good to be with you. i'm katy tur we're watching manhattan and fulton county, georgia, today where two district attorneys are weighing whether to criminally charge former president donald trump. and there's news out of both investigations in georgia, nbc news has confirmed the special grand jury heard another potentially incriminating phone call donald trump made around the 2020 election this was to the then georgia house speaker, david ralston in a ten-minute call donald trump is said to have pressured ralston to open a special session to overturn joe biden's win in that state. what more we know about that conversation and how it weighed on jurors in just a moment because at the same time in

manhattan, prosecutors have spoken to stormy daniels in the hush money investigation her lawyer says she's willing to be a witness if needed it also appears michael cohen is finished with his time in front of the grand jury. he told reporters yesterday that he has not been subpoenaed for additional testimony or documents. and that it appears to him that a charging decision could come soon so how is donald trump and his team reacting? we have details on that as well. joining me from atlanta is blayne alexander and in west palm beach to the former president's former home is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard blayne, i'll start with you. talk to me about this call >> well, katie, this is a major development. before yesterday we didn't know that a recording existed and we didn't know that it was one of the pieces of evidence considered and put before the body investigating the former president for potentially

meddling in the 2020 election. we know this came to light because five special grand jurors spoke under the condition of anonymity with the ajc. i also spoke with the foreperson who told us, yes, that is one of the pieces of evidence we know very little about that call but it's about ten minutes long and we do know that during that phone call the former president tried to put some sort of pressure on the then house speaker here in georgia, david ralston, a fellow republican, asking him to call a special session in order to overturn the election results in joe biden's win here in georgia. of course we know that ralston resisted that call and no special session was ever called. but a couple of different anecdotal pieces we know from that call, ralston said that he was going to do whaet he believe to be the right thing. the former president asked ralston if you were to call a special session under the condition of fraud, for instance, who would stop you and she said that to her

recollection ralston responded a federal judge, that's who would stop me. what's interesting about all of this, katy, is that this is very parallel to the phone call that launched this entire thing, the long more than hour long phone call that trump placed to secretary of state brad raffensperger back in 2021 one was very long, this one was short. but it also draws the line of course because this is yet another georgia official that he called and tried to pressure to take some sort of action to overturn the election results here in georgia. >> it calls into question the state of mind and motivation we'll get the legal analysis a little more in a moment. let's talk about fani willis any idea of when her decision whether to charge or not to charge might be coming >> reporter: well, we know that it's something that she certainly has all the pieces in front of her now it's up to her to make that decision and announce when she's going to make that decision. the latest time piece is when she said it was imminent she said decisions were

imminent we don't know when she's going to charge or take this before a regular grand jury and what that will look like in terms of time. this piece of evidence is one that factors into the report that the special grand jury finalized and put before her and it's also something that will factor into her decision-making as well, katy. >> and we don't know if she'll charge either, still to be determined vaughn, let's talk about new york city, stormy daniels meeting with prosecutors michael cohen believes he's done with his testimony how is the trump team reacting and preparing? >> reporter: right i think actually the same conversation that fani willis is having in fulton county about what charges to bring forward to the grand jury to vote up or down on is what we believe the same conversation that is taking place inside of the manhattan district attorney's office now that michael cohen has wrapped up his two days of testimony, he was the key witness in this. we have a colleague of ours in lower manhattan here just this

afternoon who is trying to track to see whether that grand jury -- again, those proceedings are secret they are not publicly announced. they go about their business in a very secret manner we are trying to get our best reporting and understanding of exactly what the grand jury's next move is and whether the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg could seek either a misdemeanor or felony charge and present that with the evidence and testimony that the grand jury has heard and ask them to approve charges of potentially donald trump this is where you have seen over the last 24 hours donald trump is not naive to the realities that could be in front of him, potential criminal proceedings and you have seen on his social media account while he is here at mar-a-lago in palm beach, florida, he has posted several different messages the latest one here in just the last half hour calling michael cohen, of course who used to be his former lawyer and fixer who flipped on him after he served his own time in prison he called him a sleaze bag,

