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you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex wit reports. developing for you this hour some brand-new comments from former vice president, mik pence, as he speaks out agains donald trump over his role i the january 6th attack speaking at an annual -- in washington, pence said, president trump was wrong, i

had no right to overturn the election and his reckless word endangered my family and everyone at the capitol that day. i know history will hold donal trump accountable. those strong comments come after a week that saw some republicans try to re-frame th attack is a largely peaceful protest. earlier today, some go lawmakers called out their own party over those efforts >> a lot of folks on both side keep bringing up january 6th and it is keeping us fro moving our country forward >> we should be talking abou the southern border, as they were discussing, we should b talking about china and th challenge of possesses talking about inflation and budget that drives up deficits wherever those are winning arguments fo republicans, not relitigatin january 6th. >> so, new reaction today as donald trump faces multipl criminal investigations, including over january 6th earlier today, democrati congressman, adam schiff, gave his thoughts on wher accountability for the forme president is likely to com

from >> i think georgia could b very meaningful. to me, in that case, that line of effort to overturn th election, we have donald trump on the phone and the secretary of state, demanding 1100 thousand votes that don't exist, making fraud claims that his own attorney general had tol him were bs, you don't have to wonder what did the presiden know and when did he know it? he's on the phone, you can hea his voice, that's a very powerful and damning evidence. >> and a new warning for sprin breakers this weekend, texas i now joining the white house by issuing its own advisory about traveling to mexico. it comes a week after four americans were kidnapped after crossing the southern border t be then found dead earlier today, democrati senator, bob menendez gave nbc news has thoughts on the dangers. >> the reality is, along the border communities, the cartel that run the border communities, it is not the government o

mexico mexico has a responsibility. first and foremost, to its own citizens, to establish safet and security within its ow territory. and to those who visit its country as well. >> but first, let's get some new reaction from lawmakers, fox host, tucker carlson's depiction of january 6th a being a largely peaceful joining me now, nbc's juli tsirkin is on capitol hill onc again for us so, julie, what are you hearing? >> yeah, there is no questio there, fatigue, not only fro democrats, but republicans whe it comes to january 6th. you know, or hearing from both sides of the aisle, not just o the release of these tapes t carlson, but also on thi newly-created investigativ committee in the house, led by -- a republican of georgia wh himself was accused of giving chore potentially to rioters the days before the attack o the capitol. what you're gonna hear in thes two soundbites that will pla for you, one of them is from stacey plaskett, has a lot o experience in this she actually was one of th

house managers who presented the case on why the former president deserved to be impeached for inciting the rio on that day. she is very familiar with al of this. she also sits on the weaponization committee with jim jordan take a listen to what she ha to say about what kevin kramer a senate republican, had to sa after that >> that's what the chaos tha is happening, speaker mccarthy has put us then, by giving u the gavel to the madness >> we all wondered in that crazy week of his election wha he was offering? >> well, we saw with tucke carlson and others, this i exactly what he gave up. we're gonna see more >> what i do regret, probabl as much as anything about th release of the 41,000 hours is that it was released to on person in primetime who is, yo know, rather sensational in hi approach rather than just releasing i to everybody i think transparency absolutel is the best way to go. thank heaven mccarthy's righ

to do it >> interesting when you se plaskett and kramer sort o saying the same thing here i think it's notable because a we played in the beginning kramer said, look, would rathe talk about inflation, crime, energy, the border, they don't want to keep talking about january 6th. and yet, is because of those concessions that mccarthy made to get that speakers gavel tha we are talking about this. republicans are forced t continue discussing it and as plaskett teased, this i not the last we're gonna see i some of these concessions that he made. in terms of transparency, none of the other news networks ours included, has obtaine this footage, so, mccarthy continues to say that that wil happen in the future someday >> yeah, we'll see, we shouldn't hold our breath fo that anyway, thank you so much, julie tsirkin. also new today, the white hous pushing back on report president biden will approve a new drilling project in alaska in the country's largest wal of undeveloped land. the project could create backlash because they would be a major reversal of a campaign promise.

