right now on "andrea mitchell reports," domestic and foreign crises confronting the white house ahead of the president's anticipated re-election announcement coming soon markets tumbling a multibillion dollar loss sparking uncertainty over a tough interest rate decision this hour, collision the u.s. and russia have their first physical contact off the crimean peninsula since the war began. >> this hazardous episode is a part of a pattern of aggressive and risky and unsafe actions by russian pilots in international airspace >> i will speak with ned price

about what happened when the department called the russian ambassador on the carpet and other hot topics during his two years at the podium. planned parenthood ceo and texas native cecile davis joins me good day i'm andrea mitchell in washington following breaking news on wall street. u.s. and european markets plunging on news that massive global lender credit suisse has been cut off by saudi investors after reporting an $8 billion loss in 2022 stephanie ruhle joins me credit was down 20% throughout the day. we have seen the ripple affects here

>> this is very bad news for credit suisse. it's one of the only banks that coming out of the financial crisis has still not found its groove the news we have gotten in the last 24 hours is very bad. that saudi fund that made the huge investment months ago made the announcement today, they cannot go further. if they make a bigger investment in the company, that's going to spark regulatory triggering. they would then own more than 10%. credit suisse is appealing to the swiss national bank. they don't have a ton of other outlets. the company spun off their investment business, their sales business which has gotten slower they have the wealth management business rooted in switzerland that's been losing clients steadily for the last few years. they are in a very difficult position when you combine that with what the banking issues are here, which are separate, it's just not a good picture overall

>> stephanie, i know that the big banks are better capitalized, much better and regulated because of dodd-frank. not the mid-sized banks as we have learned, but the big banks are. that said, it wasn't so much lehman brothers -- wasn't it the french bank that really triggered the collapse in 2008 >> it was. these are very different situations when you look at 2008, you have to remember, underneath it all was the housing bubble was bursting it was a complicated situation that spanned throughout our entire economy you have to take these situations -- i know there's contagion -- separately. what happened with silicon valley bank last week was they made really bad decisions with what they did with their depo depositors' money. they put it in long-term treasuries really bad move. couple that with how they tried to sell securities and it was

disastrous for the bank. unfortunately, small and mid-size banks here in the u.s. arecontagion the biden administration is trying to stop that. they made it clear that not only did they stop the customers from getting their money back, but they said your money is safe they are hoping people aren't continuing to pull deposits out. we don't see evidence of that. it's a rocky moment. >> we think that the sec and the justice department are all over that >> absolutely. remember, regulators may have been asleep at the wheel before svb went down. now, they are going through everything not just what happened with the executives there, but even the advisories like goldman sachs. who was advising this company? how did this happen? >> of course, you can watch stephanie ruhle, as i do, every night for a year now

congratulations. >> thank you so much more fallout today following the stunning midair collision over the black sea between a russian fighter jet and a u.s. drone. the first known physical contact between u.s. and russian forces since the war in ukraine began the russian plane hit the drone's propeller leading the u.s. to crash the drone and blank its collections. >> before the collision, they dumped fuel on the drone this demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional. >> summoned to the state department, russia's ambassador claiming it was heading for the russian border >> this drone can carry a few bombs. what will the reaction of united

states if you see such russian drone? very close, for example, to san francisco or new york. what will be reaction of united states >> joining me now is the state department's spokesperson ned price for a few more days. your final week in the role. ned, i want to play more of what the defense secretary had to say at the pentagon today. >> make no mistake, the united states will continue to fly and to operate wherever international law allows it is incumbent upon russia to operate its military aircraft in a safe and professional manner >> the u.s. is calling this incident reckless. i understand there's surveillance video of the incident what does the video show >> this was an unsafe and unprofessional incident that was also tinged with incompetence.

