facts here, the ultimate stories are somewhat - and it seems much more likel that the story is actually the truth. >> the other stories that ou of nowhere, a guy that has bee famously cheap decides to writ enormous checks in the stretch campaign of a campaign that he has already endangered because of revelations about the way that he is treated women and talked about women in the past that's the story in the checks corroborated, basically th case rebecca, always good to have you on thank you very much. >> nice to see you >> that is all in on thi tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex thank you very much. >> great to see you. >> that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. >> you don't think trump just wanted to protect his wife who he loves so much in.

>> it's such an impossible question to answer what do you say to the lawyer, hush money happens all the time. there's hundreds of them >> thank you, my friend, as always and thanks for joining us this hour the battle to be the standard bearer for the american far right has officially begun >> ron desanctus, everybody ever heard of him. >> he was bad against ethanol and he also fought against social security. he wanted to decimate it he wanted the minimum retirement age to be lifted to people 70 years old. he also voted to severely cut medicare i will not be cutting medicare and i'll not be cutting social security ron was a disciple of paul ryan, who was a rino loser who currently is destroying fox and constantly vote against

entitlements ron reminds me a lot of mitt rumny. >> reminds me a lot of mitt romney which is the most epic burn you can levy in today's gop. he of course is not stopping there. trump had some unique things to say about his potential rival and vice president mike pence. quote, had mike pence cept the votes back to the legislatures they wouldn't have had a problem with january 6th so in many ways you can blame fhim for january 6th. which is wow, blame mike pence for january 6th. i did not know trump had it in him, but okay. there happens to be something bigger going on underneath the surface. trump has been saying all of this at the same time that he's been attempting to position

himself as a leader in the republican culture wars. if elected trump said he would end-all federal funding to schools that taught critical race theories, schools that allowed transgender students to play on sports teams that match their gender identity. trump also said he would not give one penny to schools that require vaccinations for covid-19, the development of which his administration fast tracked anyway so there's that. it's not as if attacking trans-youth or race is a new theme for trump. what is new here is trump's focus on all this. he wasn't campaigning on anti-crt back bans until ron desantis emerged as a political rival. what we have now is donald trump trying to outdesantis desantis

and in the process move his own policy positions even further to the right. at the same time ron desantis is on his own mission to out-trump donald trump and it's having a similar effect let me show you what i mean. this is ron desantis back when he was a member of congress talking about the issue of russian aggression in ukraine. >> when putin sees he can gain an itch he's apt to take a mile, and basically if america is not going to give him any push back, i think he's going to continue to try to expand russian influence. we had a policy that was firm that armed ukraine with defensive and offensive weapons so they could defend themselves i think putin would make different calculations i think you'd see people like putin not want to mess with us >> that was then but now in his latest attempt to out-trump trump, desantis has come out against supporting ukraine and putin's invasion

he wrote while the u.s. has many vital national interests becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between ukraine and russia is not one of them those arguments have already started to draw criticism today from republicans on capitol hill >> it's not a territorial dispute anymore in the sense that it would be a territorial dispute if the united states wanted to take over canada or the bahamas. this is an invasion. >> do you agree with him when he says defending ukraine is not in the national interest of the united states? >> i do not agree with that. >> i just think it's a misunderstanding of the situation. it's not a territorial conflict, this war with russia

i think the governor of florida has been a great governor, but in my opinion this is a chance to stop putin before it gets to be a bigger war and china is watching >> texas senator john cornyn told reporters i'm disturbed by it, i think he's a smart guy i want to find out more about it, but i hope he feels he doesn't need to take that tucker carlson line to be competitive then primary trump and desantis are now pushing each other farther and farther right and pushing the consensus among primary voters to the right as well, and it's only march of the year 2023. joining us now jonathan martin, political bureau chief and squen sake, former white house press secretary for president biden. her new show premieres this sunday on msnbc. we're very excited for that, jen, and i'll start with you

you can almost see the establishment wing of the republican party watch like its platform fly off into the air like a bu lawn that's been let go as they hear what trump and desantis are now saying specifically about major issues like i don't know foreign policy my question to you is this how the republican platform is going to be shaped and does it matter what anyone in congress actually thinks is it really desantis and trump going to determine where the goal posts lie on the field? >> congress still has the ability to pass legislation and pass funding for ukraine and things like that that's important but ron desantis and donald trump are currently the two leading contenders for the republican nomination. and they have decided -- i mean trump a long time ago decided this, that they're going to do america first, right, the trump motto from the one he ran, which means we don't want to get engaged in conflicts, don't want