it also upset environmentalists, let's go to nbc's gary, who is with the president, in wilmington, delaware gary, what are we hearing from officials? how much do you think this i being -- about right now within the administration >> hey, there, alex, this woul be a really significan development, it would go, to put plainly, in direct contradiction, as you mentioned, to a biden campaign promise, there would be no new drilling on federal lands if he i elected. well, he was elected, and no it appears if this does go through there will be not only drilling on federal land, ther will be the largest oi operation in u.s. history. it would be the equivalent o 60 coal burning power plants that is how much carbon woul be released into the atmosphere, according to experts here. i'll gore, the former vice president, environmentalist, called this recklessly irresponsible. there is labor groups, the alaska congressional delegatio thinks this is a great idea, does want this plan to proceed they think it's going to bring a number of new jobs and a

whole lot of new revenue t relay remote part alaska tha hasn't seen many jobs or revenue in recent years. so, the interior secretary a the biden administration i going to make an announcemen on this in the coming week we don't know for sure where biden himself stands on this a this point, here's how the white house framed this on friday >> i think i confirmed, i don' know, earlier this week, he ha discussions with the delegations in alaska. i did confirm that he has ha those conversations. look, as i said, also, on that day, this process is led by th apartment of interior. they're the ones making th decisions. >> and as we await tha decision, alex, i've been in contact with environmental groups all morning who tell me they're not only upset tha biden's going against his word going against his entire climate agenda as a whole. alex >> okay, thank you so much for that report. in the meantime, everyone, mik

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his lawyers on florida thi weekend after being invited to testify before a new york gran jury in the hush money investigation. manhattan da, alvin bragg, spoke with msnbc about where things stand in the case >> we have an active investigation, many observed last year the trial of the trump organization and saw what i would say, at the sam team that's working with the same type of professionalism and rigor, the same type o team on our active investigation, from saying anything more than that, i don't to prejudice a investigation. >> joining me now is new yor congressman, jamal bowman, a member of the house educatio and workforce committee.

good to welcome you back to th show, sir, thank you for joining me i do want to ask you about the willow project we've heard about that befor the break, i want to start first with the criminal prob into donald trump. how do you see this playing out? and what are the chances tha trump gets criminally indicted in new york and what do yo think would be the impact of that >> well, i hope the chances ar very good. it is about time for trump t be held accountable for one of the many alleged crimes that h has committed. we know he's under investigation, he's bein looked at, excuse me i georgia. he's also being looked at federal level. one for interfering -- 2020, excuse me, the other looking to overturn th election you know, he's being looked at it from a levels of government and different jurisdictions. and i hope that if indictmen will come, which is the firs

time a former president is indicted in u.s. history, he needs to be held accountable he's been a con man -- broke many laws. it is a reckoning. donald trump is at the cente of that reckoning. when he was president, with th first attack on the u.s. capitol by american citizens and u.s. history that was because of him pushin a big lie. and now, it is time for me t finally be held accountable fo one of the alleged crimes that he's committed >> listen, pretty stunning isn't a? his former vice president, mik pence, chiming in and agreeing with you that he will be hel accountable once history assesses the big picture effec of this insurrection let me ask you about some of your republican colleagues who've opened the investigatio into the alleged mistreatmen of january 6th riot defenders, chair james comer, als marjorie taylor greene, they plan to visit them in jail take a listen to what your democratic colleague, jasmin crockett, told me about this yesterday. here it is

>> we as black people have bee talking about the prison syste in america for decades and no one seemed to think tha it was so important and so marjorie taylor greene and insurrectionist friends go incarcerated, now we want to look at what these condition look like. >> i'm curious your thoughts o not only what she said but how do you think this visit by republicans will be interpreted? >> it is a disgrace, and i should be interpreted as showing empathy toward insurrectionists, and showin empathy towards people who try to overturn an election an take our government by force you know, there is evidence to suggest that there were many sitting members of congress wh may have helped some of th insurrectionists on januar 6th. this is despicable, this is disgrace, and i hope the

american voter sees it that way. to the point those previousl made, yes, we absolutely nee criminal justice reform from policing to mass incarceration however, when you incite insurrection and are part of insurrection of the united states government, you have to be held accountable. it is despicable that thes republican lawmakers are looking to show some form of empathy or compassion toward individuals who tried to waive a coup on the u.s. government. >> okay, now, let's move, sir, to the willow project. you heard the bide administration say no fina decision has been made i response to the efforts to the drilling project in alaska, it was close to being approve last we heard, i'm curious where you stand on things. i know it's something you have pretty outspoken feelings on let me just tell our viewers s they know, this would be the largest area of new oi development in the unite

