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headquarters in new york city. could a political battle that's splitting the republican party also influence the outcome of the actual war some republican lawmakers obviously think so, slamming ron desantis for arguing the u.s. should stop helping ukraine. what it could mean for the congress, the country and the kremlin. plus, the hugely consequential hearing on abortion happening right now in texas. how the opinion of a single judge could impact the lives and health of millions of women across the country and wall street under pressure again, with the dow falling from the opening bell, now down about 700 points, at least close to it. the new bank that investors scrutinizing and what it means for your money coming up. bus we start with the clash over america's role in ukraine, shaping up to be an early defining moment in the republican race for president. it pits ron desantis who has now aligned himself with donald

trump by calling the war a territorial dispute, that the u.s. should stay out of. against a growing number of republican critics in congress, who say that position is weak and potentially dangerous. >> i haven't seen the governor's comments in full context i know how i believe i just believe that the aid to ukraine is not charity i think it's an act of self-preservation. >> i'm very disturbed that he feels that way >> i think that's a misunderstanding of the situation. it's not a territorial conflict, it's a war of aggression >> the last thing we need is a bully with nuclear weapons feeling like he's emboldened and that there's nobody keeping him in check >> any one of the individuals who has an interest in working as the next president of the united states really needs to get appropriate before they decide to make up their minds on

this particular issue. >> i want to bring in nbc's ali vitali on capitol hill jonathan lemire is bureau chief of host of "way too early" and tim miller is writer for the bulwark. tim, it wasn't that bunch of these senators disagreed with them on policy, several seem to suggest he doesn't know what he's talking about i mean, is the message, maybe you're not ready for prime time yet? >> somebody has to do that, which is enjoyable to me, kudos to those republican senators who haven't been speaking out in the past when the last president was making statements far more reckless than ron desantis was making about ukraine i think what's happening is, they know he's trying to get into the race, they're trying to flex a little muscle i think they will prefer ron desantis over donald trump

this is they want to give him a long leash to appeal to maga voters on a lot of issues, maybe ones that aren't as important to them but this is an important issue from the ones that come from the neo-strong defense bring of the republican party and they're sending a message to ron desantis that this is over a red line for us. right. and they want him to know, that if he's going to get into this race, he has to be, you know, be a little bit stronger in defense of ukraine you know, maybe that he can offer some certain, you know, critiques. biden policy but to call this a territorial dispute. to basically seem like you're siding like an argument that would have come out of the kremlin in a statement to tucker carlson, you know, that is something that they disagree with i think before he gets in this race, they're trying to use this opportunity to shape what kind of foreign policy he would have in a campaign. >> ali, clearly, there are people where you are on the hill who don't disagree with him. and i understand you have new

reporting that ron desantis is getting a congressional endorsement, even though he hasn't even said he's running yet? >> yeah, i love when my twobea s actually collide and on the one hand you have reaction from desantis downplaying what's happening in ukraine. and it's important to small "d," democratic values but others to notch the congressional endorsements specifically from texas congressman chip roy who just sent out an email to supporters on his campaign site saying he thinks desantis is the future of the party for many policy reasons but also because of a proven electability factor. the fact that he was not only able to win by 19 point misflorida, but play with the demographic shifts that we've seen in the last ten or so years in the sunshine state, the fact that he was able to capitalize

on that is really the larger credibility argument that the congressman is leaning on when he endorses someone who, you're right, isn't even in the race yet. the thing about the ukraine cycle, i've been talking to senators on the hill, the thing that strikes me this is the most trumpian thing that desantis has been able to do thus far in that, it's less about the policy and more about shaping the entire news cycle. i know tim will viscerally member this from 2016, when you're the person who can set the parameters of the debate, when you're the person who can drive the news cycle, that's what trump did in 2016 it puts everyone else on defense, making you a leader in the party. whether people are agreeing or disagreeing with you is a moot point because desantis is clearly at a juncture that everyone on capitol hill out to the campaign trail have to pay attention to this has been true for the last few weeks i think this news

cycle crystallized it for me, this is someone again, disagree or agree, is shaping the party >> jnonathan, given the fact we have acknowledged concerns over china have risen, where you stand on moscow, where you stand and view vladimir putin matters to a lot ofauot of voters and i wonder if you think maybe these remarks are getting viewed in moscow, does it give putin the reason to think maybe he doesn't have to drag this war out. maybe just wait until november 2024 >> oh, thing the words were very well received in the kremlin for that point if you're vladimir putin, we know he pays attention to american politics, and we know has meddled in american politics before, at least on occasion he sees right now the two leading contenders for republican nomination for

