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lawyer is testifying in a matter of hush payments in a federal court in west texas behind closed doors, no cameras, no audio recordings. we start there because what happens in this courtroom and this judge decides could ultimately have consequences for every single woman and every single family in america oral arguments took place in a case brought by anti-abortion groups challenges the completely legal, completely safe long-ago

approved routine and decades old use of medication for abortion those groups today asked a judge to order a stop to the use of an abortion pill as their case makes its way through the courts it's reported at the hearing the judge, quote, asked government lawyers on wednesday about what he characterized as an accelerated process for approving one of two drugs used in most pregnancy terminations nationwide in response the justice department lawyer said there's tremendous evidence showing this pill as safe, even when a doctor does not administer it it's unclor whear when the judgl make a ruling. if he does and decides to deny the pill, it will have widespread disruptions in states like colorado and

iowa, maine, nebraska and wyoming, the share of abortions done with medication was 70% or higher the ruling would also be completely unprecedented from a legal and medical standpoint if u.s. district judge matthew kasmaryk, it would be the first time a judge orders the withholding of a medication, despite opposition from the fda and the drug's manufacturer. none of this is an accident. it's all part and parcel of the right wing's maniacal strategic efforts to gain the legal system in order to advance an extreme anti-choice agenda through the courts and opposition to public will as the texas tribune reports,

when anti-abortion groups wanted to challenge an abortion-inducing drug, they did not file the lawsuit in maryland where the fda is headquartered or in any state where the pill is still legally prescribed. they filed it in amarillo, the texas city that didn't have an abortion clinic even before the state banned the procedure but it does have a course with u.s. district judge hears 95% of the cases. he reinstated the trump mexico policy he struck down protecting lgbtq workers and trans youth and ruled that a program giving teens confidential contraception violated federal law

the president of naral pro-choice america is back and also michelle goodwin, specializing in repro duductive rights and our legal correspondent and senior editor for "slate", the host of the amicus podcast i have a tickle in my throat, so if you hear me clearing my throw, just carry on without me. mini, i start with you on the stakes of this hearing >> as you summarized really nicely, it's unprecedented we knew going into this day that the judge was really biased towards our cause. he's notorious for being quite activist on these issues coming from the liberty institute he was appointed by the trump

administration specifically around issues like this. so we knew coming into today the outlook looked grim. from what we're hearing from the courtroom, we understand that he has remained very open to frankly the really crazy arguments coming from the plaintiff. we understand that he is willing and open to upending 20 years of precedent from the fda and that's a terrifying prospect but we're not surprised. we're ready for this day, working with democratic lawmakers across the country to get ready for a terrible outcome. >> so you know what, michelle, let me do this and i really apologize. we are going to put a pin in this we will be back. we want to show our viewers this live picture of michael cohen leaving his grand jury testimony. >> i answered every question asked of me by the district

attorney's office -- [ no audio ] >> it looks like there's not a clean shot here. this is -- as we warned all of you, we're multi-tasking today on live tv, which is always dicey as a proposition michael cohen has just left his second grand jury testimony session, it's believed to be his last we're having some trouble processing that feed we're going to listen to it live and bring that to you in a moment but, michelle, i wanted to come back to you. on this forum shopping, this totally detached from public opinion, even republican opi opinions in america, they're finding this one extreme judge in amarillo judge in texas how do we solve that not happening for women in this country?

>> well, it reflects something that dalia wrote about that there's a type of lawlessness that is now part of the american judiciary that has infected it this is in part why there's such a low approval rating of the united states supreme court. that is that americans have lost confidence and faith in the dignity and legitimacy of our courts, the perception that they've turned into or leaned into engaging in politics rather than doing the work of the judiciary. and in this days, to your point, it's going to be hard to work around as you mentioned, this is a type of forum shopping that you described so well and it's very likely that we will see more of this the former president, donald trump, made clear he only wanted to appoint judges and justices that would seek to overtime roe v. wade, planned parenthood v.

casey and said he was willing to see women being punished who wanted to have abortions we could look at texas and south carolina where there's been a call for the death penalty for people who want to be able to terminate a pregnancy. when we see a drug like this so deeply politicized when it is incredibly safe and in a country where a woman is 14 times for likely to die by carrying a pregnancy to term than have an abortion, we see the lawlessness that dalia wrote about, the cruelty hyped thebehind these le see judges leaving the judiciary. it's particularly disconcerting what more might come after this, including transgender affirming medication or any kind of medication that a group now finds to be offensive to their

sensibilities. >> it's not without a political consequence. the supreme court has become a political dead weight on the right where it once animated the right, it is now a liability 58% of americans disapprove of the united states supreme court. all of the ballot initiatives went for the side that favored choice, not for the anti-choice zealots who are behind this movement what is different and i think what people understand is that roe and casey were not decided by justices appointed by democrats, they were decided by justices appointed by democrats and republicans. that's why it maintains 67% approval through much of our modern political conversation. and i have tried to straddle the today tragedy for women who are having to deal with this, but there is a longer term tactonic

shift in the property that is all ominous for republicans. >> it's true and i think in some sense if you remember all the way back to june when dobbs was decided, we were promised both just alito's majority opinion and in justice kavanaugh g's concurrence this was going to go back to the states, the courts were going to get out of the way and the problem would kind of disappear because it would all be decided as it should be properly in the states and sudden li suddenly we have a nationwide ban that could happen. medication abortion count for about 54% of abortions, so this is really i think in some sense puts to the lie the notion that it was going to be enough to send this back to the states it was never enough. we are heading inexorably personh personhood amendments and

earlier bans and it's also worth saying we are heading towards more and more cruelty and punitive measures toward the pregnant people who will suffer and so this is not a kind of a clinical dispassionate the court somehow asserting a principle about state rights that doesn't affect anybody people were start enough to see then and certainly smart enough to see now that the end game here is not just abortion but also contraception and, as michelle says, also other rights that are embedded in these notions of privacy and bodily autonomy so i think you're quite right. i think the court has been on a collision course with public opinion since the start of dobbs and what's clear is that renegade judges and renegade groups that don't care that the court is on a collision course with public opinion are nevertheless doubling down, doubling down and doubling down again. >> doctor, let's go back to the

real world impact for women today. because our politics are painfully slow to catch up with these catastrophic policies and legal decisions. tell me the state of play right now for access to medical abortions and then tell me what happens if this is -- i don't know what we call it, unapproved, disproved, taken with fda approval withdrawn? that has never happened before for a non-medical purpose. no non-medical case has ever been made for any drug and that this drug is safer than none other than viagra and tylenol. there are the medical facts. take me through the reality, doctor >> you're right. there is no phrase that we can easily call up because this just hasn't it would be basically an injunction and deeming that approval does not stand. we would have no ability to use the drug, prescribed the drug.