to get engaged in peace making some of those clips you played, alex, were from six years ago from ron desantis. they wasn't that long ago, but it is a repositioning of the current leaders of the republican party of who they want to be, and that is a pretty rapid shift in terms of political shifts when the republican party when either john mccain or mitt romney were leading it >> i guess i wonder, jonathan, some of these positions trump and desantis are taking on culture issues, issues about education and quote-unquote parents rights, they do not poll well with a vast majority of americans and seems like there's no clear path to actually winning a general election if you stake out these positions in primary season >> let me take a the broad

question first we saw in the mid-terms last year that a lot of republicans learned all the wrong lessons from donald trump, which is to say you don't have to ever face a general election voter you can forever live in a primary bubble, and republicans learned the hard way that's not the case, alex i think on the more narrow issue of ukraine i think trump and desantis especially desantis are chasing the voters more than they are actually leading them look, i think the polling data is pretty clear on this, that as the months have gone on, more and more in the gop base have sort of grown uneasy about our continued intervention on behalf of ukrainians and someone like the governor of florida sees that and does not want to get on the wrong side of the primary voters and, yes, that's what they're focused on right now is winning that primary first, and they're not thinking about the broader

audience going to decide this election in the fall of 2024 >> i guess i wonder. you seem to be saying the genesis of this is the base, that he's responding to the base, but i also wonder if there isn't a more sort of craven political calculation here, which is ron desantis hears donald trump compare him to mitt rumny. ron desantis knows what he said as a congressman six years ago as jen points out where he was not the general and culture war he would propose to be in this day and age. how much of this do you think this is him trying to issue a preemptive salvo to the attacks going to come his way courtesy of trump >> i won't even call it a right flank because i think those phrases have all gotten muddled on what's left, what's left. you see it obviously now on his stance about ukraine you see it with the folks he surrounds himself with, some of

the hard line members of the house for his big donor retreat, social media influencers on the right, people he's cultivated in tallahassee. i think he's doing all that, alex, because, he does not want to give trump any opening to attack him on the kind of magga-style issues the question is he hurting himself with the other wing of the party? >> that's exactly the question, right? as you shore up the base, you lose the general public. >> you know, jen, david frum has a piece in the atlantic a solid analysis i believe of the desantis pseudo candidacy. and he points this out, which i think a lot of people have missed in the focus.

what is desantis' view on health care, he doesn't seem to have one. president biden has delivered cheap insulin to u.s. users, good idea or fought. he hardly speaks about inflation, homelessness, environment, nothing even on crime desantis must avoid specifics because specifics might remind his audience florida's homicide numbers are worst than new york's or california's i mean that is something the white house is probably well aware of, am i right >> salveating at the -- chomping at the bit, i love analogies there. i think that's how he got here, though, remember he ran an effective communication strategy basically on twitter and by giving a set of predetermined remarks where he was the strong man or he was pounding his chest about how much he wasn't going to abide by restrictions on covid, the vaccine's terrible, i'm returning sanity here, you know,

screw disney, all these things of him being the strong man, like very strong guy and so that's how we got here. that is not going to work. through the course of a competitive primary it shouldn't work, i don't think it will because people are going to ask him questions. certainly he will in a general election, but, you know, that strategy is probably why he's here today >> you write about the establishment sort of freaking out about a desantis capped d.c., and i wonder if your sources give you any endication about whether there are alarm bells they're ringing at least behind closed doors are having any effect on the desantis campaign proper. he's meeting with wealthy donors, he certainly cares what's being said in other corners of congress. do you think he's aware of how much he may be compromising his own -- and by the way the republican platform on whole, right? because this stuff as you point out, it is -- there's a very close relationship between trump and desantis and the republican

base and what they say shapes opinion in the party and the last thing the establishment wants to be is at odds with the base >> yeah, and it's not just the sort of challenge that he's going to have balancing the base of the party versus the general election it's also within the party itself, alex, because there's still a robust internationalists wing in the republican party you played a clip from a number of senators certainly from that faction of the party and this is an important point the donor class of the party is overwhelmingly tilted towards hawkish, and you can be assured those folks noticed that comment he made yesterday of ukraine it contradicts where a lot of sort of money folks in the party, the contributors are. i'm telling you he's going to hear from them in the months ahead because i know from talking to some of them they're

not happy where he's coming down because their view on the issue is much more in line with the reagan-bush national security politics it's going to be interesting to see in the months to come does he stick where he is now, grow even more isolationist or moderate his view to appease the kind of donors who are not going to like it at all. >> jen, how does the white house calibrate its responseon the ukraine issue. you want to draw a contrast with the maga wing of the party but you also don't want ukraine to become a political football. if you're in the white house right now, how are you managing this >> you don't want it to be a problem. the establishment republicans, the donor class are all supporters of continuing to fund ukraine, but it can be a narrow vote on these sorts of things.

