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>> i think if we had a policy which was firm, which armed ukraine with defensive and offensive weapons so they could defend themselves i think putin would make different calculations so i think oballa's policy of weakness is actually making a larger conflict more likely >> that was less than eight years ago, but now, desantis wants to appease putin, calling the brutal invasion of ukraine nothing more than a territorial dispute. the latest sign the party of desantis, trump, and tucker is seriously out of touch with the views of most americans. also tonight, how the failure of silicon valley bank is exposing the myths of regulation and the hypocrisy of libertarians who seem real pro government when it comes to federal assistance for them. and donald trump rolls out the melania defense with his lawyer claiming the payment made to the porn actress whom he was allegedly cheating with were made to protect melania. not to help him get elected

president. but we begin "the reidout" tonight with happy pi day to you all. to those not in the no, it's the celebration of a mathematical constance. it's also national equal pay day, and women are still making less than men. speaking of men who have an overinflated sense of self, florida governor ron desantis has finally shared with the world or the roughly 3 million americans who watch tucker carlson what his policy position is on russia's invasion of ukraine. you see, tucker, who just happens to be the favorite american anchor of russian propagandists asked a number of potential 2024 presidential contenders for their thoughts on the invasion and what they would do if they were president. among tucker's questions, should the united states support regime change in russia which isn't what the united states is actually doing, but tucker never lets the truth get in the way desantis responded by saying the

u.s. has many vital national interests, becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between ukraine and russia is not one of them. he also warned that escalated u.s. involvement in the russia/ukraine war would risk explicitly drawing the united states into the conflict, which actually isn't true. it's also interesting because back when ron desantis was a mostly unremarkable tea party house republican from florida, he called on president obama to get more aggressive against putin. it's not surprising that he has changed his tune he has larger ambitions now. and he's shown to be particularly adept at bogarting trump and tucker's talking points with his own uncharismatic panache. and here's the thing about those three men, desantis, trump, and tucker when they see an opportunity to capitalize on whatever will trigger the right-wing id, they'll take it. meanwhile, the people you might call the old school republicans like mike pence, crist christy, and even south carolina senator tim scott all responded to

tucker's questionnaire calling for a more robust defense of ukraine. senator mitch mcconnell, who really hates being called moscow mitch, because he blocked two measures aimed at preventing foreign interference in u.s. has been steadfast in the support of ukraine. he told his party to wake up to the threat of russia today, he got support from senator and trump caddie lindsey graham who pointed out russia's invasion of ukraine was a big deal and noted that the last time someone in europe claimed the land of others and tried to take it by force of arms was adolf hitler's attempt to build a third reich. he also pointed out that russia's claim to taiwan is also based on the proposition of a territorial dispute. it's just so hard to keep track of lindsey's beliefs, sorry. also as if they need a reminder of what kind of actor russia really is, earlier today, russian jets harassed and then collided with a u.s. drone over the black sea.

while senators mcconnell and graham are fighting the good fight for ukraine, the rest of their party has moved on and they didn't do much to stop donald trump, who wants to leave the nato alliance still, if he's elected president again. look at house speaker kevin mccarthy he's declined an invitation to visit ukraine because folks like marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz don't care for it. they have more sway over the principals of the republican party than lindsey graham or mitch mcconnell or even right wing icons like ronald reagan and they're letting the base's freak flag fly they're peddling hate tv on fox, the rest of the country has very different priorities take for example abortion. republican lawmakers in south carolina are considering a change to the state's criminal code that would make a person who gets an abortion eligible for the death penalty. of course, the vast majority of americans don't agree with the republican party on that on guns, republicans want to strip away protections that

would make gun ownership safer when president biden said this about gun legislation during an event announcing a new executive order to increase background checks, the majority of americans agreed >> let's finish the job. ban assault weapons, ban them again, do it now enough do something do something big >> and look at the push to censor books again, the majority of americans support the opposite woke is a great word that triggers the maga mob, but it isn't what keeps most americans up at night. someone should probably tell governor desantis who has made turning the rest of america into florida his priority, or forcing us all to live through one long, unbearable episode of the tucker carlson show live from the white house for the next four years. joining me now is jelani cobb, dean of the columbia journalism school, and matthew dowd, political strategist and msnbc political analyst. you know, matthew, i want to go to you because for a time, you