president, donald trump and ron desantis and the polls suggest they're far ahead to each other and the question is that the u.s. should not be involved in this conflict. territorial dispute that diminishes what this is, this is invasion of a sovereign nation russia invaded ukraine to say this now has downplayed it and we certainly know trump has repeatedly praised putin if you are putin, maybe that's it, you think i can continue this war attrition until november of 2024 then i've got a decent chance of someone at the white house who might quite frankly cut support to ukraine and president zelenskyy. in the short term, we've heard some republican senators who really denounce what desantis said, this might give life to those on the hill, in the house who think that u.s. funding should be curtailed at this moment, even this year, later this year.

so, yeah, this is well received in the kremlin as far as voters at home, certainly, foreign policy is often not a defining issue for american election but we certainly know polls reflect u.s. voters largely supportive of kyiv, but faded a bit in recent months as they question the amount of money we're sending. >> let's talk about that, and mitt romney put out a statement saying it is in america's interest to support ukraine. if russia were able to conquer, brutalize and subjugate ukraine with impurity, expect it to wage war again, and expect those wars to damage our economy. having said at that, look at, jonathan, the polls, 17% said the u.s. is doing too much to help ukraine and then in january, it's at 40%. is desantis simply reflecting the movement in the party?

>> what a great statement from mitt romney, by the way. that's refreshing and we could use more of that, clear-eyed assessment of what's happening in ukraine but, yeah, look, i think the key numbers there, is the group of people who felt we weren't doing enough to help ukraine, that's 17%, right so that is basically the pool of the party that you had the nikki haleys and mike pompeos and mike pences all fighting over that's obviously not enough to win a primary. the question question, that middle group, the group that's about right. to jonathan's point, foreign policy isn't their top issue they're malleable based on what they're getting from the media environment. i do think if it was still a place where mitt romney controlled the party and the fox news prime time hosts are saying we need to be stronger and joe biden is a little weak on ukraine, i think you could see that middle group move more into

that camp but that's not what they're getting. the leaders of the party, ron desantis, donald trump and tucker carlson are molding the party. in one sense, desantis is following the party. to get another sense, these voters are being led by the most influential people in the party to a stance that maybe they wouldn't have otherwise. >> if that's true, jonathan, does that not leave an opening to someone else, a moderate like sununu, or maybe somebody like glenn youngkin, we've been hearing, he's heading to dallas and meeting with a billionaire obviously, it helps to have friends in high places if you're thinking of running for president, which he may be, but there is room for a moderate at any stripe >> i'm not sure i see it liz cheney being the best example, sitting on the january 6th committee and then being

trounced, trounced by 30, 40 points in her primary in wyoming. certainly, there are people, and you just played the montage of senators who have a more mainstream view, what we consider traditional republican view of foreign policy and those republicans still exist, no doubt. but they're outnumbered. and i also think that even if there are some republican voters who might share those views, they still largely agree with trump, or desantis on everything else it does seem at least at the moment, like the next election on the right is going to be fought on the cultural wars. it's going to be fought in prime time on fox news it's going to be fought in schools and societal issues and fought far less on foreign policy yeah, this is an issue and a significant one. but i'm not sure it's one that's going to determine an election and i don't think it's enough of one to give life to a more moderate republican candidate for president. that person would be a significant underdog to the

likes of trump and desantis. >> yeah, the big question is, are there lanes to be filled, or there's one lane and it's already filled ali vitali, jonathan lemire, tim miller, great to have you on we've got breaking news from texas, that high-stakes court hearing with potential national complications as a conservative judge considers whether to order an abortion bill off the market, to have one judge rule over the fda would be unprecedented nbc's dasha burns just stepped out of the courthouse in amarillo, texas. this is the first we're hearing from anything at this hour what are we hearing at this moment, dasha? >> reporter: hey, chris, that word "unprecedented" was just several times by the fda which is the government. and let me just walk you inside, we just heard from the plaintiffs they were allotted two hours to

speak. they spoke for an hour and a half, saving that last half hour for rebuttal at the very end then the court went to break those inside the court were not allowed to leave the building during the break otherwise, i promise i would have been out here talking to you. if we had left, we would not be allowed to go back inside. after the break, we had the defense come out and address the court. they had the lawyers for the department of justice, for the fda speak. i stepped out about halfway through the presentation from the government and, again, in their arguments, they said that if the judge did rule in favor of the plaintiffs in this case, and issue the preliminary injunction which, as you said, chris, would take mifepristone, if they took that off, it could extend the status quo and argue it could cause