disbarred lawyer he said cohen has no credibility at any level, a total loser. of course this will be a key part of the trump counsel's defense, that michael cohen, who is the key witness here, is somebody who even u.s. federal prosecutors in the past said could not be trusted that is where the question mark is going to be for alvin bragg what evidence, what perhaps sort of testimony does he have from potentially other individuals who are affiliated with the trump campaign that met previously with the grand jury what sort of evidence beyond michael cohen is alvin bragg able to present to this grand jury if in fact he does seek indictment of donald trump >> here's a question for you, vaughn if donald trump is indicted in either georgia or in new york, again, still an if, if he is, though, and he has to be extradited -- say he refuses to appear in front of either one of those d.a.s if he is indicted.

the extradition process in florida would require governor ron desantis to get involved talk to me about the very interesting, then political dynamics that come into play. >> reporter: it's a very, very complicated and messy because, frankly, as one law enforcement official who i was talking to here in the state of florida told me, this is unchartered territory. i've talked to several legal experts who said we have never had a former president of the united states indicted, somebody protected by a federal agency, that being the secret service. we know that under new york state law that donald trump would have to go to the state of new york in person to go and be arraigned and that ultimately if he were not to go do that, that's where a lot of those question marks come in because new york authorities cannot come down here and arraign him in person or arrest him because, of course, law enforcement activity, they have no jurisdiction here in the state of florida and that's where you start

having conversations about governor desantis' role in this, the state attorney's office here, local sheriff's office that sort of becomes a little messy. so far, though, i think it's important to note that trump and his legal counsel have not suggested that he would not comply, despite the fact that they say this is what they believe to be a politicized prosecutal effort. >> michael cohen is ntexting me right now. he says they believe everything i have said is truthful but they don't believe that i have told them everything. vaughn hillyard, blayne alexander, thank you much. joining me now is legal analyst charles coleman. i want to start with the extradition question first i don't want to get ahead of ourselves because he has not been indicted, charged. >> sure. >> and we don't know if he will. >> right. >> and that's important to put out there. but if he does and, say, he does not show up to either georgia or manhattan, desantis would have

to get involved in florida, as vaughn just laid out but could he then travel to any other states if he's going to be campaigning for president and he refuses to show up for manhattan or georgia and say desantis doesn't get involved, can he go to arizona which has a democratic governor? can he go to pennsylvania which has a democratic governor? can he go to michigan which has a democratic governor? >> the answer is he can. this gets more complicated the more he does one of the reasons why is in order for the extradition process to take place, a warrant for his arrest has to issue. what would happen is his attorneys will go before the criminal court judge or the judge in the supreme court here in new york or the judge in georgia and basically appeal to give him additional time to cooperate. to basically say, look, he's not not cooperating, but as you know he's campaigning and doing other things can he get an extra day or extra two days depending on the judge, the judge has the discretion as to when it decides to issue a warrant that would kick forward

the extradition proceedings. >> so if there was a warrant and it kicked forward the extradition proceedings, and say desantis doesn't get involved. if he goes to michigan, arizona or pennsylvania, how much latitude do those governors have in turning him over to new york or dgeorgia if it gets to that point? >> if it gets to that point, they can get involved because there is an active warrant issued for his arrest. so they can decide to cooperate with new york or georgia law enforcement and get him back here or in georgia for him to be arraigned. >> it's an interesting thought question or thought practice let's talk about what's happening in manhattan right now. michael cohen believes that he's done testifying. he's got no more subpoenas for information or documents or testimony. stormy daniels has met with prosecutors. likelihood that she will get in front of the grand jury before alvin bragg makes a decision >> i would say it's reasonably likely because she is an important piece to the overall theory of the case that alvin bragg is attempting to advance i don't expect her to be on the

stand for three days like michael cohen was because ultimately her role in the entire conversation is fairly minimal. at the same time, it is going to be an important piece for alvin bragg to dot all his is and cross all his ts in terms of what he would move forward with with the grand jury around charges. >> so we potentially have a little more time there, potentially. what about the d.a. in georgia you have this phone call, you have the brad raffensperger phone call them together, does that paint more of a damning picture for donald trump as opposed to those two calls separate >> absolutely. this is explosive information about the second phone call that we didn't know about i honestly had questions about fani willis' ability to tie donald trump to what may be charged in fulton county now that you're hearing about this call to the statehouse and to the house leader, that is a very big deal and does a significant amount of damage to put those charges together. >> why why is it more damning than just

