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which turned out to be not be bad idea >> i mean, yeah, really. >> there are good investment >> you will see in this job? you have to cover a lot of the person who sometimes you get little moments of levity. when someone told me on my staff that steve bannon ha been apprehended by postal service inspectors on the yach of a chinese billionaire i connecticut, i was like, okay. >> this is one of the good stories. >> yes >> you enjoy that, all the way home, my friend. thank you at-home for joinin us this hour in december it was about parental rights. a federal judge in texas ruled that a grant program designe to provide birth control t kids from low income familie was unconstitutional because that program violated parental rights the judge wrote, the court finds no compelling government interest justifies dependenc disregard of plaintiff parental rights in this case in november, it was abou discrimination on the basis of sex. that same federal judge signed with lawyers associated with former president trump advisor

stephen miller the judge decided that obamacare -- ruling against discriminatio on the basis of sex did no protect lgbtq plus patient from discrimination. thereby enabling doctors t deny patients gender affirming care in 2021 it was about irreparable harm to libert interests. the same texas judge blocked the biden administration fro acquiring covid vaccines for texas hospital and nursing hom staff. he cited the fifth circuit i asserting a public interest in maintaining the liberty of individuals to make intensel personal decisions according t their own convictions. all of the reasons this judg gave for those rulings sound like arguments that could be made in favor of protectin reproductive rights. but instead, all of thes rulings were in favor of conservative interests and they were all written by trump appointed judge matthe kacsmaryk. conservative lawyers hav described chasm eric as actualized, a jurist who stick

closely to this text of the la and the constitution because america has ties to th conservative federalist societ that dates back to his law school years when he attende meetings and now he is a headliner. between 2015 and last month, kacsmaryk spoke at ten federalist society events. members of his family have painted a picture of him as man with deep religiou convictions. particularly when it comes t pregnancy. when he was a college student, abilene christian university he wrote a column for his whol paper endorsing a republican party platform that woul support fetal personhood h wrote, the democratic party' ability to condone the federally sanctioned eradication of innocent huma lives is indicative of the moral ambivalence unde guarding this party. perhaps more than any othe national institution, th liberal democratic party and its ideological affiliates hav facilitated the demise o americas christian heritage. that perspective on the demise of americas christian heritage is echoed in a 2015 articl

customary corrode agains same-sex marriage. he wrote that the sexual revolution sought public affirmation of the lie that th human person is an autonomou blob of silly putty. unconstrained by nature or biology, and that marriage sexuality, gender identity and even the unborn child must yield to the erratic desires o a liberated adults before becoming a judge in 2019, matthew chasm eric worked on antiabortion issues as deputy, general counsel for th religious liberty law firm first liberty. that is the man donald trump nominated to the federal bench during his nomination hearing, before the senate judiciar committee, senator richard blumenthal asked cause merrick about the place religiou convictions should have in a court room >> do judges ever apply thei religious convictions in the course of making decisions o the bench? district court judges included >> they should not >> do you believe they do?

>> senator, in working in th private government and nonprofit sector, i can' recall an instance where i observed a judge imposing th religion but i will say for the recor that it is inappropriate for a article three judge to do so >> that was the response, give by the man who in the coming days will decide a case that could up and access to one o the drugs used in medication abortions nationwide a conservative group calle alliance defending freedom brought a case against the fda in november to challenge the agency's approval of the abortion drug nif crestone an approval that happened more than two decades ago that group much like the judge overseeing the case ha interesting backstory. it is the group founded in the -- conservation lawyers it has history of failed lawsuits targeting transgender student athletes lawyers for the group also argued in favor of criminalizing homosexuality in supreme court amicus briefs.

