additional stop on progress with solar panels. >> margaret talev, thank you so much for your reporting this morning. certainly will be a significant day today, as we follow the president on the west coast. yesterday was about alliances and china and reaction to what happened with silicon valley bank we expect to hear more from him today about that, as well as, of course, guns, as he visits monterey park, the site of another mass shooting. so many we've had already this year he touts, again, efforts to curb gun violence in this nation. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning "morning joe" starts right now but you have to remember, ron was a disciple of paul ryan. who is a rhino loser who currently is destroying fox and would constantly vote against entitlements he'd just vote against it.

remember the wheelchair over the cliff? democrats used it. the wheelchair over the cliff commercial, very effective that was about him ryan, paul ryan is a bit reason mitt romney -- i'm not a big fan of mitt romney -- lost his election to be honest with you, ron reminds me a lot of mitt romney. so i don't think you're going to be doing so well here, but we're going to find out. but those are the facts. >> oh, if ron only reminded us of mitt romney, i think a lot of people would be less worried there's donald trump doing what democrats love to see donald trump doing. shredding the republican party attacking the republican party tearing to pieces the republican party. it's not enough that he led to their te defeats in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 now, he's determined to do it in 2024 going after republicans and

creating a civil war that was just part of donald trump's rant about ron desantis last night in iowa the former president had a lot to say yesterday about the florida governor he is obsessed with him. obsessed with ron desantis we'll havemore of his comments straight ahead a full-on republican civil war politically between, well, donald trump and everybody else. meanwhile, desantis is backing a far-right stance on the war in ukraine it's a complete change from where he was even a year ago saying that stopping a russian invasion of a sovereign country in europe is not vital to america's interests. it's not what he was saying a short time ago also, we'll have legal analysis on michael cohen's testimony in front of the grand jury investigating trump's hush money payments to stormy daniels and what it means. good morning welcome to "morning joe. it is tuesday, march 14th. with us, we have the host of

"way too early ," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. robinson special correspondent of bbc news, katty kay. we'll make sure katty doesn't tweet anything today that stops her from being able to announce premier league games this weekend. wow. that escalated quickly, katty. we're not going to ask you about it i do want to ask jonathan lemire, though, jonathan, you got a couple boys, right >> i do, 11 and 8. >> they play baseball. >> they do both good ballplayers, little league players. >> okay. i'm going to give them a little tip here this is uncle joe's baseball clinic, right here on "morning joe. now, for people who watch this program, they know that, through the years, we've looked at first pitches, whether it was from,

well, whoever it was from. i'm not going to mention names you know, their throwing motions lacked something we heard ron desantis had a -- you know, he played baseball at yale he had a softball interview with brian kilmeade at fox. here's a clip of them throwing the ball back and forth. they're talking, right see that, jonathan >> yeah. >> i want you to notice, look at this throwing motion it's a strange thing from ron desantis here let's see if he can see it one more time here it's -- >> eh. >> wee do we have that again? look at this do we have it? wee. do we have that in slo-mo? i want to iso this, so your boys will learn how not to throw a ball

ready? wee. no, okay come to me we can't keep showing the kids the wrong way to do it again, this guy, jonathan -- let's do a split screen with jonathan he'll know this. jonathan, this guy, like, played baseball in college. you know, you go back, wee, no. >> you have to bring it all the way back. >> you have to bring it back, go through, follow. whether you're golfing, throwing the baseball, it's the flollow through. i know he is in a suit if you're staging an interview, just throw what a good-byer. >> take the jacket off. >> what were you raised in, an ivy league law school? >> yeah. >> i don't understand. again, he played college baseball the wee? no, look, what is that >> yeah, yeah. >> what is that?

help me, jonathan. >> so baseball is a big part of the desantis story, right? he played in the little league world series. >> wee. >> played college baseball at yale >> right. >> the form here is just shaky i mean, yeah, first of all, take the jacket off also, you have to go all the way back you form the t you learn it in little league. over the shoulder. he's, like, short arming it there. also, maybe use two hands on the catch. >> right through like that this is not hard. >> i mean, kilmeade is not exactly whipping it in there either, we have to say but it's a softball interview. literally a softball interview brian kilmeade, as best i know, didn't play division i college baseball ron desantis did apparently, he's gotten rusty. his form is -- >> no excuses. >> -- lacking. tough to see. >> do we have barack obama bowling, by any chance i miss those days. get us that, too the wee, it's been a while all right. anyway, katty kay, i'm sorry

you had to go through all of that and hear all of that. >> i'm just enjoying you and jonathan having fantasies about being pro baseball players again. >> all the way back. >> clearly doesn't change ever, right? >> no. >> you can't take the boy out of the man. >> it's not a fantasy about being a professional baseball player, katty. it's about, like, the fundamentals, as my coach would say. gene, it's the fundamentals. >> it's the fundamentals it's like blocking and tackling a football it's the throwing of a baseball. it's just -- you come through the top. these guys that throw like this, do you get that, gene? nobody -- i don't get it. >> i don't know. it's a weird motion. he doesn't bring the arm back the way he should. he doesn't follow through the way he should. it's a weird sort of -- >> wee. >> -- weight shift that he's doing. >> wee. >> you know -- >> that's the sixth "wee." >> that's not the way you teach -- >> wee

>> -- your sons how to throw a baseball you know, he did play baseball, i guess. >> wee [ laughter ] >> joe gets an oscar for the sound effects. >> this guy, this guy was captain at yale. i mean, come on, man >> mm-hmm. >> we're going to find some more. >> okay. >> we have to find some more i got to believe, i'm just going to say, he's just tired. how do you -- you just don't forget fundamentals, do you, gene. >> you don't >> i'm having a hard time. >> don't forget your fundamentals you know, we think of presidents, because he wants to be president, let's face it, who have done a sport well, right? so you watch george w. bush, you know, throwing that ball over the plate, that first pitch. that was pretty good. >> yeah. >> barack obama played basketball he can play basketball, you know >> he can play basketball, yeah.

>> there have been some good golfers. that throw was not the way you want to teach itm, not how you wantjonathan, we helped your kids we know they wake up at 6:00 a.m. to watch "morning joe" to see what uncle joe is saying in the baseball clinic. we've done it. we'll show more throughout the day, i'm sure. we'll help people with their followthrough next on golfing. it is all about the fo followthrough. right now, katty kay, to you with the news. i'll channel my inner mika 6:08:45. we are getting to the news. >> wee. >> by the way, on the sports and presidential ambitions, wi windsurfing didn't help john ke kerry. ron desantis was criticized

by donald trump, starting on social media in a video where trump said the state of florida was doing great before ron desantis, while praising former republican governor rick scott, even democratic governor charlie crist for their time in office. >> whoa. >> yeah. while on the plane to iowa, "politico" reports the former president went after desantis for ten minutes, saying he helped him win the governor's race in 2018 and expressing some regret he had endorsed him trump continued to call out desantis on stage last night in davenport, iowa. that is one of the cities the florida governor visited last week during his book tour. the former president used nicknames for desantis and rattled off claims about the g governor's voting record while he was a member of congress. >> remember this ron desanctimonious we don't even know if he is

running, but i'll tell you if he's not running, i'll say, he was fine on ethanol don't worry about it he strongly opposed ethanol and fought against it at every turn, and he'll do it again. people that come out early for something, that's where they go. that's what it is. you know, he may do something politically, but he was very, very bad on ethanol. he fought it all the way he also fought against social security he wanted to decimate it and voted against it three times voted against social security. that's a bad one a lot of people don't know that, but i think they've been finding out over the last four weeks one of the reasons that we're zooming in the polls, perhaps, maybe that's one, maybe it's other things, too. it's really based on what we've done, i think. on social security, while we're at it, he wanted the minimum retirement age to be lifted to people that are 70 years old, a substantial increase over what it is right now. that's a big increase. he also voted to severely cut

medicare i will not be cutting medicare, and i will not be cutting social security we're leaving the age where it is >> somebody is clearly getting under the former president's skin, joe. you know how in physic ts they talk action and reaction i suspect desantis won't react because he doesn't want to get into the fight yet. >> jonathan lemire, ron desantis is obviously so in donald trump's brain. first, the hypocrisy is always great. he said, oh, great to listen, so funny, he goes, oh, somebody who has come out for ethanol usually the way they come out at first, that's really where they are and that's where they say, says the man who spent his life being a pro-choice democrat, who is now supposedly pro-life who spent his life supporting gun control, now he is mr. second amendment go down the list with donald

trump. he's changed he even said, if desantis doesn't run, he'll change his views on desantis. again, he is obsessed with ron desantis but i will tell you, you read the coverage from yesterday, and maybe you can add to it, trump went back davenport, iowa, where desantis had 1,000 people. trump, when he came in, shut the town down by 2:00 p.m., and it was 2,400 people, standing room only the center of gravity of the republican party still centers around this guy. the over/under on indictments is at 2.5 not sure whether you want to go under or over. even with two to four indictments facing this guy, he's still the center of the republican party, which tells you all you need to know about the pace base of the republican party. >> a lot of action on draftkings right now on trump indictments

people banging the over on that. you're right, though, the events of the last few weeks, despite the increase in legal peril, has crystallized this is still very much trump's republican party his aides were quick to send around the pictures yesterday, showing he dramatically drew a bigger crowd than desantis did in the same iowa town, davenport. truthfully, let's remember, iowa has never been one of his best states either. an early sign of strength there. the obsession with desantis is real, and it is two-fold some is just donald trump. of course, he is donald trump. he is jealous, resentful desantis is the governor of his tome home state aides say there is some strategy to this. if they can make life as difficult as possible for desantis now, it might dissuade desantis from getting in at all. this is a preview. we're going to beat you up each and every day. you don't want this. wait four years. the counter to that, the risk is that by singling all his attacks

on desantis, i mean, trump is not really saying anything about h haley, pompeo or bolton. he talks about pence in the context of january 6th by focusing all attacks on desantis, he is elevating desantis he is raising his profile as the trump counter. this certainly could backfire. for now, all signs are pointing to desantis jumping in the race once the florida legislative session ends in a couple months and gets the pesky law change that allows him to run for other office while being governor of florida. >> gene, though, it's just absolutely fascinating again, donald trump obsessed with ron desantis, who is not punching back. trump's obsession goes so far as him actually crediting charlie cr crist. talk about a non-person in republican politics. he praises charlie crist for being a really good governor this reminds me of when he said

he might support stacey abrams again, has nothing to do with the party. >> yeah. >> it has nothing to do with the political movement he's behind it has nothing to do with issues again, this should serve as one more stark reminder to a republican party that just keeps losing, donald trump is only interested in himself. he will set fire to the party and to the movement and to any cause they believe in if it gets in his way. >> yeah. is there anybody out there who didn't think that donald trump would be the one to launch the wave of republican-on-republican violence here he goes that's what i don't get about desantis and nikki haley and others who are thinking about getting into the race. they don't want to talk about trump. they don't want to mention his name they don't want to say anything about him. that's fine. but he is going to go after you. you know he is going to do that. yes, he is elevating desantis by

going after him, but he is just going to try to savage him every opportunity he gets. by doing that, trump raises his own profile. he, you know -- it's like greatest hits for the base this time, the target is desantis instead of biden, whatever they love to see him on the attack like that i've got to say, he sounded, yesterday, more like the donald trump we have come to know, and many of us loathe and fear, but we've come to know in past campaigns. this is the first time that he seemed like, you know, trump on the stump. the way we've seen him before, that sort of aimlessness and drifting, rambling, self-pity. there's some of that, as well,

yesterday, but it was -- you know, he is getting in shape for a campaign >> yeah. i mean, it was interesting, actually, from our nbc colleagues, that when he was talking about desantis, trump in iowa, actually, the room kind of went quiet it is going to be -- i think he's going to have to measure those crowds if he's going after desantis some like desantis, too. anyway, as he weighs the 2024 presidential run, ron desantis is calling on the united states to detangle itself from the war in ukraine in an answer to a fox news questionnaire released this week, desantis said, quote, while the u.s. has many vital national interests, becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between ukraine and russia is not one of them he later accused the biden administration of driving russia into a de facto alliance with china and empowering putin's war machine at america's expense back in 2015, when oklabama was president, desantis said this, quote, we in the congress have been urging the president, i've

been, to provide arms to ukraine. they want to fight their good fight. they're not asking us to fight it for them. and the president has steadvasstea steadvastly refused, and i think that's a mistake that was back then desantis is not alone. here is some of what former president donald trump said about the war, including his most recent comments, where he suggested negotiating off a part of ukraine to give it to russia. >> i could have negotiated at worst, i could have made a deal to take over something. you know, there are certain areas that are russian-speaking areas, frankly, but you could have worked a deal >> i was also the only president where russia didn't take over a country during my term i got along with vladimir putin well said, you and i are friends. don't take over any countries. moscow will be hit really hard >> there was a television

screen this is genius putin declares a big portion of the ukraine, of ukraine, putin declares it as independent oh, that's wonderful so putin is now saying it is independent, a large section of ukraine. i said, how smart is that? and he is going to go in and be a peacekeeper. that's the strongest peace force -- we could use that on our southern border. that's the strongest peace force i've ever seen there were more army tanks than i've ever seen they're going to keep peace all right. no, think of it. this is a guy who is very savvy, i know him very, very well. >> joe, this starts with, once again, donald trump expressing kind words for vladimir putin. >> yup. >> i think there's something actually far more dangerous about this this is now desantis, suggesting that this is -- deeming this war a territorial dispute between ukraine and russia, instead of russia invading ukraine. suggesting the biden administration, the u.s. is too

involved in the war and we should pull back that puts desantis where trump is very different from where most republicans are, including mike pence, mike pompeo, who are rumored to be running for president. that means the two leading voices, because right now, this is a two-man race, the two leading voices of the republican party are both saying the u.s. is too involved in that war. what does that do? that gives credence to vladimir putin's theory, that time is on his side that he can wait out this war. he can wait until the next presidential election. if he continues to grind on, keeps the battle going through 2024, there's a pretty good chance that if a republican is elected, that republican, well, will back off and may as well let putin take part of ukraine >> well, you just heard donald trump there. this is genius it's wonderful, talking about the invasion of ukraine. we should do that. we could use that in america, donald trump says. talks about how savvy he is. the russians have now lost, what, 100,000, 200,000 troops?