states who translate to a sense o putting essentially 2 millio cars with their emissions on the roads every single year. that is a simple as that can put it, give me your perspective. >> president biden must stop the willow project period the willow project cannot move forward. the earth's warming at a rapid rate, as a result of that, w see more severe and consistent storms, we are seeing a famine in parts of the world an agriculturally impacted by this storms kill people and destroy property famine leads to conflict and war. we need to be moving in th entirely other direction and mobilizing clean, green, sustainable, renewable energy. he pumps, wind farms, sola

farms, geothermal, we have the technology, we need to mobiliz it here in the world and, the united states, for th first time in history, jus achieved fusion ignition, whic is one step closer t sustainable energy this is our moment to invest i that so that we can and ou dependency of fossil fuels once and for all we have to save the planet, we only have one. young people who put biden int office, this is their number one issue, if they stay home i 2024, we lose the election i 2024 >> you heard a very broa perspective on your feelings there. i thank you for doing that let me turn now to the president's newly unveiled budget proposal. as you know, it includes highe taxes on those earning mor than $400,000 a year, but nine people earning less. it also creates a new minimu tax for billionaires, and it raises the corporate tax rate. republicans have been slamming this budget, senator jon

kennedy today saying the onl way to improve it is, quote, with a shredder. obviously republicans ar saying this is a dead on arrival. but should it be is the room to negotiate >> i hope it is. i hope there is room t negotiate. unfortunately, republicans are very obtuse and they'r thinking regarding our budget. they think the only answer i to cut medicare, cut socia security, cut so-calle entitlements they don't want to and the trump tax cuts or administer progressive tax on the wealthy and large corporations this has to be done in order for us to have equitable distribution throughout th american economy the biden budget proposal is a very very good it's almost excellent, it's no excellent because it calls for increased military spending, which we do not need but it calls for a rollback on

subsidies to fossil fuel companies. that's why the willow projec is so alarming to me the president seems to take on step on climate and then two steps back in almost approving this willow project. it's a good budget, finall investing in interval personal childcare, extending the child tax credit, universal pre-k, free college, it goes where it needs to go in terms o domestic spending an progressive policies, but ther should be room for negotiation to grow the economy from the bottom up in the middle out. you >> shared a lot of passion of yours on something, i'm gonna ask you one more question, sir, i know this is importan to you i want to turn to the growin culture wars over schools. if you are a former educator you set your sights on florida governor, ron desantis you have sent him a package of books and some sage in respons to his lawyers removing race and diversity from schoo

libraries. we're gonna take a listen to some of your message here it is >> the banning of books, the banning of ap african american history, the fear of learnin about another's perspective or opinion, culture, these are th things that are wrong with america. and that is why it's not jus on me, but it's on everyone to push back against this >> i'm curious, have you heard anything back from his office? and as ron desantis position himself for a presidential run how concerned are you about hi approach to schools an education? >> we have not heard back from his office, i am very concerne about his rhetoric aroun education as part of a presidential run i don't want to define this as the culture wars, this is abou our democracy and well-being o

our democracy. education is a pillar of any healthy society. and in our education system, w have to learn about each other because we are the most divers nation in the world. when we learn about each other there is more empathy toward one another. and then we can begin to dea with america's original sin of racism and equality, and discrimination we still have the social syste in place, education can be a equalizer and an answer to that i am pushing not just governor desantis, but governor - and many others across the country to have open, honest real conversations about education. this banning of books, especially targeting african american history, it seems racist, it seems xenophobic, and it seems to hold on to the maga perspective of nativism nationalism, white supremacy and that is now who we are as

nation we are better than that, and education is essential for u to become our best selves. >> yeah, education is power. information is power communication is power i think, you representativ jamal bowman for bringing al three entities to the show today. thank you so much. the situation in california' gonna get worse, the reason wh is all that green you're about to see there on the map. we'll bring you some new information next suffering from sinus congestion, especially at night? try vicks sinex for instant relief that lasts up to 12 hours.