the phone call where he called brad raffensperger and said i need you to find x number of votes which just so happened to be one more than joe biden >> because you're talking about a different level of intent. you're saying, look, call a special session of the statehouse to more or less overturn the legitimate results of a free and fair election. you're also talking about where he says to him, well, if you called it on the basis of fraud, who is going to stop you by itself, either of those calls might be enough, but when you put them together and you talk about the notion of intent, when you talk about the notion of how intentional he was and what he was trying to do, it makes it so much clearer. >> would you say any of these are a slam dunk? >> i think they are but the question is for what the charges have different levels alvin bragg is toying with a legal theory that's tenuous at best when you talk about the campaign finance violations. this is a theory that he tested before and ultimately left

alone. i for one am curious as to what new information he has that has made him pursue it at this point. with respect to fani willis, i think she has a stronger case and more straightforward route but neither of them are slam dunks. he may be able to get indicted on both, but a conviction on either or both is a very different conversation. >> all right, charles, interesting conversation interesting thought exercise on the extradition stuff because who knows what might happen. who knows if he'll get charged who knows if he'll turn himself in who knows anything >> right. >> charles, thank you very much. we're also watching amarillo, texas, where a federal judge is deliberating right now, right this second on a decision that could immediately result in a nationwide ban on a widely used pill for medicated abortion joining me now from am israela is -- amarillo is dasha burns. the hearing ended right before we got there yesterday what's the expectation on when this judge will announce his

decision >> katy, hello from an amarillo where we have had about four seasons in the span of the last 24 hours while this judge has been deliberating. we've got some snow here right now. yeah, we're waiting. the answer to your question about timing is we don't know. look, there have already been a few twists and turns in this case we didn't even know that the hearing was happening yesterday until the last minute and the judge tried to delay putting that hearing on the public docket what we do know is that the focus of the ruling and the focus of the hearing yesterday was on the preliminary injunction request from the plaintiffs the plaintiffs asking the young to compel the fda to pull the drug mifepristone off the market the plaintiffs, a group of anti-abortion medical organizations and doctors arguing that the fda didn't adequately assess the safety of the drug when it approved it

back in 2000 and said that the fda endangered women further when they changed regulations around the drug, allowing for things like doctors to prescribe it via telemedicine. the fda and government lawyers yesterday said that the plaintiffs' case has no merit. they argued that a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs would amount to, quote, unprecedented action that would cause significant public harm, katy. >> dasha burns, thank you very much we'll go right back to you if we get any news out of that courtroom. on the subject of women's health, the cdc says the united states had one of the worst rates of maternal mortality in this nation's history back in 2021 1,205 women died during pregnancy or shortly after birth in 2021, up 40% from 2020. that is a huge spike that the cdc says is in part due to covid. both the disease itself and the disruption to routine wellness

checkups just like the pandemic itself, women of color were disproportionately affected. white women experienced 26 deaths per 100,000 black women were 70 deaths per 100,000. and this upward trend you're seeing right here has made the united states the most dangerous high-earning country to give birth. those numbers are down from 2021, but they are still at historic highs. still ahead, they released the tapes. the pentagon showed video of a russian jet dumping fuel and colliding with a u.s. drone. what russia is now saying in response. and new reporting from politico what a trump-aligned group is doing to push investigations into president biden. plus, though, what has prompted protests to erupt all over france? it's getting ugly out there. we are back in 60 seconds. ♪3, 4♪ ♪ ♪hey♪

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we asked and now the pentagon has delivered this morning the department of defense released video of a russian fighter jet harassing a u.s. drone over the black sea. you can see a spray of fuel and a collision. now nbc news has exclusively learned that the aggressive action was approved at the highest levels of power in the kremlin, according to three u.s. officials familiar with the intelligence joining me now is keir simmons and nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube. so moscow has denied this, but now the u.s. and our allies have released the footage how are they responding today, keir >> reporter: well, moscow isn't responding i guess that's not surprising. i think ironically the best insight we have into what the russian government is thinking right now is from courtney's great reporting.