it's been the worst decision for vladimir putin, not only in his reign but probably it is going to be seen as the guy responsible for the complete collapse of russia in time katty kay, this is dangerous, not just because of the message it sends to vladimir putin, where he says, well, all i need to do is try to interfere in the next american presidential election, help a republican, desantis or trump, get elected, and they'll do my bidding for me they're going to undercut nato and do all the things trump did back when he was president it sends the wrong message, ron desantis of course, the thing that really concerns me just as much, or more, and i'm sure you, as well, with all the diplomats and leaders i've spoke within over the past year, all the generals, admirals, war strategists i've spoken to over the past year,

the biggest concern is that our allies don't stand shoulder to shoulder with us leaders, european leaders telling me, "sure, biden is fine we're doing great with biden america is back. but is america back for two years, three years, four years, and then we get donald trump again? now, they see ron desantis, the second most likely person to be president of the united states, other than perhaps joe biden, he's also talking about a retreat. he's not talking about leading from behind. republicans trashed barack obama from saying that ron desantis is talking about something far worse. he is talking about trashing the international order. he is talking about dismissing a full-scale invasion of a sovereign european nation as a border dispute this is so reckless. i've got to think this morning, there's a lot of stuff that people talk about in american

politics that don't make it across to europe and across the world. this one does because here's another example of the republican party basically saying, "to hell with it we're going to throw our lot in with vladimir putin. >> ever since the 2020 election, there's obviously been concerns in europe that this could be a reprieve it was great to have joe biden, but donald trump could be back again. now, especially with what ron desantis is saying right now on ukraine, there is a realization amongst european allies, that even if donald trump is not the republican candidate, it's likely to be ron desantis. therefore, whoever is nominated on the republican side is going to run as the anti-ukraine war candidate. and you have to give the republican candidate in a divided america a 49% chance of winning. you just have to do that because it is chosen by such a small number of people that then makes europeans think, hold on a second if america is not going to be

here beyond the 2024 election, potentially not going to be here beyond the 2024 election if a republican wins, do we want to be committing all those tanks as quickly as we were going to, or looking at f-16s or our jets as quickly as we were going to? an anxious europe is more anxious if america is not going to be there about its commitments to ukraine ukraine is on america's political timetable, and that's a scary prospect if you are sitting in kyiv. >> it is a scary prospect. how strange for those of us who grew up, followed foreign policy and the politics around the united states, to now see that at the top of the republican party, ronald reagan's republican party, you actually have thesurrender caucus leading the pack in those running for pm. >> president: of the united states

this is nothing like republicans have seen over the past generation, the past 40, 50 years. as jonathan lemire said, i mean, this is just shocking, coming from the republican party and the message it sends across the world. it's frightening we will continue to follow this. let's talk right now, though, about the banking crisis president biden addressed the collapse of silicon valley bank yesterday morning. he tried to reassure the country that the united states banking system is not failing and will not fail this is what he said. >> look, the bottom line is this, americans can rest assured that our banking system is safe. your deposits are safe let me also assure you, we will not stop at this we'll do whatever is needed. no losses will be born by the taxpayers. let me repeat that no losses will be born by the taxpayers. instead, the money will come from the fees that banks pay into the deposit insurance fund.

>> the president also tweeted, quote, i will ask congress and banking regulators to strengthen the rules for banks to make it less likely that this kind of bank failure happens again let bring in cnbc's dom chu. dom, the president tried to reassure investors, bankers, wall street. it didn't work, for the most part, with the stocks for regional banks what is your read this morning going into another day how high is the fear level >> so, joe, i guess the best way to put it is, it could have caused an even bigger panic in the financial system those failures, they appear to be contained for now it's not without being damaged -- damage being done already. i guess, of course, there's the direct impact, which is the failure of both of those banks in california and new york it's also about the wipeout of shareholders in pretty much both, and the likely wipeout of some of the unsecured lenders

and creditors, to signature and silicon valley but there have also been these widespread hits, as you point out, to pretty much every bank in america in yesterday's trade, especially the smaller regional ones even without the same kinds of problems that faced both silicon valley and signature now, bank stocks as a whole, both small and large, saw their stock prices plummet pretty precipitously yesterday. those actions, though, by the federal reserve, by the fdic, by the treasury, have stabilized things from an operational perspective for these banks. the government and central bank are now going to backstop things, right? any future potential losses, not born by taxpayers. the assets, in essence, joe, have been backed up at these banks. they've been almost guaranteed by the u.s. government but this now means that in order for the banking system to truly find its footing, find its sea legs, it come down to whether or not americans feel confident

enough to keep their deposits at a bank, a regional one now, if everything goes as usual, things are going to be fine but the bigger issue now is how long it takes for americans to feel okay about being at local or regional banks rather than doing what many folks have already done by the way, joe, we've already sew seen anecdotal, hard evidence that people moved billions after dollars from the small banks into jpmorgan, wells fargo, bank of america if you don't get over the crisis of confidence, then you're still going to have instability on deposits >> there's no doubt it's still there. it'll stay, it seems, for a while. i think the white house and the rest of washington is going to have a lot more work ahead of them a lot of investors have taken their money out of regional banks and are moving them to the big four, big five now, let me ask quickly before we go to break, there was a searing debate yesterday over whether deregulation in 2018 may

have contributed to what we saw last week. it seems that there were some regulations, some regulatory constraints what were lifted, that helped signature and others become far more aggressive in how they invested their money. what's your take on that >> so, this is a debate. the reason why is because the case being made on either side has merit here there has been a deregulation, and it may, in fact, have played a part in this whole process with regard to what happened at silicon valley bank, in particular, and maybe, to a certain degree, a signature, was this idea that there were repercussions from fed policy about lowering the value of u.s. treasury debt, the prices paid by raising interest rates, that had management issues come to the forefront at silicon valley. because of the types of customers that silicon valley bank had, that needed money,

needed their deposits in a more quick fashion, because many of the start-up companies are early stage. they kind of burn cash, so to speak, all of those things if you did have those regulations in place, they may have helped. let me put it this way, joe, before i let you go to break here, the banks in this country, from a capital perspective, have never been healthier that was the lesson learned during the great financial crisis so whether or not there are other effects from the fed policy that are going to have impacts on other banks, that remains to be seen moody's, the credit rating agency, already placed six banks under possible review for credit downgrades there are ripple effects coming, joe. >> you can tell. cnbc's dom chu, thank you so much katty, what do we have next? >> republicans in a battleground state appear to have learned nothing from 2022 because they're backing an election denier again for senate in 2024. we'll tell you who that is. and an update on senate minority leader mitch mcconnell

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♪ ♪ ♪ get directv with a two year price guarantee. an attorney for donald trump sayings his client will not appear in front of the grand jury investigating the hush money payment to adult film actress stormy daniels during the 2016 presidential campaign the new comments come after the president's legal team met with him over the weekend in florida. trump's former fixer and attorney, michae appeared before the grand jury yesterday, telling reporters beforehand that trump needs to be held accountable.

>> my goal -- this is not revenge, right this is about accountability i don't want to see anyone, including donald trump, indicted, prosecuted, convicted, incarcerated, simply because i fundamentally disagree with them this is all about accountability he needs to be held accountable for his dirty deeds. >> joining us now is former u.s. attorney and an msnbc contributor barbara mcquaid. thank you for joining us this morning. so how seriously are you taking michael cohen's appearance before the grand jury, given that his own background, of course, in which he ended up in jail, might make him something of a less-than-stellar witness >> i think the fact that he has testified before the grand jury says to us a couple of things. one is that the manhattan district attorney's office is very serious indictment they have met with him something like 19 or 20 times. they would not be putting him in front of the grand jury unless they were satisfied they could

prove the case and that they believed him themselves. it'd be unethical to sponsor false testimony. so i imagine that during those 19 or 20 sessions they have spent with him, they've spent a lot of time sanding down the edges, you know, asking him hard questions, cross examining him themselves to see how he holds up, and trying to corroborate his testimony with other witnesses or with documents, so that a jury doesn't have to rely on believing him alone so i think that the fact that they put him in means that they're serious about going forward. i also think that the fact that he is now testified in front of the grand jury, and he'll be back on wednesday, means they're at the end inviting donald trump and this sort of star witness is something you'd do at the end of your investigation. >> barbara, we know from trump's attorneys the former president has declined the invitation. he's not going to appear in front of the grand jury. with that off the board, what moves are left here? few subsequent interviews with

cohen, perhaps, but how do you see this playing out over the next few weeks what else could the trump team do >> i think we're at the end, willie i think that invitation for donald trump to appear would have been the very last thing the grand jury would have done you know, it isn't compelling someone to come in, it is inviting someone to come in. the purpose there is to give him an opportunity to tell his side of the story if he so chooses. sounds like he declined that invitation, which is probably a good strategy and happens in most instances so i think the only thing likely to be left would be a prosecutor's summation of the evidence so it may be that they need to come back next week for the prosecutor to sort of synthesize all they've heard and present possible options for charging before the grand jury. then take that vote. >> barb, how do you evaluate the strength of this case, from what we know now, the strength of the stormy daniels payoff case >> well, it seems that the first

part of this case, the falsification of business records, is probably relatively simple to prove between michael cohen and the folks at "the national inquirer," other officials. kellyanne conway and hope hicks have been in they may have had insights into that seems the predicate, the false documents, is probably a strong charge that is only a misdemeanor, though to make that a felony, you have to show that the purpose of it was to conceal some other crime. so that's the part that's a little bit unknown to the public what is that other crime, and what is the evidence of it there has been speculation that it could be a campaign finance charge that is that this was designed to be a donation that was undeclared to the campaign we have to wait and see about the strength of that secondary part that'd make this a felony >> all right former u.s. attorney barbara mcquaid, thank you so much let me and before you go, would

you and gene like to say anything particularly nasty about ohio state this morning? gene, as gene said after ohio state lost, his favorite new yorker cartoon ever were a dog saying, "it's not enough that we win. cats must lose." i'm curious if that is your zero-sum gain attitude toward ohio state, as well? >> my two favorite teams are michigan and whoever is playing ohio state. >> exactly >> there you go. barb said it. >> all right thanks so much, barb we greatly appreciate it jonathan lemire, we need to clarify something here now, the 2.5 over/under, those are for trump indictments. we're not talking about convictions. let me check and see here. the "morning joe" line which, of course, i remind you, i remind you, we put the over/under in the last french election -- and i'm dead serious -- at 57.5%,

when everybody else said it was too close to call. that's exactly where it ended up okay, there's no line yet on actual convictions but 2.5 for the indictment, i think that's pretty good would you go over or under right now, lemire? >> i'm going to take the over. i think i'm going to go with three indictments. convictions are an entirely different matter, and we set that aside we'll revisit those odds down the road in the through line, by the way, from the french election to the criminal peril facing donald trump, spot on this is what we do here on "morning joe." i'm taking the over. what about you, if the line is 2.5? >> i -- he's above the law, right? donald trump is the one person i've seen it my adult life he's always above the law. i'll take the under. i mean, georgia should be a slam dunk it really should the documents case should be a

slam dunk. really doesn't matter what everybody else did because everybody else actually responded to the crisis. i will tell you, and it is very interesting, in the last few weeks, i've been hearing an awful lot about the weakness of this manhattan case. not getting the indictment but actually getting the conviction. i find it hard to believe that a prosecutor is going to bring an indictment until he or she is sure sure they've got a more th reasonable chance of getting the conviction i'm not sure they move yet in manhattan, though. all the signs suggest they are moving forward with an indictment it is facing some skepticism from legal critics who have been basically saying since 2016, donald trump was, you know, a couple weeks away from going to jail. >> yeah, no. i a i gre agree we've heard legal expert rank the manhattan one-four fourth of

four in terms of the strength of the case the same d.a. a year ago said he was walking away from the case, not bringing charges obviously, he changed his mind you'd think this case, a charge would be only brought up on the legal merits there's a political agencspect,o it's manhattan it is donald trump if you asked me a month ago, i'd say, no, this would not be an indictment i would have taken the under it sure seems like this is going to happen, too that pushes me over the 2.5. i got my draftkings app here. >> it really does. of course, we do this all in jest, tongue in cheek, everybody. you don't have to freak out. it could be over it could be over right now, the fact that he is facing so much legal peril, katty kay, the fact that he could be indicted in four different cases, and he's only becoming more popular with the republican base as the weeks go by, looking more dominant when he goes out on the road, again, suggests something about a

republican base in 2023 that continues selecting election deniers to lead their state parties. that i learned nothing from all of these losses. >> i mean, look at his crowd in davenport. he turns up in davenport. >> big crowd. >> ron desantis had been there ron desantis has an awful lot of work to do to catch up to the national name recognition of donald trump and to try to win over those people who are still clearly very loyal to the president, right around the country. i don't think this is going to be easy for ron desantis, and it's not going to get any easier when he decides to take trump head-on, which he's going to have to do at some point, at least when they're up on the debate stage that's when the people around trump that i speak to are very confident that trump manages to do to desantis what he did to the others in 2016 >> yeah. i mean, desantis' only hope -- and i'm not being facetious in the least -- is to just refuse

to debate donald trump if he goes on a debate stage with donald trump, he'll get mowed down charlie crist even made him look lost the democratic party wasn't behind charlie charlie knew he was going to lose that race because he was getting no support desantis was supposed to be, you know, this great presidential hope rising. he looked absolutely terrible there. katty, that's really, for desantis and nikki haley and mike pence, if they're going to run against donald trump, they've got to go after donald trump. none of them have the stomach to do that. >> yeah. actually, i was at the gridiron on saturday night when pence made those comments about donald trump and history holding him accountable. it was the most forceful i've heard mike pence be, certainly in a public setting. he may be saying that behind