i talked to doctors who said they're going to try to consider stockpiling it in the event we have the injunction moving forward, as many of us expect. but the reality on the ground is one of confusion, especially if you're in many of the states right now where doctors can have criminal or civil or any sort of penalties weighed against them, if if they're counseling women on how to aefl seek an abortion. and and president biden made it easier to get medication the fda on the one hand is saying this is not just safe and effective but since 2000 we've had 23 years of data on the safety of this drug and you should be able to get it at a retail pharmacy only if you live in a state that allows you to do it, which is something that we've talked about that's the reality on the ground

today that we're preparing for expanded access and at the same time ironically, you have doctors who are talking about stockpiling this very drug because we don't know what would happen in texas that could have national ramifications and i'll just offer -- i can't help but the policy person in me -- i want to make it clear there was a 54-month review period for this drug when every other drug of the year for 2000 had a median of 15 months for approval time. anyone who wants to talk about this being rushed or accelerated, they need to get their facts straight >> i wouldn't worry about the right arguing in good faith. it is some of the same people who are giant fans of ivermectin it's interesting to me where 67%

of americans are disturbed with the overturning on roe but even republicans, 97% of all americans, which is a fast majority of republicans oppose these extreatme bans which eliminate exception for the health of the mother or in cases of rape and incest the extreme movement has kicked out the rest of the right wing from the car they are driving these policies and that is exactly how we ended up here today. i wonder how you make sure that people know that this isn't a right-left, this is the fringiest part of the right against the rest of the country. >> you make such a good point. and the way that we're do that is we're just very clear and unequivocal about the who bad actors are in this situation that's why it's so important there has been in-depth press

coverage on who this judge is, who their organization is, the conversation on forum shopping but more importantly, it's really important for us as advocates to drive the contrast between states where we have reproductive freedom champions look what happened in michigan, look what's happening in california, minnesota, colorado within p where they're protecting and expanding access and what's happening in places like texas and florida where we're seeing rapid decline and scary consequences for those citizens, where it's a really dangerous place to be a pregnant person and look, we're waiting for reasonable moderate republicans to protest the actions of their colleagues and i've yet to see it happen. until that happens, we're perf perfectly happy highlighting the

extremes >> i remember that there are a lot of republicans getting their butts kicked by the women in their life i think as a political matter, this doesn't abate because it's off the front pages. this is life now this is life for young people in college, where you dp to college. you're not unaware of what the abortion bans are. this is life now for any father raising a a daughter in this she isn't sure whether she'll be able to have children ever when the reality is so extreme, she almost died of acceptis. i wonder if you can take us through the stories we're not hearing about. what kind of stories do you get from people who are just scared of this new normal >> yeah, i think that many of the people that i talked to and also physicians and the teams around all of the patients that they want to take care of,

number one, just the misinformation they can and can't have access to is scaring enough people such that they won't even seek information when their health is at stake because they are having certain kinds of symptoms you talk about sepsis. your body starts to tell you these signals. many of the physicians in this suit to have the injunction and stop dispensing the medication, that's what many women are worried about. many women ask me how can i figure out if i will get a physician who will be sympathetic to my question, my circumstances? i enjourj doctor shopping, but this is a whole new level of how do you even have a conversation and iing women using code word and code language. i thought that was something i

would read about in history books. i didn't think it was something i would have to do now and it's not just the womennd. >> if their daughters need help, what access can they get this is happening in washington, d.c. and maryland and states all around the country, even in states where everything is enshrined and protected, people are very concerned i hope that rez p resonates behind the headlines that this is people', you are absolutely at the timing and that's what we don't understand hichlt well, the fear factor extends into corporate america i mean, michelle, we have one of the three major sort of drugstore chains in the country

already already acting afraid of not just the right but the far right, fringiest part of the anti-right movement. it feels like the intemperature tim dags and extremism is having at least some of its desired effect >> and that is the point, it is to chill conduct in every way. it's to make those who are corporate leaders afraid to do business in certain states it is meant to chill the conduct of patients that otherwise would want to see their doctors, whether they're trying to terminate a pregnancy. who will go and seek prepatagonia because you might be vulnerable to a miscarriage because you had them before and you fear showing up with a miscarriage, you suddenly become no longer pregnant, the near fear that you had and it meant

to instill fear in doctors, who do they're not providing the care when and in cases of are where the health and safety of their baby is at risk because those doctors may fear losing a medical license, may fear punishment of 9 years in jail, might fear a fine of $100,000. now, i mentioned texas, but it's not only texas that has effect b enacted the kind of bans, has gone so far as to improgs of ind. fearful and they know they've had miscarriages in the back or have had risk and let me just say this, we've seen this

playbook before. i can't help but think about the fear that people had living in states that were either and how that fear also manifested once they left, having to look over their hold are and then these dates, what have these legislators done to enact legislation that would actually embolden person and trying to get to the freedom of bodily you a tn many i mean, they are codifying hunting moum are i mean, that, if and what i think is so insidious is that the effort to divide women among pro-choice and pro-life lines is absolutely horse poop. when you are pregnant with a baby that is no longer baby, you

are so pro-life, especially for that baby. i mean, willow was the daughter lost by amanda and the idea that the extremes is now been outed as being or that you have don't ever want to have a can chools in pursuit of making women second class citizens, they don't care if women like amanda lose the ability to reproduce. and i wonder, dalia, if is aware that the . >> i'm not sure that as you say, same middle has any sort of traction in this conversation. it appears to be entirely driven by increasingly, increasingly, you know, extreme actors and i guess i would just say one

other thing. in addition to chilling anybody who wants to get any health care, right, michelle's who are suddenly not valuable be and it's chilling anyone who wants to help them so we just m a lawsuit filed in affection as where people are being suld p sued for $1 million each for being on a text chain helping somebody get but to isolate vulnerable people exactly the moment when they need good medical and legal and they are people to whom they confess won't tell them the truth. it is so profoundly dangerous that you're write right, the idea that republicans en masse

but i think as everybody's been saying on this panel, the terrorizing women is the point and the many the uncertainty is very much the point. >> it's an unbelievable state of affairs. i never -- and maybe i have. we're so grateful to all of you. to be continued. you're the very best people have this conservative hib coming up, the manhattan even and the winter at the center of the scandal from the beginning, stormy daniels hers, has talked.