that, group on behal antiabortion activists and doctors -- the fda blocked the authorit to approve this drug and did not adequately say - that he had safety in, drought -- issue a preliminary injunction ordering the fda to suspend or withdraw its approval of mifepristone that would according to some experts effectively bloc access to the drug entirely. today chasm eric held a hearin on this challenge to the fda's approval of mifepristone, he reportedly began the meeting b listing a clerk to say let u pray which is a typica occurrence in cosmetic courtroom. and then they were off the hearing many little longer tha four hours the plaintiffs and the defense each had two hours to stay their case he plaintiffs tried to make th case that the drug was not properly vetted when it wa approved in 2000 defense attorneys argued tha the plaintiffs complaints were passed the statue of limitations since the drug whisper approved 23 years ago. nbc reporters nicholas today say chasm erik seeme

sympathetic to the challenge brought by alliance defendin freedom. offering the plaintiffs more windows than the defense t clarify and elaborate on their arguments. but he also asked th plaintiffs if they could offer another example of a drug with long-standing approval being pulled from the shelves. they said no in the and you told lawyers, both sides presented a stron case and he would make a decision as soon as possible but both sides could continu to submit relevant examples of case law in the days and weeks to come. so it might not be long before we know how this judge wil rule his decision could be the en of mifepristone, it could be a more narrow injunction on it availability it could be none of the above. but it is a perilous time fo women who are concerned abou access to reproductive choice. and this is not just about women and pregnant people in texas. this is about people acros this country and states like colorado and georgia and pennsylvania and vermont and several others who are eliminating access - preventative counties and even one abortion provider will dro

drastically to less than 3% in some states. that is a huge access proble for people across the united states who might win a nee abortion care. and that is what is at stake join us now is a law professor at new york university, and of the strict scrutiny podcast. and jessica valenti, writer of the abortion everyda newsletter thank you both so much for being here on this, well, this day. and what a day it has been can you, for people who ar still confused, and i will start with, you melissa how it is possible that you can mak the argument that a drug tha has been in the market for 2 years here, i think almost 4 years in europe, can possibl be questioned in terms o safety and efficacy? what is the argument tha alliance defending freedom i making >> atf essentially are getting that the fda did not take th requisite procedures and it' proving this drug 20 years ago now, of course the defendant here, the fda have said, well,

of course you have a lot o time to make that argument you had some time. and they note that there was a re-approval in 2016 where they actually loosened restrictions on the availability of mifepristone that would've been a opportunity for them to make these arguments as well, and they didn't, so that is on aspect of the argument tha they are making and they are also arguing that there is a injury to the doctors who ar bringing this claim. atf is representing thes physicians, these pro-life physicians who argue that thei patients are harmed through th use of medication abortions. they've run into a trick problem because many conservative justices on the supreme court for years have said that physicians canno raise the claims of thei patients and abortion cases. although the court has allowed that to go forward, but it i always over the objections o -- >> conservative judges >> it is usually when thos doctors are trying to advocate that their patients deserv more choice. >> so it is interesting here that judge because merrick i not touting what it' ordinarily been th conservative party line abou

standing for physicians, third-party standing for physicians to bring thes claims on behalf of patients because the patients and the doctors actually misaligne here and that is not usually th case but that is nothing anything wrong, here i, mean why is - there is a lot here. why is this case in judg cosmetics chamber along with these other hot button issue that he has decided? because he is the only judge i this amarillo texas courthouse so if you file your case on hot button issue in amarillo you are guaranteed to get judge has merrick, and when yo are guaranteed to get judg merrick, you think you kno exactly what you are gonna get >> jessica, this, i didn't realize that this attempt to kind of unlined access t mifepristone has been going on for decades. i mean, first this emerged, mean, when was first approve it was controversial but pro life, the antiabortion movement has been after the fd approval for almost 20 years now. is that right? >> yeah, they haven't after it forever. because they know that ove half of women who are ending their pregnancies are usin abortion medication. they know that it is easy, the

know that it is safe and they are terrified by it and we are seeing in wha happened today, they don't car about science. and it seems like the judg doesn't either >> what is so shocking about arguing against the safety and efficacy of a medicine that, like, when it first comes out, maybe you can make that case but literally the argument hasn't changed at all. why is it, is it chasm erik' ascension to the bench is it, why is this happening now? i mean, is it dobbs, is it's kind of like an event? >> it is, jobs it is customary they are changing their moment they think that they hav science on their side obviousl they don't every single statistics pu forward as false every study shows that abortio medication is completely safe. less than a third of 1% of women who take it have serious complications. but i think this is thei moment >> they are also making an argument for standing? not only is it that they are