this is part of the reason why president biden just went to ukraine to shore up support, remind the public of how important this is. and if there's a few wigglers in there in the republican caucus who aren't going to support because they feel they're going to be in the trump desantis wing, that's a problem for them. politically biden is going to talk about values and who we are as a country, and part of that is standing up against dictators and authoritarians that is a stronger argument i think in a general election but you may have some shorter term challenges to get the funding through. >> there's one quick question, which is we haven't talked much about this since the show began 15 minutes ago, but if there is a trump indictment, how does desantis react to that because he needs to court trump voters, but he also needs to make clear he's not the guy with criminal charges. >> jen was saying about the border term challenges, this is

important. i think trump would see this coming out as sort of very dovish on ukraine. it's most rezinate in the house. the senate is very hawkish this could really shape the house and create challenges for biden on getting funding for ukraine through the house this year if you're ron desantis i don't think you take a sling at that pitch. i think you just let that go by because trump's going to use that to fire up his core to raise money off of it among small dollar givers. it's just not something i think desantis wants to get at if anything i think there'd be an oblique reference about focusing on the future and attacking democrats rather than hitigating the past. beyond that kind of a vague reference i can't see desantis or anyof the other would-be go candidates taking that crack at trump over indictments >> or maybe desantis will just blame mike pence for january 6th. >> maybe >> jonathan martin and jen

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this weekend the u.s. hopefully knock on wood narrowly avoided falling into financial crisis after the 16th largest bank in the country silicon valley bank, and another bank, signature bank, collapsed on each other already this has shifted from an economic crisis to a series of political attacks. the central debate here is how to regulate the american economy so a crisis like this doesn't happen again but instead of focusing on policy or what actually happened here, republicans are doing this >> they were one of the most woke banks >> this bank, they're so concerned with dei and politic and all kinds of stuff, i think that really diverted from them focusing on their core mission >> remember that after 2008 the obama administration swooped in and imposed dei on the entire

financial sector and that's one of the main reasons our big banks are so confident >> silicon valley bank is a woke biden bank they were holding seminars on visibility day if you want to hold a pride month that's fine but you've got to be able to chew gum at the same time and walk keep an eye on the balance sheet, guys. >> this is really the first bank failure caused by adherence to woke belief and policies >> republicans are making their new talking point that wokeness and diversity, equity and inclusion principles are somehow what sunk silicon valley bank. how did dei have anything to do with this? for example, this is fly the coop it opened in 2017 and now they have seven locations with an eighth which is about to open. things seem to be going pretty

well for fly the coop. the workers, cooks, managers and cashier, many who made close to minimum wage are paid every two weeks on fridays 227 of those employees work like they normally do, but when friday came they didn't get paid because of the silicon valley bank collapse. now, fly the coop doesn't bank with silicon valley bank but patriot software does. the ceo put out a statement saying he was ticked, really tick about his banking debacle which is probably the most polite reaction i can imagine. it was preventing patriot software of processing the payroll of their more than 8,000 clients. and that doesn't mean 8,000 workers, it means 8,000 company with an untold number of workers all just not getting paid. so this wasn't woke liberals melting down a tech sector bank because they'd overinvested in woke companies and woke causes,

it's a payroll company that keeps the books for a fried chicken chain in chicago so if it wasn't actual clientele, what is the closest explanation we saw as to why svb was a woke bank, well, we saw it quote, silicon valley bank notes that besides 90% of their board being independent and 45% women, they also have one black, one lgbtq plus, and two veterans i'm not saying that 12 white men would have avoided this mess, but the company may have been distract by diversity demands. oh, okay okay i'm not saying if white men had been in charge of the financial collapse it wouldn't have happened, but -- but you kind of are. and that the idea that, quote, one black, one lgbtq plus, and a bunch of women are the reason this bank collapsed now seems to be the new republican party