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>> sometime soon >> no. >> that was president biden yesterday, where he held a trilateral meeting with the uk and australia's prime ministers at a naval base point in san diego. during the meeting, the leaders a i announced an agreement to provide australia with conventionally armed but nuclear powered submarines australia will buy up to five u.s. subs before the three countries ultimately build a new model of submarine it'll be based on a design developed by the uk using american submarine technologies. they'll be nuclear powered but will not be armed with nuclear weapons. yesterday, president biden spoke more about the alliance and what this deal means. >> today, we're announcing the steps to carry out our first project under at aukus. it has one overriding objective, to enhance the stability in the

indo-pacific amid rapidly shifting global dynamics in this first project, this first project is only beginning. more partnerships, more potential. more peace and security in the region lies ahead. simply stated, we're putting ourselves in the strongest possible position to navigate the challenges of today and tomorrow together. together >> joe biden there joe, it is a really is tstrateg alliance between america's ally in the pacific, america's ally in europe, and this is just the beginning of something that is very clearly aimed at countering china. >> well, katty, how fascinating it is that a couple days after we hear from china, anger that they're being contained, that there is a containment policy around china, that joe biden would go out and make this very public declaration with leaders

of two other countries just absolutely fascinating. let's bring in right now nbc news foreign correspondent janis mackey frayer. for all of the difficulties janis may have reporting in xi's china, one is not that she has to wake up really early to do her hits from over there it is 6:53 p.m. in beijing right now. 6:53 in the morning. janis, thank you so much for being with us. it's great to have you at 30 rock. >> my pleasure. >> i was just a little surprised. i'm going to go to gene in one second janis, i'm curious, what's your take about joe biden doing this in a very public way, so soon after you had xi angrily denounce the united states for their containment policy >> well, it's also coming after what china sees as a string of anti-china events by the u.s the hearings in washington on

covid orients, the expansion of strategic military partnerships in asia pacific, specifically putting american troops and material back in military bases in the philippines this coming at the same time that japan is expanding its defense budget and this aukus deal that china has criticized for the past 18 months, says the building of an asian style nato so it's china fighting back. china's foreign minister saying himself that it is impossible for china to not fight back. in xi jinping's speech, where he talked about the containment, the suppression, the encircling of china, he specifically named the u.s. he called out the u.s. as leading western nations on these cold war style tactics

i've been in china for ten years. i've been there for the decade of xi jinping. i don't recall that ever happening before, him specifically saying that it's the u.s. leading this western charge so there's some very interesting dynamics that are taking shape in these past weeks, that looking more like a standoff between china and the u.s., at a time when both sides are still claimi ing there could be room o discussion. >> gene, it is, in fact, the case that the united states -- you know, we've talked about looking toward asia now for about 20 years pres presidents, past presidents, talked about the asia focus about as much as donald trump talked about transportation week we never did it. now, we're doing it in the philippines, flexing our muscles in the philippines, in guam, with japan now really agreeing

to move well beyond any post war defense budgets. you look at australia and our deal with the nuclear powered subs i've got to say, if you're china and you're looking at this, you do have to be worried that the united states is finally getting their act together and getting their focus on china's expansionism >> yeah, absolutely. the pivot to asia, which we've been talking about for the better part of 20 years, is actually happening under the biden administration when i talk to people at the chinese embassy here in washington, for some time, they've been taking the line that xi just took. they've been complaining about being on the defensive that the united states is trying to contain china, to constrain china. janis, my question is, i know it's difficult to judge public opinion in china, but what do ordinary citizens think about

this containment idea, and do you think public opinion is generally on xi's side >> well, to a great extent, xi jinping is speaking to a domestic audience when he talks about the way the u.s. is trying to contain china, to try to hamper economic growth, at a time when they are legitimately trying to boost the economy coming out of this post covid fog. if you look at chinese state media and chinese social media, what's really being played up is the fact that the u.s. is trying to put china down, at a time when china is legitimately rising not only militarily but diplomatically the recent deal between saudi arabia and iran was seen as a bit of a coup for xi jinping as a statesman. it is why his upcoming visit to russia and possible phone call with zelenskyy after could

signal that maybe he will bolster his credentials even further. but if you look at how it is being played in state media, it's that the u.s. is very much using these cold war tactics and that china has no choice but to defend itself. >> janis, from your reporting, from everything that you hear, i mean, i guess a question to ask is, what does china want what does xi want? before the spy balloon kerfuffle, you actually had xi willing to meet with our secretary of state, which is pretty unusual, actually that got blown up. i'm curious, what -- do they want closer relations with the united states again, coming out of covid do they want closer relations with europe so their gdp can rise again >> stability, i think, is probably the quickest answer to

that stability with the u.s. and not having to consume energy on that side would allow xi jinping to shore up the economy, to shore up his diplomatic credentials again, and to help china find its mplace in the world part of the narrative is that china's modernization doesn't, any longer, mean westernization. so there is still the move toward trying to nurture this self-sufficiency in chinese technologies and chinese industry but it doesn't want to include conflict with the u.s. >> all right nbc's janis mackey frayer, thank you so much. janis, you're done before 7:00 a.m. quite a change from china. at least done here, right? >> it's the american dream >> the american dream. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> hope to see you again soon. it's the top of the hour

donald trump is rewriting the facts about american elections what a surprise. >> then you hear the fake news saying, oh, he didn't do so well in the midterms. i did well the party didn't do that well because we have people like mitch mcconnell and others that didn't allow them to do well but nobody wants tomention it, so, you know what i say? if nobody is going to mention it, mention it yourself to these kids if nobody else is going to toot your horn, toot your own horn and let it out there that's pretty good, right? 233 out of 250. >> please, the guy lost time and again. dr. oz, really that's your idea for a good pennsylvania candidate and, i mean, doug mastriano got crushed. i mean, donald trump may have helped the next guy who is going to be leading the democratic party in the future by the

horrible decisions that he made. georgia and herschel walker. i mean, yeah, maybe he hit on 82% of the candidates he endorsed, which, of course, when you're endorsing people in gerrymandered districts, it's not hard as "the new york times" points out, the vast majority of those were incumbents and heavy favorites to win in the 36 most competitive house races determined by the political report, trump endorsed candidates in five contests and went 0 for 5 he bwent 1 for 7 in places where super pac money was spent. jd vance in ohio was the only victory. he went 0 for 5 in contested races in the house welcome back to "morn ing joe. it is tuesday, march 14th. katty kay, jonathan lemire and gene robinson still with us. let's bring in msnbc's mike

barnicle we should get you in on the pitching rotation at some point. mike knows more about baseball than -- i mean, he's got more about baseball than we know. i guess this is how they used to throw the baseball at yale look at this, this is ron desantis in a softball interview. look, wee. doesn't followthrough, goes to the side one more time, mike, just so you can see this hold on. it's coming. yeah, okay, thank you. boy, this is some tight editing right here seriously. by the way, what an interview, right? here we go wee. i mean, comes from the side, mike there it is. i mean, come on. this is not hard >> well, you know, he hasn't thrown in a while, clearly, from looking at this clip if you notice his arm, it is kind of rigid right there as it comes around instead of over the top. >> no followthrough, though, mike no followthrough you see it in the slo-mo here

especially look wee. come on, man >> i'm going to cut him some slack, joe i don't think he plays catch all day long he was a very good baseball player at yale very good baseball player at yale >> captain. >> i've got to tell you something else watching him and listening to him over the past four, five days, clips from iowa and everything, donald trump is going to crush this guy. >> yeah, he is no, he is. he is. i guess he was a good player he was captain of the baseball team. >> and he hit. he hit. >> kind of like riding a bike, swinging a golf of club, going skiing, you don't really forget, though i don't understand how you go from the side like that if you've played baseball -- wee -- more than once but we have some other examples of politicians throwing the baseball, too. >> here we go. >> wedon't want to just pick on -- here is barack obama wee! >> oh, my.

>> yeah. see, it's the same thing, man. we have barack obama bowling, too. mika used to get very angry when i showed barack obama bowling. did not like this. but i just couldn't help but go, wee. >> in the gutter. >> gutter ball. >> now, here's an example, though here's an example, though, of a guy who knows how to throw the baseball under the toughest of circumstances, yeah, maybe you think he is a disastrous president, but boom! boom, look at that >> joe, he's wearing a flak jacket underneath that coat. >> flak jacket. >> yeah. >> a flak jacket and you see that thing, it fades into the strike zone i've got to say, mike, though, my favorite part of this story was what jeter said to him beforehand he had all of america cheering for him. he even had new york cheering for him. he famously was driving through the streets of new york after

9/11, and people on the upper west side were jammed in on both sides. it was like a confetti parade practically. rudy giuliani said, you see all these people not one of them voted for ya and not one of them will vote for ya in the future but he's going out he's got the world looking at him in the world series, and he goes out to pitch. remember what derek jeter said to him >> yeah, yeah. >> would you like to tell us >> better throw a strike. >> don't bounce it >> yeah, don't bounce it >> okay. >> mr. president, don't bounce it jean robinson, again, maybe a disastrous foreign policy, but he can throw a strike, can't he? >> he can throw a strike disastrous foreign policy, let's not forget that, but he can throw a strike that's one of the great presidential sports moves. the other, post presidential, was barack obama hitting the

fadeaway three we saw from the corn e w corner, which was amazing. saying afterwards, "that's what i do." >> that's right. that's what i do we'll need to show that since we showed president obama pitching and bowling. we need to get the fade-away ju jumper we need to give him a break. mika is not going to be happy. she hated the bowling and pitching stuff we'll see if she's as upset with me when i show ron desantis pitching and going "wee. katty, six minutes after the shallow part of the top of the show is over why don't you take control, and give us the news. >> we ready? >> yeah. >> we're a minute earlier than we were last hour, so, guys, you're doing well. thank you. >> thank you. >> i love it. trump criticizedkrit was crk pence, saying he'd be held

accountable. trump on a plane to iowa told reporters, quote, had he sent the votes back to the legislatures, they wouldn't have had a problem with january 6th in many ways, you can blame him for january 6th. had he sent them back to pennsylvania or georgia, arizona, the states i believe number one, you would have had a different outcome. according to "the post," trump criticized the bipartisan legislation passed in december that clarified the role of the vice president in certifying the electoral votes for president. trump also suggested pence's criticism of him is because of low poll numbers for a likely 2024 campaign, saying, i guess he figured being nice is not working. you know, he's out there campaigning. and he is trying very hard and he's a nice man. i've known him i had a very good relationship until the end. yeah well, let's bring in vaughn hillyard live from dacvenport, iowa trump said he was tough on pence on the plane, but, boy, he went after desantis that seems to be the person he's

really focused on during the comments in that crowded field in davenport, the crowded room >> reporter: right, katty. mike pence wasn't worth a mention from the stage he was just shy of two hours here in davenport in this inaugural iowa kick-off event for him. ron desantis, if we want to continue the baseball analogy here in iowa, you know, ron desantis can only hope that he's the ray consoella he has to make a sell to the iowans because donald trump owns the bank donald trump is the front runner according to the reception he got in the state of iowa he was on stage at the same time ron desantis is trying to sell a book donald trump went after ron desantis on ethanol, referring back to a 2017 piece of federal legislation in which it was ron desantis trying to end the renewable fuel standard. it's helped to fuel and

propagate the ethanol industry among rural farmers. he went after desantis for entitlement programs, social security and medicare. he said desantis is an acolyte of paul ryan, reminds him of mitt romney. what it took me back to was in october of 2015, when i was sitting in a similar theater, when you saw ben carson looking like he'd be competitive with donald trump donald trump there reenact ed, ben carson supposedly stabbed somebody in his youth, and the crowd was in awe of what was taking place on stage. eight years later, donald trump is back at it here in the town of davenport this time, it was ron desantis the question here is, once the florida governor were to actually run, could he dent into

this and make this iowa caucus a competitive process ahead. >> hey, it's jonathan. i feel we've talked a bunch, wondering why donald trump wasn't really campaigning. there was a disastrous rollout, obviously coming on the heels of the republicans' poor showing i the midterms so many r were saying, it's time to turn the page trump wasn't doing anything, other than having dinner with a white supremacist. you've been there all along. what has changed gene robinson said last hour, is this a sense where trump is back in terms of the campaign fighter? >> reporter: there was moments last night during that speech of his in which i had to question whether january 6th had happened, whether he had actually lost the presidential election, whether republicans had lost governors' races in arizona, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, senate races in

pennsylvania, arizona, georgia, because the introduction, i think, was telling in itself folks have been waiting. governor kim reynolds took to the stage and, yes, she was here last week with desantis, and she's not going to be endorsing, she says, but she gave a full-throated, enthusiastic introduction of donald trump last night she said, kwoquote, he is unapologetically america first he loves this country. i can tell you without hesitation, he loves iowa. please give a warm welcome to president donald j. trump. the crowd erupted in eregistrerupted you're right, i was waiting to see what this campaign would look like when he kicked it off. it was not a mega rally, but it was a crowd of 2,500 in a theater, on a cold day in which wind gusts were up to 25 miles per hour we have seen big crowds come out for donald trump and his allies in the past. that doesn't equate to victories. but for right now, it is better than having a half empty theater

for donald trump and for his cam p paign. we're still out from the caucus. >> a hero's welcome after he lied about the election time and time again spent all of his energy after the election trying to undermine american democracy, trying to undermine the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another, something that had happened, you know, going back to the civil war after january 6th, still greeted as a hero. after dining with white supremacists, still treated as a hero after dining with anti-semite rap stars, still treated as a hero after being responsible for disastrous midterm results from