the video shows a russian pilot that looks uncontrolled and running into the unmanned u.s. aircraft, forcing the u.s. military to down it over the black sea. not only is this unacceptable, it's also dangerous. president biden has the saying that the only thing worse than an intended conflict is an unintended conflict. our concern is that these types of encounters, these reckless maneuvers on the part of the russians have the potential to lead to something more dangerous. they have the potential to be escalatory, to put the united states in direct contact with russia no one wants to see that we don't want to see that. our message to the russians is that this cannot continue. >> russia has a completely different story, denying that they came in contact with the drone. why not release the video and show the world what happened >> this is a decision that the

department of defense is looking at we take these decisions first and foremost with sources and methods in mind. we don't want to release anything to the public that could hinder or impair our ability to collect the type of information that these craft are deployed to do the department of defense will have more on this. i think the broader point is that we should always take with a very large grain of salt everything we hear from the russian federation of course, what we heard from the ambassador was nonsense. this unmanned drone was over international waters it was in international airspace it was some 40 miles away from crimea by the way, when you hear the russians talk about this drone approaching their airspace, by the way, crimea is ukraine we conduct these operations in close coordination with our ukrainian partners as you heard from secretary austin, we will continue to fly,

to sail, to operate wherever international law allows if the russians are of the mindset they are in a position to intimidate us, we will prove them wrong >> the united states and ukraine say crimea is ukraine. for all intents and purposes, since 2014 russia has controlled crimea >> it's not something we have ever recognized. it's not something much of the world has recognized or will recognize. this is at the heart of what is now russia's invasion of ukraine. the idea on the part of russia that they can make legitimate, make lawful these annexations by force on the part of russian forces and russian troops on what is very much sovereign ukrainian territory. they can't do it in crimea they can't do it in eastern ukraine. the ukrainians have demonstrated very well to them over past year that they won't be able to do it over the entire country of

ukraine. >> just to pin this down, is the u.s. position that this was either incompetence or accidental, not an intentional clipping of our drone? >> i think the best assessment right now is that it probably was unintentional. it probably was the result ofin. it's really immaterial it doesn't really matter what matters is what actually happened a russian aircraft caused us to down this u.s. unmanned aerial vehicle. that could have created a larger incident, whether in this case or other cases, it's not something we can see happen again. >> turning to china. we understand that there's going to be at least a conversation, the first conversation since the war started, between president xi and president zelenskyy, but

probably after this meeting with putin and president xi do we have any new information on whether china is considering sending lethal aid to russia as secretary blinken, director of the cia burns have said? burns said with confidence, but allies are raising questions about the intelligence on that analysis is based. >> our concern remains, our concern has not changed. we do believe that the prc hasn't taken this off the table. it's something they have considered we have been very clear about the consequences beyond what we have said, i think you listen to world leaders around the globe, and you have heard great concern expressed, whether that's from our german allies, from nato allies, whether it's from countries around the world who are standing with ukraine and standing on the side of the u.n. charter and international law. the people's republic of china has attempted to have it both

ways throughout russia's brutal inv invasion, they have attempted to disguise themselves as being neutral in this conflict but they have been anything but neutral. they have provided russia with important forms of support, diplomatic, political, economic and rhetorical you look at the way in which the people's republic of china is echoing the dangerous disinformation, lies and propaganda that's coming out of russia, and you see that messaging support almost every single day the decision on the part of china to provide lethal support would take that to another level. it's not something we have seen. we are continuing to watch very closely. just as we are tcontinuing to warn against it, countries around the world are doing the same. >> this friday is the end of your tenure. you will stay on secretary blinken's team i want to ask what you learned

during that period primarily, what was your worst day, what was your best day? >> a couple things i have had the tremendous honor of standing at the podium behind me here just about every day we are here in washington, d.c it's 200 briefings over the past two plus years i have been there this job the podium behind me accommodates one person. only one person can fit there. any success that i have had in this role is a testament to the partnership, the team work, the support that i have had from thousands of public servants across the department and across our government from the people who brief me every day before i brief you to those who are responsible for the technical elements to those who have the chore of transcribing every single word that sutered by me or you or other reporters. it's an enterprise