were a republican. you know, i'm old enough to remember that republicans had a pretty hard line against russia at one point they were the hawkish party, they were the party that said we have to take a firm stand against things like the axis of evil when it came to places like iraq and north korea trump obviously changed that he aligned the party with north korea. he was friendly with kim jong-un. he's aligned the party with trump, and you have seen this change in ron desantis, who was going after president obama for not being tough enough on putin when it came to territorial ambitions but then he changed. he ran for president, and he got money from the same people who were giving trump money. ron desantis had to return a political contribution that he received from two soviet born businessmen who were accused of funneling foreign cash into u.s. elections to increase their

influence. we know there was a guy named jesse bentant, he got 18 months in prison for funneling russian money into republican campaigns. russians were all involved with the nra. it looks like ron desantis has decided to join their club your thoughts. >> you're exactly right. it's not long ago republicans celebrated ronald reagan standing up to the soviet union, and they constantly claimed by him being hard on the soviet union, allowed or forced the soviet union to collapse that they have gone off the deep end, i was thinking about your introduction about pi day and the reason this day was chosen, 3.44, but it's also einstein's birthday as i watch desantis and other republicans who want to replace donald trump and get past donald trump, i'll paraphrase einstein. einstein would have said, you can't solve the problem of donald trump by using the same thinking that created donald trump. right? and what they're doing is they

want to solve the problem of donald trump in their party by being like donald trump in their party. which to me is an amazing lack of strategy in this, but what it really demonstrates, and this is why i think as you have done in show after show, lift up the proponents of democracy, because what we have today is a republican party who sides now more with autocracies than they do with democracy. especially domestically in our country, in this place, and the more we can lift up those sort of people who are defending democracy, and as you laid out in so many different issues today, we have lots of reforms we need to do in this country. lots of reforms. not to make it less democratic but to actually make it democratic because we have a democracy today that in many ways doesn't cede to the will of the voters that's why i think to me the more we can push back obviously against people like desantis and autocracy, but also

simultaneously point out that yeah, we do need -- there is a problem in this country. not the problem that republicans like to say, but the problem is that the will of the people are not getting heard. >> yeah, and this is a journalistic challenge i'm so glad you're here today with us, gilani, because i hear in this business people talking about desantis in this very dry way that says he's different from trump, he is a turn from trump. and that republican voters want trump policies without the trump drama. they never specify which policies they mean because trump's policies were a massive tax cut for the rich, but other than that, attacking lgbtq people, saying they shouldn't serve in the military, attacking muslims, it was racism you know, the policies that seem to get the right going were policies that were hate-based policies that's what seemed to make the right happy because he hated the right people, quote/unquote. when it comes to desantis, this

is his policy. i don't know -- i haven't heard anything about dealing with the insurance crisis or his views on russia and ukraine seem to be just like trump's. his ideas are to go after trans people, go after drag shows, stop the teaching of african american history with any truth in it, promote this sort of western essentialism in education. promoting now they're going to have a six-week ban on abortion. you know, the policies seem awfully fascist. just like trump. he's just a meaner littler version. i don't understand how journalism isn't able to wrap their mind around that >> an interesting thing, when we talk historically, we had this phenomenon called mccarthyism in this country and it was called mccarthyism because of the behavior of joseph mccarthy. but if you look actually at that timeframe, that time period, mccarthy was only guilty of

seeing where the crowd was heading and running out to the front of it. the phenomenon that we knew of as mccarthyism preceded joe mccarthy and it succeeded him, it continued after he was censured by the senate so the same thing is the case with trump and trumpism. that the dynamics that we have placed his name on existed prior to his assent. prior to him coming down that escalator in 2015. and he has put an imprnint on those things or a branding which is what his talent really was. but the dynamics that created it, that allowed him to have that much success, continue. and the best example of that is when we look at the policies and positions that ron desantis has taken up and the way they appear to be so very trump-like, he is responding to the same sort of pressure created by a right-wing media system in which any person