significant harm the fda has approved this drug over 20 years ago. the argument on behalf of the government is this would be just an unprecedented and extraordinary measure. to take a drug off the market has been used by people who are for over two decades now, the plaintiffs in the case argue that the fda should never have approved the drug in the first place. they say that they did not adequately evaluate its safety and there's another piece of this argument. just bear with me for a second because this is going to have significant impacts depending on how the judge rules here one is the question whether or not the fda should have approved this drug. the other is regard something of the changes that the fda made, in terms of regulating medication abortion over the course of the last several years. they did sort of loosen restrictions around who can prescribe the drug and recently in 2021, during the pandemic, allowed the drug to be

prescribed via telehealth which is an option a lot of folks have been using and this essentially would impact those in rural areas are, the folks that are part of minority groups. the people that are often impacted by these sorts of decisions. so, we don't know when the judge will rule. the arguments are expected to finish up in an hour or so but again, jut to emphasize, this hearing today is about the preliminary injunction request on behalf of the plaintiffs, in this case, which is asking the judge to compel the fda to pull mifepristone off the market as soon as possible we don't know if he'll rule today at the end of this hearing or rule tomorrow or in the coming weeks we're going to keep an eye on all of this and give you updates as we get them here, chris >> so, we know this is all playing out under a very watchful america this has gotten a tremendous amount of attention.

tell us a little bit about this judge and why this has many people who are pro-choice so nervous. >> reporter: well, the critics of the case overall, the folks that are in favor of abortion rights have accused the plaintiffs, in this case, of doing what is called forum shopping which is essentially, intentionally filing the case in this district knowing it would go before this judge, who is a conservative judge, he was appointed by former president trump, so that makes abortion rights advocates nervous because of his history of conservative-leaning decisions the other factor at play, chris, we didn't find out about this hearing until a couple days ago. in fact, this judge intended for media and the public to not find out about this hearing until just last night. he held a status conference on friday with lawyers from both sides of the case. told them that this hearing was going to be scheduled for wednesday. but he did not put it on the docket, which is where the

public can see what's scheduled to go before the court here. he told lawyers in the case to not publicize that this hearing was happening. his argument was around safety concerns, around threats that he says the division has received but critics have accused him of secrecy, of unconstitutional action in terms of hiding, what they say is hiding this hearing from the public. and it was only after that pressure from media and the public that we actually learned this was happening today and were able to be here, chris. >> if i can ask you briefly, take us inside the mood, inside that courtroom, given the stakes and was the judge asking a lot of questions was he interrupting the presentation tell us what it was like to be in there >> reporter: yeah, it was a very solemn, serious mood all parties seemed to really understand the stakes in this case it wasn't just -- the judge did get involved quite a bit, he was asking questions of both the plaintiffs and the defendants.

when the plaintiffs were presenting, he seemed to sort of -- the best way to put it i would say, to put a finer point on some of their arguments sort of clarify what the plaintiffs' arguments are. when the defense was presenting from what i saw over the last hour or so, he did press them to -- to sort of fortify, to calcify, their arguments, to make clear how the plaintiffs' arguments do not undercut their case in terms of the safety and effectiveness. one thing he really focused in on, chris, was what he called intervening events, meaning the changes that the fda made in 2016 and in 2022, to, again, change some of the rules and regulations around the prescribing of this drug which makes me think that might be a key area, when we do eventually get a ruling, that we will get some -- some kind of decision on

that question. around prescribing this drug via telemedicine around who can prescribe that drug those are some of the issues that the plaintiffs in this case -- they want to roll back some of those changes that the fda made, chris. >> again, no devices allowed in that courtroom this is the first we're hearing about these critical arguments that are still under way dasha burns, we appreciate you coming out and talking to us just now banking fears spread we'll check on the markets as we get new details about the fbi team leading the investigation into silicon valley bank severe weather pummeling the u.s. from east to west, with more rain on the way for flood-ravaged california we have the latest forecast. from movies to golf courses to bowling lanes, the new approach to pricing that might just leave you with sticker shock. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc

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credit suisse has a major presence here in the u.s and meantime, a senior law enforcement official tells nbc that an investigation into the collapse of sscv, and let's brin in brian chung and ken dilanian. what is going on, brian, with credit suisse. >> this is a swiss bank that has substantial presence here in the united states. this is a bank that's had liquidity issues there's been credits falling away from the bank in the last quarter or so. and, by the way, these are concerns that kind of predated the issues at silicon valley bank over the weekend. this is a bank that has another scandal which admitting themselves that they have some material weaknesses in wait they've been reporting their financials so this is a firm that has had issues historically. but again, the stock down 21% just today you see investors really concerned about that particular

firm >> speaking of stock, ken, you're reporting part of the investigation into the silicon valley bank is going to be about stock. and stock that was sold in particular by executives ahead of the closing of that bank. our friends at cnbc point out that executives have old $84 million. ceo greg becker cashed in $3 million a week before the failure. almost $30 million in the past two years. so, what are your sources telling you about the overall investigation? >> they're saying that the fbi and s.e.c. has to take a look at any illegal information would be moved to in stock sales. and a plan that was executed in january, nonetheless, that stock is worthless at this point at one point it was worth $300 a share. the government has to look and make sure nobody traded on improper, inside information and if they did that, they broke the law and that would be a problem. >> how implicates are those types of cases?

>> you know, the fbi has the data it's easy to determine exactly what was sold and when the question of motive, that is complicated. it hinges on wiretaps which probably don't exist in this case, but proving motive >> what did they know. you start with svb, but now you're looking at global concerns now do they complicate the job of the federal reserve which everyone is waiting to see what they're going to do about interest rates again >> yeah, certainly doesn't make it easier. it's going to make it harder >> why is it harder? a hard decision, nobody cares if it's a hard decision for the fed. what we want to know how is it likely to impact them? >> again, the federal reserve has been in this way of trying to solve inflation with the talking ground at wall street right now in terms of raising interest rates maybe they don't get the job done on

inflation that fast. so that is something that the american people will continue to feel at the store as they continue to see high prices. if the federal reserve didn't fully hit the brakes on inflation because of what's happening in the finance sector, high prices is something that americans have to deal with. >> a little bit of pressure. >> yeah, little bit. >> glad to have you both here. thank you. i have a feeling we'll be talking more about this in the days ahead after a series of dangerous close calls how safe is it to fly? a former faa administrator will join me next realtor.com to find options within your budget. good luck young man. realtor.com to each their home.

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>> in an exclusive interview, the faa acting administrator said flying is safe but warning of complacency >> we've had incidents over the last week that leads us to say let's stop, are we missing anything, is there anything that we should be doing different and remind ourselves, always, always, that we can never become complacent and take the incredible safety record for granted. >> joining me lindseyreiser wh has been following the faa and former faa administrator randy babbitt. lin lindsey, it's not just planes we saw that incredible passenger where somebody died what is the faa hoping to accomplish with the summit >> they're calling this a call for vigilance, a wake-up call here you can see why, when you look

at incidents, we've had six near-misses, chris, including the one you mentioned. planes on runways, one not having clearance to be on it and landing as an example. what you mentioned a business jet, they had really bad turbulence, someone died on southwest lufthansa, and the cell phone video from the flight of which a man used it in a makeshift way for flight attendants the experts have point the out the system is strapped because of covid, a lot of airlines, people took early retirement packages not only do they have staffing issues, but they have a really new workforce and calling for training and the rebound of the travel industry that they weren't expecting so quickly here's what the aviation president said today >> it's not just new pilots, everybody, controllers, ground

people in this post-covid rapid recovery, there's just so much going on, i'm very refreshed to ma hear all of the emphasis on training because i couldn't agree more in this environment, you have so many people, fast upgrades, new people flying with each other. >> chris, the faa acting administrator said they're on track to hire 1500 air traffic controllers, 1800. >> all new >> new, exactly. we're trying to alleviate that and more calls for funding from the fda. some said the funding right now is piecemeal they want to see long-term funding packages to help chris, i spoke with flight attendants who are more concerned what is happening on board with the unruly passengers they want to see a no-fly list sole the violent offenders aren't just banned on one airline, banned on all they want to see on-the-job