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see if your business may qualify. go to getrefunds.com. >> now we turn back to breaking news on the air today. michael cohen has just finished a second day of testimony in the case of porn star stormy daniels. here's what he said just a few minutes ago. >> thank you all again for spending so much time waiting.

let me just say that i'm relieved that my role is now for the time being over. i have complied with every request that was asked of me by the district attorney's office so that they could review this case as best as they possibly can. and at the end of the day, i complied with everything and now it's in the hand of our district attorney and his competent team. >> reporter: what is your message -- >> that's all mike em's going to say about anything we've done our work together and i'd like to make a personal comment. i met michael when he had decided to tell the truth and faced consequences he could have decided otherwise the way some have and been pardoned instead he told the truth, he did his time and he took responsibility and he's here

still telling the truth. the second point i'd like to make to all the commentators and all the pundits. you do not have information, you are speculating. what we know with a certainty is that the federal prosecutors working for donald trump in 2018 said in writing publicly donald trump directed federal prosecutors working for donald trump to make hush money payments and then they were falsely put on the books michael cohen took responsibility and now it's in the hands of justice and equal justice under the law. >> p. >> reporter: are you calling him a liar >> we're not going to go any further.

>> reporter: i spoke to prosecutors today. what do you have make of that? >> we don't know that. >> reporter: her attorney says they spoke to prosecutors. she was forthcoming, as michael said she had been. >> so we don't know anything about that and we have nothing to say about it if we did. >> reporter: will you testify at trial if called? >> if called, absolutely as i said, i've made a commitment to the district attorney that i would continue to provide any information and any cooperation that they need >> attorneys say that the d.a. had backed himself into a corner what do you make of that >> so i know mr. trump's attorney and i've seen his television performances and he's a very effective attorney, but what he doesn't have are facts we know what the facts are his client doesn't tell him the facts. he's famous for doing the opposite so he has my sympathy representing a client who is

known not to know what the truth is >> how certain are you the district attorney will move forward? >> i'm not certain at all. i'm certain they've been very thorough and factual with michael asking him to tell them the truth and the facts. we don't have any prediction on what they're going to do, but we're pretty confident that michael has done a good job in telling them the truth >> reporter: do you feel vindicated >> this isn't a question of vindication, it's not a question, as i stated before, about revenge. my position is at the end of the day donald trump needs to be held accountable for his dirty deeds if in fact that's the way that the facts play out. plain and simple, this is not about him, this is about holding accountability, truth to power and everything else in between

>> reporter: what do you make of trump calling himself an extortion victim >> again, i want comment on what he wants to call himself many of us call him many different things >> reporter: do you think you have provided the most complete account to the episode to the district attorney and the grand jury >> oh, i'm certain of that >> do you think -- >> i don't want to comment we all know the facts and the facts do not support mr. trump's statements. >> reporter: right to democracy in your opinion? >> i don't want to comment on donald at this point my hope is that the american people see fit to call him out for the things that he's doing, the thing that he says i would prefer somebody else over donald trump, yes >> reporter: and what is your message to the republican party? >> think twice thank you, gentlemen

>> reporter: about how long did the testimony last today in. >> about a couple of hours >> reporter: were there personal questions from the jurors themselves >> yes >> reporter: how many? >> each and every one. >> i thank you all sorry for the call >> an astute reporter getting in some personal details at the end, the testimony lasted i think over a couple of hours i think what he said there was that each and every one of grand jurors asked him a question harry littman, what would the significance of that be if we heard that correctly >> that is an extremely active grand jury i've been in grand juries that maybe two, three, four people asked questions. if literally everyone did, that's up to 23 and they're probably all there, that is a very, very focused and cohesive because they're all sharing in the questioning grand jury special grand jury actually, as

i understand it. >> and what would the significance be of the duration with what he just said, a couple hours? >> well, look, this is the last step so now it's just a question of brag will he, in fact if there is an hour left, try to push the grand jury to actually return an indictment that's a final sort of summation and a draft indime it and after today they're talking about monday next. so the timing i think matters. if they have 20 minutes at the end, no chance if they have 90 minutes, very possible will sort of being up to what bragg wants. but i think if he does it today, there will be intense kind of hints and focus nd we'll likely no it by the close of the day. >> we're going to get into it more the next hour but he did

describe donald trump's lawyer as giving some effective performances my colleague ari melber did a masterful interview of him yesterday and it did very much look -- >> do you have to get that, harry? >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. >> that's okay i know we pull you in for huge chunks of time you're always welcome to tell us to hang on >> my bad. >> i think somebody once picked up the white house i think it was a reporter. >>. >> but my question is, it is clear and i imagine it's even clear to trump and his allies that what the other side has is perform tif. we dope and we don't know everything the story has seen. at least the outward facing signs from team trump look pretty heavy on bluster and sort

of t yes, and, you do not do this you go 180 degrees separate because everything he says and all the bluster, not of. lawyer but if sets the phone can come back to haunt him in court. and the other thing we know about this is it is not done casually so the lawyer is all in it looks like he is second. so maybe all we know is that right now it is the exact opposite what defendants, including famous defendants be and controversial cases will do. you can't find another case like this in which the strategy is bound up so -- is so braided together with a political

agenda it's as with always with interest. stormy daniels has reemerged in this news cycle as being willing to talk to this office what's the significance of that? do you think that are hichlt we've already spen many and they want the option not to put her in front of a regular jury remember, this is beyond a reasonable doubt and if things get caught up in is it clear beyond a reasonable doubt that they had an affair it seems to be a he said-she said point now that can to it's just the payout. if they didn't have an afarr

my best guess is they'll take the option if it goes to trial >> all i'm thinking about because i'll say it out lou is house of representatives and thank you very much. waiting around and not picking up your much more important calls and taking time to explain this breaking news to us we have much more and the story manying. and in the meantime, the trump/desantis, what do we call it, ma mosh pit prks and whatever it is, it's ongoing and it's app unbelievable political side show. this time a trump alied group filed an elt iks complaint against the florida governor,