pennsylvania to georgia out to arizona, still treated like a hero mike, after calling for the termination -- yes, he called for the termination of the constitution of the united states so he could go back into the white house -- he still treated as a hero by the republican base. >> yeah. >> i -- i don't know i don't know what vision of america these people share with americans who actually love the constitution, believe in democratic elections, believe in the rule of law, but there's obviously -- we know this for a very long time -- it's only

getting worse. he's still treated like a hero with the republican base, and he's most likely going to be their nominee, even after all of these things that he's done. >> joe, it's depressing and it's dangerous and it's reality >> it's reality. >> the fact is that donald trump espouses and articulates a vision of his america that is both dark and dangerous and nearly all white and he does it before captive crowds who are actually zealots. you have to ask yourself, in contrast to the others so far, the few kand datdcandidates whoo be running, ron desantis, nikki haley, mike pence -- and, vaughan, i'd like to direct this to you because your 're out the and you've seen him. there is a really dangerous way that donald trump has been gifted with the ability to tell a story, a story filled with

lies no truth in what he is saying. filled with deception. this is a man who tried to overthrow the constitution, to topple a government. yet, he tells a story each and every time he's at the podium, filled with sarcasm, maneeannes, humor. it's there it sets him apart and as the only individual many of his followers would ever follow. how does that happen. >> if you're talking investigations, it's an effort to not only undermine him but the maga movement and everything that these voters fought for to get him elected into office. when you're talking about the reality that he's painting, it goes even, mike, beyond the likes of january 6th i mean, let's just look at russia's invasion of ukraine he tells the crowd here that on

the first day he were to re-enter the white house, he'd be able to end this war in 24 hours. that was the second largest reception he got last night. it was a standing ovation in the theater. of course, donald trump has not been able to answer how he would end russia's war against ukraine in 24 hours. then you also look at his sell on the trade war he instigated in 2018, through 2020. he told the iowa crowd last night he got them $28 billion, these farmers. well, the $28 billion he got them came in the form of checks to compensate them for the losses that the corn and soybean market took from his trade war that's where the $28 billion came from. there is still a trade disparity. the benefits of the trade deal that was actually signed by the trump administration with china have reaped few benefits when he goes up on stage, that's

not what the 2,500 folks in attendance are hearing instead, they're hearing that donald trump fought for farmers, and he is the one that got them a victory against china. >> yeah, and they really don't care what he says. they'll support him no matter what they don't care what he does they'll support him no matter what though, i will say, the one thing that does seem to get them quieted down is when he starts attacking ron desantis they want no part of that. vaughn hillyard, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it we really can't move on here, gene, until we point out, we're talking about donald trump, unfortunately, we have, this morning, a guy who is raising alarms in the intel community. the pentagon, across the world with our allies, our friends and allies ron desantis, who is parroting vladimir putin and kremlin talking points by calling russia's invasion of ukraine a, quote, territorial dispute

that is literally ripping the pages from kremlin talking points. >> exactly. >> it's scaring the hell out of people in the pentagon it is scaring the hell out of people in the intel community. that we actually now have two candidates who are parroting kremlin talking points in a major political party in the united states. >> it should scare the hell out of our allies. it should scare the hell out of a lot of people. and the person who is happiest about it, of course, would be vladimir putin because calling this a territorial dispute, that's not just taking the isolationist line that's not saying, okay, you know, russia invaded ukraine, but we should back off you could say that i think that's wrong, but you could say it but he's disporting distorting distorting the reality of one of

the most tragic situations we have seen in many years. this pbrutal invasion of ukraine complete with war crimes, you know, the likes of which europe has not seen certainly other parts of the world have seen, but europe hasn't since world war ii it's just incredible that desantis would go that route and go that far, to call it a territorial dispute. but if that's where he is, boy, if i'm sitting in berlin or in warsaw, in the baltics or whatever, i'm saying, whoa, you know, this america is back thing may not last what do i have to do if i'm an official of a sort of front line nato country, what do i have to do to protect myself

because it doesn't look like the united states -- or it looks like the united states might not be as reliable an ally as we thought. >> of course, these politicians are reflecting polls that show there is a growing skepticism about america's engagement in the war of ukraine, among democrats and republicans. the federal government is stepping in after two mid-sized banks collapsed within days of each other, assuring americans their money is safe. the markets ended mixed yesterday with questions about what comes next. nbc news correspondent jake ward has more >> reporter: with two u.s. banks being forced into closure in recent days, president biden sought to assure the country before markets opened. >> america can have confidence that the banking sisystem is sa. your deposits will be there then you need them. >> reporter: his administration announcing customers at silicon valueley bank, which collapsed friday, and signature bank in new york, which was shut sunday, would be made whole by the fdic,

federal deposit insurance corporation. >> this is an important point. no losses will be born by the t taxpayers. >> reporter: the biden administration saying its move is not a bailout of the banks like we saw in the 2008 financial crisis, but, rather, a decision to protect bank customers. >> the money to pay the uninsured depositors, such as it's needed, will come from a deposit insurance fund paid for by the banks. >> reporter: the news is welcome relief for ben kaufman, founder and ceo of kid store camp. most of his company's money was in svb when the beeank went undr >> we were panicked. we didn't know how we were going to make end's meet in the coming weeks. >> reporter: desperate to raise cash, his company slashed prices by 40% >> we sent out an email with a discount code. the code was bank run. >> reporter: markets closed mix as concern over what comes next for the smaller banks took a toll the stock value for regional banks declined more than 12% the white house had no choice

but to act by declaring a so-called risk exception for svb and signature, so the full amount of deposits would be covered by the government. >> the government was trying to stop a precipitous withdrawal, essentially a bank run, where uninsured depositors removed their deposits from banks. it looks, for sure, like the worst possible outcome has been avoided. the question is whether or not confidence has been reinstilled into the banking system. >> reporter: ben kaufman, who regained access to his fund, says he typically only worries about running his company. >> we have to think about where the cash sits and what bank we're at that's a whole other added layer of complexity in the already complex world we all live in >> let's bring in right now editor and chief of "cathe economist. let's begin where we were talking before you have two republican candidates who are the two most likely to receive that nomination who are basically parroting kremlin talking

points, calling this a territorial dispute between russia and ukraine what does that do to nato? what fear does that strike in our allies and friends >> i think your conversation before was exactly right it instills a substantial amount of fear. will the u.s. be here? will the u.s. continue after '24? i think it is interesting. obviously, donald trump has been saying this for a while. the question really is, how much is ron desantis now saying things that he thinks he needs to say in order to try and, you know, win over some of president trump's voters and how much does he need this i think in 2014, he was in favor, early on, of supporting ukraine. >> right. >> so this is a new kind of ron desantis the question is, is this a ron desantis for winning the primaries, or trying, or is this what he really believes? we simply don't know. >> look what he said back in 20

2015, what he said last year after the invasion yes, this is not the same ron desantis he is trying to shape shift, i guess to get more in line with donald trump which, well, has him spouting kremlin talk points about territorial disputes let's talk now about the biden-sunak bisplat yesterday. we talked to janis mackey frayer about china's warnings and anger toward the united states, quote, containing them. sounds like what japan was saying before world war ii what was your takeaway between the bilat with the leaders of the united states and the uk >> this shift to aukus, providing nuclear sub ma marineo australia, is an interesting and important mover, i think. it suggests massive corporation, in a way that's never really

been done. the uk actually has access to those submarines but not australia. i think it ispooling resources it's clearly taking a stand against china's potential aggr aggression in that region. it is also one that will be seen by china, and it has been seen as an aggressive one i think it is important. it is essential. it's the new security in the asia pacific region. it reminds you of just how dangerous that part of the world is you know, we've been looking, in the last issue of "the economist," we've been looking at taiwan. it is terrifying when you look at it and you see the direction the u.s. and the direction china is going on. in the next few years, as you've discussed many times on this show, this is probably the most dangerous place on earth. >> zanny, what is your sense of european capitals today, given the pronouncements by governor desantis, given the continuing

unrest among a certain wing of the republican for they about continued aid for ukraine? governments don't plan day-to-day they plan months ahead is there any trepidation that the united states -- in europe, is there any trepidation in european capitals that the united states might be viewed as an unstable democracy, that they don't know what, in effect, will happen in next year's elections in 2024? >> so i think there are two things going on in european capitals firstly, over the past year, since vladimir putin's invasion of ukraine, there has been extraordinary transatlantic cooperation. you know, the united states has been there, has led this, has been working under the biden administration incredibly closely with european allies i think the reality of today is much better and much stronger than anyone might have expected, even a year ago. but set against that, there is a question of, will this continue?

on the one hand, you've seen strong bipartisan support in congress you have republican leaders, both chambers of congress going to kyiv. there is a constant procession of u.s. politicians going to kyiv, saying, "we're here. we're with you for the duration." yet, at the same time, european leaders are watching what is going on in the primaries. they're watching what donald trump is saying. that's no surprise but now, they're hearing what governor desantis is saying, which is clearly a shift for a long time, he said nothing about these subjects what he is saying now is worrying there is en certainty, has there has been many years, about can we rely on the u.s.? do we know the u.s. will be here right now, the stakes in that are up credibly high, given the war in ukraine. >> i heard from a biden administration official this morning, saying the other fear they have about what desantis and trump are saying about ukraine, it might inspire republicans in congress now to start trying to cut back funding to send this year to the war effort it'll embolden putin we want to shift to the banking

stuff over the last few days we know the president, you know, had to be sort of convinced over the weekend to get this done he was told, look, the risk of contagion was so high, they felt they had to do something he emphasized, it's helping small businesses rather than the crypto crypto community ask nd silicon valley we saw the markets react what's the global impact could banks around the world be impacted by this >> first of all, i was here. i lived in washington in 2008 in the global financial crisis. this is nothing like that, but the sense of deja vu you had reports over the weekend, regulators meeting, and then the sunday night press release. this brought back terrible memories of that period. i think there is a sudden recognition from this, that, actually, you know, the impact of the sharp rise in interest rates, which was the underlying

cause of -- or part of the underlying cause of silicon valley bank's failure, it'll be a knock-on effect. the reason the share prices will tumble, there is a realization, where are the other weak inks in the banks? in 2008, there was a push to clean up and strengthen the banking system, to recapitalize it and put in rules that would prevent it, you know, major systemic risk from banks what happened was, that really did happen to some point two things happened since then one, there was a regulatory rollout in 2017 and 2018 silicon valley bank, they used to have a limit of any bank which has more than $50 billion would have to be subject to this extra regulation, extra supervision, and would have to have a plan in place for how to deal with a crisis, how to kind of deal with its own demise. silicon valley bank was covered by that. but there was a big push in the

imme mid-teens, particularly under the trump administration, this was too much of a burden for small and medium-sized banks, so it was $250 billion. silicon bank was no longer covered, so it went on the bend it went on now, how many other banks are weaker than people thought they were that question, i think, is gong to be had around the globe >> okay. america doesn't love regulations, but they may be revisiting the deregulation. zanny, i will see you in london in a couple weeks when i can talk more off air. editor and chief of "the economist," thank you for joining the program. ahead on "morning joe," we're a week from the start of spring, but winter is not done yet. we'll have a look at the powerful storms impacting millions of people on both coasts and an update on the war in ukraine and what russian president vladimir putin seems to have learned from this drawnout conflict. later, virginia senator tim kaine is a guest

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the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine claims russia lost more than 1,000 troops on saturday alone if true, that would make it the deadliest day for russian forces since the war began. joining us now, senior policy researcher, dara masco your piece described what russia got wrong in the war quote, putin's downsized objectives and candor about the campaign's length shows that the kremlin can adapt to its weakened position and condition, its population for a long war. russia then is evolving or buying time until it can regenerate its force the question is whether its changes will be enough there are reasons to think the shifts will not salvage the war for russia, partly because so many things need to change no single factor explains why the war has gone so poorly for russia so far. the explanations include problems that are not easy to

address because they are intractable parts of the russian system such as the self-defeating dec deceit you talk about what russia got wrong during the war is it able to change and rectify its problems >> thank you for having me this morning. i think it is able to make tactical adaptations on the battlefield and learn things that way using the electronic warfare more capably to jam ukrainian forces maybe downsize areas where it occupies the larger issues, how it treats the personnel, no, i don't think they can overcome those losses. >> i do wonder, though, dara, if vladimir putin is not looking to history. all the times russia has been invaded, all the times they've

absorbed massive losses, whether it was napoleon, whether it was hitler they absorbed massive losses, and they just sacrificed millions of russians through those two wars they just ground down their opponents. do you think putin's mindset historically is looking backwards at, say, world war ii, and saying, we're just going to grind them down? we're just going to grind the west down. we're going to wait until ron desantis or donald trump or other populists in the west get elected, then we'll win this war of attrition >> i think there is something to that i think he is playing the long game and hoping that interest fades over time or the capability to continue supporting ukraine fades over time there is a very sad history in russian campaigns from world war ii through afghanistan through

kr ch chechnia, where they're using different tactics. they call them storm unit, but we can think of them as human waves, essentially to locate ukrainian positions and strike them with artillery. they are now in that phase. >> let's underline, again, what you've said before as long as putin grinds this war out, we're probably not going to see a great change in russia's ability to move toward kyiv, to overtake odesa because, again, of systemic failures in the system systemic failures that not only russia has under putin, but that the soviets had, as well, under their leaders. a top-down approach that didn't work strategically, and it certainly didn't work on the ba battlefield. >> absolutely. it's not just the number of losses russia sustained. casualty estimates are 120,000