who deviates from the standard orthodoxy can face a challenge, a primary challenge. you talk with political scientists, they'll tell you the primary system here is one of the reasons why the party has moved so far in the authoritarian direction. people have leveraged it in that way. what we haven't done as journalists is outline the connections between these things, to understand how we are seeing really kind of marginal and extreme viewpoints being mainlined into american politics via this particular mechanism. that's why these things appear the way they appear right now. >> the thing is, matthew, that's absolutely right, because the things we're seeing are anti-majoritarian. normally in politics the idea is to get more people to support and vote for you if you go through the way these things poll, opposing efforts to ban books, 76% of americans oppose that. abortion should be legal, 64%, that's two-thirds, saying transgender people should be

protected from discrimination. two-thirds of americans believe that on gun laws, they should be more strict 60% nearly, 58%. they have definitely managed to harm trans people in terms of getting care, but it's still 47%, which is a decent plurality. and yet, so to me, ron desantis is not so much a governor. he's just the tucker carlson show that lives in the governor's mansion he's doing the tucker carlson show every day, not governing. and that seems to be his belief, that that's how you become president. just do tucker's show. be tucker. >> well, the problem, he's tucker carlson's show with actual power, which he can do by executive order or he can convince his republican legislature, which doesn't seem to have any guardrails on him. my firm belief is that ron desantis is far more dangerous than donald trump, far more dangerous than donald trump. he's smarter, which is not a

huge hurdle. he's smarter than donald trump he's far more strategic, and he far less responds to being shamed, to being like, okay, that's not popular donald trump at times would pull back and say, well, that's not what i meant ron desantis won't do any of that i want to take up something, gilani, i hope i pronounced your name right take up something he said, which is this, i have faulted the concentration on donald trump the person by both folks of us, all of us who think he's been a danger and destructive to our democracy as well as the sort of never trumpers singularly using him, neglected to solve the real problem. and the real problem, it's like a field that has poison in it, right? there's poison in this field and soil, and this corn stalk pops up and everybody yells don't eat the corn stalk, it's poison. we never dealt with the field. the field of poison, and the american soil of our democracy

is tainted and poisoned and has been for a long period of time and by concentrating solely on donald trump, we think we'll cut down the stalk and everything will be fine we neglected to lay out the path forward of how do we really have a representative majoritarian multicultural democracy, because if we don't deal with that, the donald trumps and ron desantiss and matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greenes will continue to grow out of the soil that is still poison >> because the corn stalk is fascism, and i wish we had more time because it's the other word, just like racism used to be, that the media will not say. and you know, "the new york times" had this real challenge in the 1930s that they watched what happened in germany happen, and tried to remark on it as if it was normal politics it's not fascism is not normal politics but it's here, y'all, and it's growing. just because it ain't trump performing it and the guy's name is desantis and he's like four

inches shorter, six inches shorter, it's still fascism. jelani cobb and matthew dowd, thank you. isn't it weird hour silicon valley libertarians wanted the government to stay out of people's lives right until they need aed bailout "the reidout" continues after this 7 gasp! what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? ♪marching band music♪ ♪marching band music♪ i'll get a cart. get two! scotts daylawn saving is the biggest deal of the year. stock up early and save up to $20 dollars on the best scotts products. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ hey, man. nice pace! clearly, you're a safe driver. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual.

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commission have opened investigations into last week's collapse of silicon valley bank. it comes as the treasury department is using emergency measures to give all depositors access to their full funds at no cost to the taxpayer though the biden administration maintains it is not a bailout. what should not be lost among the news of this collapse is the speed at which these tech start-ups and venture capitalists, the quintessential free market libertarians who invested in svb, went from being fervently against government handouts to basically begging for one. it was almost immediate, as nathan robinson puts it, every libertarian becomes a socialist the moment the free market screws them. writing, billionaire mark cuban swiftly went from denouncing regulators to asking, where were the regulators tech industry leaders immediately started calling for the fdic to ditch its $250,000 cap on guaranteed deposits david sac said it was unfair for depositors to be punished for