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candidate ron desantis make america great again inc. is asking the florida commission on ethics to probe his, quote, shadow presidential campaign and whether certain decisions are unlawful because they serve his personal and political objectives and his personal financial gain at the extense of florida packs pair and are intended to influence hayes and chorly charles ear sykes charlie sykes, the audacity of this stops me in my tracks and i don't know if i want to give them any advice but isn't the clack back to have jim jordan subpoena jared kushner to his weaponization committee to find out just what he got from

the you eye lens and this is chapter 8,767,000 and the irony is dead, the saga we've been experiencing over the last seven years but if there was any doubt what a trump-desantis matchup would look like. his opening gambit was po this is going to be a bear knuckle kang match the one thing that we don't know is does he have a glass jab or is he so you sit and not having any daylight between the two that how he's going to try to bump this thing off. we don't know whether deisn't yas is going to be up for it >> what's amazing, donna and you

bite donald trump, what you get on your tongue is essex violations, ethics trespasses. he was a walking, talking annihilation he saw the state as an extension-is says something much more important about his mindset. he's says he's still king of the republican party so do me is only interesting in it. >> well, it was sointeresting, when you opened with pot meek ket al, i was thinking exactly the fact is, nicole, that donald trump has never actually ascribed to himself the things that we ascribe to him

and so he's not owning all the baggage that we're putting on him. we're saying he's as uneth california angd i think the challenge for desantis and others is while they continue not to want to say trump's name and engage with trump, trum is going to engage them and they're either going to look weak in the face of that or -- >> oh no we've lost done a everett. we're going to get dona back we'll going it this is almost an oxy more even his news of another sharedy in

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get directv with a two year price guarantee. new york republican congressman and admitted serial liar george santos filed paperwork this week that not only signals he could run for re-election, but at the very least will allow him to fund-raise and spend campaign money. that's amid several criminal investigations into him, all pursuing about a dozen leads about santos' business dealings and possible campaign finance violations one lead we learned today from "the new york times" is santos' brokering of a 2019 deal for a

$19 million super yacht purchased by a donor who had given more than $17,000 to santos' campaign and affiliated committees during those negotiations, santos continued to press for, quote, additional donations and financial help for his campaign. donna edwards and chairlie sykes are here it would appear george santos was selling yachts on the side >> yeah. it seems like he was trying to figure out a match for his donors with his business opportunities. all of which is just really crazy. look, george santos is going to find himself, i think, thrown out of congress before he can actually run for re-election i don't know who the donors are who are willing to have their names disclosed as contributors to a george santos re-election but that will be fascinating

the ethics committee is going to get ahold of him i suspect at the end of that investigation, they're going to recommend that he be removed from congress. that would be unprecedented. but i think that that's what's going to happen and that will be long before the election in 2024 >> charlie, the thing about santos that's interesting to me is it's a story about political gangrene the gop is so sick that they can't purge from its caucus this guy. >> that was my reaction as well. how easily he has slipped into this post ethical post shame republican party that he is actually learned the playbook never apologize. never acknowledge. do not quit. keep doubling down project your sins on to others obviously, he is an embarrassment for house republicans, but not enough to

get rid of him as long as they need his vote. he understands all of this it is interesting, the way in which george santos has internalized or decided that he is willing to exploit this new climate that donald trump has really created within the republican party or brought out. in the last segment, we have donald trump pretending that he cares about ethics he doesn't care about ethics it's all about projection. it's all about using it. someone like george santos is in so many ways the logical end point of all of this kind of the perfect quintessential product of this kind of post shame politics. the script writers have outdone themselves with this guy >> as you speak about the -- it's like donald trump and matt gaetz had a baby and that's where he came from thank you for spending time with us on these political headlines.

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let me just say that i'm relieved that my role is now, for the time being, over i have complied with ever request that was asked of me by the district attorney's office so that they could review this case as best as they possibly can. and at the end of the day, i

complied with everything now it's in the hands of our district attorney and his competent team >> hi, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york. michael cohen in the last hour having concluded his second appearance before the grand jury in the manhattan d.a. case into the hush money payments made to stormy daniels he will join us by phone another development in the same case the woman at the center of it all, stormy daniels herself, announced that she spoke with prosecutors today as well. her lawyer posting on twitter this afternoon that stormy responded to questions and has agreed to make herself available as a witness for further inquiry if that is needed. our friend and former doj prosecutor andrew weissmann tweeting, it makes it inevitabl

for trump to be charged. that's where we begin. joining us by phone is michael cohen. how are you doing? >> i'm doing well. only you, nicolle wallace. only you can get me on the phone when i just arrive home from a grand jury, two days of grand jury testimony >> tell me what you can about the level of engagement from the -- i heard you answer a question as you were walking away that each of the grand jurors asked you questions did we hear that right >> yeah. almost each of the grand jurors. they were very involved. they were mesmerized by the prosecutor it was an easy experience, let me just say that >> i know you are going to be protective of bragg's office and you will not want to betray any of the substance let me see if i can come at it this way do you believe you were the last witness they heard from?