i do think it was insies i've to hear what the russian ambassador said when he talked about these reaper drones, these u.s. drones are used he said for u.s. intelligence which he said is then given to the ukrainians to help them on the battlefield i think that gives you a picture of why the russians might be trying to target these drones. this video is dramatic but shows the attempt to target these drones why the russians might be doing that effectively it's strategic they want to get these drones out of the battle space if you like, even though the u.s. has released pictures that suggest they weren't that close to the ukrainian coast. still, they want to push these drones back because that they think would help them. you could call it strategic and desperate but not speaking publicly perhaps that's not surprising too because this video does undermine the claim the russians

were making that their plane did not clip the drone it's clear that it did, even if you don't see the actual moment of contact. >> courtney, you said you were asking the pentagon for this video. well, it was delivered tell me more about the sourcing you have or the information you have from your sources about how high this went within russia, the approval process for what we saw happen and whether it was approving what exactly happened, the dumping of fuel, the collision with this drone. >> i'd like to say that the u.s. decided to release this video because of the pressure from the journalists, but the reality is according to a number of people they did it because epted to shore up or reinforce their version of the narrative there are very different versions of events between what the u.s. says happened and the russians say happened. and this proves some elements, including the fuel dumping and dangerous and reckless flying by those russian pilots back to exactly who in the

russian government may have known about this according to the u.s. officials we spoke with about it, the highest levels of russian leadership, that civilian leadership, not just military, were not only aware of this but approved of this extremely aggressive action here now, that includes things like weaving around this drone, flying very close to it, potentially even dropping the fuel on it it's nearly impossible for the u.s. to know exactly why it is that they're doing this. is it the russians' attempt to drive the drone away, that's plausible. is it a possibility that they were dumping the fuel on it to potentially disable the camera or an secure it from seeing anything or were they trying to drive up the cost, the u.s. cost of this mission. think about it from the russian perspective. the u.s. has been providing billions and billions of dollars to the ukrainian military for this war

if a u.s. drone is damaged or in this case completely destroyed, that's another cost that is applied to the u.s. government here in the case of more than $30 million, the cost of one of these reaper drones. so what's not clear is exactly how high in leadership we asked over and over if that includes vladimir putin and all we got is it's the highest levels of leadership, katy. >> courtney kube, keir simmons, thank you very much. it seems like tensions are only getting higher between our two countries. coming up, did janet yellen assuage fears on the hill today about a banking collapse what markets are doing in response right now first up, though, new reporting from politico. what a group tied to donald trump did to coach a group of house republican staffers on eithr investigations into president trump. [ phone vibrates ] introducing astepro allergy. steroid-free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. now with astepro fast allergy relief,

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house republicans started the legislative year by immediately launching a series of investigations into president biden and his administration and now politico is reporting they have been getting coaching. a conservative group closely aligned to donald trump organized a boot camp for gop congressional staff on how to conduct aggressive oversight joining me is heidi przybyla who's bylined on that and punch bowl founder jake sherman. heidi, tell us more about what

you've learned >> katy, these are based on recently disclosed house travel disclosure forms and they tell us a couple of things. first is the extent that trump friendly activists are embedding themselves within congressional officers, busing these individuals, mostly mid to lower level staff out to the eastern shore to train them on how to conduct oversight. it also tells us what they're doing to try to create a pipeline of future leadership within the republican party. this showed us that the staff is actually regularly being bussed out to a compound on the eastern shore that was purchased for an activist group with close ties to the former president. it's run in part by his former chief of staff, mark meadows, and includes principals like cleata mitchell, you might remember who was one of the lawyers on the georgia phone call where trump ordered the officials in georgia to find him more votes these individuals are the ones who are involved in busing these