saying there are these complications caused they are saying that women who terminate, effectively i'm paraphrasing here. you can illuminate this little better than i can they are saying that women who choose to end their pregnancie are denying the doctors of effectively a patient. a client base if you will. because they can't offer the pregnancy care >> they are basically arguin that there is this massive abortion industry. and when these medications are used and a pregnancy happens, -- to do it surgically, to do i procedurally and, again this plays into a lot of the rhetoric of the pro-life movement that the have used for years. again, this idea that there is industry of abortion providers who are praying upon women, wh are desperate. and don't know what thei choices are. and instead they push abortion on this. so again, these lawsuits shoul also be understood as discursive moments. and this is part of building a rhetoric, a rhetorical recor if you will >> so how are we reading the behaviors of, like

of the past few days this whole hearing was kept no just - i just saw that spatia expression but the whole hearing was kept largely, as america wanted nobody to find out that this was happening in the washingto post effectively leaked th news of it it is four hours and they ar in court and it sounds like he is ope to the arguments being made by the a.g. f it is a fait accompli here >> there is a reason they chos him, right there is a reason they chose him and there is a reason that he is saying that this was a accelerated process. he said that at some point today even though it took th fda for years to approve the medication right? and so i am very nervous, think everyone sort of expects it to come down on not the pro-choice side. and i think that no matter wha the fda does or the bide administration does, what th impact looks like on the groun is going to be incredibl incredibly dangerous for women

because of the chaos that is gonna so >> so walk me through it, if he does hand down a preliminary injunction, th biden administration, the do is going to appeal this, right and does this go to the suprem court do you think >> there are a lot of things that can be done the fda could say, that you are right, w didn't do the right protocols. we have got to review th somewhere even though it was reviewed for 20 years in europ before it was approved here in 2000 but yeah, we will do som review and that could just b pending. we could be, maybe medicatio abortion would be available in that circumstance because th fda is pending but what we ultimately may have a clas between the agency itself an this federal judge and that is harder to say. it is exactly as jessica said, in a situation like that where you have these two ver powerful entities crashing, th administrative state and you sherrie on the one hand. what do you have's confusion and doctors won't know if they should provide it. pharmacists won't know if they should dispense it and women to want to know if they have to scalable. and that is exactly what the

want to happen a landscape o other confusion and chaos. which is more affective perhap than any other ban at this point. >> we showed that, i mean, maybe we can pull up that ma from the good migrants to chec out the states that are gonn be affected by this chaos, jessica. it's not just what you think o fdr and states it is colorado, it is vermont. it is new hampshire. i mean, is the expectation that, you know, the chaos will see less chaotic and states wher there is a more progressiv attitude towards reproductiv choice or what options are there? >> i would like to think so bu i am really nervous about what is going to happen on th ground when you are talkin about individual doctors who have a lot of reasonable fear. individual pharmacists who wer already seeing refused medications. even before this decision come down so i am really worried, and that is why every time i talk about this issue in m newsletter i tell everyone who can get pregnant should have abortion medication in their medicine cabinet you can get it whether you are

pregnant or not. it is called an advanc provision. you should have it on hand whether it is for yourself o for a friend hopefully it won' come to that, i really reall do hope that but -- >> that is just, the idea that we are at the stage of the gam where people who will follow this issue are saying stockpil this medication because we may not be able to get it. or someone you love me able no to get it. it's a terrifying handmaid's tale dystopia to imagine tha america is in that place i wonder, melissa. you know, is there anything th biden administration should or can be doing at this junctur to urge the fda not to abide chasm eric's ruling, what ca the white house do in this >> this was a drug that wa reviewed it was reviewed by the fda, it was approved by the fda an twice done so after 20 years o other testing in europe. it has a record here in th united states of 23 years of safe use and i think the administration can lean on that i mean, to the extent that there needs to be a new review

procedure, while, fine but w have the evidence, and thi again is playing with women' lives. like, this is really all o this is a game of brinkmanship with women on the balance >> and i will say that there is misoprostol which is the other part of the two drug regimen for medication abortions number one, jessic that is not an easier, tha truck has that affects for women. this is literally taking mines across two - off the mark it will mean that women have to rely on somethin that is less effective and has more side effects. is that right? it does, it is mor uncomfortable, it is mor painful. and i think that while it is effective and a lot of doctors are planning on usin misoprostol only particle, it' more comfortable and the concern is that becaus multiple doses are needed, onc the men are feelin uncomfortable and pain maybe they won't follow up with that second dose. and so there is a lot of fea there. it is not what is the safest and most effective, and we kno what is the safest and mos effective. because we have been doing i for over 20 years. >> do you think that lie

