tomorrow brings let's move on to china's new foreign minister who, this week, said that the u.s. and china are hurdling towards inevitabl confrontation and conflict unless washington change course shooting ping also called fo more quickly elevating the armed forces to world clas standards. is this saber-rattling, or i

there a serious and perhap increasing threat for conflict how worried are you about it i >> honestly i'm concerned, but i'm not concerned of what we'r doing, we continue to do the same thing i'm concerned because of wha china has been doing and the mounting rhetoric for sh jinping. he is the one who is said that he wants to invade taiwan, a democratic neighbor. he is the one who has been building up his armed services dramatically we just got wor and just made public that chin now has more intercontinenta ballistic missile launcher than the united states think about that they have a few hundred fo decades, and now they ar trying to get up to superpower status by what, not by being a leader in the world, not b trying to actually condemn russia for their invasion of ukraine and things like that no, they are trying to bill up their nuclear arsenal. so the ones who are rattling

are the chinese. but that does lead to concern. >> i will bet. let me quickly ask you about the u.s. ending the covi testing for travelers from china, do you think this was a diplomatic decision, a kind of concession in a way, was it an effort to bridge the relationship that seems little thorny right now, to sa the least. or was it all based just on th veracity of the pandemic and what stands today? >> look, i think this is administration based o science. i know that is a big chang from the last administration that we had, but the reality i that we are moving into a ne phase of the pandemic where it is a manageable disease as lon as people get their vaccines and i think this polic reflects that. but there is no question tha this is also a bit of an overture, and it soon to chinese people we want you t come here. we have no issue with th chinese people we have an issue with xi jin ping and the chinese communist party. they are the ones who ar building their nuclear arsenal they are the ones that are risking war. we want to continue he

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san francisco in monterrey county the issue here is that the levee broke yesterday, early yesterday morning. a little bit up stream fro town, there is a whole lot o water still not draining fro the higher elevations. now, through 120 foot gap in that levy. and so this town has bee evacuated, fortunately officials say that no one ha been hurt or killed. but this town is flooded befor in the last big flood here i 1995 two people died, so we are keeping track of that as w look through this next atmospheric river. it is the second in the spac of about a week. but i lost track of how many w had in this rough winter i california and this is creating issues, not just here in pajaro. just a huge swath of californi now. some 10 million people under flood watches as the atmospheric rivers continue to wreak havoc across the state >> >> we've been dry for ten years. this is the worst i've eve seen with the snow, the rain

and we were construction so it is hurting our business. >> maybe two feet inside the house, maybe an inch on th floor. we work very hard to have th house and everything for m family, and for the next 2 hours, we were thinking how to get out of the situation >> similar situation here in a pajaro dunes is not a community that ca afford to be evacuated and people are not gonna be able t get to their homes for quite some time. they have been trying to fix the levee here literally for 6 years it is not something that rates high in the engineer priority list, but they do hav money to fix it in the bipartisan infrastructure la as well as a lot of money from the state of california. the issue is they are not goin to start construction on tha for another two years. it'll take ten years to get it done so they continue to be very, very vulnerable here, alex as more rains look to come in. >> wow, what a story and

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against fox news they say that it might not directly translate to legal, ones adding some of th unflattering private message among the networks hosting executives, may never become evidence when the case comes t trial. joining me now is don calloway democratic strategist an founder of the national vote protection action fund susan del percio, republican strategist, and david charlie, former republican congressma from florida the letter to both msnbc political analysts and my sunday family, that's the most important thing here. but let's continue, don, wit the story here because you are a lawyer, so i want to mine off of yet an what you know. what would keep the privat messages showing how fox execs and hosts really help to fee about evidence do you think fox viewers wil easily forget what we have all learned that actually went o behind the scenes, in fact all of this is out in the public domain does that, play int this at all. the >> couple of different questions there.

what would make them ignore it they don't know it they don't know it because fox news is not reporting on it, and we know there are american families who watch fox new tends to be on intellectua island of their own isolation. so i don't know that all the stuff that we know about how damning these text messages or have ever crossed the threshol of their brains to begin thoug but. i would not allow it would kee these messages out of court, very simple. the rules of civil procedure they are arguably hearsay, and that has got to be top of mind for fox news's lawyers the new york times has absolutely correct that we kno this damning information, bu it may not ever make it into the universe of evidence tha is used to adjudicate this matter but even if it did, i don' know that it matters, again, for fox news viewers who are determined that they are going to lock in and to the extent one must remember that this changes anything in the universe of ho fox does business, the busines of displaying fake news, but i don't think that viewers hav an alternative in more america

news and other universe of crazy -- and also the rise of interne news, so that fox may even los its stronghold over th conservative think karate if w can use that word, think, very often. >> does it go to trial or does it get settled i >> have to imagine it gets settled. there are a lot of damning images out there, and th motions preliminary on the front, if those determine that those text messages get, i then fox news has to settle. >> susan, do you think the outcome of a lawsuit or th fact that it settles, even i it has dna, it's going to ge headlines everywhere but don is certainly right, up perhaps a lot of fox viewers live in a certain bubble do you think it is gonna chang viewership for fox what it even change foxe approach to reporting the truth? >> probably not, because those viewers have already migrate to those more conservative outlets and don is absolutel right talking about thos internet news stations it is amazing the rabbit hol