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i'm start with you mike pence, your former boss speaking there what did you make of his remarks? they deliver the white tie vent, the dinner there in washington he is also battling th subpoena for him to testif before the special counsel but the big question is, do yo wonder what took him so long why is he doing it now what do you think his angela's >> well, look, i think he' finally realized that the only pathway to the presidency is for him to take on donald trum directly i think, personally, i think he's well positioned to do that he knows all the skeletons, he lived it firsthand, he als knows what that man is capable of you know, trump has also sai he would run, even if he was indicted you have a choice, you have better choice, your choice between someone who is sitting in a jail cell, running fo president of the united states someone sitting in florida who is mini me to donald trump represents everything bad abou

donald trump, or pence who might return to normal conservatism i don't know, you know, th fact that he continues t stonewall and not cooperat with a legal process als raises a question of whether he's actually really serious and capable of taking this thing on >> you know, as we talk abou donald trump and how h ferments his followers, how he still leads all the polls righ now, pretty much most of them, unless you throw desantis in the mix. does mike pence really have chance to attract any of those voters because trump has if this thre to since january 6th actually, it started on januar 5th. so, will any of those voters say, you know what mike pence is right, we ar gonna go into his camp and leave trump? >> i don't really see that happening. the reason i say that is, if you look at social media and the horrific messages that are out there after tucker carlson released and distorted the january 6th footage, and how embedded all these people ar into those narratives, which

by the way, mike pence actuall addressed off turn a speech, which i thought was important, i give him credit for that, he called that out and said, this was not a tourist day, this is a disgrace to anything but that, call it that, right? it was a horrible day for country. i think that is important fo him to say it. but i don't say any of these coming back when they're s loyal to these false narrative that they've been pushed on, especially, you know, from fox news >> i would ask josh, m director, to put up a soundbit right now, it's from tim hayden best to get it for th 16 committee, talking about th tucker carlson cherry pick i you well, the switch, ho dangerous it is. let's play that now. >> it is a totally false narrative, alex, to pick and choose some bits of video wher there are people takin pictures inside the capitol, there are people walking through, not assaulting police officers police officers did their job, they did not facilitate entr or riot. they tried their best to resis violence and then to de-escalate once people were

inside, because they wer outnumbered. >> in your role, forme homeland security official counterterrorism official, olivia, how dangerous is wha tucker carlson is doing? >> it is exponentially dangerous. i've been monitoring what' being said on social media, it is incredibly undermining of our government institutions. it's incredibly undermining of law enforcement. and the worst part is, it is fueling the flames to encourag this type of violence in the future again there has been n accountability thus far. i hope there is accountability for some of these people tha are leading our country down the stark path this is a very dangerous time, what they're doing, they'r feeling this type of patriotis that i say in quotes these are the people tha showed up on january 6th, wh said they were there because i was their patriotic duty there's people that served time, right? they're being held accountable there is - who got caught up in this whol

thing. he has been held accountable all of these other individuals who are equally involved i what happened here, they'r sort of in the ruse of all o this, they're still out there. and to think that some of thes people could come back int power, should an administratio like that return, should fox news continue to be a state ru television with republicans in the white house, if that's what's happening, that's incredibly dangerous we are heading down a really dark path for our democracy. >> let me tell you, american voters can hold donald trump accountable by not putting him back into the white house. that is something they can d himself. let me move to you, charles, with house republicans, jame comer, marjorie taylor greene, working to organize a trip for members of congress to visit january six defendants in jail what is their endgame? do you think this undermines legal proceedings against thos charged? >> well, i do think there an game is to score political points i think, quite frankly, they understand that their base i going to appreciate the sort o

optic, even if in the long run it's not going to make a difference as a former prosecutor, i ca tell you that something of thi nature is not something fo prosecutions that ar outstanding moving forward what it does is gives them the presumption the justice system has not worked properly fo these people o insurrectionists, for th people who sought to overthrow the united states government so, from the public perception not only when you're talking about this, but you're addin on to it, for example, the conversation we are just havin about tucker carlson, cherry picking the narrative around january 6th. it makes the job of prosecutor who's looking t continue prosecuting and holding those accountable, those insurrectionists have no yet had trouble, much more difficult, much more challenging, because i ultimately biases the court of public opinion, in a way tha is not fair. >> speaking of charles, charles, a new york times article today is arguing that the lega jeopardy fox news face