i'm profoundly grateful to all of them. there's another element to this as well. it is you and your colleagues. you are the ones who are asking me, asking my colleagues across the government the good, the inside tough questions that serve one purpose, to hold us accountable. we here -- my role has been to work to the benefit of an informed citizenry, the bedrock of any democracy around the world, including our democracy here at home you have a pivotal role to play in that as do your colleagues. one final point on this, we are here in the state department press briefing room. we have had an empty seat for the better part of a year now. our colleague ben hall from fox news was severely injured in the early days of russia's brutal aggression against ukraine two of his colleagues were killed when their vehicle came under fire from russian forces

of course, ben has been in our thoughts i know my successor will have an opportunity to welcome ben back. the bigger point is that so many of your colleagues around the world, including people you and i know, put themselves in harm's way to do what is this vitally important task, this vitally important task of holding people like me accountable, asking the tough questions and making sure that people around the world know what american is doing, how we're doing it, with whom we're doing it we hope the success that we're having in all of those endeavors. as for best and worst days, this is a job with many ups and downs. i have been lucky fluf y enoughe on the podium when wehad diplomatic victories the secretary is in ethiopia today. working closely with our african partners we have been able to help bring peace across northern ethiopia,

levels of peace they haven't seen in several years. saving lives, giving people food they have not had for too long those are the kinds of things you hope for those are the things you work for. those are the things that they will continue to do for the rest of the administration. >> $3.5 billion in aid to e ethiopia ned price, i have said this public as have my colleagues from all the media, the fact that you, from the top down, from secretary blinken creating access, recreated the daily briefing and access to travel in the airplane and to the first amendment has meant so much. full-time at the state department since 1994 and through republicans and democrats, through war and peace, there's been access, except for the previous four years. we thank you for the work that you have done. thank you so much. >> thank you appreciate it. coming up, the abortion pill

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a major abortion case is playing out in a texas courtroom with an outcome that could be felt across the country. even in states where abortion is legal. anti-abortion groups want a judge to order the fda to pull a pill used in medication abortions, despite it being used for 20 years with an overwhelmingly safe track record the district court judge presiding over the case is a longtime abortion critic he is facing criticism for how he planned to withhold any public announcement he was holding this hearing nbc news is part of a media coalition that filed a complaint leading him to go public let's get to nbc's morgan chesky

outside the courtroom in texas and laura jarrett. morgan, to you we are halfway through today's arguments. we won't hear anything until they wrap up what's happening so far? >> reporter: as you mentioned, we are halfway through we are a part of the group that made this hearing public as of right now, it remains closed door inside this courtroom. that means we have yet to receive any update on where things stand with these ongoing arguments for this preliminary injunction that could be ruled on today, tomorrow or weeks from now. there has been a growing number of questions though on how we ended up here in amarillo. we know this is where this lawsuit was filed by a group of plaintiffs, led by the alliance for hippocratic medicine that's a group based out of tennessee. back in august of 2022, they had established a presence here in amarillo, leading them to file

the lawsuit here to be heard by this federally appointed judge who was put in by president trump in 2017. important to note, critics have said -- called the plaintiffs group essentially a case of judge shopping as you mentioned, the judge has been known for his conservative causes in the past he volunteered on multiple republican campaigns that is why, because he is the only judge who could hear a case in this courtroom at the district level, they are saying that this is an unfair case to be heard right now as for protests here, there were -- there was a group of a dozen people who gathered prior to the arguments being made earlier today. the majority of them have disbanded. inside right now, arguments on behalf of the plaintiffs and the fda are currently being heard. >> laura, there was secrecy

around today's hearing also seems like a classic case of judge shopping. >> yeah. as morgan pointed out, a lot of critics were suspicious of why they might have filed in amarillo by local rule, the judge is the only judge that can hear the case it wasn't as if there was another option morgan mentioned his record. we don't know how he will rule he may decide to rule in favor of the fda we should say that we don't have any indication either way one indication that will help us a lot would be able to be in the courtroom and listen that's why it was disappointing that we weren't able to get a live stream of what's going on there, given the national importance of this case and the potential national scope of it we would have hoped for that we know they should take a break after the plaintiffs make their case there should be a 15-minute break before the justice department offers their argument then the plaintiffs will have a little chance for rebuttal we do not know when he will

rule hopefully, he will give us some indication of a little timing today. we may not see a ruling today. >> we do have a correspondent inside who will be reporting when they take a break stay tuned throughout the day to msnbc. thank you, laura and, of course, morgan for the full implications of this, let's talk to cecile richards, she's the former planned parenthood ceo the more than half of all u.s. abortions are medication abortions. especially after the dobbs ruling, it became one way that people wouldn't have to travel in states that do respect the procedures, the other kinds of abortion procedures. in the 72 hours after the dobbs draft leaked, internet searches for the abortion pill jumped 162% if you safely, with a two-pill regimen, it's got a 99.6%

success rate if the pill is pulled with those data, what options would women have >> andrea, you really have underscored the most important thing about this this case should have never been heard. there is absolutely no evidence that there is any safety issues related to it. it was approved by the fda 22 years ago. it has been used by millions of women here in the united states. this is all about politics the risk, as you mentioned, is for so many people this is the best method of having an abortion it's going to mean that if this judge, who i think we heard has a record of being against women's rights -- if he should take away the fda's approval, it

would mean that people all over the country, even in states where abortion is completely legal, would no longer be able to access this drug legally. that would be -- it would be a tremendous setback for women's health so many women have lost access to surgical abortion in their state. it's a very safe, very effective method used for abortion this would have dramatic consequences >> because i'm not familiar with the pill itself. is it only useful to prevent conception by stopping progesterone from being released or can it be used later in a pregnancy? i'm not familiar with the details. >> medication abortion is actually used to end a pregnancy early in pregnancy it's the most commonly used form of abortion in the country

i think the important thing that you are raising is, this is about terminating a pregnancy. but the risk now is that the republicans, who are not going to be satisfied with just overturns roe will now go after other methods, such as emergency contraception or better known as the morning after pill, which has been used by millions of american women, going after birth control they don't approve of i feel like this is the slippery slope we get into when you have non-medical people, politicians, judges, making decisions about women's health and women's health care. it's so dangerous. we saw in texas the same state where this case is being argued five women suing the state of texas because of troubled pregnancies where they were unable to get the medical care they needed to save their life and their health, having to go out of state it's a dangerous place to be

right now, to be a pregnant person in texas. >> we have heard horrible stories about women who have been unable to get an abortion procedure late in a pregnancy when a fetus dies. therefore, they are carrying a dead fetus with toxic results, sometimes making it impossible eventually to have children again, to get pregnant again republicans in south carolina are pushing a bill that any person who undergoes an abortion would be subject to the state's homicide laws. that includes the death penalty. it would define a person as an unborn child at every stage of development from fertilization of the egg until birth are you fearing this could be replicated elsewhere >> absolutely. andrea, people who thought that maybe just overturning roe was adequate for the republican party are obviously finding out that was wrong

they are not going to be happy until every person in this country is unable to access safe and legal abortion not only the south carolina legislation as you mentioned that would criminalize women potentially with the death penalty. we now see the governor in florida working with the republican-led legislature to ban abortion in the state of florida. it goes on and on and on it's why women in this country are terrified about republican party leadership >> thank you very much for being with us today. >> good to see you safety first the faa taking a deep dive into some of the close calls at airports around the nation you are watching "dranea mitchell reports" on msnbc wit*e you're ready for anything. marriage. kids. college. kids moving back in after college. ♪ here's to getting financially ready for anything! and here's to being single and ready to mingle. who's ready to cha-cha?! age is just a number,

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steve leaseman joining me now. all this is putting the trouble signs encore inflation from yesterday, complicating the fed's decision making for next week right? >> yeah. it's tremendously complicated right now. we had fairly robust inflation numbers earlier this week. that was job number one or enemy number one at the fed. it was clear what they had to do in context if they are just looking at inflation now you have this fairly substantial downdraft in the stock market, decline in bond interest rates rising concern volatility and instability in the financial system all of those things, put them on one side and to the other side of inflation, all of those other things tell the fed they probably should not be hiking next week. my best guess is that what they will probably do is be more

concerned about financial stability than inflation if they have to take a pause in order to give the financial system a little time to find its legs, find its feet, that's my best guess of what they will end up doing but they have several days to decide >> i'm also fascinated by the back story how reluctant the administration, white house, the president because of his experience from 2008 and the political fallout from the bailout then, which thisis not how reluctant they were to intervene. we saw secretary yellen on the hill the back story coming out about how the deputy treasure secretary had been meeting with bankers and then said this isn' going to cause contagion and they said it could that's a major warning as it built throughout the day, it shows how reluctantly they came to the decision of what they had to do, not the initial

shutdown, but what they had to do on sunday more robustly >> yeah. we have been through this before nobody wants to have to intervene to save the banks. it's one of the great ironies of history. it was the obama administration that had to step in and create a big backstop if you can think of one president who would be the least likely to be a savior to the banking system, president obama would be it. maybe president biden is in the second case right there. it's one of those things where you regulate the financial system when there's instability in the system, it's important for every average american that the system ends up working, that you are able to go to the atm and get your olympmoney out. i don't suspect we were at that level. what we found is the demise of the 16th largest bank, second largest bank failure in history, had a tumultuous affect on the financial system that required the government to step in and create a backstop

there. there's a lot of thinking to do at this point about how much of a backstop the banking system is going to get on one hand and what their horizon is, their ability is to do lending that gets them profits on the other hand what we are thinking about is, should the banking system be just like a water or electricity utility? >> steve, your experience on this is so invaluable. thank you so much for helping us out. >> pleasure. the faa holding an emergency safety summit today following a rash of dangerous close calls, including midair incidents, system meltdowns and runway near misses that have unnerved the flying public. the heads of the faa, transportation department and the ntsb are in a meeting outside washington deciding if new regulations are needed to keep flyers safe and what those changes should be. >> these recent incidents must

serve as a wake-up call for every single one of us before something more catastrophic occurs. >> gabe gutierrez has been watching the safety summit today. gabe, just yesterday you were talking to the head of the ntsb, the faa revealing that there was an incident right here -- >> reagan national just last week this was another incident where there was a republic airways flight that came very close to a united airlines jet that had been cleared for takeout we understand from the faa that that republic airways flight had been given clearance on a different runway, but it went on the wrong taxiway. that's when air traffic controllers noticed it was close to the united jet. take a listen to some of the audio when they realized what was happening.

>> aborting takeoff. another incident where it was a close call the ntsb says the number of so-called runway incursions -- that's a category it can be just a vehicle or aircraft in the wrong place. not all are that serious however, the ntsb says they hav been on the rise that is part of the reason why the faa decided to call this rare summit today to try to get a handle on what is going on >> is it because of the volume of air traffic >> that's a question that they are looking at demand is extremely high, as you know, since demand increased since the covid pandemic the question is, is that stressing the system just too

much there have been layoffs across the airline industry has that been contributing to this also, the ntsb is actually -- they are renewing their calls for longer cockpit voice recordings they have been saying this for several years. they say they want more than two hours. right now the cockpit voice recorder capture two they want 25 hours so they know what is going on inside that cockpit. the question is, is this something that can be fixed? is it a question of training is it a question of needing more air traffic controllers? the faa is saying at the summit that they plan to hire at least 1,500 air traffic controllers this year and another 1,800 the following year >>we were talking about this it is striking that they re-record over after two hours >> if a plane takes off -- many flights longer than two hours. someone wants to go back and listen to the audio, they don't