>> i know, i don't know the answer again, i'm not involved in the inner discussions regarding the completion of this case or the length of time it will take before which bragg's office makes its determination. i would suspect i'm close to the end of the testimony that is necessary. >> did the questioning seem informed by previous appearances from hope hicks or kellyanne conway -- >> you are the greatest. love coming on the show. i plan on coming on the show very, very soon. i really don't want to get any of the sum and substance of what we discussed and how they based their questions or predicated their questions. it would just be unfair to do. >> let me ask you if you share

andrew weissmann's legal analysis that the re-emergence of stormy daniels today as someone the d.a.'s office talked to today and is willing to come in and talk again, if that signals that an indictment is inevitable do you share andrew weissmann's assessment >> i think many people made that assessment many people made the assessment prior to the re-emergence of stormy, that it was happening anyway there's a lot of opinions that are out there. if, in fact, that stormy is someone that they are going to look at as a substantial witness for this case, i am certain that she will do a fantastic job. she's very quick on her feet again, the most important thing that needs to be remembered here is that the truth is what will

prevail. not facts, not fiction -- not fiction, but merely the facts. the facts do not benefit the former president >> i don't know if you saw my colleague did a masterful interview with one of trump's attorneys. i have a hard time boiling down what trump's current position is it's so trumpian i guess he denies the relations with stormy daniels. but he seems to be arguing at the same time that the hush money would have been paid whether or not he was running for office to protect him from m melania. >> it going into issues that could be related to the case i'm trying to be respectful to the d.a. what i will say is i did see ari's handling i was embarrassed for our

profession he looked completely unhinged. there's something definitely wrong there. the worst thing is he is following in rudy's steps. you make it yourself the center of attention at least know the facts. it's one thing when you are talking to some of these other stations where facts don't matter it's merely playing to a party of one you are not playing to a party of one when you are sitting across the desk from ari he wasn't going to just accept whatever answer that joe decided to put out there he was going to challenge him. sadly, it's not the first time george stephanopoulos did the same thing schooled him he is making trump look worse if that's possible. >> if that's possible. we went back and looked at what -- stormy daniels is back in the news late today

we went back and looked at what she wrote in her book. it's called "full disclosure." it came out in 2018. i understood it from sources pretty close to donald trump to have been a pretty big event for the white house when it came out. she writes this about trump. quote, he showed me a photo of melania holding bare on i could tell it made him proud he asked me about my family. i was impressed that he was at least showing some give and take in conversation. quote, i have to ask you a question, he said, it's kind of offensive, so i apologize in advance if you are offended. go ahead, i said what's the situation on royalties in the adult business? does that anecdote ring true to you? >> i read the book while i was in otisville i have discussed it with stormy. >> i know. >> but i also read the book. does it ring true?

the man has no -- he has the ability to believe he can do or say anything that he wants the terrible comments that he keeps making about her in terms of appearance is, again -- it detracts from him, makes him look, again, even worse than he actually looks, which is hard to believe. >> i apologize in advance if this butts up against your alliance i think it's something our viewers will want to know if not today then eventually. you don't have any doubt in your mind that donald trump had relations with stormy daniels and paid to keep them secret ahead of the campaign? >> let me just say, you are right, i can't discuss -- to answer those questions at this present moment soon, but just not right now i just left the grand jury

it would be improper for me to discuss anything that could be related to this investigation. >> michael, we will let sdny do the talking. let me read from your sentencing memo this is from prosecutors and investigators associated with the southern district of new york i know not held too high in your esteem, but the world thinks a lot of them. >> they certainly think a lot of themselves as well >> fair. during the campaign, michael cohen played a central role in two similar schemes to purchase the rights to stories, even from women who claimed to have had an affair with individual one that was sdny's word doj's world for donald j. trump. to suppress the stories and prevent them from influencing the presidential election. with respect to both payments, michael cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election.

michael cohen co-ordinated with one or more memberls of the campaign, including about the fact, nature and timing of the payments in particular, and as cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments he acted at the direction of individual one do you think that bragg's office sees individual one the same way sdny put in writing they saw individual one >> i never like to put myself into the position of what somebody else thinks what i will say to you is that i have no reason to disqualify any of the comments, the readings you just took from the document that was the charging document against me >> michael, have you heard from anyone at sdny >> i don't want to talk about anything that involves this

investigation. there are several investigations that are going on right now, not just here at the district attorney's office, but as you are well aware, with the new york attorney general, with our unsinkable attorney general. my goal, which i had said even at the time of my sentencing, is that i will cooperate, i will provide information, which is truthful, to the extent that i am wanted or needed. >> i want to ask you about attacks that i know really bother you of your credibility mark pomerantz wrote about how important corroboration was. he was able to achieve that pretty easily with his multiple meetings with you. alvin bragg clearly, whether it was a perception that predated

his active phase of this investigation or something he encountered, i don't know, you are welcome to illuminate me, clearly your testimony was deemed credible by mark, who led the investigation into these matters under vance and by bragg, if you are as everyone speculates, the final witness or one of the final witnesses in front of the grand jury. again as being able to attest to your credibility, i want to give you a chance to respond to anyone who questions is. >> i don't care about those who want to question my credibility. it wasn't just alvin bragg's office that acknowledges the accuracy and truthfulness of the statements i provided. it's not just the attorney general who did that it's not just members of congress who i testified -- i testified six or seven times

before congress. it's also the mueller team anybody that wants to attack my credibility, we understand why you are doing it it's like what i had said to jim jordan during that oversight testimony, i know what you are doing. i know the playbook. because i helped to write it for donald it's not going to work for you truth is the truth truth will always rise >> i don't know we can top a quote like that. i want to see if i can ask you one final question here. do you believe that there is one set of rules for donald trump and another for you? or do you believe everyone will be held under the same standard based on the rule of law, the federal and state level? >> unfortunately, we haven't seen donald trump held accountable for any of his dirty deeds. as i have stated on your program and others, i'm the only one who has held accountable for

somebody else's dirty deeds. i acknowledge what i had done, which is wrong i have also stated on your show that there are many things that i pled guilty to that were not legitimate putting all that aside, i acknowledge what i did wrong this is not a man who takes responsibility for any of his actions. i do believe that there will be accountability i think it's extremely important that everyone be considered equal under the eyes of the law. as we democrats like to continuously say, the adage, no one is above the law >> i guess my last thing is a housekeeping issue you have any sense on timing for when this grand jury may make a decision if they pursue the path of an indictment >> the answer to that is no. if i did, i still wouldn't be able to provide that to you. as much as i appreciate you and