plus, depending on who you ask it's the troops themselves who were lost in the beginning your most advanced equipment, your best trained professional troops right now you're seeing subsequent waves of mobilized forces who receive days to weeks of training. that's happening on the ukrainian side, as well. we're seeing a different makeup in both militaries, with high intensity, high attrition battles. this is taking a toll on both sides. >> dara, that's where i was hoping you'd take us next, is the state of the ukrainian military u.s. officials i've spoken to, reporting on a story that ran this weekend, they say they're worried, how much men and resources the ukraine han s used in this battle for bakhmut, which has run for months now, depleting both sides russia has troops, unskilled perhaps, they have more of them. there is a fear that ukraine is starting to run allow on ambition but also manpower it could sap their ability to

launch the spring offensive we've been waiting for what's your assessment as to what they can still do >> well, it depends on who you're interviewing in ukraine and where they're actually located. even within the bakhmut battle, there are different accounts from russian commanders and russian soldiers some of them experienced a great deal of stress they're worried about not having enough ambition, enough more tells or artillery shells. others are saying the position is better, based on where they're situated bakhmut is a priority for russia they want to essentially take it so they can move forward for the rest of donetsk, which i think is the immediate goal for the kremlin. >> two factors you mentioned, human capital and the ways of assaults any army from the time of the birth of this world, any assembly of people fighting want to know that their leaders care, to some extent, about their lives. but the russians have proved

their philosophy in ukraine is a typical russian philosophy, destroy and demonize they proved they do not care about the human beings who are wearing their uniform. this is taking place in ukraine, a country where vast numbers of the russian soldiers, i assume, are not from ukraine they're from russia or from prisons. so what they lack, it would seem, would be the will to fight, the will to fight that the ukrainians have, clearly what kind of a difference does this make, do you think, in the long or short run of this war? >> i think it really matters this weekend, there was a funeral in kyiv for a commander who was killed the chief of the general zelensf the other heads of services and general the went before the fallen of the fallen

that's a very important gesture for the ukrainian people to know their leadership cares about them and they are considered defenders. can't continence the previous general doing the same thing i have never seen that keep in mind before the war started from multiple reports now, most of the rank and file were not informed that they were going into ukraine until the day of that kind of ka louseness has undermined their effort from the start. >> joe talked about the examples of how russia is this ground down but it would be world war i is where russia sent waves and waves of troops into the meat grinder and the result was a revolution is that obviously it doesn't seem to be anything like that brewing in russia now, but do

you think the stability and account opinion in russia can sustain himself? >> right now, it's holding it's really quite remarkable because the rate of russian losses outpaces anything in a decade of afghanistan in terms of losses per day. they are experiencing that daily. there is some sentiment in russia that's shifting people are starting to experience anxiety there are complaints from multiple regions of russia from the families and from the soldiers in ukraine ant the way they are being treated so for now, the kremlin is keeping a lid on it, but all of those feelings and sentiments there. the one difference between world war i and the collapse of the line in that war, there was a revolution at home there's nothing like that going on in russia now >> thank you so much for being

with us. we really appreciate it. we have been talking about this isolationist strain in the republican party we have been talking about the surrender caugcus that's startin to form at the top of the republican party with whether it's donald trump, who said i would end this war in a day, and donald trump -- do i have the words here i think he called putin brilliant. he said this is genius called the invasion of ukraine, this is genius it's wonderful we could use that here and of course, called him savvy. so that is the leading contender for the republican nomination in 2024 praising vladimir putin, as he has time and time again now you have governor ron desantis using kremlin language. by the way, this is not an

overreach. you have the kremlin talking points you have vladimir putin talking about a border dispute instead of an invasion between russia and ukraine and desantis is is now talking about the united states detangling itself from the war in ukraine delawasantis said being further angled in a territorial dispute, that is kremlin talking points right there. make no mistakes of it when you hear a politician in america calling an invasion of a sovereign nation a fortorial dispute, in this case, russia's invasion, it's war crimes. the horrors that it's launched against the people of ukraine, calling that a territorial dispute, that's kremlin talking points

ron desantis is now spouting it's between ukraine and russia. and it's not one of them it's not a vital u.s. interest. compare that, though with the positions that ron desantis took before running for president. take a look. >> we in the congress have been urging the president i have been to to provide arms to ukraine. they want to fight their good fight, they are not asking us to fight it for them. the president has refused. and i think that's a mistake >> i think if we had a policy which was firm, which armed ukraine with defensive and offensive weapons to defend themselves, pooutden would make different calculations obama's policy of weakness is making a larger conflict more likely if you had a reagan policy is of strength, you'd see people like

putin not want to mess with us >> mike barnacle, listen to that language he talked about a reagan-like policy tear down that wall. criticizing barack obama's weakness now have you have ron desantis showing weakness far worse weakness in the middle of an invasion, in the middle of a ruthless war where russia commits war crimes every day, and he's surrendering. hes to surrender to putin. he's even doing a tip of the cap to putin by using the kremlin's talking points about a territorial dispute. it's just disgusting i'm sorry. ronald reagan would think it's disgusting cold warriors would think it's

disgusting to just bow down to vladimir putin and the kremlin like this. >> joe, we're a long way from ronald reagan. we're in another century now it's a century where politics has changed night and day compared to reagan's time. so what we have now are potential candidates like governor ron desantis who have a definition of the world. but the problem is it's their world. it's narrow. it's constricted it's pet pet roek y'all. it's offensive, if you think about it if you think about the fact that ron desantis basically said, so what russia is in ukraine. it doesn't awefect us. the narrowness of that vision, the narrowness of his statements, it's more than upis thing. it's scary

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welcome back to "morning joe. it's tuesday, march 14th

jonathan lemire and katty kay are stale with us. we're keeling an eye on wall street the markets are surging after the silicon valley collapse, but a report on inflation couch them going the other way. we're talking to tim kaine about that and much more that's happening right now. plus donald trump's trip to iowa focused heavily on ron desantis. and when i say heavily, he's absolutely obsessed with the florida governor we'll have those comments for you. but we're going to start with the federal government's efforts to head off a banking crisis president biden is urging calm following two bank failures. nbc correspondent stephanie gosk has the very latest on that. >> this morning concerns over a potentially growing banking crisis uncertainly send ing stocks for

medium-sized banks plunging forcing trading to be halted on several to slow the massive saleoff. investors worried the collapse of two large banks could spread to the rest of the banking sector all this despite president biden's remarks yesterday attempting to restore faith. >> america is going to have confidence that the banking system is safe >> while the market was volatile, there was a collective sigh of relief from demerits of both banks after the government quick jumped in to guarantee all their deposits, no matter the size >> how does that feel to get access >> it feels like christmas has come early this year >> reporter: social media company did all its banking with svb. >> i have a team of seven very hard working american employees. >> reporter: president biden assuring the money will come from the banks itself.

>> no losses will be bourn by the taxpayers. >> reporter: accounts up to $250,000 put buzz 87% of the customers had deposits greater than that, they went above that limit to cover their potential losses the government is doing so by dipping into the deposit insurance fund, which is money contributed wit banks and has over $100 billion. what would have happened if the government didn't guarantee deposits for everyone? >> it truly would have been an economic disaster. one of the factors was a classic run on the bank. i think we need to take a look at what happened in the lead up. >> reporter: the collapse is also bringing a spotlight on a 2018 easing some bank regulations enacted during the trump administration now some lawmakers are calling for those safeguards to be reinstated the cries is left many wondering if they should be concerned about their own banks the average american has less than $50,000 in checks and savings

and that remains safe as long as the money is kept in an fdi insured bank >> let's bring in tim kaine. let's ask you first about what's happening with our banking system i was hearing through the weekend, i'm sure you were too from just a variety of people, whether they were in the big banks or regulators or whether they were investors and business owners they expected if the white house didn't aggressively enough, first republic is going to go down, then gents rejects is going to go down they painted a bleak picture some are still concerned banks aren't as steady as they should be what's your best insight on this

how worried should we be >> in virginia our banks have been a pillar. it suspect just the big guys, but smaller banks are important, particularly in rural communities. i think the biden administration did the right thing by using this systemic risk provisions of dodd-frank to jump in and guarantee depositors and management they are going to be held accountable and they are not getting their money back, but depositors will. that provides confidence, but the fed announced they will do a significant study of what happened by may 1. i'm particularly concerned about this sort of social media-driven run that just happened within a couple days. when you have social media to accelerate a loss in confidence together with technology that facilitate instant transactions, that may raise some issues that

are a little different than the classic bank runs of the past that may need some additional work by congress >> you look at what happened following crypto's collapse. especially in silicon valley. that fed into this because of social media, as you say, that fear, that contagion spreads across the nation. so i'm just wondering how fearful are you that investors are investing in regional banks. the sort of banks that we need as a country so we're not consolidated into four major banks how concerned are you that the biggest investors are saying forget about that. i'm going to put my money in jpmorgan chase n bank of america, i'm going to put it in citigroup and wells fargo. >> we do need it watch that.

they were so heavily in the tech sector so it wasn't a bank with the traditionally diverse portfolio. you have seen the tech sector challenges recently. second ly, we have to dig into the effect of the fed raising interest rates pretty quickly. they have an antiinnation flair mission. you drop bond prices there are a lot of assets in government bonds but rising interest rates were dropping and devaluing their assets so how much is this about tech or crypto, but the good news the federal regulators had the tools to come in when there's a challenge, unwind the bank, use the risk criteria i suspect that will be sufficient >> you said on the arms services

committee. we want to switch top you cans and get your reaction. meaning the two leading candidates for the republican nomineement to curtail u.s. involvement with the war what's your response >> calling a dictator's an invasion of a sovereign nation, committing human rights abuse ace long the way a territorial dispute, give me a break anybody that's paying attention knows this is not just a territorial dispute. this is not like michigan and ohio trying to decide where the worder should be this is an illegal invasion with gross human rights abuses. so watching governor ron desantis, who i don't know, do this super soft pedaling of the language, i find very troubling.

and as you indicated, he was using different language a few years ago. he seemed to understand who russia was and what was at stake in russia and ukraine. let's loot at another conflict on a beel to repeal the 1991 and the 2002 authorizations for use of military force in iraq and the gulf wars. most americans would be surprised that there still was authorization for military use for those conflicts. >> you're right. these authorizations more than 30 years ago and the 2002 authorization, we're coming up on the 20th anniversary of the invasion of iraq it's still on the books. secretary austin was there to commit at iraq's request to continue to work together with iraq

it's now a security partner. i have been working for years in a bipartisan way to try to repeal outdated authorizations and then revise those that continue to have utility but the good news is it's taken me awhile to get interest, but now we have solid interest we'll have 65 votes on the noor we'll have a first vote is and do final vote next week i give huge credit to thai young on indiana on the senate side there's a huge group of supporters on the house side this will be the first time they have voted to terminate a war authorization in 50 years. it's an important constitutional power that congress should guard very jealously >> democratic senator tim kaine, i know you have a train to catch. thank you for joining us >> take care as republican presidential

contenders wage war on so-called wokism, president biden is reportedly planning a different approach for his expected reelection campaign. despite angering some within the democratic party with his perceived moves to the center, "the washington post" reports that biden, quote, plans to spend the bulk of his time in public talking about issues where democrats agree and touting accomplishments on issues like reducing drug costs, defending democracy and protecting the environment that highlight democratic unity joining us with more on the strategy and the democratic response to it, congressional reporter for "the washington post," mariana looking at what's happened over the course of this had weekend with ron desantis and d dth clearly wading into the culture wars, is it possible

>> biden's strategy is going to be going after those republicans, if anything, you hear democrats hoping that trump and desan fits, these statements on cain kraib that they have both made are something that is extreme. just are repeating biden's own phrase of maga extremism and pointing out that not all republicans tall this that lane. that's where you see biden trying to differentiate in order to have those bipartisan conversations with those trying to get things done like preventing the country from defaulting to your point about trying to mitigate the frictions within his own party, that's becoming a little bit more difficult. we saw that exposed with house democrats when biden told senate democrats he wasn't going to

veto the crime legislation, a lot of the immigration proposals put forward on asylum changes as well as possibly floating family detention, that really upset progressives, a growing group. it's actually this year the most largest group of latino democrats who are part of the house caucus those things are becoming trickier for hum to mitigate progressives saying we have pushed bidento be a more liberal president, probably the most progressive that we have seen however, he still needs to continue to listen to engage us. they are feeling left out after several years of touting what he would have liked to see done and signed into law. >> so jonathan lemire, this sounds so familiar and i'm certainly not saying that joe biden is turning a page from bill clinton, but it sounds like try angulation from the

1990s, where you had a republican party that seemed extreme, that seemed extreme on the government shutdown. later on in impeachment. and you can just duodown the list of statements on guns and so bill clinton was masterful in triangulating the republicans with people that many consider to be too far left in his own party. so what did had he do? he moved trd with welfare reform he signed it a third time, ask you talk about an outrage progressive base, the things that were said about bill clinton. he did the same thing with balanced budget. he agreed to a balanced budget agreement. you look at his autobiography, what are the things he brags about in husband introduction. welfare reform, balanced budget and other center right positions. not only helped him get

reelected, but it also helped him drive newt gingrich out of town and keep republicans on their back heels throughout his presidency so here we have joe biden, again, trying to find the center and it's going to be face ing t same challenges bill clinton did, keeping progressives on board while triangulating some on the left. >> biden taking some of those steps. he's asked a lot of progressives during his time, even when democrats had control of both houses of congress, project you haves were the one made to give up more in negotiations with senators manchin and cincsinema get the legislative agenda done. we're seeing some larger fault lines on dc crime bill and the climate protections that have left the left unhappy. so i wanted to ask one of the ways that the biden administration was able to placate the left is they had a

whisper, if you will that was ron clayton, the emissary to the progressives he's not in that job anymore what's the impact there? they don't have that channel they used to >> it's pretty significant, to your point brogi progressives saying theres been a change at the white house. they are blaming it on the personnel issue issues they don't say him by name publicly, but privately, that's who they say we miss ron klain. and he really did make an effort early on when it was right before he was tapped to be the democratic nominee, where it was just him and bernie sanders left and ron klain knew early on they had to start to bring in the progress utahs to make sure that biden could have a solid democratic support and those conversations started very early this was march 2020 where klain reached out to the

progressive progressive caucus that conversation, that relationship really strengthened and did help to bring forward a number of biden's legislative achievements whether it's an infrastructure bill or the more narrow inflation reduction act. now that they don't have that relationship with klain since he stepped back, progressives are trying to buld that same relationship, but it really is not there yet. they are very clear about talking to the white house trying to get that in again. but again, it's still pretty new ground >> that is going to be fascinating how that developed thank you so much. we really appreciate you bringing your reporting here hope to see you again soon so jonathan lemire, the $64,000 question this morning, we talk about joe biden and joe biden's campaign are you sure joe biden is going

to run are we sure joe biden is going to run we're in the middle of march it seems that that announcement day kind of keeps gettinged off. is he just more interested in pushing off into the future. so he's not seen as a lame duck for the better part of two years. >> most people in president biden's circle expect him to run dwen but they are not saying it with 100% certainty we know president biden has said he intends to run and there are some behind the scenes maneuvers to do that discussion about campaign offices, staffing, the things you do to launch a campaign. the white house says there's simply no rush they don't believe he's going to be challenged within the democratic party they point to november's strong midterms they also point -- >> why wouldn't he just announce it now though? what good is it waiting?