individuals out to the boot camps. we know there have been a number of them, katy, that have been for researching. in this case it was how to conduct oversight. they have a number of panels and they stay overnight. i talked to ethics experts and they say, katy, while there's actually nothing technically wrong with this, nothing illegal with this, in the words of one ethics expert, it is unseemly to have an activist group actually training congressional staff who are conducting oversight investigations but republicans i talk to say, look, we're really above board and open about this. we have nothing to be embarrassed about with this, this is just part of the process and an exchange of information but i haven't really seen anything like this before and the ethics experts and oversight experts i talked to said while this has been going on about 18 months, it is kind of a new trend here in the republican party to be doing these types of

trainings. >> jake, you've been covering capitol hill now for too many years. have you heard anything like this before, anything similar? >> yeah. groups like the heritage foundation and lots of groups do these retreats before this it was -- by the way, cpi, this group, hosts something in florida they do these things quite frequently and there's always outside groups that are involved in hill training a few thoughts here. why would anybody listen -- why would anybody on the oversight committee listen to these folks after what happened with the election in 2020, especially with these people's efforts to overturn the election, which was obviously idiotic and didn't work that's number one. mark meadows personally has some history on the oversight committee. he served on it when he was in congress before he left for the

white house so i would be modestly, if not terribly interested in hearing what he had to say on oversight. that's number two. i did see on these disclosure forms someone interesting. former aide to darrell issa who was the oversight committee chair in 2011 and was somewhere between effective and overreaching as oversight chairman here's the thing, katy here's the top line here, every poll republican leadership gets tells them the same thing. people want oversight but they don't want it to be their top priority there's a lot of problems in this country and voters don't want you to be intensely focused on oversight as your top priority but they can't help themselves ever. no majority can. every majority overreach at the same time, every majority is able to find embarrassing things about the other party >> let's talk about this majority right now, this congress, at least in the house. are they getting anything done

even these oversight hearings, there's been some consternation or frustration about their effectiveness so far beyond that, jake, are they getting any legislation to the floor, any votes >> well, the house is out this week and the senate, katy, had a grueling 44-hour week this week and that's not in a row. they are just here for two days basically and they are going to be out of here or they're probably already out of here, the senate is. listen, there's a tale of two chambers here. the senate is actually getting stuff done they repealed the aumf, the authorization for use of military force for the '91 and 2002 wars. they are doing things on a bipartisan basis the house made a big deal they were able to stop a change to the d.c. criminal code that was last week they go on their retreat from this sunday to tuesday the big thing, kakaty, two big

things, banking. is there going to be oversight number two, debt limit, budget two biggest things right now we'll talk to leadership the next couple of days and get an update where they are on those things but those are the two big legislative pieces in the next, you know, three or four months. >> we'll talk about banking in a second but you mentioned aumf which is interesting, repealing that finally after those wars. >> yes. >> and secondly, saudi arabia, this alliance between senators murphy and lee on trying to do something that the executive branch has been unwilling to do, which is push back on saudi arabia and hold them accountable for their human rights record. talk to me about what's going on there. >> not only push back, they celebrated when the saudis bought several dozen boeing airplanes for their new regional and international airline. senators murphy and lee are using, as we reported, a very hardly used, almost never used, i think never used strategy to get the administration to issue

a report basically it's a number of bank shots. they issue this report, they can vote on it on the floor and it can end up with punitive action on saudi arabia. remember, we give saudi arabia a lot of money saudi arabia now has a new alliance with iran brokered by china. this is a very fraught issue on capitol hill and by the way, senator murphy, chris murphy, close ally of the white house, one of the leading voices on foreign policy on capitol hill this is getting attention on the other side of pennsylvania avenue and will definitely get attention at foggy bottom especially because people think chris murphy wants to be secretary of state some day. so anything he does is something people have an eye on. >> it's also interesting because saudi arabia cut their oil production right when russia was ramping up its war and we were trying or the west was trying to take the financing away from russia so by cutting oil production, it just kept all the prices higher, frustration there. heidi, i know you want to jump back in. >> yeah, i know jake and i have both been covering capitol hill

for a long time but i haven't seen anything like this before where you have an activist group creating a whole compounding around the capitol -- >> true. >> -- to help staff on capitol hill especially activists that are involved in trying to overturn an election. so i want to clarify this is part of something much bigger. it's not just a couple of retreats and some lobbyists, it's part of something much bigger. >> thank you for that. heidi przybyla, thank you so much, jake sherman thank you as well. and do what i say or get banned in the united states. the biden administration's tiktok ultimatum and it's getting bad in france. president macron is essentially overruling his own government and trying to force the country to increase the retirement age to 64. the intense backlash from lawmakers and the public happening right now on the streets of paris