across to, again, the second drug, is potentially at risk here a lot of people would say that they couldn't, they would neve do that. they would never do that but this is been on the market for, you know, - i don't believe they could never do that >> for overall those people and row we neve returned >> my -- other uses and essential use for. treating - things of that nature. but this is a movement that is completely organized and focused on the complete an total abolition of legal abortions in this country. and i think you have to take them at their word >> police them when they tel you they are melissa murray and jessica will, anti-tank you for coming wit me today as, always thank you for you wisdom >> >> we have a lot more to ge to tonight, including th potential ripple effect if judge merrick undoes the fda approval of one drug tha republicans don't like wha other drugs could be next? and eye-opening reporting from a georgia special grand jury plus new testimony today in ne york city. all of that may spell double trouble for a man named donald trump that is next

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being over i have complied with every request that was asked of me i just attorney's office so that they could review this case as best as they possibly can. my position is that the end of

the day, donald trump needs to be held accountable for hi dirty deeds. if in fact that is the way tha the facts play out plain and simple >> that was former trump fixer and attorney michael cohen after testifying again before grand jury in the manhatta da's hush money investigatio of donald. trump this is the second tim this week that mr. cohen has appeared before that grand jury prosecutors also met today via zoom with stormy daniels the adult film star trump allegedl paid hush money to prior to th 2016 election in order to cove up an alleged affair but you heard michael cohen sa there that his role for th time being is over which could be an indication that the manhattan da is wrapping up the grand jury portion of its investigation if that is indeed the case, it means that prosecutors can soo make a decision about whethe or not to bring criminal charges against a former president of the united states for the first time ever. that in and of itself would of

course be historic but this is the trump era. and history making offense like, say, impeachments or a special counsel investigations those often come out to for th price of one which is why we are also watching prosecutors in georgia, who may be close to a decision of their own about whether o not to indict the former president for his scheme to tr to overturn georgia's election results. today we have got brand-ne details about the special gran jury in that investigation according to new reporting i the atlant journal-constitution, jurors i that case were presented wit yet another phone call tha president trump placed to georgia official to try to overturn the election results. the jurors listened to audio o trump calling the late georgia house speaker david rolston, and asking rolston to convene special session of the georgia legislature to overturn jo biden's victory? joe biden -- trump's request. according to one juror who described the call to the, paper the speaker basically bu the president. off he said i will d

everything in my power that think is appropriate he just basically took the win out of the sales well thank you was all the president could say. this is now the third phon call that we know of in whic donald trump pressured georgia officials to try to help him overturn the results of th 2020 election. one unidentified juror als into the idea that you still have more to learn from this investigation. quote, and it is going to, you a lot is going to come out sooner or later. and it is going to be massive. it is gonna be massive joining us now is michael moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia and a crime partner the law firm moore, hall, more hall michael thank you for bein here i am very interested in th fact that we now know of a third call that the presiden himself made to try to somehow overturn the results of th 2020 election. we know that the called brad raffensperger the secretary of state, we know about the cal

differences watson who was the chief elections officer in the secretary of state's office. we now know about a car to the house speaker david robinson's how damning is that evidence a you look at this case. well i'm glad to be with you i do you think it is a goo piece of evidence, i don't think it is maybe as damning a the calls to raffensperger a the hands of other electio specials but i think it gives you a goo picture of trump's state o mind and his intent. as he made those other calls francis calls the speaker an he said i want you to have a special session and let's, you know, let's get selection fi or whatever. well he is not elections official that is going t recall the election. but it tells you that he kne there was a problem. and so then when you take that call in conjunction with the call that he made to raffensperger. it all starts to be as clear a it can be. and that is that he has done raffensperger, i need to jus finding this number of votes i mean, basically i think it i an indication that trump kne he had problems, but he wa taken every avenue he could to