opening a bank account at an institution that failed, and larry summers, notorious for his free market attitude, who has previously had harsh words for those advocating debt relief for student loan borrowers said when it comes to silicon valley bank, the government should step in, and that, quote, this is not the time for moral hazard lectures or for lesson administering for alarm about the political consequences of bailouts funny how quickly they switch it up when they're the ones on the losing end of wondrous capitalism let's be clear this collapse is not about the bank being woke or too focused on diversity, as some on the right are pretending to believe so they can keep entertained, it's inveers in the free market making a bad bet if you want to gamble, you have to accept the risks. now here they are waiting to be rescued by the evil federal government help me, help me, biden, help me joining me now is david girr,

business correspondent for npr its arer been too long, my former veteran of weekend shift. let's talk about this because let me read you this the atlantic wrote this piece, and that's is about silicon valley losing in luster. they say sam altman proposed to inveers just start sending out money, no questions asked. today is a good day to offer emergency cash to start-ups. just send money. here was the head of the industry's hottest company rumored to have a $29 billion valuation soberly proposing handouts as a way to prevent further contagion. silicon valley overlords were so certainly of their independence that they rallied behind a proposal to secede from the continental united states. is the message now that we're all in it together what happened to these liber libertarians >> the attitude has changed.

this is a breed of executive who made a lot of money and there's, as you know, as a student of history, there's a long history in this country of people who become rich, they earn a lot of money or acquire a lot of money and think that imbues them with the authority of public policy you mentioned david sacks, bill ackman also weighing in on this over the weekend, calling for bailouts one thing we're tracking now as we do this postmortem is how this bank run was catalyzed and egged on by a number of new investors who had this social media media and were encouraging their contemporaries, these other wealthy vcs, other billionaires and millionaires to withdraw their money from this bank and encourage the companies with whom they worked with to withdraw their money as well i have a lot of friends in california i love the state it is in many ways a dysfunctionally governed and managed state. that's kind of what this is

highlighting you have people who have opinions on how public policy and governance should work in the state and we're seeing that come to bear in the collapse of silicon valley bank. >> it's easy to feel sorry for the depositors and the fdic is going to cover them and for the small businesses that went to the bank, but there's so many ironies here these kind of banks, they rarely capitalize minority and women owned businesses they're competentalizing a lot of businesses that look like them so there's no wokeness involved in this kind of capitalism they're trying to make money you have that issue. then you have this just real moral hazard talk when it comes to giving people whoborrowed for student loans a break. and you have the supreme court potentially poised to overthrough that because they don't like the policy, but when it comes to the vcs, the big bankers, the peter thiel types, you don't hear any moral hazard talk it's all, yes, give them money make it make sense >> the irony of that is just

glaring. as you have laid out there this is something that i think is flummoxing so many people as they look at this and this argument about the bank being woke is a preposterous one, as if a bank shouldn't have a diverse board of directors and shouldn't lend money for companies working on environmental issues and climate issues the backe i have been looking at is signature bank, the bank closed down over the weekend throughout its history had an extremely close relationship with the trump organization. lent money to donald trump, ivanka trump was a member of its board of directors when she was just 29 years old. michael cohen was a customer, charles kushner as well. it is an incredibly hollow argument, and once again, the fuzziness and squishiness of this term of wokeness is applied in such an absurd way. >> because it doesn't mean anything it only means something to black folk in the 1940s when they started saying it. it just means black. when they say it, that's what they mean. anyway, it's always good to see you, david

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he made this with personal funds to prevent something coming out false but embarrassing to himself, his family, his young son. that's not a campaign finance violation. not by any stretch >> with signs pointing to manhattan district attorney alvin bragg brings charges against donald trump over the stormy daniels hush money payments it appears trump and his lawyers are throwing a hail mary pass for their defense or perhaps more specifically, a hail melania, claiming it was all done to protect the sanctity of his third marriage. the hush money payments michael cohen made on trump's behalf had nothing to do with the fact the 2016 presidential election was just days away or trump was limping into the final stretch following the release of the infamous "access hollywood" tape where he claimed he could grab women by the you know where, according to that strategry, is that melania knew about the affair, and what trump was up to