regarding the dominion defamation lawsuit is far from clear. lawyers involved in this cas are reportedly saying th explosive private messages b fox figures might never be introduced as evidence when th case goes to trial next month. my question to you, why? why wouldn't those messages no in the public domain, by the way, why would they not be admissible do you think fox wil ultimately be held liable? >> well, alex, to answer you questions in reverse i think fox is ultimately goin to figured a way to settle thi case out of court. i do think this is a stage and discovery where people are trying to assess what is the level of exposure that all the parties have, how deep doe this rabbit hole go? in reverse, one of the thing that allows them to settle it little bit less than what it i they might face in terms o being in front of a jury getting a judgment on trial, it's the notion that everythin that comes into discovery does not come in during evidence, there are various cases for. that could be relevance, thi is prejudicial, could be a

number of different argument that are made as to why is something that is discovered during the discovery process ultimately is not subject to admission during trial what we're going to see is we're going to see a summary judgment motion. a motion attempting to dismiss the case from the defense that the conclusion of discovery, and then we're going to see decision made by the judge a to whether dominion can move forward after that summary judgment is filed. after that decision is made, i the judge does allow the cas to move four to trial, what suspect is at that point, fo will then come to th negotiations table looking t sell i don't know whether we'll see a verdict holding it accountable, but i do think fo is not going to get out of thi case without paying a pretty penny. >> yeah, with an nda attache to a, no doubt let me ask you quickly, charles, -- inviting donald trump to testify -- hush money payment during th presidential campaign in 2016, why not just subpoena him? i mean, you know, why not just subpoena him >> straightforward answer, alex,

because you have the fifth amendment right against self incrimination. >> but can't you say that? we know he's come before, yo know, before juries before grandeur, isn't just that, i take the fifth sort of, he said that hundreds of times >> you can, you cannot force a witness to testify where the may be the subject certainly, he has a fift amendment right. but ultimately, trying t enforce the subpoena whe somebody may be a subject to a grand jury proceeding, ultimately, or dragging out process that you're not goin to win that defendants right to not testify in front of that jur is going to trump everything >> very cool i learn something new ever day. i thank you both, both of yo for that i learned from both of you, my friends. coming up ahead, a new reactio to the omg moments on capito hill about mtg marjorie taylor greene takin the gavel last week, presiding over the u.s. house of representatives. that moment caught instant fir online, from a lot of voic you're gonna hear more about i next

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where another atmospheric rive is expected to slam the state, severe flooding brought by heavy rains has forced thousands to evacuate. let's go back to nbc, scot cohn, joining us from pajaro california, the central part o the state. what is going on there what is it like? last hour you were about, don't, notion deep in water. how about now? >> i still am.

the water is still coming in alex, you know this area, yo know highway one, california highway one, the pacific coast highway, a main route that is couple miles to my west, tha is now shut down in this are because of flooding. that is unusual. so, there is a whole lot o water in california that the don't have any place for and pajaro is another exampl of this. this is a small town, a lot of agricultural workers that work here just outside of watsonville. they had a levee that brok overnight, friday into saturday, there is now 120 foot gap in that levy. as the water continues to come down from the higher elevations, it is going through that gap into this town, which has been evacuated, they're likely to b out of here for some time to come, as you said, we have another atmospheric rive coming in, likely monday int tuesday, another possible sout burlington's of rain here. of course, it's not limited to

this part of the state a vast swath of california some 11 million people under flood watches. and everyone is dealing with this listen to this residential >> last night it was reall scary. i was up all night because i was so loud. you know, like a train comin through. the sound of the river is just so loud that it is frightening you can hear boulders rollin down the river they go boom, boom, boom >> when the river, paychec rested, i don't know what time that was yesterday afternoon, i would say, probably about 2:30, it was about one foot below m foot so, it was a pie you can see on the tree here and then on down, the damage i has done, here, there, everywhere all the way across, nothing bu river. it was a mass. >> awe of fortunately, officials say, and thi particular round of weather,