love the fact that you called me when i just arrived home, it's not an answer i can give >> had to ask. had to ask michael cohen, author of the book "revenge," the host of the podcast political beatdown thank you for spending time with us today i hope you do whatever you do to unwind after testifying about a twice-impeached disgraced ex-president and his alleged affair before a grand jury two times in one week. thank you for joining us >> as always joining our coverage, susan craig is here. she's reported on donald trump and his finances and taxes also joining us, former u.s. attorney harry litman is back. frank figliuzzi is back. they are all msnbc contributors. harry, i can't get past it

during the campaign -- this is sdny i know michael cohen doesn't love them. most other people think a great deal of them they believe this. quote, during the campaign, michael cohen played a central role in two similar schemes to purchase the rights to stories from women who claimed to have had an affair with individual one, donald trump. so as to suppress the stories and prevent them from influencing the election with respect to both payments, michael cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election. cohen coordinated his actions with one or more members of the campaign, including through meetings and phone calls about the fact, nature and timing of the payments in particular and as cohen has now admitted with respect to both payments he acted in coordination with and at the direction of individual one. it reads like they established all the facts of donald trump's criminal conduct and then get an admission to the crimes from cohen. it reads as though trump was

perhaps the target, someone they knew they couldn't indict but nonetheless investigated i wonder if you think if bragg acts if there should be questions or some transparency about whether or why not sdny will act >> okay. yes, you are right but with a caveat. at the sentencing memo where they tell the court, here is what we could prove if we went to trial, cohen is giving up his right to go to trial it's really carefully crafted. you can almost -- there's nothing you can quibble with it comes as an admission from cohen or on at fthe affairs. you can't just take that piece of paper and introduce it or make it established in the state court. it's at the time just a representation that the prosecutors are making to the judge if we went to court here is what we could prove to your point about individual one, that's the time honored

coc co-conspiracy. on the one hand, it doesn't just push a button and transfer to the d.a.'s office. but i think all the evidence is there. will it come up i think that's more for history and less for current events. there are people who were -- been involved who haven't been shy, including the u.s. attorney, about talking about it i think we will learn more but it won't be a specific, immediate sort of breaking news. >> here is where i think you are wrong about it being for history, not current events. the news cycle will take whatever bragg does and seek to annihilate him they will call it a misdemeanor, lacking a second crime that would bump it up into a felony that's why joe was acting like a

clown yesterday on ari's show. the facts don't matter on earth two. on earth one, donald trump's justice department led by his attorney general bill barr and donald trump's hand -- don mcgahn's hand picked attorney for sdny -- you have to presume the fbi found evidence to say this in writing. let me read it one more time with respect to both payments -- there is sdny and the fbi found this with respect to both payments, michael cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 election he coordinated his actions with one or more members of the trump campaign, including through meeting and phone calls about the fact, nature and timing of the payments in particular, as cohen has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of individual one. f they are about to surge back in, where fox news admits they know

what they are putting on the air is bs. we are about to have a big national conversation about whether or not it's a crime to pay hush money to a porn store my question is, if this office found evidence of donald trump participating in crimes, what is this office going to say this week or next >> nothing i agree with everything you said look, if you look on the front of the piece of paper, this is what they're saying they could have proven. yes, it matters. they think they could have proven it, including through cohen. that's a fact in and of itself does it automatically marry up with the allegations that bragg will be making only that they are factually overlapping. on sdny, they are involved in two other investigations that

might touch on trump that's going to matter are they going to explain, justify why they didn't go forward? the short answer is no >> frank, why does it matter why does it matter that federal prosecutors found evidence of criminal -- of the direction and coordination with donald trump to commit crimes for which michael cohen went to jail, j d -- why does that matter >> there's a micro level and macro level. we are about to see an indictment in the manhattan district attorney's office. this set of facts, as harry alluded to, is overlapping with what sdny looked at. therefore, the fact that the feds found it is going to be utilized that fact pattern is going to be utilized in front of a jury. on a macro level it matters

more why? because it does appear as cohena long time, the federal system, the department of justice under donald trump, decided to look the other way whether in it camo wrongdoing they found that could have led to charges against donald trump that really matters. >> frank, would new leadership -- the fbi didn't change leaders doj did. would they have looked at it again and maybe again when berman writes about it he writes about these words i've been reading from. this was heavily litigated would a new attorney general have looked at that and knew >> i think not i don't think that is who this attorney general is. i will tell you what i'm hopeful may happen, which is that if the case is made successfully at the

d.a. level -- we are talking about a local county district attorney -- with regard to a potential federal election violation, that this was done -- this hush money payment was done and done because trump wanted to win the presidential election, then i think the feds are compelled to reopen this and go, okay, he may have violated state of new york election laws, because he was trying to help himself by hushing stormy daniels. now does that mean it violated federal campaign laws? i think they are compelled to look at that if it succeeds at the d.a. level >> suzanne, i have gone through the tish james lawsuit to find what investigators found which is a lot but it's not everything

as we await a potential indictment or charging document what are you waiting for or looking for? what questions do you want to see answered if they take that step of charging trump >> well, i think that we are -- you have one case coming up, potentially, that they're going to bring charges on. i think behind the scenes, there is a lot more going on one of the cases you mentioned, tish james in the civil case she's looking at valuations in the financial statements alvin bragg was looking at that case it hasn't gone away. they are still pursuing it i think right now they are working or trying to work with weisselberg. that seems strong. it's alive in the manhattan d.a.'s office. weisselbergrikers. he is facing potentially more jeopardy and more trouble going

forward. he could either personally be charged or he could cooperate with another case. that's one thing that is still simmering. people keep saying, when a weak case this is, the stormy case. it's a misdemeanor they are trying to trump up to a felony we heard that with the trump organization case whether it was brought. it was just a bunch of paperwork. everybody does it. i don't believe that i think they have other stuff percolating in the background. >> that's interesting. you talk to people privately and they say something different they say john edwards' career was ended for campaign finance sdny did not pick up when trump left to your point, there's the black box that is what weisselberg did or did not do. at the center -- >> and what he saw. >> right at the center is cohen's testimony. by the fact that he was either the last or one of the last people before this grand jury,