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shareholders and debt holders are not being protected by the government. importantly, no taxpayer money is being used or put at risk with this action >> treasury secretary janet yellen testified before the senate finance committee today she said emergency actions taken by the fdic last weekend did not rely on taxpayer money like

those bailouts in 2008 did it is a point the administration has been stressing, that this is not taxpayer money, that this, they say, is not a bailout so why are bipartisan lawmakers still upset? joining me now is cnbc's senior washington correspondent, eamon javers and "the new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc peter baker. eamon, talk to me about what happened on the hill today and what sort of pushback yellen faced. >> the first thing janet yellen wanted to do on capitol hill was just reassure markets and the american people generally that the banking system is safe your deposits are safe we took the necessary action all is well here so that's message number one the second message is we did this in an appropriate way that's not going to cost taxpayers any money because they used this deposit fundwhich is filled by money paid by banks to do the bailout here, whether you call it a bailout or a government intervention or whatever you want to call it there was government action taken to make sure that this

contagion didn't spread to other banks. that's the fear when you have a run on the banks scenario. that's what they stepped in to do now there's going to be a lot of political fighting about what you call that, who got hurt, how much the administration did or didn't do and whether they did enough or too much you're already seeing the europeans coming out and saying the u.s. government did too much and they used a sledgehammer to kill a house fly. >> the motivation as well, there's consternation about the motivation that this sends to other banks about what they can get away with. that even though the deposits total much more than $250,000, that the government will step in because the government is scared of, as you said, contagion. >> and the reason why that's dangerous, katy, is because you have this question of risk in a bank, right? the reason the silicon valley bank went down is they were taking too much risk with the deposits they had on hand. if the case is the government can be expected more or less to come in and backstop you no matter what, you're going to see

bankers take a lot more risk on because they can make a lot more money. if the government is going to rescue them anyway, what's the big deal, right? so by backstopping these banks, you create a risk appetite that's too high and create a scenario where things can go bad. the biden administration is arguing they didn't do that. >> we got some breaking news the fdic and occ, federal reserve and department of treasury have issued a joint statement saying that 11 banks announced $30 billion in deposits into first republic bank it's a show of support by a group of large banks and demonstrates the resilience of the banking system bank of america, citigroup, wells fargo, morgan stanley, pnc bank, state street truist and u.s. bank, 11 banks, $30 billion to first republic. i wasn't aware that first republic was in trouble. >> yeah. so first republic was also in the similar situation to what we

saw with silicon valley bank over the weekend this, i think, is exactly what the administration wanted. they want the private sector to step in and do this. you saw the same impetus in 2008 where they tried to get the big banks to buy each other up rather than have the taxpayers bail them out when there's a situation that could be detrimental. in this case it looks like they have been able to bring these other banks to the table, other financial institutions to the table with real cash, $30 billion is a lot of real money, and that's going to send a message to depositors and everybody in the banking system more generally you know what, these banks are okay they're going to get backstopped. there's cash out there this is not a situation where you have to take your money out of the bank and put it under the mattress that's the thing people fear when that fear contagion gets loose in banking, it can be very scary. so the government's job in a situation like this is to come in and say we got it, this is backstopped. if they can, recruit other private sector participants come in and do exactly what this announcement says is doing.

>> 11 banks in the private sector doing this. peter baker, you've written about the politics of this all and the really bad hangover this country still has about 2008 and what the government did to step in and help not just consumers at the banks or actually not as much consumers, but to really shore up the banks themselves. there's anger that that ended up helping the shareholders and the bank owners and the investors, the big guys and not so much the little guys. >> sure. if you and i had a business and we went out of business, the government wouldn't step in to protect us the idea was in 2008 that a lot of people who were losing their homes, losing their jobs, losing their life savings felt pretty aggrieved to see the government step in with hundreds of thousands of dollars to shore up the banks. the goal was to keep the system from crashing which would have hurt everybody but this is a long-term hangover, you're right president biden was then the vice president at the time, coming in in january 2009 after

george w. bush started the bailouts it was up to obama and biden to continue them. he saw the resentment and the anger and the continuing political damage that that did arguably it gave birth to the tea party movement on the right and maybe the occupy wall street movement on the left in some ways you can make the argument that it helped propel donald trump to the white house. so when you see president biden talk about that this, he will not news that b word he's trying to rescue depositors, not investors. not trying to help the people that made bad risks but help the people who innocently put their money in the banks and make sure they don't lose as a result of the bad risks. >> very trickily politically, as peter laid out again the breaking news, 11 banks depositing $30 billion into first republic bank, $5 million each, around there, but $30 billion from 11 banks from the private sector, not theeamo

much. we showed you the piles of garbage on the streets of paris yesterday. trash collectors alongside millions of others have been striking for weeks, recruising to accept president macron's attempt to raise the retirement age. today the president went around the lower house of parliament pushing through the increase without bringing it to a vote. he said it's a necessary measure to save the entire pension system the reaction in the assembly and on the streets was swift molly hunter has more. >> reporter: the reaction was absolutely immediate you heard boos, it was raucous people banged on tables instantly when it was announced and people took to the street. so we are just out here and hundreds and hundreds of people have gathered. they're burning tires and waving flags. this is not a new agenda item on president emmanuel macron's

agenda it's certainly surprising the way it actually went through he's been saying since his first term he's a finance guy and he's crunched the numbers and mathematically france could not support future generations so the thrust of this bill is it rage raises the retirement age from 62 to 64 he now has two problems. the first is he does not have the political majority or the majority to get bills passed popularly and publicly it's deeply unpopular according to the most recent polls, 70% of people across the country not only oppose the bill but support a strike so that's what we've been seeing the last couple of weeks unions have been striking, the police, schools, the metro was not working this afternoon i've been here about 24 hours. there are piles of garbage all over the city. 9,000 tons of garbage are currently on the streets so what happens now? and we saw the reaction almost immediately with these strikes and the unions have just

announced they will continue to strike, so we will continue to see the protests of course when people are striking they do not get paid so that's certainly pressure. and the second thing is politically as the opposition now has 24 hours to come up with a vote of no confidence. that's incredibly rare in france if it gets through, though, that could oust both his prime minister and bring down the government i'll send it back to you. >> molly, thank you very much. coming up next, tipartiktok pushes back against president biden's ultimatum. and does the president really have the power to n batiktok in the united states?

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>> you know, it is not clear. it would be unprecedented, but according to the new legislation moving through congress, they may very well give him the opportunity to do so. why would he want to do that? this is the thing. the data that tiktok collects on users includes things like name and age, phone number, location, but these are all the things that everybody collects in the social media sphere. surveillance of customers is how that industry works and so, presumably his greatest concern here is the ownership structure, the fact that the chinese own parent company of tiktok has in theory, the legal right to demand information from the company and we have seen, of course, leaks in the past and we have seen the last year, employees fired after

going after the information of individual users. that is a kind of leak that presumably the president is worried about and that is why he would be pursuing this unprecedented step. >> any chance of them acquiescing and selling? in the statement they said it would make a difference. what do they mean by that? >> is not yet clear whether they would acquiesce. does not seem that they want to. certainly in the statement they provided us, they said the best way to take care of this is transparency, is a good faith policy, which they say they have already implemented and they have also pointed out that the really has not been any sense of a real national security issue here and so, it does not seem at this point that they are going to quaciesce. certainly, the united states where the first amendment is one of our or principles, legal fight over efforts to ban this would be the next thing that we would expect here. >> after we banned it on our government devices, the uk has abandoned on their government devices over there. that will do it for me today. deadline: white house is next.

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