around the time of his alleged affair with daniels also fails to support his supposed concerns about his marital vows the weekend of the summer of 2006 during a golf tournament in tahoe, where trump is alleged not only to have started his affair with stephanie clifford, aka, stormy daniels, he was continuing another affair with former playboy model karen mcdougal on top of that, another adult film actress, jessica drake, alleged trump grabbed her and kissed two of her friends without their permission in his hotel room and offered her $10,000 in exchange for her company, which she declined. all of this was supposedly going on while melania, with whom he had been married less than two years, was back home with their infant son baron, and of the 13 best documented allegations of unwanted physical contact that women have made against trump, stretching back to the 1980s, five of those alleged incidents, five of them, occurred during a two-year span from 2005 to 2006

that encompassed this weekend. joining me is barbara mcquade, former attorney, msnbc legal analyst and professor at the university of michigan law school, and tim o'brien, msnbc political analyst. i do want to start with you, tim, because you know this story very well. you have been a journalist reporting on trump for far too long, perhaps, in your own mind. but you know, it seems to me that trying to put it on he was worried melania would find out doesn't really wash because it seems just reading this gq article, donald trump was going after everything moving and breathing that was female at this lake tahoe golf tournament. he was trying to snatch up porn stars and playboy bunnies every time he turned around and didn't worry about melania at all >> well, here's the thing. whatever motivated him, whether he was worried about the wrath of melania or worried about

blowing up his presidential campaign, they still falsified business records his motivation around that, to a certain extent, why he falsified the business records is irrelevant if he did it. his motivation could come from anywhere i think clearly what they're trying to do is uncouple it from the campaign finance violation, so the severity of the charges get lessened but here's the thing, i don't think he was just, even if it was solely about melania, and i do think he probably was worried about melania, but i don't think he was worried about her finding out. he was worried possibly about her dissolving the marriage and coming at him with a divorce settlement he wasn't worried about emotions, about pledges he made to his life. he was worried about the financial consequences of it secondarily, assee have in the georgia case, there is a tape. michael cohen years ago produced a tape that he claims to be a

conversation, i believe they were having about the karen mcdougal cover-up, a second cover-up of yet another affair in which he has trump recorded saying have allen take care of it i believe that's a reference to allen weisselberg, his cfo that tape demonstrates what i think is the core issue in all of these cases, that donald trump was an architect of malfeasance. he wasn't an innocent bystander. he was directing the people around him to do what he wanted them to do in some cases to break the law. i think here it certainly appears he did >> let me play this, i believe this is the tape you're talking about. ari melber, my friend and colleague, interviewed joe tacopina, and this is the tape, the question of tacopina that i think includes that tape >> this is a trump/cohen recording where you have trump in the room, informed about the nature of some of these payments let's listen to this audio

recording. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend, david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing which will be -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay - >> oh, no, no. >> when donald trump is talking to mr. cohen, as you say at the time his lawyer and is engaged and saying yes, pay with cash, that doesn't sound like -- >> you mean instead of financing the payment over months and years. write a check. >> okay, that doesn't southbound like someone who has a lawyer who has gone rogue it sound like someone using this lawyer to send the money to daniels and the problem potentially for your client in new york is whether this was misclassified, aka, illegally written down as something it wasn't, as a payment for legal services >> what would be illegal about it barbara, your thoughts >> well, what makes it illegal is if they are saying it's for

one purpose when in fact it's for another purpose. that's the falsification of business records it appears the theory in this case that they made it look as if these payments to michael cohen were for the purpose of legal fees in fact, they paid him out over a series of months to make it look like it was legal fees when in fact they were concealing this payment made to stormy daniels. michael cohen himself fronted the money and was repaid by trump in these monthly payments as fees. so that on its face i think is a crime. you know, it's a defense attorney's trick, i think, to take one little piece of evidence like a recording and say, that doesn't prove anything that's out of context. and what a prosecutor will do is piece together a lot of different elements so this recording, along with witness testimony, and documents to paint a picture about what was really going on here and if they're prepared to indict him, i think that means alvin bragg's prosecutors believe they can prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt. >> and they have michael cohen,