his testimony about the payments is this. quote, donald sent me and ialle into an office to figure it out. he is the co-conspirator in the hush money payment. >> right he is. he is a piece of this. we don't know until we see the indictment whether or not they were able to move weisselberg into this and get his cooperation in it. i'm thinking not but we don't know. when they bring out -- whether they bring michael cohen in as the summation witness, they are not just going on his word they have to have an incredible amount of corroborating evidence, records, bank statements and other things that show that -- it proves what he is saying. it's going to be incredible to read that indictment if it comes to see how much information they have >> we talk about it just as a

hush money investigation to your point -- you have tried to help us steer our coverage to this possibility of something broader and the valuations and whatnot. do you believe that this charge, if we are to see one, will be broader than the payments? are you open to being surprised about what, if nything, trump is charged with in the near term >> i'm always open to being surprised. f full disclosure, we don't flow what's going on. there's been incredible reporting done by my colleagues at "the new york times" that suggest on this front they are moving forward specifically with this grand jury on the stormy daniels -- we are not seeing other people going in back doors to other grand juries or anything like that i think they are moving forward on this. i think they are trying to build as strong a case as they can on financial statements and the valuation case, if they decide to go forward with that.

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if the spending were the fulfillment of an expenditure, it's not a violation this would exist irrespective of

the campaign. >> he would have paid this out regardless >> his lawyer at the time who pled guilty to the lies and frauds, who is not a cooperator, said that under oath >> we are back the campaign finance violations aren't at issue. it's not -- there's no state crime there. what's he talking about? >> he is talking about it nevertheless he is stating the wrong test it's not true. if that's a reason why you did it, it's a crime the first thing i'm going to do going back to as soon as we seat indictment, i want to see -- this goes to what suzanne was talking about, what is the other crime? i think we have the sense that the misstatement on payment is a misdemeanor and to elevate to a felony, we need it to be in furt furtherance of another crime is it a supposed finance

violation? that could be tricky for bragg that's where i will go can i make two more quick points >> let me follow up on another one. on the campaign finance, one, it's not a defense in the bragg case the feds did find that trump made two campaign -- had violated campaign finance laws in two instances that's why i think what the sdny prosecutors found and held and committed to writing is relevant to this defense. >> yeah. his whole stance first, again, to sdny, it's really -- they did find these things or assert they could prove them remember, they weren't able to charge trump at the time they did what the watergate prosecutors did to nixon individual a they went pretty far to try to

paint trump's conduct nevertheless but we do believe that bragg is going to have some second crime here, because that will elevate the misstatement into a felony that's been one of the ones that have been bandied about. a lot of lawyers are looking for, maybe he has another idea up his sleeve. one other point i wanted to make, to me -- michael gave away a little bit when he said they were mesmerized. you have a grand jury that's very, very ready to be persuaded by the district attorney we know that the district attorney is going to seek it it's almost a forgone conclusion that the grand jury would accept it i think this makes it beyond any doubt that they will >> frank, again, to what happens next if we as a country take this unprecedented step, so far, most

prosecutors who -- i keep coming back to the same thing but the sdny found trump to have committed crimes of campaign fraud violations in two instances and they alleged that he committed those crimes, they were so sure of it, they put it in black and white it's in the public record. he was president then. he hasn't been for over two years. prosecutors, as human beings, have looked at trump's crimes and criminality and they are not a flat line. they are on a scale of escalating brazenness and have decided over and over and over and over again to do nothing i wonder what you think the rule of law stands to lose or gain this week if bragg decides to charge trump >> we are at the precipice of a remarkable moment in our presidential history, in our nation's history i have to tell you, i do have concerns about this case

i know we have beat this around now that it's kind of a clear case it's not entirely clear. as harry said at least two or three times, we need -- bragg needs another crime. to get it to the felony level, he needs another crime i think it's going to be new york state campaign violation, but i don't know why is it important? it's important because of the remarkable moment where the whole country will be riveted by what is really a confined, limited case it's almost unfortunate that while it makes sense this case is coming first in the litany, it's unfortunate there's a real possibility that the public, say about 30% of the public, let's say those who tune in to fox every night, are going to go, 130 grand in overall scheme of things, he made this go away, we heard his attorney

tell ari, he would have made this go away no matter what. there could be a collective shrug. everything saying, see, they are after him. they are after him just for this why is it important that bragg win? even if he doesn't, why the doj will need to step in federally and take action if there are any federal crimes that can be charmchar -- charged, for this reason the rule of law demands. you may not like the smallness of the first case, but we don't like what happened here. as a matter of law, we're going to pursue it no matter what. >> during the mueller investigation i had a doj source who confessed that while the obstruction of justice crimes were clear as day, because there was no underlying crime of criminal conspiracy with russia, they couldn't bring them, some

of the reasons frank just outlined, a collective shrug on 40% of the country, can't take a president down for that. with the coup, it was -- it would be novel some people described it as -- it would be novel to examine an ex-president for insurrection. we don't do that as a country. can't do that. mar-a-lago, wow. he thought he could think that they were declassified biden found crap at his office, too. i don't know if we can do that what did he do today today donald trump attacked ron doe desantis -- i would vomit if i wasn't on live tv, ethics violations all trump does is escalate his brazenness, his criminality, his

corruption everybody sits around and says, it's not a rock solid case your investigation into his taxes showed generational fraud bordering on corruption, bordering on criminality because of his reptilian survival instincts, he managed to blow himself just on the other side of committing a clear crime. no one does anything what are the stakes of the law catching up with him or not? >> i think you just outlined -- you gave the checklist i would have given at each point he tries to minimize his behavior and say either, well, it is no big deal and the other one is, everybody does it, which is a confession, not a defense. over and over and over that happens. when i think about this case, i do think there's going to be a political reaction on one side you and i have talked about this the people are going to say, they're just coming after him for the small thing.