try to overturn the election i georgia, including makin references about possibl criminal problems that raffensperger may have or talking about these other votes and maybe intimidating someone in the role that h occupied at the time a president of the united states >> when you talk about trump's state of mind, that seems to b so central to all of the 202 election malfeasance if yo will lindsey graham also quoted b one of these jurors as suggesting that trump woul believe anything about the election this is the quote, he said tha during that time of somebody had told trump that aliens cam down and stole trump ballots trump would have believed. it is that, i mean, what doe that mean legally? i guess my question. does that suggest that trump's state of mind was somethin other than genuinely believing that the 2020 election was stolen >> i think that he had absolutely knew that he ha lost the election. i guess we could say by giving him immunity to the aliens t have - you know, while we are here, i

mean, he knew exactly where he was. and what the truth was and he was being told by people there is one side of the state says he was maybe a candidat that lost a race and he is doing everything you can to se if there is some way to find a path to victory. but he went way beyond that. and it's called raffensperge has been the da's clearest cas i think that she has it is almost like having a tap confession before there is eve a trial. before there is even a interrogation or an arrest by police officer you have this guy admitting an it essentially saying, give me this exact number of votes i have to find out who do this and that is going to be th problem for him down the road, it is a little unseemly to m to have the grand jurors given statements and talking about things they heard and all of that i mean, that is not somethin that we see in georgia because we don't usually hav investigative grand juries certainly not special gran juries on a regular basis. but it is giving us some insight into the evidence that is out there >> and i want to return to tha in a second, the notion that these jurors were talking to the press.

but before i do, just generall speaking the argument that w usually hear from team trump i that he legitimately believe that the trump election migh have been stolen enough therefore excuses him i know you sound skeptical o that particular case, on hold, do you think that argument authentic merit? i mean, do you think anybody i buying that at this point an you think that is a viable pat for trump attorneys to take if he is indicted by for exampl the special counsel? >> i think any of us would be fool to try to think rationall about something that a irrational person thinks about and that would be him. i mean, he still thinks he had the biggest election crowd out there. despite pictures so who knows what he believes. but the truth at the time wa that he had been told, and h was continuing to run that every path he could. including what i think was a call to put pressure o raffensperger. and that is going to be hi problem. so it's, you know, if you want to come forward and say ha this long state of mind and, you know, there, i had thi

long held belief that it's really this anyone to put al this evidence. you know, i just don't think h is going to get very far wit that i think the grandeur i recognized after hearing fro this number of witnesses, sort of what is out there and i just don't think the public and certain about the jury would file off on that. there are other reasons that the case, you know, may have some issues that she may mov on where another - bring charges. but whether or not he actually believed it i think there will be a fine of witnesses aroun the courthouse explaining, look, we had told him what the truth was. >> michael, i have to ask yo as we talk about one da' investigation, the new yor da's investigation, alvi bragg's investigation here the fact that michael cohen is wrapped up his testimony does that, should we rea anything into that in your opinion? and the fact that stormy daniels spoke via zoom t prosecutors, but hasn' testified formally in front of the grand jury could that mean that this is going to go on i mean, where do you land me look at the details we are getting out of this case >> i think he is probably close t

making a decision. i have some real misgiving about where we are in the case i wish these prosecutors would get somewhere in a roo together and talk about who ha the strongest case and who has got the most evidence who can actually do somethin as opposed to worrying about who is gonna get to be the, yo know, first one at the water trough and i am afraid that is wher we are at. and i just don't find th case's mary compelling we are talking about a case, it's as old as the new yor case, over a misdemeanor charge which they think maybe if they charge a certain way or have a certain evidence attitude, i might become a felony, i jus do not ensure that that is the case you want to bring first to try to bring a historic a case against a former presiden of the united states i think we ought to have jac smith and floating willis an our new york prosecutor fron to get together and really tal about what they have and who has got the resources and wh has about the strength to move the case through because a wea case is going to make bad la for those other cases that might be stronger.

and so that is got to be something you think. about is not to say that is no a crime, not to say to that he did do some. wrong to say that the payments were okay. it's to say that we are talkin about uncharted water here w are talking about historic decision that is thought to be made at the same time there i prosecutions that have to be true to their oath and through their job. that is to see justice there is only so many cases yo can bring about. it the idea they might t cooperate seems to me to make lot of sense to at least have a discussion, maybe they have had that, hope they, have adaptive met somewhere in secret that w don't know about i hope it wasn't with a specia grand jury someone might be talking about that on the news report but, yo know, i hope they have reall put their hands together t think about, you know, who has got the best cases we thin about who can actually get a conviction and who can survive an appea that it's gonna take its way unquestionably up to the supreme court. >> yeah, we are in in tara and company. no very much, so let's hop everyone is secretly talking t each other michael more, thank you so muc for your time and expertise on