and they might have weisselberg. there is this other piece, rollen stone pointed it out, that donald trump has said the whole time he didn't have this affair with stormy daniels so in his defense, he says i gave her a lot of money to cover up something that didn't happen. they were talking about mr. david pecker in that previous tape, so i think they were talking about mrs. mcdougle there's so many women to keep track of, you barely can keep track of it, but the point is he has a pattern of saying i'm going to by your life rights for six figures so you don't talk, and then you don't tell the truth, it doesn't matter if you thought melania would be mad, right? >> well, i mean, it's a conspiracy david pecker was, you know, a newspaper publisher with the national enquirer. i don't know what they call it, the national enquirer. and trump was using the national

enquirer to enhance his own reputation he was using it to kill stories. they had arranged a publishing relationship with mcdougle to keep her quiet all of these individuals, i presume, have now testified at length to alvin bragg's prosecutors. and trump and his lawyers don't know what they have said and i think that's one of the reasons trump doesn't want to come in voluntarily to testify and they're doing everything they can to keep this out of court. >> absolutely. well, the plot thickens. michael cohen did go in -- he's going in i believe tomorrow for yet another turn before this grand jury so the plot continues to thicken. barbara mckwan and tim o'brien, thank you very much. up next, a courtroom showdown is coming between ron desantis and the twice elected state attorney that he fired for overtly partisan political reasons. former florida state attorney andrew warren joins me next. stay with us

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criminalized at 15 weeks and soon to be at 6. here's how desantis frames warren's removal at the time >> when you flagrantly violate your oath of office, when you make yourself above the law, you have violated your duty, so today, we are suspending state attorney andrew warren effective immediately. >> it's -- as it turns out, warren's ouster had nothing to do with public safety at all it was completely politicized as well as calculated and planned "the new york times" reported desantis ordered his staff to find him left leaning prosecutors who weren't enforcing the law. it was perhaps kwens dentally a right wing meme at the time when republicans accusing george soros of putting up progressive prosecutors who would do awful things like proposal alternatives to incarceration

for nonviolent crime the age of soros also happens to be a common anti-semitic theme unfortunately for desantis, andrew warren sued and the discovery in the lawsuit has revealed some very interesting things "the new york times" reports that according to their own testimony in that lawsuit, desantis and his advisers admitted they failed to find any connection between warren's policies and public safety, though those details don't seem to matter in florida they also worked with friendly media outlets like fox to insure that the takeover of the hillsborough state attorney's office received positive coverage and it worked. because the same day that warren was removed, tucker, who we now know knowingly lies to his audience, praised desantis as a hero >> today, governor ron desantis of florida, a man unlike george soros has been elected by american voters, decided to sack a soros elected prosecutor in his state. that man's name is andrew

warren for six years, warren has refused to enforce laws that george soros doesn't like. ron desantis is the man who put an end to it today in the state of florida >> joining me now is andrew warren, the former hillsborough county state attorney who is suing desantis for reinstatement. thank you for being here i want to start on that last point. because it does seem that your ouster was a preordained at least per "the new york times" reporting, they were looking for someone to fire so they could publicly make hay of it, even though desantis got upset with his then spokesperson for admitting that on twitter. is that how you understand what happened to you? >> it's exactly how i understand it, joy. from the beginning we have said this was a political stunt and what came out during trial and what "the new york times" was able to expose by doing their deep dive was that this was never about the job that i did. if they were looking for evidence that i had done something wrong, they had nothing.

but nothing was enough for them. that's how it's working in the state of florida this was never about public safety this was always about publicity, always a political stunt, it was always intended just to fire up their base and now that the facts have come out, now that a court of law has said that the suspension was illegal, it's a totally different ball game. because now it's a question, the governor stood up in the clip you showed and said mr. warren needs to follow the law. now the governor desantis has been the one to be found in violation of both federal and state law. but yet he's refusing to do anything about it. >> and the judge in the case was pretty scathing in saying just what you just said, this was clearly a political firing "the new york times" reports that they didn't even call