self-defense training, it's voluntary, they have to do it on their own time >> when you talked to the faa administrator, he replied it's a cluster, about two a month, he insists flying is safe do you think that people have reason to be nervous >> well, flying is zefldefinitey safe, we've had an incredible record of safety over the years. and it's come from the management systems, people paying attention but whenever you see a rash of incidents like this, i call them yellow blinking lights the caution lights are on. we need to revisit and it was spoken about earlier, we wound this industry from covid down to 20% of its size with access to employees now, that we've restored it and it was put out very well, we've got a lot of people either they were off for a while or new hires. whether they be controllers,

pilots, flight attendants throughout the industry. and i think the faa was wide to call the call to action. let's take a look at this, commonality here what is going on some of them are simple encroachments into the safety area where you don't want two airplanes closer than. but that's a warning sign, too when you see too many of those, what are we doing? are we trying to move too much traffic, you know, without the proper dialogue? you know, this will come out with more investigation. >> you know, there was an op-ed today in "the washington post" by the former president of the airlines pilots association. he says that airline safety is actually at a breaking point, quoter the number, nature and potential tragedy of the results involved are unacceptable and concerning we cannot wait for our ageing and understaffed infrastructure to break and a tragedy to occur to demand action we cannot rely on luck and quick

thinking to keep our skies safe. whether you think it's that much of a wake-up call that's needed, what can and should be done quickly? >> well, i think the call to action is a great first step you know, i think we all -- all of these processes have safety management systems and those systems are designed with a coalition of right people the industry of people themselves the employees, the unions and the faa. they set guidelines. is it time to revisit those, re-emphasize those you know, safety is not a factor safety is something you do every day. it has to become part of your operational existence. and sometimes, you need to refresh people's memories of that and, you know, just revisit. the other point and captain moak made a very good point, i heard that editorial, this point was well made on the infrastructure side

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stretch gun laws as far as his presidential powers will let him. even while acknowledging he can only do so much without congress' help >> the meantime, my executive order directs my attorney general to take over action possible to move us as close as we can to universal background checks without new legislation i just -- it's common sense to check whether someone is a felon, domestic abuser before they buy a gun. >> california attorney general rob bonta was at that event with joe biden. he joins me now. it's good to have you here >> thank you >> look, i'm curious what you think this can accomplish, this increase in background checks. i'm asking that in particular because we've had a number of mass shootings recently where we were told that the gun was legally purchased. so how far can that go in helping keep guns out of people who use them for really dangerous purposes? >> this is massive, what the

president has proposed here. actually what he's done through his executive order, because it provides a nationwide floor of gun safety policies that will apply everywhere right now, we have various states with different approaches and the executive order is full of evidence-based, data-based approached that we know work background checks work and he's moving as far as he can towards universal background checks as fast as possible background checks hand they get guns out of the hands of somebody. we shouldn't be getting guns to kids make sure we have appropriate oversight of gun dealers who violate the law. so this is a pretty robust and far-reaching set of data-proven, data-tested, evidence-based approaches that will follow. you got to have the policy when

this order says it will save lives. >> your state has the tightest gun laws in the country, it's one of eight that ban assault weapons, something the president keeps pushing for. what do you say to those who might argue none of that has stopped mass shootings in your indicate you've had 12 thus far therefore, the argument goes, those laws can't be very effective? >> i say that the data and evidence does not lie. that california has the strongest gun laws, gun safety laws in the nation, and one of the lowest firearm mortality rates in the nation. 58% lower child firearm mortality rate than the national average. one is because of the other. our gun laws have made us safer. are they perfect are we immune to america's disease of gun is violence no but they have saved countless lives. and if more states in the federal government did what california has done, followed our blueprint, universal background checks, assault

weapons ban, large-capacity magazine ban robust use of red flag laws, more lives would be saved throughout this nation so, we need less kneeling at the altar of the nra, where we care more about the nra and money and guns than we do about children and children's lives we need more common sense. and more courage, and this is not a mystery. this is not hard follow california's lead, and we'll all be safer it's as simple as that >> even among parents who agree with your point of view on where gun laws should go, there's a concern, right they understand there is a house that's run by republicans, that the fight that has been had over and over again, and has not been as successful as joe biden or democratic presidents before him would like it to have been and so they're wondering how do i keep my kids safe, right we found a story out of alabama, where $120,000 on two white boards and when they weren't

being used as white boards they turned into bulletproof shelters is that what needs to happen between now and when some of these national laws maybe get passed >> let me answer that in a couple different ways. first, we cannot give up pushing in congress. congress is not absolved of their responsibility to act. if they have courage and common sense, they will act they did with the bipartisan safer communities act. they did for decades and they should do more at the congressional level. when you're talking about things like white boards that turn into gun safety shelters or arming teachers with guns, or all of the active shooter drills that we have that increase the fear and anxiety of our children, i think you need to ask yourself where are your priorities.