line joining us now is sheila, a staff writer at new yorker where she writes about wall street, silicon valley, economics and politics, she sits right at the intersection of all the things happening here, sheila so for people who don't understand where wokeness sits and where the collapse of svb silicon valley bank happened, is there an intersection between wokeness and svb's collapse? >> well, to put it bluntly the idea that there's a connection between diversity policies at this bank and the bank's collapse is complete nonsense. anyone who says that is being totally unserious. the bank was run by capitalists. >> yes >> capitalist businessmen who wanted to make a lot of money. they wanted the bank to grow very, very fast which is never a great idea for a bank. remember banks are supposed to

be kind of boring and they did all sorts of things to rapidly increase the amount of money they had on deposit at the bank. they catered to silicon valley companies in the midst of frankly a bubble they were getting tons of cash from investors because interest rates were very low. there's all this easy money and they simply did not look carefully at the risks their company had taken on through this business model and that is why this happened, pure and simple >> it seems to me just from a laymans perspective part of the reason the republican party wants to frame this as a woke versus not woke issue is it avoids having to answer the more fundamental questions what we do in terms of bank regulation. dedo you see it that way, and do you have a sense of what the republican party's platform might be on the question of regulation and deregulation given its past history >> i think the gop's in the middle of a kind of identity crisis to put it mildly right now, and they're trying to figure out what their relationship is in terms of

their brand with the business world, with big business, big money interests. traditionally the republicans favorite policy that kind of drove the rewards of society towards wealthier people, executives and ceos running companies they wanted to cut their taxes and implement sort of trickle down policies that benefitted them. but now all of a sudden they realized that can be a political liability, and president trump and others have showed them actually bashing business can help with certain voters, so i think a lot of this rhetoric now, which, again is totally unserious, not engaged would the matter at hand and this problem we have to sort out is just pandering to those voters and a sign of this identity crisis they're having about this. >> and also probably to some degree the realization that so much of the grass roots base of the gop is fire up on the issue of economic populism and has been since 2008.

i mean you hear it from republicans who are sort of not in governance at this point and understand the trend lines here and 2008 gave rise to donald trump in a lot of ways that sensed the system was rigged, that sensed you needed someone who was a truth talker, that didn't give a damn about what the liberal elites want, and at this point you can't forsake that voter, right? that is the voter going to come out and pull the lever for the gop at this point. at the same time as you point out the republican party is the party of the chamber of commerce and squaring those two seems damn near impossible i wonder what you think sort of happens here in terms of, you know, we had this push to deregulate these kind of things. there's no democrats including elizabeth warren and katie porter saying we need to bring back that regulation do you think that finds a home in a bipartisan fashion in this current pliical climate? >> i think the collapse of these two banks certainly gives valuable ammunition to the

elizabeth warrens of the world she can say look at this disaster, it could have been avoided possibly if we require this bank to be more conservative, which means the bank is required today have more cash available if things get a little tight, you know, and not just max out their risk profile assuming everything will be wonderful forever and plan for a rainy day. they did not do that, so i think it is a good time to try to revisit those issues, but you can never say for sure it seems a lot of republican lawmakers when it comes to these financial regulatory issues, they'll flip-flop depending on which way the wind is blowing and anti-trust and the tech sector some are against it, and some are for it yeah, it's a good moment to go in there and at least try because rolling back those regulations is clearly -- >> clearly not a great idea. what of dei? what of diversity, equity and inclusion? we know ron desantis has made

going against initiatives across the country has become, you know, a banner under which a lot of republican conservatives want to march can they be effective in forcing companies to adopt more retrograde policies in terms of, you know, staffing and inclulgz? >> well, it's interesting because they used to be the party of small government and like laissez-faire economics it's a little bit of a flip-flop for them but i think the reason they've all glommed onto this anti-woke agenda is they feel it's working at least in some sector of their voter rolls and, you know, it plays well on fox. you have to remember they're all trying to create content and talking points for their media channels i mean that seems so obvious,

this all just meant to go viral on right-wing social media, and as long as they think it's working for them, i think they'll keep doing it even though it is clearly kind of insincere and completely unhelpful in terms of actually addressing the underlying problems, which, could, yes, continue to lead to bank failures in the future there could be a more serious one where not just the fried chicken company but a major employer, it could lead to problems in the future and it would be great if they focus on actually addressing the problem. >> as long as there's a democrat in the white house, at some point they could be called on doing something about the financial crisis it's great to meet you and have you on the program still ahead this hour, we have the transcripts on a secret conference meeting on a major abortion case out of tex stick around for that. abetes. the dexcom g7 continuous glucose monitoring system

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years. late last week the judge scheduled a hearing in this case but for this week. he tried to keep it a secret "the washington post" caught wind of his clandestine moves. he even held a secret conference meeting last friday discussing his decision to delay public notice of his plans. all this secrecy in a federal case with national public health implications, all this secrecy is highly irregular, so when media organizations like nbc and "the washington post" discovered the judge's plans and raised concerns about a lack of transparency the judge decided yesterday to announce this week's hearing in the public docket and today he also made the transcript from friday's weirdly secret conference meeting publicly available again, reports say this judge never wanted any of this information out until the very last min and now we have the transcript that reveals why

here's the judge so the purpose of this status conference is to announce the hearing set in the pending motion for the preliminary injunction the court will hold a hearing at 9:30 a.m. central daylight time on wednesday, march 15 t, 2023 and because of limited security resources and staffing i will ask the parties avoid further publicizing the date of the hearing. this is not a gag order but just a request for curt aers given the death threats and harassing phone calls this division has received we want a fluid hearing with all parties being heard. i think less advertisement of this hearing is better so i'm not ordering under any gag order doctrine you're gag. i'm just requesting as a courtesy, but i'll ask as a courtesy you not further tweet any details of this hearing so all parties can be heard and we

don't have any unnecessary circuit-like atmosphere of what should be an appellate style hearing. there will be an order setting the hearing on tuesday now here's a justice department defense attorney will that order be publicly available on the docket? the judge, it will, it will. but to minimize some of the unnecessary death threats and harassment this division has seen since the start of the case we're going to post that later in the day it may be after business hours but that will be publicly filed. despite the judge not a gag order gag order the cat is now out of the bag and protesters are planning to show up at the courthouse tomorrow morning, some wearing kangaroo costumes, others plan to dress as clowns, which is clear reference to his worry about a circus-like atmosphere the hearing tomorrow will be public it will be live stream, but you can only watch if you're at another courthouse in texas and

also it can't be recorded which is okay. that's how things are playing out in the public courtroom that will decide if access may be disrupted. meanwhile engalveston county, texas, we're seeing a novel court case that could scare not only people who need abortions last week a man sued three women for helping his ex-wife get abortion medication. the man's attorneys include a republican state legislature and the former state texas solicitor-general. together they claim under texas law the three defendants assisted the plaintiff's ex-wife in murdering her fertilized egg by helping her get access to -- wait for it -- abortion medication so theex-husband is suing the three friends for wrongful death and conspiracy this complaint includes text messages from his ex-wife's phone that show the woman's concerns that her pregnancy would make it difficult for her to escape her ex, and that he

would use it against her this is reportedly the first lawsuit of its kind since roe was overturned and we'll have more on this case and how it is and isn't legal. stay with us

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one batch of texts in the group chat reads from britni i'd be willing to do the pills for sure she knows how to get them in houston, yes

jackie, are you sure, we can talk about when you're back. >> britni, yeah, let's talk about it but i read over that option too. i read it's similar to a miscarriage and can be done more at home generally. >> jackie, yeah. >> britni, if i don't have to travel that would make thing so much easier. >> amy, dude, yeah what was just a part of a conversation is now being used as evidence since the overturbing of roe the lawsuit is being brought by a man that alleges three women helped his ex-wife get access to medication abortion. this lawsuit claims under texas law a person who assists a pregnant woman in obtaining a self-managed abortion has committed the crime of murder and can be sued for wrongful death. joining me now to discuss all this is a former federal and state prosecutor in new york holly, thank you for being here to help me understand how in the world this can actually be

happening. okay, legally speaking what are the merits, if you will, of this case >> so i think this was inevitable i think it's where the anti-choice movement has wanted to go in court for a long time, which is actually go past any statutes that specifically prohibit abortion or make people liable for helping somebody get an abortion and just say murder is murder. and a fetus is a person. and so it invokes interestingly just the murder statute in texas. and wrongful death in texas. and the language of it is baby sylva was murder asked someone has to be held accountable >> this is something you hear in state legislatures with far right conservative members with increasing frequency could the end game to establish fetal person hood and get a work

through the court system for a national policy? >> well, wrng it's a long game and part of it is laying the groundwork remember one of his lawyers is a person who wrote sb8, the tex law that introduced this idea that the people who helped with the abortion are also on the hook for something and we'll see how far you can get here but i think it's not just about the suit because one of the things that jumped out at me is how much of the language of the prosecution was in here, and what they might be try to do is get prosecutors into bringing this case. right? who's really supposed to be holding people to account for murder >> right, right, you're saying the husband is suing but, hey, hey, d.a., shouldn't you in texas be taking this case of murder up because baby sylva was murdered never mind baby silvera was a fertilized embryo a few

weeks old. >> exactly i think that's sort of the master plan. >> wow, in the meantime you read the text message chains. this is a group of women who see -- first of all, the stents they're offering in support in a time of crisis so abundantly clear. i'll read another excerpt from it amy said mistakes happen, you can't spiral hopefully this is slap in the body you need to remove yourself for him. yeah, it is for sure can't risk something like that generally especially with him. i just worry about your emotional state and he'll be able to make his way into your head and other one says delete all conversations from today, you don't want him looking through it and another friend says get rid of the test and wrapper not at home first of all, the environment in which this woman is feeling the clear pressure to carry through with this pregnancy despite what is clearly not a good situation

for her at home, leaves anyone in distress. she's not trying to carry this pregnancy through to term because she wants to get away from this man. number one, the fact he has access to these text messages and that these women now are being charged with -- they're being sued for wrongful death, the echo effects of that are profound >> indeed. and alex, there's so many red flags here we're just learning about the family but looking at what you read, i'm reminded when sb8 first went into effect so many addict vkts who work on domestic violence were worried this could be another instrument of what we call power and control over the person in your house you're abusing, because you could say if you try to get an abortion i'm going to sue your sister and your mom and your friend and whoever is in your circle of support so the whole tone of it raises that and when i was a prosecutor

one of the things we would look for in domestic violence cases is when they take your phone, right? so we don't know maybe we'll learn he got these messages some other way, but i do worry he was tracking her phone, that he was taking her phone out of her hands which is a way of connecting the outside world >> she talked about not wanting to leave the state she can't have the pregnancy test she's talking about basically just trying to keep as low a profile as she possibly can around this. you know, and her friends clearly think he's a bad actor in her life. >> indeed, and we know that now they're actually divorced. so this was a relationship that ultimately did fall apart. and we're seeing some of the history of that here and how it intersects with abortion regulation in a really terrifying way >> just in terms -- you talk about autonomy here. it's economic, financial autonomy the things being infringed upon in texas when you talk about

women under the auspices of pregnancy it is the hands maids tale >> it's amazing. she's talking about taking a day off work in order to manage this abortion it really give you a window into what the abortion pill as opposed to surgical abortion really means in the live of women who are in dire straits. >> such an important point as we await a cataclysmic decision in that case. it is -- it is a joy to talk to you about really distressing things thank you for your time and wisdom as always we'll be right back. ♪♪ get $1500 purchase allowance on a 2023 cadillac xt5 and xt6. ♪♪

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we have one last story before we go tonight america's most let's say fascinating freshman congressman husband officially filed papers with the fec, the federal election commission, indicating

he plans to run for re-election in 2024 embroiled in a list of scandals so long listing every single one would take more time than we have in this program also being publicly scrutinized by prosecutors from local, state, federal, and even international level. not to mention an ethics investigation by his own colleagues in congress against that backdrop george santos responded to a deadline set by the fec on whether or not he's inclined to run in 2024ch and he's indicating he plans to run for re-election. cnn point out desantis said in the filing he doesn't plan to use his own funds for re-election which is significant because he's facing campaign finance scrutiny for a mysterious $750,000 loan he lent his 2022 campaign. today's fileing is not an

official declaration but sure is a very strong indication in a surprise move last week the freshman congressman agreed to cosponsor a republican bill literally aimed at making sure people like george santos, congressmen, cannot profit off of stuff they made up. the bill is titled and i quote, the no fortune for fraud act one of the republican cosponsors for that bill notes on his website the bill is, quote, inspired by george santos. the controversies they just keep finding, george santos last week we learned the latest one which accuses him of being involve in a 2014 credit card scam he's vehemently denied those allegation that is the show for tonight and we'll see you again tomorrow "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next even if you put in your checkbook or i put in my checkbook i bought a car and