we've had no injuries or deaths, again, alex, another big storm is on its way in >> they sure don't need it anyway, thank you very much, scott, for the update ther from pajaro. we have new and strong reactio today, republicans on the hill moved forward with their investigation into the january six committee, including a pla by gop numbers green and comer to visit those detaine convicted of those crimes. here is what the chair of th 16 committee told and some p just this weekend. >> we stand by our work as a committee, we feel very prou of it. i think based on the reactio that we have gotten overall, people saw with their own eyes what happened. so, it's very difficult fo someone to say, well, what you saw with your own eyes, is i fact really happening, you hav to listen to me so i can tel you what you saw with your own eyes

i just see the american people is being better than that. >> yeah, it doesn't make any sense, frankly joining me now is tim miller writer at large of the forme communications director for -- an msnbc political analyst and a good friend to us. welcome, tim give me a sense of what th purpose of that trip to a d.c. jail, specifically is? and on the whole, the go efforts to investigate the 1 committee, what kind of effect is that gonna have >> hey, alex this is a bottom up issue. that is the purpose of it. this is driven by a segment of the republican base. i -- read republican voters, it's a significant enough gross 50% of the party who want to restart the story of january 6th. some of them are supportive of what happened on january 6th many of them do not believe jo biden as the legitimat president, they believe ther is a two tiered system o justice and that the peopl that were there on january 6th

are being mistreated this is not true, it's the opposite, if anything. but that belief from these bas voters is trickling up to th representatives. they want representatives to act, the ones who are the most brazen in shambles about, it like marjorie taylor greene, are willing to do so you know, there is no better photo op for that to signa that i'm on the side of you, the 16 rioters, than to go and have a prison visit, i guess to go see them that's what's driving a lot of this, you know, mccarthy i having to manage, you know that element of the party. >> yeah, we have put mor photos up and videos up of marjorie taylor greene right now. this week, we had kevi mccarthy, who handed her the speaker's gavel. let's remind viewers that sh is the one who called for national divorce splitting red states from blue states she is now presided over the house as the speaker, right? what did you make of this.

>> it's another signal for power, she's been very deft, she's been very deft about using and demonstrating he power. she is not the only craz republican in the house, there is a number of folks that have been less skilled at this, you don't see louis gohmert, mat gates, really throwing their weight around to the success that marjorie taylor greene has. i think she knows she ha control of kevin, if kevin wants to keep a speaker ship he has to keep the maga wing o the party happy. she cut a deal with him in order to, you know, get powe within the caucus. she really is the person pulling the strings in a lot o areas. not every area, but in, a lo of areas, that's why mccarthy' doing things that are self sabotaging really. like giving this video t tucker carlson, like not going to kyiv, but having delegation to go visit january six rioters. this is not good politics in swing states this is not good politics fo many members of its conference that he has to do in order t keep the merger taylor greene'

of the world happy letting her preside over i just an optical way to demonstrate that power >> let me take you back to las weekend when i know yo attended cpac. less this year of a form for conservative ideas, rather showcase not for donald trum and his loyal fan base all your takeaways from th experience from the conference >> yeah, look, it is definitel smaller than it had been in th past it's the - carnival for all corners of th republican party, sure, get th crazies, you'll see that established republicans. last time is there actually, i was with jeb when he was doing an interview for the 201 campaign now, you know, the audience has, you know, they've lost about other half of the party. it was really the core mag base, we see the - great. they're the type of person tha was there. the audience was smaller but they were as fervent a ever you know it is kind of this burning hot star, fading hot star, the crazy is getting hotter, but the star is shrinking. so, i think that is what w

learned from cpac. >> let me ask you about th rather interesting exchang will call it that you had with former arizona candidate for governor, kari lake. you challenged her and her false election claims and th rumors that she might run fo senate some suggest she's in th sphere folks being considere for a candidacy of donald trump. do you think she has a futur in gop politics? >> boy i mean, she only lost by percent, so, thank goodness fo that i think if she was the governo of arizona right now, she woul be on the short list for vp, maybe even a presidentia contender. she could have a future. i, know i think that's reality i think she's very skilled i appealing to the maga base you know, there are not that many people in the republica party that have been able to d the trump stick well she does it, well that turns off, this is the big part of this fight we're having they are showing on screen, tha turns off the moderate voters, buttered for - that's why she lost. but in primary politics, she i really skilled we're going up in the senate