>> what is the saddest fear appeal right now >> the status of the cases, we are appealing that very narrow -- about whether the judge ha dirt a jurisdiction. make no mistake, with the judg found was crystal clear. after a trial on the merits, the judge found i had done nothing. wrong the allegations agains me were totally false. and at the governor violated the u.s. constitution and th florida constitution, by suspending me for politica reasons. so we are appealing that issue whether a federal court has -- jurisdiction to reinstate me we always -- we also went to the state cour in florida because they obviously hav jurisdiction - to force the governor -- he clearly has no plan o doing. so >> this is the tweet that - shop posted. prepare for the liberal medi meltdown of the year major announcement tomorro from around desantis apparently that was the on time that she ever got reprimanded from her

and that they wanted the decision to look like it had nothing to do with the media i assume you would call her if this goes to federal trial right? as a witness [laughter] >> she was deposed in the tria before she did not end up testifying. but her boss did the communication director joy, you hit the nail on the head right? they wanted it to look like it was not politically motivated. they wanted it to look lik there was a basis fo suspending me. they want to make it look like -- they even had tucker carlson talking about, for six, year he hadn't enforce the law. as a jets, said they could not identify a single example. not one of where i did not follow the law by contrast, the judge found example -- what is he doing about it nothing the governor went, well, i can do - i can get away with. but he's going to try to we're not going to let him this is much more importan than just my job it is about free speech and ou

democracy. and of course, the roles >> what do you make of the fac that this came from th governor came from his subordinates asking a question -- are there any progressiv judges that are not followin the law. and that that came from right-wing name about george soros, who has been such - subjected to the horrifi antisemitic attacks. but it seems that is where h got this idea. >> it just shows that he i doing this for publicity because george thoroughfares you know, he's the bogeyman fo everything desantis, the other, day was talking about the silico valley bank. and how it collapsed he's playing on dei. not all of the macroeconomic factors experts look at. i was expecting him to blame i on george soros, maybe he will meet next week george soros is the cause of everything no connection with my office obviously, no evidence i'v done anything wrong. but that is the talking poin that fuels these crazy conspiracy theories on right-wing media, that we have to call out for what they are.

completely false >> lastly, the idea that you were punished first speech to me, that sounds like a bi first amendment problem. are you concerned that's wha florida is now if you speak and he does not like what you saw -- what he -- you say, he will punish yo with his power >> that's exactly what the governor showing he will do. and he's gone after, disne teachers, lgbtq -- prosecutors. the state of florida is only free if you agree with what th governor agrees with that is not freedom. that is not democracy. that is not america. >> andrew warren, thank you. we will keep an eye on you case much appreciated and best of luck to you. coming, up my starts on th passing of former colorado congresswoman, pat schroeder, fearless pioneer in the ongoin fighfot r women's rights we'll be right back. ike... just stop. go for a run. go for ten runs. run a marathon. instead, start small with nicorette, which will lead to something big.

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women's rights and the first woman from colorado to b elected to congress has died a the age of 82. the feminist force help passed the pregnancy discrimination act, as well as the family and medical leave act of 1993, which guarantees people up t 12 weeks of unpaid leave t care for a family member she also face sill controversies like, how she ma or not have worn a buddy sui for nbc cates on an eastern -- easter trip to china schroeder a maned unbothered >> i do have a wonderful bunny suit and i will wear it for children are you kidding? >> as president? >> sure. for crying out loud, if th worsening the president of the united states every did was pu on a bunny rabbit suit o easter for children, we'd be a

lot -- better i'm much worried abou the guys who put on three-piece seat and trade missiles with iran >> say all of that there were only 14 women in th house when schroeder arrived i washington the washington post noting tha several of those members wer widows, filling out the term of their deceased husbands schroeder described institutio as an over age frat house. her wit did not end there. when facing questions about ho one could function as both a mother and a lawyer, and a lawmaker, she, said i have a brain and a uterus and i use both the congresswoman is widel known for 1987 announced tha she would not run fo president. such hope for women candidates as we well know, persisted a as do hopes for bodily autonomy here she is speaking on th capitol steps in washington in 1977, at a rally against a ban on the use of federal funds fo abortions. shorter help to blaze that trail. and we are still fighting th same battles so it's during this women' history month in the day beyond that we are - we all patrushev for her enduring