>> the timeline has slipped. one reason why you do wait and target maybe april is simply for fundraising purposes campaign finance deadline. you don't want to announce it too late in the quarter. wait for the next one to say look at all the money we raise ed but i'm being told this could slip until may or june the campaign officials justify that white house aids close to biden say there's no rush because look how slow the republican field is developing but the longer he waits, the louder the whispers and the doubts will grow there's some in the democratic party that do want him to jump in do this now just in case if he doesn't, they don't want to run out of time to figure out the race to succeed him. we know as a last thought president biden often says he's a firm believer in fate. knows that life intervenes

he's suffered a lot of personal tragedies in that way. some close to him he wants to take his time, think about this further, let life happen before he makes his final decision. it might be a few more months. >> yeah. the person who knows most is jill, and jill as far as i can tell, seems to be in favor of it she seems to be on board let's have a quick look at other stories making headlines north korea fired two ballistic missiles into the sea of its east coast today. both traveled 385 miles. it's latest in a series of weapons test as the south korean and u.s. miliaries care carried out their biggest joint exercises in years the test came days after north korea test fired two cruise missiles from the submarine on sunday they were launched off the east coast within striking distance of japan, including u.s. military bases

mitch mcconnell has been released from the hospital after receiving treatment for a concussion according to his communications director, the 81-year-old also suffered a rib fracture during a fall last week at a washington, d.c. event and will be spending some time at an patient facility for physical therapy before he goes home. mcconnell aid tells nbc news he's not can wanted to return to the senate all the any point this week. we wish him well still ahead on "morning joe," president trump intensifies his attacks against ron desantis we'll take a look at what he had to say in iowa plus desantis was captain of the baseball team, but you might not know it based on a recent fox news interview you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash.

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>> you have a couple boys. >> 11 and 8. >> they play baseball. >> i'm going to give them a tip. uncle joe's baseball clinic right here on "morning joe." for people that watch this program, they know we have looked at first pitches. whether it was from whoever it was from their throwing motions lacked something. we heard ron desantis had a ab interview at fox here's a clip of them throwing the ball back and forth. they are talking

>> look at this throwing motion. it's a strange thing let's see if we can see it one more time here wee. >> look at this. so here he is. wee. do we have that in slow motion so when your boys learn how to not throw a ball wee. come to me we can't keep showing the kids the wrong way to do it jonathan will know this. this guy played baseball in college. you go back and wee, no, you got to bring it through.

whether you're golfing or throwing the baseball. know he's in a suit. take the jacket off. i don't understand he played college baseball >> it's a big part of his story. he played the little league world series and the form here is just shaky. first of all, take the jacket off. also, you have to go all the way back you form the t you come over the shoulder he's short arming it there also maybe use two hands on the catch.

>> he's not exactly whipping it in there it's a softball interview. but he didn't play division one college baseball ron desantis did apparently he's gotten rusty >> no excuses do we have barack obama bowling, by chance i miss those days. get us that too. it's been awhile new way. katty kay, i'm sorry you had to go through all of that and hear all of that >> i'm just enjoying you and jonathan having fantasies about being pro baseball players again. clearly it doesn't change. you can't take the ball out of the man. >> it's not a fantasy about being a professional baseball player it's about like the fund

fundamentals. >> it's the fundamentals it's the throwing of baseball. you come through the top do you get that? i don't get it >> i don't know. it's a weird motion. he doesn't bring the arm back the way he should. and it's a weird weight shift that he's doing at that. that's not the way you teach your sons how to throw a baseball >> wee >> joe getsen an oscar for the sound effects. >> this guy was captain at yale. come on, man i got to believe i'm just going to say he's tired.

>> you don't forget the fundamentals we think of if he wants to be president, who have done a sport well so you watched george w. bush throwing that ball over the plate, that was pretty good. barack obama playing basketball, he can play basketball but that throw was just not the way you want to teach. former president trump tears news with ron desantis during a campaign stop in iowa. we'll look at what he had to say ahead on "morning joe.

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donald trump's presidential campaign made its first stop in iowa, but before his plane landed, he was criticizing ron desantis it started yesterday afternoon on social media with a video in which trump said the state of florida was doing great before ron desantis while praising former republican governor rick scott and even democratic governor charlie crist for their time in office >> whoa. >> while on the plane to iowa, politico reports he spent ten minutes going after delaware san taking credit for helping him win the governor's race and exresing redwret he had endorsed him. he continued to call out desantis while on stage in davenport, iowa. the former president used nicknames and rattled off claim about his voting record while he was a member of congress

>> so remember this. ron desantis, he strongly opposed ethanol. do you know that we don't even know if he's run ing, but if he's not running, i'll say, he was fine on ethanol. he strongly opposed ethanol and fought against it at every turn. he's going to do that again because people that come out early for something, that's where they go. that's what it is. so he may do something politically, but he was very bad on ethanol he fought it all the way he fought against social security he wanted to decimate it and voted against it three times voted against social security. that's a bad one a lot of people don't know that. they have been finding out over the last four weeks, one of the reasons that we're zooming in the polls, perhaps, maybe it's other things too, but it's based on what we have done and on social security, he wanted the behind mum retirement

age to be lifted to people that are 70 years old, a substantial increase over what it is right now. that's a big increase. he also voted to severely cut medicare i will not be cutting medicare and i will not be cutting social security >> so somebody is getting under the former president's skin. you know how in physics they talk about reaction, you're not much going to have reaction because he doesn't want want to get into the fight yet >> not yet jonathan lemire, this guy is obviously so in donald trump's brain. the hypocrisy is always great. it's great to listen to. it's so funny. he goes, oh, somebody who has come out for ethanol usually the way they come out at first, that's where they are and that's where they stay. says the man who spent his life being a pro choice democrat, who is now pro life, who spent his

life support ing gun control, nw he's mr. second amendment. you can go down the list with donald trump he's changed he even said if desantis doesn't run, he will change his views on desantis so again, he's obsessed with ron desantis but i will tell you, you read the comments from yesterday and maybe you can add to it, trump went back to davenport, iowa, where he had a thousand people "new york times" reporting yesterday that trump when he came in shut the town down by 2:00 p.m it was 2,400 people standing room over. the center of the graty of the republican party still centers around this guy, who right now the over/under on indictments is at 2.537 i'm not sure you want to go over or understood, but even with two to four indictments facing this guy,

he's still the center of the republican party, which tells you all you need to know >> a lot of action on draftkings on trump indictments people banging the over on that. you're right though. the last few weeks, despite the increasingly it has crystallized this is still trump's republican party. his aids were quick to show he drew a bigger crowd than desantis did in that same town of davenport iowa has never been one of his best states either, and he showed an early sign of strength there. but the obsession with desantis is real and it's twofold some of this is donald trump he's donald trump. he's jealous he's resentful he's the governor of his home state, but aids say there's some, and i'll emphasize some strategy to this they feel like if they make life as difficult as possible for

desantis now, it might desuede him from getting in the race at all. this is how tough it's going to be we're going to beat you up every day. why don't you wait four years. the risk is by singling all his asuccess ises on desantis, trump is not saying anything about haley or john bolton he talks about pence and january 6th. by focusing his attacks on desantis desantis he's raising his profile so this could backfire, at least for now. all signs are pointing to desantis jumping in the race he gets that pesky law changed that allows him to run for other office while being governor of florida. >> it's absolutely fascinating donald trump obsess issed with ron dedesantis

>> actually praising charlie crist for being a really good governor, this reminds me of when he said he might support stacey abrams. has nothing to do with the party. it has nothing to do with the political movement he's vieg it has nothing to do with issues this should serve as a reminderer to a republican party that just keeps losing, donald trump is only interested in himself. and he will set is fire to the party and to the movement, to any cause they believe in if it gets in his way. >> yeah, is there anybody out there who didn't think that donald trump would be the one to launch the wave of republican violence and here he goes. and that's what i don't get about desantis and hnikki haley and others who are thinking about getting into the race,

they don't want to talk about trump. they don't want to mention his name or snay anything about him, but he's going to go after you you know he's going to do that and he is elevating desantis by going after him, but he's just going to try to savage him every opportunity he gets. and by doing that, trump raises his own profile. it's like greatest hits for the base this time the target is desantis and instead of biden, whatever they love to see him on the attack like that i got to say he sounded yesterday more like the donald trump we have come to know and many of us loathe and fear, but we have come to know in past campaigns. this is the first time he seemed like trump on the stump the way we have seen it before

that sort of aimlessness anden drifting, rambling, all self-pity. there's some of that as well but he's get ting in shape for campaign >> coming up, president biden's domestic policy adviser susan rice is our guest. she's going to join us as the president prepares to sign a new executive order to increase gun background checks. something that, well, 90% of americans report we'll talk about that when we return get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com has helped businesses get over a billion dollars and we can help your business too. qualify your business for a big refund in eight minutes.

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vital national interests, becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between ukraine and russia is not one of them he accused the biden administration of driving russia into an alliance with china and empowering putin's war machine at measuring's expense back in 2015 when obama was president, desantis had this to say. quote, we in the congress have been urging the president, i've been, to provide arms to ukraine. they want to fight their good night. they're not asking us to fight it for them. and the president has steadfastly refused. and i think that that's a mistake. that was back then desantis is not alone in his curt rhetoric. he's some of what donald trump has said about the war including his most recent comment where is he suggested negotiating off a part of ukraine to give it to russia >> could have negotiated i could've made a deal to take over something there are certain

areas that are russian-speaking, but you have to work the deal. >> i was the only president where russia didn't take over a country during my term russia took over because i got along with vladimir putin very well i said, don't do it. you and i are friends. don't take over any countries. moscow will be hit hard. >> there was a television screen i said this is genius. putin declares a big portion of the ukraine. putin declare it is as independent. oh, that's wonderful so, putin is now saying, it's independent. a large section of ukraine i said, how smart is that? he's going to go in and be a peace keeper that's the strongest peace pea force. we could use that on our southern border. that's the strongest peace force i've ever seen there were more army tanks than i've ever seen they're going to keep peace all right. here's a guy who's very savvy.

i know him very well, very, very well. >> this starts with donald trump expressing kind words for vladimir putin i think there's something far more dangerous about this. this is now desantis suggesting deeming this war a territorial dispute between ukraine and russia instead of russia invading ukraine suggesting the biden administration is too involved in that war and we should pull back that is very different than where other republicans are. that means the two leading voices of the republican party are both saying the u.s. is too involved in that war what does that do? that gives credence to vladimir putin's theory that time is on his side, that he can wait out this war, he can wait until the next presidential election and if he continues to grind on, keeps the battle going through 2024, there's a pretty good

chance that if a republican is elected, that republican will back off and let putin take part of ukraine. >> well, you just heard donald trump. this is genius, it's wonderful, talking about the invasion of ukraine. we should do that, we could use that in america, donald trump says talks about how savvy he is. the russians have now lost 200,000 troops it's been the worst decision for vladimir putin not only in his reign but probably he's going to be seen as the guy responsible for the complete collapse of russia in time katty kay, this is dangerous, not just because of the message it sends to vladimir putin where he says all i need to do is try to interfere in the next american presidential election help a republican, desantis or trump, get elected and they're

going to do my bidding for me. they're going to undercut nato it sends the wrong message of course, the thing that really concerns me just as much or more and i'm sure you as well with all the diplomats and leaders i've spoken with over the past year, all the generals, admirals, war strategists i've spoken to over the past year, the biggest concern is that our allies don't stand shoulder to shoulder with us european leaders telling me, sure, biden's fine, we're doing great with biden, america's back, but is america back for two years, three years, four years and then we get donald trump again. and now they see ron desantis, who's the second most likely person to be president of the united states other than perhaps joe biden. he's also talking about a retreat. republicans trashed barack obama

for saying that. ron desantis is talking about something far worse. he's talking about trashing the international order. he's talking about dismissing a full scale invasion of a sovereign european nation as a border dispute this is so reckless. i've got to think this morning there's a lot of stuff that people talking about in american politics that don't make it across to europe and across the world. this one does, because here's another example of the republican party just basically saying the hell with it, we're going to throw in our lot with vladimir putin. >> ever since the 20 ele20 elec there's obviously been concerns in europe this could be a reprieve, it was great to have joe biden, but donald trump could be back again. now, especially with what ron desantis is saying right now on ukraine, there is a realization

amongst european allies that even if it's not donald trump, it's likely to be ron desantis, so whoever is going to run is going to run as the anti-ukraine candidate. that makes europeans think, well, hold on a second, if america is not going to be here beyond the 2024 election if a republican wins, do we really want to be committing all of those tanks or looking at f-16s or jets? an already anxious europe gets even more anxious about its long-term commitment to ukraine if america is not going to be there. ukraine is now on america's political timetable. that's a scary prospect if you're in kyiv. coming up, we're going to be joined by democratic congressman

ro khanna. we're going to hear what he's saying about holding silicon valley bank accountable.