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united states really needs to get a full briefing before they decide to make up their minds on this particular issue. >> joining me now is ryan nobles and brendan buck so ryan, those comments are on top of what we are hearing from other senators, including marco rubio and john cornyn, really surprised that ron desantis would call it a territorial dispute. one country invaded the other. one is russia and the other is ukraine. it's a david and goliath >> yeah. it's stark the chasm between where you see many parts of the republican base really the maga wing of the republican base and these establishment republican senators it's very difficult to find a republican senator who is not on the side of supporting ukraine with as much as the united states is able to do so.

we have seen some break. senator vance of ohio, closely aligned with former president donald trump, wrote an op-ed where he suggested perhaps we not go overboard in the support of ukraine there's no doubt that these republican senators see this as an existential threat. this is about more than just a dispute between ukraine and russia that this is a bigger problem for the entire world it has what could be lingering affects on other parts of the world as well, including china and taiwan that is different than what you hear from some house republicans, particularly freedom caucus republicans, who have said many times that they do not just want to write ukraine a blank check. then you have the house speaker kevin mccarthy who is caught in the middle showing support for ukraine but then also calling for more accountability. this is no doubt a rift in the republican party right now you are seeing a degree of unification on the senate side with republicans but as this process plays itself

out and there are conversations, it will be interesting to see how house republicans react to this, especially against the backdrop of the 2024 campaign. >> indeed. brendan, former president trump opened the door to the isolationist lane for republicans with his views does ron desantis give more republicans the cover to shift their policy positions here, which would be alarming to not only foreign policy experts here in the u.s. but to our allies who saw what donald trump could do, the jcpoa and international agreements as well as opposition to russia. >> obviously, the trump wing of the party has been here. donald trump has made us much more isolationist. the issue here i think is ron desantis is sort of projecting the idea that he will give you a lot of what donald trump offers in terms of culture war and give you the feeling he is fighting, but he is also supposed to be a

serious person under all that. this is a deeply unserious position that he has taken you can have an argument about how much aid we should be sending to ukraine i think it's reasonable to have a discussion is there an upper limit? that's different than saying, this is a territorial dispute. that sounds like what russia would like you to say. to say this is not important at all is a deeply unserious position to have ron desantis knows how to read a poll i'm sure this will play fine for him in his primary it does raise questions whether he is a serious person running for president. >> ryan, i want to turn to a very tough confirmation fight on the senate floor there's a procedural vote over mayor garcetti from l.a. he was nominated two years ago to be the ambassador to india. it's striking over there they had a g20 and no u.s. ambassador there he has gotten a couple of republican votes, support from

the foreign relations company. it's on the floor right now. is this going to go through? >> they are at the procedural stage. this is -- they have to invoke c clochure you are right, he has enjoyed some support from lindsey graham, susan collins and haggerty from tennessee among those who have supported his nomination but he still has some lingering doubts from democrats. one said she's uncomfortable with the idea of costing an affirmative vote for him if he is able to make it to the next stage and ultimately be confirmed, it will be and to be it will be because republicans essentially rescued this nomination and this is something that they've been willing to fight for. this is a two-year battle. we'll have a sense in the next couple of hours whether the

battle was worth it and whether or not garcetti will be announced as the next ambassador to india >> i should say outgoing but he was on the selection committee that group deciding what to recommend for vice presidential choices for running mate he's very close to the president so this is a very important vote for them thank you, ryan nobles, thank you, brendan buck. and as the u.s. is racing to provide weapons for ukraine, the pentagon is facing its season supply shortage. "the washington post" reporting the war in ukraine is exposing america's ability to rapidly produce the many weapons both for kyiv and america's self-defense joining us now is missy ryan, a national security reporter, incoming pentagon correspondent for "the washington post" who wrote that article and just returned from a tour of duty in ukraine. and retired area general twitty from the european command. missy you keep reporting on all

of this, you went to a factory, i think in scranton, p.a the largest military budget, but still struggling to build weapons for both ukraine and the u.s. >> it really does seem to be a tension between the fact that united states now does have a military budget that could be close to approaching $1 trillion a year and still is struggling to produce not just the most sophisticated weapons, but sort of basic ammunition including the 155 millimeter artillery piece which has been a key weapon on this fight in ukraine and other things like javelins and stingers and the research that has been conducted by the center for strategic international studies among others, shows that it could take more than five years for the united states to replenish its supplies of key a arments as it tries to push back

and the systemic brittleness as senior leaders call it in the defense industry and it's a product of sort of decades of different decisionmaking that resulted in on itemization for efficiency, rather than serve for production and the u.s. and pentagon are grappling with that right now. >> general twitty, the battle for bakhmut is raging on heavily. critics say bakhmut is not this kind of city to warrant this kind of sacrifice on the part of ukraine when they need their ammo, their resources for the spring offensive to come what say you about the importance -- the importance of bakhmut? is this a poor decision by ukraine? >> well, i know don't want to say it's a poor decision because i'm not on the ground, so, i'll leeb it to the ukrainian military to make that decision but what i will tell you is, what concerns me, and i think it concerns many others, that are

watching this is that the ukrainians want to do a counteroffensive here in the spring will they have the combat power after the brutal barrage in bakhmut, both in human capital and the equipment to be able to pull off a counteroffensive. so preserving resources at a time when they want to get more than just bakhmut, that's a huge concern, i think for most of us that are watching this >> missy, you just returned from ukraine, how do you assess the morale, a year-plus into this war, this grinding war, where they know that russia has the manpower, doesn't have to worry about public support >> yeah, you know, i think it's really mixed on one hand, you hear just this incredible resolve from ordinary ukrainians from people who have brought their families and children back from abroad and say that they're going to stay in ukraine

that they're determined to actually push the country towards a military victory and that they believe that peaceful resolution, to negotiate a settlement, would not be sustainable. and would not protect ukraine from russia doing this again so, you know, i think that that's a broad feeling among ukrainians, certainly, poles support that but on the other hand there is a problem with flagging morale in the military there's been some great reporting from my. were colleagues in the past week and this is really caused by just the sheer intensity of the last year and the fact that the most well-trained soldiers have many of them been killed and the ones that are still there, fighting in places like bakhmut, they are facing a perennial shortage of weapons. and particularly, ammunition and so they feel like, you know, they're suffering losses that they don't need to suffer.

and that, i think, really is a challenge and an increasing challenge that president zelenskyy and the military leadership in ukraine are going to have to face in coming months >> and general twitty, what has been what happened over the black sea, just very briefly, do you find it surprising that there could have been this collision? >> i do not having been the deputy commander of the deputy commander of the u.s./european command, we saw this routinely, not that it would bring down an aircraft, but our residents used to shadow the aircraft as well as u.s./nato aircraft. they used to do unsafe acts during that time frame as well to see this as a time where there's high tensions between u.s. and russia, there is a bit of a surprise. so what else would they go to the extent to do i'm glad we're letting cool

heads prevail in this, and making sure we're not bringing the u.s. or nato into something deeper >> missy ryan, general steph twitty, thank you both so much that does it for thi (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. m andrea mitchell reports. chris jansing will join us after the brief messages (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security. giving you more control of your business. we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on. we must finally hold social media companies accountable. it's time to pass bipartisan legislation to stop big tech from collecting personal data on our kids and teenagers online. ban targeted advertising to children.

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