it's really just a misdemeanor on the other hand, i just think this is in a way -- it's cinematic that it's not a small thing that somebody running for president, who won in the final days of his campaign, made a payment to an adult star actress who he had an affair with to get him elected. i don't see in some ways higher stakes and a more important case that a d.a. could bring. that's really what it is i feel -- i hear the other side of it. but i think this is an important case because of that >> right he climbed to the highest office in our country >> right >> predicated on a lie, that he spent money to keep secret, to make sure -- you can argue until the cows come home

acc it's important it tells us something about us what trump did -- >> i don't think they can judge the case on should we bring it or not because it's going to hurt him or not. i think you have to just say, is it right or is it wrong? i think that this isn't -- speaking about that, i don't think it's going to be the only case that alvin bragg ultimately will bring there will be other cases to come this case in a way is important because of the circumstances around it. >> that might be the most intriguing thing i heard in the last hour and 40 minutes, you don't think it will be the only case three of the best people we could have this conversation with at this extraordinary moment i'm grateful to all of you thank you so much. i will never vomit on tv when trump attacks desantis, at least for now. ahead, we saw the government take action this week to prevent a banking crisis what about a crisis for our democracy? top democratic voting writes

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as the country continues to reel from the impact of the failure of silicon valley bank, our next guest is cautioning that a crisis is happening at the same time to our democracy quote, it's not just banks that can fall victim to acute failures of confidence history shows governments can suffer the same fate right now, we face the risk of a dangerous run on our democracy

mark alias writes maga officials are attacking a key provision of our democratic health, a non-profit organization called the electronic registration information center, which helps keep voter rolls safe from fraud, could cause our democracy to crumble quote, it's difficult to understand why eric has become a target for republican officials looking to withdraw from the data sharing agreement eric is in the middle of a mass panic by republicans, akin to a run on the bank. when our economy is at stake, our government wastes no time to tackle the crisis. our democracy should be treated no differently if we don't treat threats to our democracy with the same urgency as other threats, eventually, the system will succumb and free and fair elections will be lost. the government doesn't wait until the next bank failure to write its playbook we shouldn't wait for the next

crisis in our democracy either founder of democracy docket, mark alias joins us. i'm so glad you wrote this i'm beyond salvation when it comes to covering a bank crisis. i don't understand why anyone would put their money there. i don't understand what any of it means i do it because it has this sense, as you write, of taking on national import i understand why low level -- the cold war against our democracy that happens every single day in macro and micro aggressions, little punches about cases that were never fully resolved, are dangerous to all of us. i wonder how we change the framing and make sure that those are the topic of emergency congressional hearings and statements from the white house rose garden. >> i was struck this weekend as we were listening to people on

twitter, venture capitalists, bank officials, pundits, "the wall street journal" editorial page, everybody seemed to have an opinion about this bank in silicon valley that's not to minimize the importance of saving that bank or the banking system. i take at face value it was a crisis that needed urgent intervention but as i was watching that, i was thinking, where is the same urgency about saving democracy where are the business leaders speaking out about the urgency to protect democracy where are the governors and congressional delegations and every federal agency seems to be holding an emergency meeting over the weekend they found -- i'm not an expert, but they found a fund to save the banks. good for them. save the banks but i would love to see civil society, government, state government, federal government, everybody have the same urgency

over a weekend to say, hey, we need to save democracy this isn't to say the biden administration isn't doing everything it can. it's just, i think, we all need to take a step back and realize that these thousand little cuts are taking place entities like eric are suffering the consequences it's the voters who will pay the price. >> they are not unrelated. let's just assume the response from the biden administration -- should we give "the wall street journal" editorial board the benefit of the doubt. >> they were on the other side >> let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt it was the appropriate response to the failure of a bank i guess my question to you is, how do you -- first of all, the next bank that fails that is successfully branded as too woke to receive care won't get a bailout. real customers might suffer. the republican smear machine

came after this bank that's tucker carlson's reason for the failure. it may weaken our economy as well letting one slide really doesn't serve the other. my question is, how do we turn down the alarm on the bank i'm with you, it sounds like it was appropriate. but how do you elevate the even more frequent attacks on our democracy to the same four alarm fire >> that's the question that's the challenge of our time that is the question that i think every policymaker, every elected official from local, city council, on up, everyone needs to ask that question what are you doing at this time when democracy is at stake what are you doing when when yov a systemic effort to weaken our free and fair elections, to subvert the outcome of those elections? what are you doing and where is the urgency

it is almost two years ago we saw corporate america issue an open letter about how much they cared about democracy after georgia passed its voter suppression law. we just saw them reawaken this bank god bless they did, if they saved the banking system, but where is everyone in trying to make sure that we don't see a run on democracy and ultimately a collapse. >> one of the ways, i think, that financial panic seems to spread, and again stephanie ruhle is dying a thousand deaths if she is watching this. i don't understand the fundamentals how these things get to these crisis junctures, but people feel not just terrified if their money is in the bank, but if it were them. and it feels like with the georgia example, right, like people in georgia were engaged because it was going to change the way they voted in georgia, and maybe part of the answer is

making sure that everyone understands they are trying to it everywhere, they are trying to punch the rules everywhere. it's not just a georgia bank, if we take the bank to the voter suppression law. it is this national assault that's coming to a town or a state near you how could we -- what does that look like in your view >> i think we need to talk with difficult truths, which is that if wealthy white business people were waiting in line for two hours to vote, we would solve the problem of long lines to vote if wealthy rich people, you know, were required to find an entirely new form of i.d. than the one they normally use, we would solve the problems of voter i.d. we have a crisis of democracy in this country, but part of why we have a crisis in democracy is because republicans are targeting black, brown and young voters and the black, brown and young voters have allies, but they don't have the kind of committed day in, day out support that

they really deserve in a democracy. and so when we talk about what happens if republicans, say, pull out of eric and start, you know, engaging in erroneous voter punches and criminal intimidation, criminal prosecution, intimidation of voters, we know who they are going to target. they are not targeting people in business suits they are target the most vulnerable voters. so we need to just recognize that part of what we don't have that the banks have going for them is the motivated interests of protecting student voters in idaho who are about to experience voter suppression, black voters in mississippi about to experience voter suppression at the hands of a new law, south dakota who debt with a voter suppression law that passed there, ohio, black, brown and young voters the victim of a new law passed by the republican legislature there, and we just don't have

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