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welcome back to "morning joe. it is 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. time to get up, everybody out west we have a lot to get to, including how the markets are reacting to the collapse of silicon valley bank as president biden attempts to reassure americans on the health of the us banking system. we'll talk to ro khanna. police, president biden is expected to sign a new executive order to increase the number of

gun background checks. we'll get the details when domestic policy advisor susan rice joins us coming up. we start with news on the economy. inflation rose in february, but was in line with expectations. the consumer price index increased .4% for the month putting annual inflation rate at 6% let's see how the fed responds. >> this is about where we thought it was going to be there was some concern on wall street this morning that if it came in too hot, you combine that news with what happened over the past weekend, it could be pretty rough for the markets. it's not bad let's bring in stephanie ruhle sort of in line with things and it shows a further cooling down. what's your take >> you nailed it, joe.

we are still in an inflationary environment. things are expensive out there however, the trend is going in the right direction. inflation is slowing potentially jay powell, the fed does have an opportunity here come the next potential rate hike to put a pause on it. given what's happened in the last week, we're now experiencing one of the unintended consequences of raising rates. because things are trending in the right direction, this could give jay powell enough reason to say let's put a pause on this and let things stabilize and we'll see where things go from here. >> when you look at what happened with silicon valley bank and the fears, we kept hearing they misplayed inflation, they didn't go by the old rules, i guess in part

because nobody's had to deal with this sort of inflation for 40 years >> that's what's extraordinary, joe. when you look at heads of financial institutions right now, many of them have just never had to play in an inflationary environment like that you could say, well, there's no excuse nfor that what are you running the 16th largest bank out there for and not realizing rates could be going up they made a very bad mistake fast forward, they decide to come out, sell security, spook the markets. it's sort of a confluence of bad decisions that caused disaster for svb. very few people have had to work or run organizations in this type of inflationary environment. they got caught on the wrong side of the trade. >> they did. let's bring in democratic member of the house oversight and armed services committee, ro khanna,

who represents the heart of silicon valley the crypto crisis, now silicon valley what's so fascinating is, if this had been a regional bank, let's say in the deep south, if this has been a regional bank in the midwest, people would just say, local yokels don't know how to run their business. this was in the heart of silicon valley these were people that should have known better. yet, they've been exposed in the crypto crisis. now they've been exposed in the inflation crisis what did these bankers not see coming what did they get so terribly wrong? >> they made a couple of mistakes first, they didn't have a chief

risk officer they had these long bonds because they wanted the higher interest rates when the rapid rate hikes happened, actually those bonds lost value and they had short-term deposits. they had 90% in tech tech started to pull out money both because of the crypto crisis and higher interest rates and they didn't diversify. one of the problems is they lobbied to weaken the dodd-frank restrictions i voted against weakening it they lobbied to exempt them from the regulations that could have prevented this crisis. >> stephanie, i'd love to get your insight on this, because there's been a debate raging over the past day or two about whose fault it was for this happening. it seems to me that all these so-called libertarians, who of course still want bailouts, they're saying oh no, no, no, it

had nothing to do with the deregulation in 2018, it had nothing to do with the capital requirements for this bank, nothing to do with that at all i'm curious, where do you fall on this debate >> here's squarely where i fall. while i totally appreciate the political debate of blaming democrats or blaming republicans, i blame silicon valley bank and the executives who are paid millions of dollars to run the joint i'm sorry, they didn't have a chief risk officer at the time well, why the hell not and where was the board and the executive committee? there's absolutely no excuse for this where was goldman sachs, their highly paid advisor telling them to go out and sell securities at a loss and then tell the market. mistakes across the board. because part of dodd-frank was rolled back, that meant small and regional banks could take

more risks that's a complicated one, because when dodd-frank was implemented, there's something called regulatory capture where the big, big banks can afford as much regulation as you want to pile on them, but smaller banks can't and that squeezes them out of the market. we don't want to be in a situation where we've only got four giant banks and nothing else but the answer isn't regulate or don't regulate, it's smart regulation because svb and other banks pushed for so much rollback, there weren't the necessary stress tests and capital requirements that could have potentially kept them out of this they went from being a small institution with $40 billion in assets to almost $200 billion. they were so jacked up to grow so big and clearly they didn't know how to grow into their much bigger shoes. >> i know you spoke out saying the treasury department did not

move with enough urgency on this we heard from the president yesterday. how would you assess how the federal government has responded before and after the collapse? >> i said these days bank runs happen at the speed of twitter i don't think the government was quite there on friday or saturday but by sunday they were there and that's what mattered they had to be there before the markets opened i give them a lot of credit for coming out and saying the most important thing, that deposits are protected. in this country, depositors are protected. that's going to prevent a run and they deserve credit for that >> let's bring in andrew ross sorkin, who's going to tell us what happened and who we should blame. >> i'm very curious what congressman ro khanna's got to say about this, because so many of the constituents of his who were venture capitalists who had

their money on the line, i want to know what he thinks about the personal responsibility issue in all of this. we're talking about the sort of libertarian vocal strain, but this is a group of people who have been arguing for years with you, i think, about things like carried interest and special tax treatment for themselves, all on the basis that they're doing something that's privileged and special and different. and yet here we are rescuing them once again. >> here's what i would say the people with the biggest money, they weren't at risk. they're in sweep accounts. they're in money mutual market accounts >> oh, you know what, though, i'm going to take issue with that and disagree. they might have been in sweep accounts their actual funds but the truth is their investments, all of their portfolio companies, the investments they were making, which included pension fund money.

but if those companies failed, they fail. there's no fees they get to collect with those companies fail, right? >> sure, in that sense they had exposure, but that's saying, look, there were 50,000 of these companies at the bank, and some of those companies did things that employed people who were in the middle class, so it also was about people's rent, it was about nonprofits there was silicon valley community services center, a food bank, that's with them. the protection of depositors was, in my view, right jay powell did it for the bank of new england we don't let depositors be hurt. >> the reason i asked the question is, if we become a nation of bailouts and recognize that's what we have become, 9/11, 2008, airlines and everybody in covid and now here we are all over again. do we have to rethink the

system maybe taxes should be considered just an insurance policy that people are forced to pay because invariably we're going to need such insurance >> we could debate the semantics and i don't want to get into that, but i do want to say why this is different from 2008. in 2008, when the banks were bailed out, the money went to the bondholders and the shareholders here we're talking about a deposit insurance fund that has about 100 billion. it comes from fees the banks pay into it. >> the banks don't pay it. the customers pay it because they pass on the cost of the insurance program to the customer. >> sure. i do blame the silicon valley executives and the board and the shareholders i do think it's problematic that the ceo sold 3.6 million may have been a scheduled sale, so i'm not saying he did something wrong. regardless, there should be a

clawback who's being protected are the depositors some of those companies, clean tech companies, climate companies, a.i. companies, biocompanies if you care about the i.r.a. working or the chips and science act works and making sure we're ahead of china to bring jobs and manufacturing back, you've got to care about the 50,000 of the innovation pipeline. banks should pay a higher premium and submit to higher regulation and in turn we should have higher fdic for companies so they could make payroll in this kind of crisis. >> can we go back to something you're saying they're in sweep accounts, it's fine. can you go back to responding to, yeah, but scores of small companies they were invested in, which is the reason they made so much money, were not in those accounts and some of the huge customers

at svb were saying to those startups, pull your money now, which caused that $40 billion to be pulled overnight. it's kind of disingenuous to say no an dr that's how they make ti money. >> sure. i'm not going to dispute that point. what do you do you have 50,000 of these companies, some of them with venture backing. they are not going to be able to make payroll one of the companies is saying we've got 400,000 people on our payroll, we're not going to be able to make that payment. what does the government do? do we guarantee the deposits or say let these companies go under because they had voenture backe money? i don't think that would have been responsible both because of

the regional run on banks which would have consolidated in four banks. jp morgan, citibank, wells fargo and bank of america, we do basically garuarantee deposits. the deal is they submit to much higher regulation and met more liquidity and stress tests i think that needs to be looked at for some of those regional banks. >> so here we are again, andrew. you wrote the book on this "too big to fail. here we are again with this dilemma. i've got to say 15 years after 2008, i still don't have a good answer to it we talk about who row wits these are the people we look to help finance the american dream, to help finance the great

startup. when things go great, we salute and go yay america when things start to break down, we go around looking for culprits this is the dilemma we find ourselves in i want people to be punished if they make reckless investments in crypto currency or elsewhere. at the same time this weekend, i had a very different view than i did in 2008. i was against all of the bailouts in 2008 of course, afterwards you figured out the economy would have been wrecked and yes the u.s. government did end up making money on those bailouts at the end but here this weekend we go wait a second, we have no choice but to bail these banks out, to bail these bad investments out. at the same time, we are now doing what you just said at the beginning. we are continuing to be a

bailout culture. my god, it sends such a horrific message to investors, to bankers, to everybody. >> look, i'm to have view that you do have to pursue these bailouts >> we have to. we had to. i'm with you. >> it's the practical reality. but the problem of socializing losses and prioritizing gains becomes the conundrum. then we have to think about the tax system i know people don't like to talk about that, but here we are in a world where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and you've got to be able to pay for all of this. we have not come to grips with that i think these kind of moments should be these wakeup calls where you should think there would be bipartisan support. there's bipartisan support for the bailouts there should be bipartisan support for ways to pay for all these insurance programs. >> steph, we saw during the covid bailout people that owned

private jets figuring out a way to make money off of the covid bailouts you talked about that a lot. let's follow up on what we just heard. we've got a culture now that socializes losses and privatizes gains. the same people that are talking about, oh, the single mom should pull herself up by her boot straps, oh, we've got to cut back on this welfare culture are the very people that say, you've got to socialize my losses here or the entire economy goes up in smoke. i mean, come on. it is pretty maddening yet, it seemed like they've got us over the barrel because we can't let the economy collapse >> we absolutely can't have the regional banks collapse. we need the regional banks you also have to remember who the biggest lobbyists are. it's the people with the deepest pockets. while we have become a culture

of bailouts, not when it comes to student loan debt, or we've got people across this country straddled with tens of thousands of dollars that they have to cover, we ended the expanded child tax credit, which raised 40% of children in poverty out of poverty, because that was simply too much for our government to spend. yet, when it comes to any sort of corporate bailouts, banks or airlines, we say, no, they employee tens of thousands of people, we have to help those companies. what we don't do is help the individuals at the bottom. to your point, it's kind of like, hey america, pick a lane choosing your winners and losers, that's when we're in a truly morally hazardous place. >> congressman, there's going to be an open senate seat in the state of california and it's going to be a crowded competition. three colleagues are jumping in,

represents schiff, porter and lee. >> i am going to weigh very heavily barbara lee. she's been a hero of mine on the anti-war movement and i think an african-american woman is needed i do think the fed did the right thing to protect deposits, but when you look at jackson, mississippi, east palestine, ohio and people with student debt and medical debt, they see the congress isn't able to act in the way they did here why do some people get the relief and others don't? >> congressman ro khanna, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. andrew, quickly, we didn't even talk about inflation what's it going to mean for the

markets today? >> you look at the markets they look like they're going to open up in a relatively good way. part of that is a sense that maybe the dominos at least temporarily have stopped falling. all these regional banks and the other piece that maybe inflation is coming down marginally, there's been questions about what the federal reserve is going to do next also because of the problems we're seeing in the banking system to the degree that potentially jay powell was going to raise interest rates as much as 50 basis points, maybe he goes 25 basis points or does less over time that has people feeling a little bit better this morning. >> thank you so much appreciate it. stephanie ruhle, thank you so much we're going to be watching the 11th hour tonight on msnbc do you know what are you're doing yet tonight? >> probably just sleeping under my desk between now and then >> i like that

that sounds like a real plan thank you so much, stephanie president biden will head to monterey park, california, today where he is expected to call for tougher gun safety measures. the president will announce an executive order meant to reduce gun violence and increase background checks. the city of month ray park suffered a mass shooting back in january when a gunman opened fire inside a dance studio during a lunar new year celebration, killing 11 people joining us now ahead of the president's visit, white house domestic policy advisor susan rice she also served as national security advisor in the obama administration this is something that joe biden was charged with after sandy hook he tried to get some kind of congressional action on gun control measures is there optimism in the white

house that any efforts that you could take by executive order could have the kind of impact that america needs to try to stem this epidemic of mass shootings that we've seen so far this year. >> good morning. it's great to be with you. obviously the most important thing that could happen to stem gun violence in this country would be for congress finally to pass long overdue legislation to make background checks universal, to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines, to hold the gun industry accountable and take away its unique immunity from liability and many other legislative steps. last year, president biden was proud to sign the bipartisan safer communities act, which was the most important piece of gun legislation in 30 years. it did some important things, but there is no substitute for what congress must do. in the meantime, president biden

from his first day in office has sought to use every executive authority that he possibly has to make our country safer. what he will sign today is a landmarkexecutive order that will bring the united states government as close as we possibly can be without legislation to universal background checks. that will be an important step forward. the executive order will also encourage and mandate greater efforts to utilize red flag laws in those 19 states and the district of columbia, which have them to keep guns out of the hands of those that might be a danger to themselves or others and safe storage of weapons, another critical ingredient of trying to keep guns out of the hands of those who should not have them. this executive order will do a number of things it will continue to place president biden in the position of being the president who's taken more executive action on