you can go down in crazy right wing nut so information put ou there that is not factual. but it is interesting, i think with fox, their big thing is how do they settle or not. some people would argue that they have a judiciar responsibility to the board to settle this into the because it can get ver expensive. but i'm curious about how fo treats the republica candidates for president well, yeah, that is somethin we are all very curious abou and we'll be watching closely. but bottom line on this, david how do you see this ending what kind of impact do you think it has on fox news, both legally and among its viewers? >> a, if it goes to trial, i think it could potentially be landmark case up there with ne york times v. sullivan for different reasons. but this is one of the largest news platforms in the entire country that has been allege that they acted with malice to

provide disinformation and ultimately provide punitiv cost to dominion voting. that is significant, and wha we have learned from it as a culture is that fox news is platform for misinformation. i think it is easy to look a the raw simplicity of some o these private text message where they are saying one thin in private and then anothe thing to their viewers it is easy to suggest that the are showing to stain for their viewers. but i think we have to go righ for the gut here, alex, an acknowledge that fox news, i my opinion, directly contributed to the events of january 6th. they are spread of disinformation ultimatel filming some of the violence that we saw, that culturally i a greater reckoning than wha we might ever see within the four corners of the court. >> gotta tell you, those sentiments you expressed i think there are many, many many, people who share the with you, david. let me move and switch gears here with florida governor ron desantis who, as you know, stopped by nevada after hi first trip to iowa thi weekend. there is one word that we have

been hearing a lot from th governor, woke take a listen of the governo last night, in vegas >> the state of florida is not going to be governed by what some woke corporation based in burbank, california wants. we are going to sign legislation during the upcomin legislative session to rein in these woke things. in florida, we have a saying that we will fight the woke in the legislative calls, we will fight the woke in th corporations we will fight the woke in th schools. we will never, ever, surrender to the woke mob because ou state is where woke goes t die. >> i don't know what mob he is talking about, is at the seventh wharves, i can't reall figure that out. but anyway, don, you hear hi talk about woke seven times by the way, quick order there what does that mean to you what is he signaling >> from a political strategist perspective, it just seems lik really lazy messaging. it seems like some 28 to

35-year-old is on your staff got together and said, okay, let's attack the woke. and he thinks this where wok goes to die as some kind o powerful punchline it is not quite on the scale o bridge to tomorrow or somethin of days passed but it is really dangerous because it is coated word fo we will fight transgende rights we will fight against people being able to tell the story o the history of their people. we will fight against folks wh are looking for just to prefer to the american experience i the direction of the quality ron desantis is the new orvill -- he is the new leicester maddox in the suit with the harvard degree, and that i extraordinarily dangerou because we have seen over th last 100 years of th democratic experience that these type of views come at th expense of real peoples safety and real peoples opportunity t thrive in this country >> i'm curious, susan we kno desantis is flirting with 2024 presidential run. how do you think a woke message, if he puts that out, there is

main campaign category, if you will how does that play nationally? >> i don't think it is going t play as well as he thinks it does first of all, he can't defin it the washington post did a whol story about what does woke mean? and when they reached out to desantis, they chose not t respond. now desantis's office has history of not responding to the media. and in a national campaign, he is not going to get away wit that so, plus, if he has any hope o trying to get anyone under the age of 40 to buy into this ide that it's good to be racist, it's good to be anti-trans it's not going to work the other thing is, nationally it is going to be the issue of abortion >> very good point there let me ask you about the new poll, maybe the one that you are referencing, they're susan it shows that 56% of americans consider woke to be a positive term, meaning that you are informed, educated on and awar of social injustices

it is very modern. when it breaks down by party even more than a third o republicans agree, david, so how far can desantis's ant woke campaign take him do you think it is a losin strategy >> no, i think it is a ver powerful one for one reason. at the root of trumpism is thi narrative that people ar coming for your culture. and that this is a message t white rural america. people are coming for your culture. that is the basic instinct o trumpism, it is what trump xenophobic and racist policies and narratives have all said so this anti-woke thing, t don's point, is exactly that i think the democratic party and i think those immediat with conviction on this cannot wait to long they need to call it what it i right now. which the anti woke agenda i racist and homophobi >> and they need to start t tie people who are preaching anti wokeism and make them fee the shame and punishment o

every time you say that, wha you are saying is you want t deny equity to communities o color, too black and brown people, to lgbtq americans, to migrants you are trying to deny equit to fellow americans. it is racist and homophobic at its core, do not wait unti november 24th to realize the power of this cultural movemen that ron desantis is trying to lead >> yeah, that is a ver powerful statement we are going to end it on that i certainly saw don agreeing and susan, i think you want to chime in but i suspect you agree 100 percent. you guys, i love you all so thank you so much have a great sunday afternoon. sudden collapse, the federal government scrambles to contai the fallout after a big bank failure. some new reaction from congresswoman katie porter next relieving nasal congestion and sinus pressure by reducing swelling in the sinuses. try vicks sinex. [♪♪] if you have diabetes, it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®.

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