race, potentially a three-wa race with sinema running as an independent, gallego running a a democrat, if she can win a republican primary and sneak through in a three-way race, 40, 42%, i don't think that's craz to think she could potentially have a future, despite the fac her claims about the electio obviously totally fraudulent ridiculous >> wow okay, tim miller, thank yo very much for all of that. we'll see you again soon, my friend and the winner is, keeping quiet on politics. why academy awards organizer want celebritiesto - this year. dreamy. you're kelly clarkson? yes. and you're in our bed? yes. what about five star dining sets? sorry i didn't have a reservation. you're kelly clarkson. i love your work. thank you. find just what you need at wayfair! even a personal sauna. oh! can we do the wayfair song? yes you can. wayfair! ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪ wow. >> just a few hours to g it'd be better if you did it.

before the 94th academy awards show gets underway in lo angeles. many changes are in place, first off, what you're seein there, no red carpet it is champagne color this year why? well, it will not clash with dresses. also another change, produce are hoping to avoid a moment like this one at last year's show no slapping, everyone, n hitting. how do you prevent that?

organizers say they have a crisis team in place, ready to handle any unexpected problems quickly, one other very bi change, no politics talk, not bit, none. will the stars comply? joining me now to answer, it deadline senior editor, domini paton, who co-wrote that article. here is a question, my friend? is this a ratings thing? her viewers gotten tired o political speeches and using this entertainment big platfor to share personal opinions s they have to know? >> well, listen, i'll put it this, way alex, the organizers and producers of the academy awards this year are hopin that they can time travel back to 1998 when it was blockbuste titanic won best picture to slightly paraphrase the 18t century -- that is the case of a triump of hope over experience. politics have been a great alienating force for the oscar for a number of years. some say that's why some of th red states have been turning i off and why the numbers ar going down they are hoping that everyon will just go for escapism an an embrace the cinema. through even hoping they can

just hope the tone when people get up on stage, they will not go and start - that's why you don't see president biden, you won't see the president of ukraine, this is going to be, as someone sai to ted a nine article on deadline, we are not intereste in distractions, we're interested in tom cruise >> oh my gosh, only would give me an 18th century quote let me ask you this though, ho can the academy stop winner wh wants to use time to express one? so, i mean, last year, just couple of seconds, you had wil smith walk up and slug the sho host what can they do to stop it? >> well, there's a couple of things they're setting the tone, ther is jimmy kimmel, from what w hear, gonna have almost no political references in this monologue. maybe one or two thing throughout the show. i think more than anything there's always the playoff music. i think it's just giving the impression that we want to celebrate movies we want this to be a nationa and international event again. let's lean in there, let's sta away from blue state, red state, the color here, to paraphras

rupert murdoch, not red or blue, it is gold >> do you think any of the nominees are a little bi ticked off they're being tol what they can and cannot say >> of course i do. as one of the organizers sai to us for peace, look, if yo are telling a list and wha they can't do, you're kind o guaranteeing they're going t do it. but they're just hoping people realize this is where th oscars, they need to go. the numbers have been tankin in recent years. the movies that are winning bi awards are not the movie people are going to. this year, forcing the avata sequel, top gun maverick wakanda forever, they're among the nominees they're hoping that will pul in the audience and th eyeballs >> give me a quick pick fo best picture who do you think >> having said all that, i think the best picture winners gonna be the indie film, michelle yeoh starring everything everywhere all at once,. but as a dark horse, you might see, again, talking politics the latest version of all quie on the western front it's all up to what's in the envelope >> can i throw and top gun maverick

i love that movie. you don't know how many time i've seen it on the plane, a crossing the country. there is my two cents for what that is worth, my friend good to see you. yeah, the, that is why, look a that video, it's awesome anyway, that's gonna do it for me on this edition of alex wit reports, we'll see you from lo angeles next saturday at noo eastern. my friend continues ou coverage next on behind the series... let me tell you about the greatest roster ever assembled. the monster, the outlaw... and you can't forget about the boss. sometimes- you just want to eat your heroes. the subway series. the greatest menu of all time. (psst psst) ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary spraying flonase daily gives you long-lasting, non-drowsy relief. (psst psst)

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