guns than any other president at this point in his tenure. >> susan, you know, all these things that he's doing, he's going to be painted as some left wing radical freak yet, the overwhelming majority of nra owners, the overwhelming majority of republicans, the overwhelming majority of americans all support this legislation. yet you have ron desantis in florida -- and i don't want to make this personal to any one person, but just to show you how extreme people are on this issue, actually talking about open carry in the state of florida. can you talk about the radicalism of one side versus the very mainstream common sense popular approach this white house is taking on guns? >> joe, that's exactly the point. if you look at any polling, it all shows the vast majority of

americans support universal background checks. it's just common sense to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of criminals, domestic violence abusers that's just common sense, whether you're a recreational shooter or a collector of guns assault weapons ban, that too is broadly popular. what you're seeing is a vast disconnect between the torqued and stextreme politics of some here in washington that bear no resemibblance to the priorities and values of the vast majority of americans when you talk about open carry and members of a party using an assault weapon as a symbol of their party, it's just really out of touch with the fact that gun violence is the leading killer of young people in this country. if you are a black and brown young person or living in many

of our communities, you're very, very vulnerable to gun violence. we see it all day, every day, not just in the mass shootings that make the headlines all over the country, but every day in our communities. it's horrific and we have got to do something about it. president biden has been clear sn enough is enough it's past time to create an assault weapons ban, a ban on high capacity magazines. he is going to do everything he can as president to make this country safer. >> switching gears a few days ago the president unveiled his budget and said he would meet with speaker mccarthy tomorrow my two questions to you, have you heard from the speaker

secondly, what is your level of concern about the looming debt ceiling fight? >> everybody understands that it would be the absolute height of irresponsibility for the united states to renege on the commitments it has made in the past this is not about what we might do in the future this is about the full faith and credit of the united states of america. we have never, ever, ever compromised on that. if we where to do so, it could be catastrophic. we need to do what we have done every time in the past, which is to meet our obligations by raising the debt ceiling 25% of the debt we're talking about was incurred during the prior administration we have historically raised the debt ceiling on a bipartisan basis. that's what should happen now.

it's absolutely critical. >> speaking of critical, you have played a critical role not only in america's domestic policy debates over the past few years, but also in u.s. foreign policy you were, of course, ambassador to the united nations, and you served as national security advisor. i feel like it's okay to ask you this question. we've been very concerned this morning about a guy who's considered a favorite for the nomination of the republican party, ron desantis, who parroted vladimir putin's and the kremlin's talking points yesterday talking about russia's invasion of ukraine being a, quote, border dispute. would you mind just talking about how dangerous a signal that sends not only to vladimir

putin but also to our allies across europe and the world? >> joe, you're making me feel old by taking me through my resume, but i am really here to talk about domestic policy despite my long history in national security. let me just say very briefly that america needs leadership who understands what is at stake in our world when russia blatantly invades and occupies a neighboring sovereign country and conducts a completely unnecessary war with extraordinary brutality that threatens the integrity of the international system, nato and all of the principles of how we operate on the world tstage, we have to stand strong and be united and see it for the threat that it is to the entire international system and to our national security.

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joe. i'm kind of expecting john dutton to step out of this picture any time nowand tell the camera man, get off my land. that is a gorgeous shot. obviously tj not in the control room today. >> i am. >> do you watch "yellowstone" tj >> no, i do not, unfortunately. >> you should start watching it. do you watch "1923"? >> no. sorry. >> god you're not an east coast elitist. you live in like nebraska, right? why don't you start watching "yellowstone"? >> it's on my list >> former president trump suggested that former vice

president mike pence was responsible for the rioters' actions on january 6th "washington post" reports that trump, while on a plane heading to iowa, said, quote, had pence sent the vote back to the legislatures, they wouldn't have had a problem with january 6th so in many ways you can blame him for january 6th. whatever let's bring in jonathan cha. the left wing case for downplaying authoritarianism is not convincing i love your columns. i read your columns. i usually agree with most of your columns >> there's a but coming. >> there is. at the same time, jonathan, i

find myself in a strange position where i'm usuallythe one that tells people around here not to catastrophize that the world is not coming to an end, but you actually in your article told me through reading the article don't catastrophize, this guy's not a fascist why? >> i'm just trying to use the term the way i think most people use it i think the way most people understand the term fascist is a system where you can't oppose the ruling party without being arrested or killed if there's active elections, active opposition, it may be an authoritarian style system you may have something like

orban's hung ehungary. i don't think think as dangerous as trump and desantis are, they're not fascists as dangerous as they are, that's where i place them. >> and, again, just because we don't know how desantis would run things as president of the united states, we do know how donald trump would run things. this is a line i want to drill down on. you say neither trump nor desantis is trying to build a system like this i would argue that's exactly what donald trump is trying to build. not to personalize it, but it's a pretty good example. he didn't like how i was covering covid, so he started talking about how i was a murderer and saying i needed to be sent to jail for capital

murder he told his attorney general two weeks before the election, pressured him to arrest his political opponent, who was ahead of him in the polls and arrest his family. we could go on and on i guess my argument is -- and forgive me, i don't want to sound condescending here. >> let me have it. >> i think you show a lack of imagination here i'm very serious i think this is exactly what donald trump would do if he had a chance he is trying to build this type of system. it was madisonian democracy and judges that stopped him from doing this. >> so i don't think we really disagree about trump i think where we disagree is in the massive amount of space between what existed before

trump came along and a fascist country. you can go very far down the road towards authoritarianism and still be stopping well short of fascism, a system that you could describe as totalitarian there's absolutely no room for any kind of political or cultural thought that exists apart from the ideology of the ruling party that's very, very extreme. that's stalin's soviet union that's hitler's germany. i don't think that's where trump has in mind. i think he has something more like an orban estate or something cleoser to putin's russia, which i don't think qualifies as fascist, though it's getting pretty close.

i don't think we really disagree about trump. >> let me ask you then, if the republican party is getting fasci-er, do you see anyway that trend is reversed? right now trump is still the dominant figure in the party we can talk about how others have begun to emulate him. how does it stop and go back the other way? >> that's a great question i wish i had a good answer for you. it does seem like there was a solid step in the midterm elections where you had some of the republican candidates most associated with trump's most authoritarian ideas like mastriano in pennsylvania and lake in arizona. they lost and i think some of the other republicans who had been inclined to support them said, now, wait a second, this is costing us at the polls we're not going to be able to

f gain power if we put these people up for offense. i think if you can inflict a few more defeats like this on a party and punish these authoritarian moves, i think you can make the rest of the party feel like there's a heavy cost to going down this road. >> we always add this caveat when we're talking about the republican party i want to add it here as well. mitch mcconnell, a guy that obviously a lot of progressives have no use for, but progressives i've spoken to said the only reason they get back on the floor on january 6th is because mitch mcconnell basically said we're going to let the rioters get away with this over my dead body we're going to finish this on january 6th and pushed everybody to the floor we could all pick things mcconnell didn't do, but he's an example of a guy that's continually maintained that trump lost, january 6th.

john kennedy even the other day, very critical of sort of a whitewashing of january 6th, lindsey graham, john thune, mitt romney, mike pence i just want to add that caveat in there and ask you, is there any hope of more republicans moving in that direction or is this just afait accompli that donald trump and others like them have won the day in the party? >> you know, i think there is always hope. i think you're right about mcconnell. i don't love mitch mcconnell, but i think he was very compliant with donald trump during the trump presidency. and then he got angry over january 6th and i think he backed off and talked himself out of impeaching trump, which he was ready to do for a while i think during the biden administration he's taken a few more steps toward sanity and trying to maintain trust in the system he's supported a lot of

bipartisan legislation that's helped biden rebuild the case for government and democracy and he stood up pretty forcefully against mccarthy and tucker carlson when they pulled their little stunt with the january 6th footage. i wouldn't praise the guy exactly but he's taken some encouraging steps. sure, it's always possible for the most responsible figures to take more steps toward responsibility. >> great discussion. coming up, a look behind the curtain of a widely celebrated broadway drama "morning joe" will be right back ♪ ♪ get directv with a two year price guarantee.

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. assimilation doesn't mean to stop being a jew assimilation means to carry on being a jew without insult >> they used to hate us for killing christ now they hate us for being jews. ♪ >> my son gave his life for austria and he was proud to do it

♪ >> what have i done wrong? >> nothing you're an accident of history. ♪ >> my great grandfather was a peddler. they strove to lift my high! >> do you remember me? >> the daily beast calls it a play that demands to be seen set in vienna, it is a deeply personal drama of love following the moving history of one european jewish family that endured the holocaust. joining us now, the playwright tom stoppard and josh molina, who stars in the play with his debut performance tonight. don't seem nervous at all. we're glad you guys are here tom, let's talk about this story. i know it's a deeply personal one for you.

>> it is about a jewish family between 1889 and 1955 and t they're viennaese. after the war vienna became a sovereign state again. all my grandparents were born in the hungarian empire which came to an end after the first world war. it's not about my family i've taken a sidestep. but at the end of the play there's a scene in which i'm represented in a very precise way, came to england at the age of 8, as i did and he speaks for me for a few minutes minutes, and because of that, you know, it is permissible to say it is deeply personal. it is also made up >> deeply personal

emotional. joshua, what drew you to this? and how did you prepare for the role >> well, i'm a huge fan of this man's work because my dad -- because my dad, i got to see -- i went to the opening night in 1984 of the real thing, play that tom wrote, and as an 18-year-old i was blown away by the writing. i don't know i would believe had i been told -- i probably would have believed 40 years later i would appear in a play with this man. i was delighted. i read i was very moved by it. it is a tremendous piece of work, brilliant writing, the cast is top notch. everything is a dream come true job for me. >> tom, the play has been described as an angry, bitter, also clearly personal and you haven't often written about your own life in your plays before.

if this is toward the end of your writing career and we all hope that it is not, that there are many more plays we can all go and see, will this be what you leave us with, a play "leopoldstadt" >> by virtue of the subject matter, it is not an entirely happy play, but it is full of fun as well as being angry or bitter i think that it is like a -- it is -- it takes its characterizations from being family members it is like a family. sometimes it is making jokes sometimes it is crying and sometimes it is terrifying i would like to write another play and it won't be like this one, whatever else this is a play with nearly 30 characters, actors

it is a fiasco business model, which fortunately is survived its circumstances and is doing so well. but i would like to write a two-man play or three-woman play, something like that. >> there was -- joe scarborough here, there was such a compelling exchange as we were bumping in where someone asked what have i done wrong and the answer was nothing you're an accident of history. talk about -- talk about that and what that line means to you, especially in relation to the chain of events that ultimately led to the holocaust and the death of 6 million jews. >> well, you know, i have a tiny, tiny story, but like

everybody else i have been an accident of history. i was picked up out of the way of hitler, and taken to the safety of singapore in time for pearl harbor, and i was picked up out of the way of the japanese invasion, brought to india, my czech father was killed in the war, finally get away from singapore, the war ended, my mother married a british army officer, i was given his name, i was speaking english and the person who's being told in my play that he's an accident of history, is the very person speaking about, my stand-in, in the play. and i'm not making great claims for my accident of history story, but it is pretty typical of thousands and thousands of

people >> well, and, what is so compelling to me is that mika's par parents both, mrs. brzezinski, her family escapeded czechoslovakia dr. brzezinski escaped poland, z again, accidents of history. but there san entire generation of people who did the same and talk about, again, taking that grand sweep of history and narrowing it down to one family and how that helps people grasp the complexities of just an extraordinarily tragic at times century. >> well, we meet the characters as the play progresses and what the play does is

finally has all of them pretty much on the stage. you can count them and you are reminded of all the decades you pass through and all the people you met, and then you have been told which of them died and where many of them, you know, died in auschwitz, they died in dacchau, they died in other camps, they died on the transport. and the play, i hope, in the kind of way which is tacit and built into its structure and its pictures, the play is saying this is a fragment of this enormous event, which not only murdered millions of people, but left millions on top of that bereft and wounded >> and, joshua, we also are

dealing now with a rise in anti-semitic forces around the globe. and the sobering and disturbing instance that so many people don't know what the holocaust was. >> that's true and appalling and the time will come soon when we lost our last survivor when i'm rehearsing the play, i have yet to begin performances, it is easy for the audience that nose a knows a little history and ahead of the characters in this play to judge them for feeling complacent or feeling comfortable where they are in society, vienna, in 1899, and i think it is easy maybe also to realize as you watch the play that you're sitting in the theater, having good fortune to see a play, maybe your own complacency is something to be questioned as well, because anti-semitism and other forms of senseless hatred are still with us. >> and the play is "leop "leopoldstadt" in new york city. tom and josh, thank you very much for being here. josh, good luck with your debut. >> thank you >> this evening.

joe? >> all right thank you so much. a journey from 1899 to 1955 in two remarkable hours that does it for us this morning. lindsey reiser picks up the coverage after a quick break life... doesn't stop for diabetes. be ready for every moment, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna.

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coast. 7:00 a.m. on the west coast. i'm lindsey reiser there is a ton to get to on this busy tuesday right now, lingering panic as the fallout grows from the collapse of silicon valley bank. and we're getting a critical look at the state of the economy in the wake of that historic meltdown just this morning, the bureau of labor statistics releasing the f february inflation numbers the consumer price index rose 0.4% last month. those numbers cooling off, but still stubbornly high. now the action bes lawmakers are eyeing to prevent a future crisis and why many are desperately trying to avoid using the b word, bailout. and an extreme weather split screen a pair of brutal storms bear down on both sides of the country, dumping snow in the northeast and even more torrential rain in the west. 20 million people from west virginia to maine facing heavy wet snow, the kind of snow that brings down trees and power lines. tens of thousands alread