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its face this does not loo good santos brokered the yacht sale between two of his wealthy donors and santos has previousl bragged to reporters about getting referral fees of anywhere between 200,000 and $400,000 from brokering 20 million dollar yacht sales which at worst begs th criminal question of - was designed to inject mor money into santos's campaign then is allowed by campaig finance laws or at best, whether santos use his campaign to brush shoulder with the elite and in turn enrich himself so that was the first allege to republican yacht financia crime story today. but there is actually anothe one, you might remember this 2 million dollar yacht, the lady may. you are likely to remember i mostly because it is the meg yacht that trump strategis steve bannon was arrested on i 2020 bannon was arrested on tha yacht for allegedly defrauding investors in his we build th wall campaign.

the one that aimed to crow source the building of trump's wall on the mexican border finance business partners in that scheme involved eithe pleaded guilty or when convicted of siphoning hundred of thousands of dollars from that campaign. better himself got off thank to a pardon from president trump. now it turns out that the yach was -- that shot itself was als allegedly bought with il gotten gains by this guy the owner of that yacht, the fugitive chinese billionaire guo wengui he was arrested thi morning on charges that he als defrauded investors in his conservative business. in addition to the, of the justice department alleges tha guo used defrauded investors t buy a 50,000 square foot mansion, three and a hal million dollar ferrari and not one but two 36,000 dollar mattresses. because why not? by two if you have been awake in th

last eight, years you know how influential steve bannon as we come in the rubble in party. it is really worth noting ho influential this guy, gu wengui has become an conservative politics alongsid steve bannon part of guo's alleged fraud wa convincing people to inves more than $450 million in th media venture of his called g v. but then pocketing time of tha money himself. beyond the grift, she tv pushe this information about stuff like vaccines and election fraud and qanon. and pivotally it spread that i is formation on spanish an chinese language social medi right here in america. all with well paid consultin help from steve bannon so guo and bannon are also the founders of the anti chinese communist party lobbying group the new federal state of china which among other things was one of the official sponsors o cpac as in the conservative political action conference.

so a lot of republican figures in the same boat tonight or votes the alleged financial crim vote turns out it is a lot bigger than we thought. it is kind of a mansion on the water. we have still more ahead tonight. including watching republicans stumble trying to define their newest four letter word, one that is spelled w o k e. plus, fresh to the game fo abortion medications, will covid vaccines be next stay with us

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ask your doctor about keytruda. >> as we speak, the future o the fda has the highes authority of in the country of ensuring the efficacy of drugs that authority is at risk. that's because inside of tha courtroom in amarillo, texas are antiabortion groups ar asking federal judge matthew kissed merrick to force the fd to rescind its approval of a safe and effective abortio medication that has been use in the u.s. for more than 20 years. we don't know how the judg will go, but this case has opened the door to two ver serious questions. one, what is the role of the courts and reviewing the fda's approval of drugs? secondly, what are the implications of other drug being shaken off of the market because conservatives find the controversial? in florida, for example, ron desantis has launched a public health policy committee to counter recommendations from the fda and cdc uncovere

vaccines that were approved by the fda, and have been safel administer to over 269 million americans, showing to reduce the spread of covid and th risk of severe illness and death. in idaho, republican lawmakers are going even further they introduced a bill las month that would criminalize the administration of mrna vaccinations, all types of them, not just those for covid that included -- with mrna technology lik vaccines or rabies, or the flu then there are the 97 bills in 27 states which would ba gender affirming care whic would include hormone therapy, which is also commonly used in menopause. then there are republica efforts to target birth control. in 2021, conservativ republicans tried to block medicaid funding from going to groups including planned parenthood in the fine print, they furthe targeted specific forms of emergency contraceptives are often sold under the name, pla b. it's a medication approved b