we know what can stop the gun violence, what can stop the mass shootings, do all of those places where they're using those shelters do they have universal background checks? do they have red flag laws large magazine bans, assault weapons ban, that's what will work that's what the data says will save children's lives. we got to have our priorities straight and strength of our convictions to act here. >> california attorney general rob bonta with the president today. thank you for taking your time power outages in the northeast. california communities under water, is this the new normal? and former trump fixer michael cohen resuming his testimony in the hush money probe. so what comes next, once he wraps up that's all ahead

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blanketed by what i understand is two feet of snow. doesn't look that high where you are. what's it like on the ground >> reporter: well, chris, worcester actually spans a fair amount of space here the county, the city so where i am is about 13 inches but in worcester hills they have about 30 inches. so well over two feet. and the challenge right now isn't so much the snow there's no more coming down now. it's that the wind combined with yesterday's heavy snow has piled up on top of things like lampposts and power lines and can continue to cause some issues here. the city has thankfully had about 325 trucks going all around the city, clearing as many streets as they can, even as it was continually snowing. they just didn't want that sticky build-up making it unsafe for people and as a matter of caution things were still a bit delayed this morning school got started two hours late people are still teleworking in many cases from the residents that i've talked to. but now things are starting to

get back to normal yesterday here in massachusetts about 62,000 people were without power. now we're down to almost zero. but across new england as you mentioned there are still tens of thousands of people waiting to get back to normal. you know, the one good thing about this region of the country is these are people who are used to snowstorms. this was the first big nor'easter of this season. but usually people who've lived here they have things like backup generators, they're ready, they keep food and extra supplies and batteries and flashlights during the winter time so many of the people who i spoke to say that today they're getting back and they're getting themselves to work, to school and feel like by tomorrow morning things are going to be business as usual here, chris. >> knock on wood antonia hylton, thanks for braving the storm for us we appreciate it how's this for sticker shock? two bowling lanes for two hours, $418.90. call it dynamic pricing, surge pricing. where it's happening and why and the difference it's making

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fair warning it may be coming your way. a sometimes shocking spike in prices for things like movie tickets, bowling, golf here's nbc's sam brock >> reporter: from movie theaters to the links and even bowling alleys the cost of a family outing at certain times is surging. it's a practice industry insiders call dynamic pricing, where some businesses charge customers at least 20% to 35% more based on demand, location, even time of day similar to what caused a swift rift between ticketmaster and taylor swift fans. >> oh, my gosh we spent $899 per ticket dynamic pricing is the worst >> reporter: but those fluctuating prices are now going beyond concert tickets and theme parks, flooding everyday activities as reported by the

"wall street journal." with some bowling alleys striking at people's pocketbooks. jolene theory wanted to treat her family but the price of one lane for her party of eight, 500 bucks, left her jaw in a 7-10 split. >> at the end of the day bowling is not an activity that we'll keep on our agenda anymore >> reporter: at miami lakes golf club a prime weekend tee time of $140 could be twice the price of teeing off on a weekday afternoon. great for someone like david plunkett >> how does it work to your benefit? >> fortunately, i'm not a guy who has to golf at a certain time i work in a business where i'm fle flexible >> reporter: the miami lakes golf director says they borrowed the strategy from their hotel business next door >> our revenue from golf rounds alone increased by over 47%. >> reporter: meanwhile, movie theater chain amc is double dipping on dynamic pricing, charging more for the evening shows than the matinees, which are 30% cheaper, and in some cities they also charge extra for seats with a preferred sightline. for marco and ariana garcia they've done father-daughter

movie dates since she was a kid. >> i prefer coming at night instead but i guess like the practicality of it, it's better during the day >> reporter: experts say more businesses are tracking consumer spending habits to determine when or even what to charge more for. >> if you know that consumers demand a product or a service during certain times, it will allow you to calculate the willingness to pay more. >> reporter: to avoid the sticker shock of dynamic pricing check online for promo codes and discounts that can offset peak pricing. look for loyalty programs that will allow you to lock in standard rates and if you want to dodge sticker shock book that water park or tee time as far out as possible to make the most of your buck without paying a premium sam brock, nbc news. >> wow okay we've got a lot to cover in the second hour of "chris jansing reports. let's get right to it.