the fda back in 1999 if it texas judge sides with conservative groups to block the use of a drug that has bee safely used for 20 years, what is to say that any drug that runs afoul of conservative principles states safely on th shelf? joining us now is new york times columnist and msnb contributor, michelle gold thorpe always good to see you i don't want to be in alarmist here and i want to say that the sky is falling but the precedent the this case could said if he does in fact order a preliminary injunction, or withdrawal of the fda' approval, he could be profound across pharmacies, and acros the country. >> besides the immediate impac on women and people that nee abortions, there are a coupl of pieces, there's the other loss lawlessness avid. when the supreme court was refusing to join texas fro

their abortion bounty act, esp eights, which was such a violation of what wa constitutional precedent at th part >> for those that aren't familiar, that's the one tha really criminalizes the active seeking an abortion. >> it is kind of a blatant run on the law of the land and the legal arguments for it were so outrageous the supreme court basicall said that we don't care. i think that it shocked a lo of people, even pro-choice people that were very cynica about the supreme court. they can't possibly allow that to send. but it is a sign that all bets are off. these people have been put int various courts to do the bidding of the far-right, an that's what they're going to do the legal arguments are almost irrelevant if they are irrelevant for abortion, i would not be surprised if they were irrelevant if they try to brin up a case against plan b it's also interesting to not

that one of the antiabortion side arguments in this cas before case merrick is about about the can start -- there used to ban contraception, birth control information. they basically want to resurrect the laws, and sa they apply here. there is a lot more, man things besides abortion pill that they could apply to >> it's coming at th particular moment where th right is emboldened by the dobbs decision this ruling could have a profound effect on how they se the courts as tools to do what they can't do legislatively. i wonder if you've been giving the zeal the right has, to punish and marginalized member of the lgbtq community i particular, it concerns me whe i think about this landscape where drug therapies that ar used specifically in transition, or homeland therapy, or gender affirming care, that feels lik it is ripe for at least some

kind of lawsuit, if not an actual legal success here to get that stuff out of dr offices, pharmacies where it i helping people it needed >> and one of the question here is whether states can kin of just disregard or overrul the fda, and one of th consequences of this is this total fracturing of the lega landscape across the state border you're in a totally differen legal regime when it comes t your body. and so yes, i think we are already seeing states bannin hormone therapy, not just for, minors,, but for 1821. for the same reason that the second drug in the medicatio abortion regiment is a littl bit safer, because it has othe uses it's also used for ulcers. i think the same is true of th drugs used in transitions. those puberty blockers given t kids, hormones that are used for menopausal women

and so whether republicans are actually going to want to ba testosterone, presumably som of them -- >> that's the golden ticket. >> i think that's the question >> and it's reflective of this very distressing trend of th courts denying settled science the fda approved these drugs they are safe, they're effective, there are cas studies to prove that. there is a wide body o evidence, and you have these christian fundamentalist justices who seem to want to throw this signs away in the name of christian doctrine >> it's been a very long history on the far-right o creating these alternative institutional, legal institutions, alternativ medical institutions this whole library of lies tha can not just be settled scienc on vaccine, settled signs on evolution. there's an entire alternat reality that they've bee

constructing they are now in a position t impose on everybody else >> and it's not just legislatures, is now the judge themselves michelle goldberg, one of my favorite thinkers, thank you for your tim we will be right back. in? at new chapter, its' innovation, organic ingredients, and fermentation. fermentation? yes. formulated to help you body really truly absorb the natural goodness. new chapter. wellness, well done.

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>> would you mind defining woke? this is come up a couple o times, i want to make sure o the same page. >> woke is the idea that - this is going to be one of those moments that goes viral. it's something that's hard t define, and we could spend a entire chapter defining it, it is the understanding that we need to completely reimagine and reduce society in order to

create hierarchies >> it's hard to define reduces i.t. something about oppression a conservative commentator and an author that has studied wokeism, and written in he estimation, entire chapters on it and yet she it sure is tricky. so far, the only person to define what it actually is i florida governor ron desantis. late last year, his staffers were asked to define woke in court, defining woke as a slan term for activism, progressive activism his general counsel added that woke is the belief that ther are systemic injustice i american society, and the need to address them. that sounds right, maybe eve sense a cool maybe that is why the anti wok movement has such a hard tim with it. sometimes it is what you don't say that speaks volumes. that is our show for tonight we will see you again tomorrow it's time for the last word, with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence >>