today you look at the people they're all still knocking around, they failed upwards -- rehabilitated and he's swappin cough drops. he's painting painting meanwhile hundreds of iraqis are dead -- tens of thousands injured. it's a scandal that people haven't been held to account for -- 24 sundry. >> i agree with that 100 percent. mehdi hassan, whose brand-ne book, when every argument is out now, a really great read pick it up get it for someon who could use. it mehdi, thanks that's all in on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex >> chris, the question o accountability in our american democracy seems increasingly vaporous >> it certainly. doesn't it has for a long time it's partly why trump exists but why would, is anyone gonna get him question >> the fifth avenue school o accountability, it's one of th

biggest maybe truisms he's eve spoken >> thank you, my friend. and thanks to you at home fo being here it came as a shock, near the end of the january six committee's sixth hearing last summer when vice chair, liz cheney, dropped a bombshell. the prospect of witnes tampering in the investigation >> first, here is how on witness described phone call from people interested in that witnesses testimony. quote, what they said to me is as long as i continue to be team player that they know i'm on the right team. i'm doing the right thing, i'm protecting who i need to protect. you know all continue to sta in good graces, in trump world >> as long as i continue to be a team player. while the news of potentia witness tampering by trump world was shocking, it wasn' the last week hear about it. in december, the committee

released transcripts o closed-door depositions with witnesses. through those depositions we found out that former whit house aide, mark meadows, an star january six committee witnesses, cassidy hutchinson, appeared to have been th subject of an effort by trum world to influence her testimony. by way of a refresher. early on in the committee' investigation, miss hutchinson was represented by a forme trump white house lawyer named stephen passantino he was being paid by a trump super pac, meaning tha hutchinson didn't have to worr about what would likely be expensive legal fees trump world was taken care o -- but that came at a price according to hutchinson before she was opposed by the committee, passantino told her quote, we just want to focus o protecting the president we all know you are loyal. amir lawyer, i know what's bes for you. the less you remember, the better don't read anything to try and drug or memory don't try to put togethe timelines. >> in other words, forge

everything which is not something you hea unless you have supporting rol and a mob fell but that apparently's advice you get when you have a trum backed lawyer. and tonight, we're learnin that that curious, and ver suspicious dynamic of trum world paying the legal fees of witnesses ensnared i investigations into the former president, that whole thing is still happening. this, time in special counse jack smith's investigation int the trump mar-a-lago documents fiasco, cnn's reporting tonigh that dozens of mar-a-lag staffers, and people insid trump's orbit, have been subpoenaed by the specia counsel team to appear befor the ground jury in washington, d.c. and that many of the mar-a-lag staffers, who've bee subpoenaed to testify or reportedly being represented b attorneys paid for by trum entities i should, note that nbc news hasn't yet confirmed thi reporting. but it's interesting there is no indication here if

illegality, a propriety in thi reporting but it sure does raise a whole lot of questions cnn also goes on to report tha today, margot martin, former white house staffer who move to trump - appeared before a grand jury i d.c. and that one of the specia counsel's most senio prosecutors was involved i that testimony quote, the staffers are of interest to investigator because of what they may hav seen or heard well on thei daily duties around the estate including whether they saw boxes or documents interes office suite or elsewhere. they are casting in extremel wide net, anyone and everyon who may have seen something, said one of the source familia with the justice department' efforts. by all reports, special counse jack smith is quite busy we know from reports to th special counsel has sought the additional testimony of trump' lawyer and the classifie documents case a man name evan corchoran. and mr. corchoran has argued that attorney -- prohibits him from testifying.

special counsel jack smith's team is reportedly - attorney-client privileg doesn't apply when those communications could be used i further of a crime this thing is called a crime fraud exception. today, we see news is reportin when exactly the special counsel's team is interested i asking mr. corchoran about quote, special counsel jac smith is pushing to question a attorney for former presiden donald trump about an allege phone call the two men held as investigators were buildin evidence about trump's potential obstruction. the illogical would've been on the same day that investigator subpoenaed the trump organization for surveillanc footage from trump's mar-a-lag resort as the government grew suspicious, the trump continue to hold on to classified materials even after one of hi attorneys asserted in a swor statement that he had complied with the subpoena requesting any remainder documents in his possession while the special counsel' investigation at least one o them is clearly ramping up

it's far from the only investigation into the forme president. in fact the potential charge looming in both new york and georgia. we may be at a point where all of these investigations into trump are finally coming to head joining us now are danya perry former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan donna and barbara, thanks fo being with me this evening and i'll start with yo donna, in terms of what seem to be unusual to me at least and on its face. is this notion that the person that is under investigation ha his affiliates, paying for the council of other people who ma be important witnesses in that very same investigation. is that unusual, and if so what does it suggest to you? >> it's not a typical, and it' not inherently nefarious you see third parties paying all the time legal fees for witnesses o defendants

it could be apparent, it could be accompanied which is arm -- to identify one other director or officers. here as you pointed out in you introduction, it's more akin t a mob boss paying for th underlings so that they'll fal into line. we saw that and really excruciating detail with cassidy hutchinson's testimony there is now an ethics complaint against former attorney and there i think that approac is criminality it certainly - attorneys ethical duty t represent the interestsof hi client in that case. or certainly it appears that way from the testimony we've heard. >> is there anything to be don in this situation, we know cassidy hutchinson's eventuall has new council. and that's when she became infinitely more forthcomin that the committee is there anything that can b done to encourage witnesses no to use certain counsel >> when, if it's a time criminal prosecutions brought. the prosecutors will likel

request, and the judge wil surely grant a hearing that will cast the loyalties essentially of that person's attorney and a judge may excuse tha attorney, in appoint one for that witness in the event that the judg finds that there is undu pressures being mounted either a carrot or a stick on behal of the witness >> barb, i want to ask you the subpoena dragnet that's fallen over mar-a-lago, is it surprising to you that - was a lot of people thought th mar-a-lago case, we were tol from reporting in th washington post last fall, charging decisions wer imminent before the specia counsel was brought into this, does it suggest to you tha this investigation is going to go on, much longer how do you read the subpoenain of new witnesses at this stage of the game? >>, yeah it's difficult to

know, alex what's going on but i can imagine some prosecutors have a different perspective o how much information they want to lock in before a case goe to trial i can understand why jack smit might want to talk to all th people who work at mar-a-lag and might have some exposure t the facts that occurred here even if he doesn't want to cal those people as witnesses, ultimately, a it may be useful to lock them into the stor now. , so they can't be used as defense witnesses an neutralize the story by lockin them in now, what you don' want to happen is to charg donald trump now, the case goe to trial, you think you have a solid case and then there is a dramatic moment where th courtroom door burris open, an some butler who worked a mar-a-lago comes in and says i'm the one who stash th documents somewhere. i forgot to mention at all this time by interviewing everybody that had access to that, place you might learn something ne but it seems to be more likely that you're just walking i people to avoid having the become defense witnesses dow the road >> it's fascinating.

it's effectively, each - insurance policy,? write the feds, the doj ar saying we're gonna neutraliz you as a defense meant b calling all of you in, maybe trying to do their own form of insurance by having counsel, they're paid for council are present these witnesses. is that's what's happening here? >> i don't want to make an accusations about what the trump lawyers may or may not b doing, as danya, said there is an ethical duty by a lawyer to represent a client in thei best interest. and if they believe that there is some conflict they're supposed to get themselves out of that situation. , so a client can have zealous representation,. i don't know if it's going, on all we heard from cassid hutchinson about her representation does sugges that it might be part of the memo that donald trump engages in but as a prosecutor you just want to buttoned down anything where there might be a littl escape valve so there's no way out once you bring your case >> surely, and who knows wha those lawyers are doing with

their clients. the fact that trump affiliated super pacs are paying for th means that somehow trump mus think there's some skin in the game in terms of having hi folks play for their counsel he's not known to be a prolifically generous presen bubble set that side for a minute evan corcoran, the crim far exception, and the fac that we now know with th pacific sort of incident is, a phone call between trump and his lawyer on the very same da that the doj wants to subpoena this video which ends up being pretty meaningful to this investigation. what do you think of the cas the doj is trying to lay out here >> again, not sure - >> i'll go to donna first, and then i absolutely want to hear what you have to say, mob. >> i want to hear what she has to say as well it sounds like they're making strong argument, and according to reports we may have a decision from the district court as soon as tomorrow. we'll see what the judge thanks it sounds like a stron

argument, and in that event, mister clerk or in will have t testify, i have to provide benevolence and testimony bu could indeed incriminate his client it may very well be that - mediately peeled, it runs up and down the circuit it's certainly the m.o.. in trump world so, it might be that the testimony isn't coming ver quickly. but it will come >> do you read anything,, dany the crime fraud exception that jackson it's trying to go at trump lawyers on crime fraud does it seem ambitious to? you order does that seem sor of - situation like this >> that's an mo in this case we've seen it already, distric court in california has alread found that the crime from -- to a different lawyer of trump >> john eastman? >> correct and the number of lawyers in hot water themselves and having represented trump -- grandeur-y subpoenas issued.

this is out to say, part o the. chorus >> barb, i want to as you about what's happening i these timelines. that all seem to be to som degree converging. we don't know what jack smith' doing, whether he'll charge th former president with anything there is action happening at the same time that we're hearing that there's potential indictments coming down. from alvin bragg, the da in ne york, at his investigation int trump in the hush mone payments made to stormy daniel and fani willis, the da in for county, georgia. that's looking into -- subvert the results of the 202 election does it surprise you that thes weather fronts seem to b converging at the same time? >> i suppose it as alex, you think about thes cases there varying degrees of complexity the stormy daniels cas could've been charged years ago, here we are seven years afte the fact that that's being charged, it doesn't surprise m that the january six cases taking until now and beyon

because of its complexity. and the georgia case falls somewhere in between, but think it's very likely tha we're gonna see charges next week in the stormy daniels case i think we're gonna see charge from fani willis, sometime within the next month, if no sooner and these two cases with jac smith, i'm not sure, but i does get the feeling tha they're getting closer to the. and because they're puttin witnesses like mike pence into the grand jury , so it sounds like they'r putting close to the end there we could have a situation wher donald trump is defendin himself in court, in fou different places, new york georgia, maybe florida if they charge - they could charge it in d.c. but also in washington, d.c. you'll have to have cour appearances on all those places i imagine that he'll walk amid as the circus that he relishes and uses for fundraising, an to claim victimhood angr events but it's still needs to be distracting to a candidate schedule you can't have a rally if yo need to be in court. >> and once he has a rally a

court. which is not out of the real of the possibility when we tal about donald trump danya, the new york times ne reporting about the defensiv that trump may be testing ou as a pertains to potential indictments. already did an excerpt fro that reporting according to two of trump' political allies, the campaign the trump campaign, will aim t portray any charges as a coordinate of offensive by the democratic party against trump who's trying to become only th second former president to win a new term after leaving office specifically, his campaign tea plans on trying to connect mr. brags investigation into trump to president biden i understand the political strategy of that, but as a legal defense, how does that work, what would your advice b if you are a defense council i this situation >> it would be to find a legal defense. that's accurate. it's been the defense since da one. this is a political witch hunt

here as you just discussed wit barr, there are many different battles that are converging al at once on him i guess that gives him mor ammunition to say that this is a concerted war against time but it's certainly not a legal defense. he's probably testing it out and hoping that if it does mee with - welcomed that he might try i out with a jury. it most certainly shot down by a judge. that's a jury nullificatio argument essentially it's not usually fly wit presiding trial judge. >> i wonder from the prosecuto standpoint how much do you nee to guard yourself for an onslaught of total waco, bunkers, circus like atmosphere it seems to be what they'r telegraphing at this stage how much does it actuall affect the trial, the rest o the investigation if by the wa

jack smith is trying t continue his work as they've been criminal charges in the fulton county case and the manhattan. case how much does i complicate the situation for the prosecutors? >> i think they're trying to put their heads they've got to local prosecutors, jack smit on the one hand, the souther district of new york on anothe hand but there is local distric attorney out of georgia in a local district attorney out of manhattan. this is certainly never been done i'm sure they're bracing themselves, they're trying t put their heads down and do th work, get the job done and be a political about thi as much as they can. and actually try the case on its merits and as a legal matter which is what it is, and i'm sure they're just trying to get the distractions that other way, sweep them aside, and focus on proving the elements each and every element of each and every crime, that may or may not be charged and prove that to a jury beyon

regional doubt and that sort. job >> they need a set of nois counseling had votes that ar bigger than the island o manhattan. barr, of the statement from th trump campaign tonight on th manhattan da's quote unquote witch hunt americans will not tolerat radical left democrats turning our justices them into a injustice system to influence a presidentia election, which is all the want to do one does worry in the way that trump has attended to see that personally target individuals. the degree to which isn't just about canceling the noise, but the concern for the physical safety of these prosecutors, these investigators. >> it's a very real threat, in the same way we saw thousand of people coming to the capito on january six when they believed donald trump's claims of a stolen election they're gonna take up th mantle and his defense as well i think when your charges, filed and it's a win and not a f, i think they'll be violence somewhere. i don't know how bad it will be, a bit there's unhinged peopl who do believe all these thing he says. that it's a witch hunt and hoax

and there will be let take u that mantle, in the same way that we saw after the search a mar-a-lago, court authorized search and we talked about how the fbi came in and raided his beautiful home and a man went to the fb office in cincinnati with nail gun and ak-47, and foun himself later dad later in the day after a standoff with th fbi. i fear we're gonna see those kinds of things because of the outrage that donald trum deliberately stirs up. >> my fear of this unknown i particularly acute danya perry, barbara mckay thank you both for your time and expertise this evening we have much more ahead tonight, however county in california that trump won in 2020 i totally changing its electio system because of a conspiracy theory but, next down in florida, they're quite literall rewriting the history of the civil rights era thanks to governor ron desanti and the stop will act. democratic - ana eskamani joins me to discuss all that that's coming up next, sta

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>> chances are you learn the story of civil rights icon ros parks back in elementary school she became the mother of the civil rights movement after sh refused to give up her seat to a white man on a bus and montgomery, alabama, back in 1955

parks's action inspire the montgomery bus boycott, whic led to the supreme court rulin that bus segregation was unconstitutional it's a fairly well-known story but 68 years later rosa parks' story is being, shall we say rewritten. the new york times reports today in an effort to get social study textbook approved for use in the state o florida. at least one publisher has mad significant changes to ros parks's story. the new york times compare three versions of the company' rosa parks story, meant fo first graders. a current lesson is now in florida, an initial versio created for the state textbook review and a second update version. in the current lesson on ros parks, racial segregation is clearly explained. quote, the law said africa americans had to give up their seats on the bus if a whit person wanted to sit down. in a second version created fo the florida textbook review, races mentioned indirectly quote, she was told to move to

a different seat because of th color of her skin. and the reference to white people is gone and in the, third update version, race isn't mentione at all quote, she was told to move to a different seat she did not. who knows why rosa parks was told to move could've been anything according to the new york times, the particular textbooks now i no longer under consideratio by the state from the times asked the florida department of educatio about that they suggested that studies weekly, the publishe in question had gone too far that the publisher said it was simply trying to follow florid standards. namely, the stop woke act. the stop will get act bans the teaching of any lesson, ones about race and racism that mak any student discomfort which could be anything that suggest stomach racism exists, or existed because who knows how that would make students feel especially white students. the stop will carry this

currently into effect from kindergarten through 12th grad in florida's public schools. but it's been halted i colleges and universities. due to multiple lega challenges and on that front we have news today the 11th circuit court o appeals ruled that while those challenges are working their way through the courts, florid cannot enforce the stop work act in colleges an universities joining us now is florida stat representative, ana eskamani representative eskamani, thank for joining. as i know you've been involved in a lot of these battles to basically stop with th governor in his allies are trying to do to florid education. how are you reading this victory in court today, though it's not permanent, it's a temporary victory of a sort. do you think it portends anything in terms of a large battle >> first of all, alex, thank you for having me. and it's a big victory for us, especially since right now we've had house bill 999, huge takeover of highe education. florida canceling certai

majors and minors. including women in gende studies, which i studied at th university of central florida. it goes after tenure, it changes general educatio courses. it councils the and crtc, an much of this bill's focus come out of the anti woke act, hb 7 the fact that we had thi temporary victory in court, it speaks to the thrust, th possible 999, that's also goin to be unconstitutional >> i just wonder, well and certainly the battle in an around these issues and higher ed, seems to have gotten mor traction in terms of pushing back then what's happening in k-12. these textbooks, this is what' actively happening it isn't theoretical these are publishes changing their textbooks for reason that remain sort of unclear at this juncture. it seems that it's an effort t comply with of a law that has deeply chilling effect on an discussion about race, o racism even if it happened 60 years ago. do you have the sense, we know

this one example of this publisher doing this, do you have a sense that othe textbook publishers may have been doing the same thing? >> while, not just publishers, we're seeing corporation eliminated the eye programs. even though they don't need to we see school boards expand, the don't say gay trans bill even though they don't need to there's this almost proactiv cohesion happening because so many of these entities whether it's public private, non profit. they're acting in a place of fear , so - people they don't want to talk about it anymore they embrace, the adversity of inclusion, the call it something. elsewhere seeing the censorshi go over the entire state o florida. even when it's not a law it's almost like they feel thi pressure, this force fro governor desantis to do that in the case of publishers, these are billions of dollar deals. oftentimes, the largest states dictate the curriculum in othe

states , so i assume that it's profit motive for some of thes publishers i would urge corporations to not give into this fascist agenda don't erase history to appease one man. it's so important that the nex generation know where histor so that we don't repeat it >> when you talk about who's pushing the agenda, certainly, the stop woke act is very much -- the governor likes to tout a an achievement of hi administration those groups that are workin hand in glove with his administration to execute this agenda i think it's important too tha we call attention to the reporting. on that the florida citizens alliance this is from the new york time reporting. today a conservative group has urged the state to reject 28 o the 38 textbooks that is volunteers reviewed. including more than a dozen by mcgraw hill. a major national publisher this is the kind of objectio that this group. as an eighth grade book gave outsized attention to th negative side of the treatment of native americans. well failing to give a fulle

account of their own acts of violence, such as the jamestow massacre of 16 22, in whic powhatan warriors killed mor than 300 english colonists >> who knows what will say about slave interactions, what we've given too much, put to much own isn't slave older - a symmetry here it's quite obvious when we're talking about the genocide of th native people in this country. but this seems to be working these folks, the florida citizens alliance seems to hav an outsized role in determinin what children can learn. is there a counter movement on the progressive side that' working to push back >> first of, all it's a very good point governor ron desantis ha surrounded himself wit extremists whether it's disorganization or moms for liberty, or thin tanks from other states that come to florida. he has surrounded himself with some of the words characters and people who did not have th best interest of every child i mind but to answer your question, w

do have organizations like the florida freedom project, and s many others that have really erupted as a county -- and also everyday people we're seeing more engagement from young people. students walkouts on college campuses the hearing we hadn't hous bill 99 this week. 220 people came out to testify against that bill here i tallahassee. to the point where the senat actually amended their version to adjust to some of the point that people made in the house. this backlash is happening from everyday people, we nee to maintain it, not just through legislative sessions but through the next electio sectional -- we keep big sure that we elect people that we have every by everyone's best interest in. mind not just a few will lead, not just their own political agenda >> i need to ask you, it seems like the fear is the point i all this even if there are challenges the idea that these laws exist that they've been proposed passed by the legislator, seem to almost be the point

in the same way that conservatives are trying t throw fear into the mix when i comes to abortion, and acces to abortion, or abortion medication the entire point is to terrify people enough to make choice that aren't good for them, o actually to prevent them fro seeking out the truth. i wonder if that strategy is working, or whether th national attention is having its dual effect. >> well, this is why i alway reference how every cultur wars a class war because to your, point when yo steer people from learning about their history, learnin what stories of their ancestors, of seeking gender affirmin care, or making the righ decision for the future by ending a pregnancy when you scare them for making those decisions, are als deciding what their economic stability looks like whether they're gonna be abl to have enough money to make ends meet, to access the car they need to live in authentic life to have higher education, to b three to be free thinkers.

so much of this is tied to separated the haves an have-nots. and making it harder for those of us what access is not alway clear cut. to really reach our fulles potential. we need to look at this no just from a culture lens, from an economic and class struggle lands. to ensure that we're lifting u every person, and overcoming these barriers which really ar designed to be cool for th sake of being. cruel and to punish people who already struggle with differen systematic barriers. i -- guess is not about winning every battle, it's about winning the. war >>, yates notable that we're talking about the public school system here that conservatives hav focused. on florida state representativ anna eskamani, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you >> we've got lots more ahead tonight. the tentacles of the big lie going to overall californi county election system and who exactly is to blame fo the largest bank failure since the 2008 financial crisis? stick around ♪ ♪ ♪

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trump lost the state o california by 5 million votes. but he won the states rura northern shasta county with 65% of the vote no one disputes the outcome. but now shasta county ha become ground zero for electio

conspiracies in the way that threatens to completely up in the count system of voting it all started back in 2021 in 2022 when the local militia group teamed up with a wealthy conservative filmmaker livin in connecticut and started a campaign to oust the republican leadership in shasta county. several long serving republicans on the board o supervisors who were replaced, with hard right members, hav now made it their mission to transform shasta county into even more of a conservativ utopia that apparently hostil takeover is already reportedly led to a devastating exodus of county employees who are now being replaced b fringe right-wing figures. today the l.a. times reports that the newly super conservative shasta county board of supervisors, offers the top job of running the county to the leader of california secessionis movement a man who wants to get all the rural conservative parts o california to secede from th more liberal parts and become 51st state

which is quite an idea they want us to secede from th blue parts of california except for san diego and point of silicon valley. anyway there's more, the new shasta county leadership now with a plan to council the county's relationship with dominion voting systems. that dominion's been providing election machines to shast county for decades but dominions also at th center of the baseless electio fraud conspiracy pushed by donald trump and conservativ media. so now in the conservative o shasta county, dominion's gott go and it's, plays shasta count supervisors are working with election conspiracy theorist pillow mogul, mike ledell, t develop a new system to counte all of shasta counties ballots by hand. wendell has promised to provid the county with all th resources necessary includin financial and legal resources. for any legal fight they hav with dominion. maybe some free pillows as well but who knows.

not everyone's on board with this plan. this week citizens of shasta county confronted the boar about that plan. as well as reports tha supervisor kevin cry, has been trying to meet with mr. lindel on the taxpayers dime. >> when you did fly across t meet with mr. lindell, did you use taxpayer money to fund tha trump? >> i did fly out they're absolutely >> okay. was it with taxpayer money >> i was on a county sponsored trip, parts of maya -- i paid for myself. that were outside the purvie of the county >> this whole city' been a hostage to this dominio voting machines situation. how are we supposed to have an election if an election wher the pop-up and i don't think the answer i a hand counted system provided by the my pillow guy it makes no sense. it makes no sense. when >> it's hard to know how man who south pillows for

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of the committee that ou banking system is sound. and that americans can fee confident -- if they fear deposits will b there when they need them. >> treasury secretary jane yellen today tested mornin during the finance committee she was there to discuss - biden's budget plans which began with som reassurance. because the clouds surrounding the second largest black claps in u.s. history, those cloud still haven't lifted and maybe that's because the reasons for silicon valley bank's failure are numerous. there was the bag's decision t put billions into long ter government investment. something that is traditionall safe, but as the fed raise interest rates that wa investment values plummeted. and when the bank client panicked - right on the bank. and then there was congresse 2018 decision to rollbac strict regulations established by the dodd-frank acting

sponsored of who is and i -- was with warren and othe democrats have argued that rolling back those regulations was a primary cause of silicon valley bank's failure. and who thought that those rollbacks were a good idea a the time none other than silicon valley bank back in 2015, svb ceo, gre becker told the senate banking committee that the bank had quote, deep understanding of the markets. strong risk management practices, a fundamental strength of the innovation economy. he also noted that svb's business model did not pose an systemic risk. and that dodd-frank would only put an outside burden on the back eight years, later svb's motto did clearly pose systemic risk that then required the federal government to create and activate i'm urgency rescu plans. as it turns, out the outsize burden mr. becker was talkin about. might actually have been a set of necessary guardrails. -- argues that americans should b outraged over all of this. there is no success for a she,

writes the complexity financia regulations and the dullness o balance sheet minutiae i shoul not allow -- misunderstanding what ha happened in the bank failed the government failed. once again, and the american people are propping up a financial system incapable o rendering itself safe. joining us now is andy lowry staff writer at the atlantic and the author of give peopl money. annie, my friend it's great to see you. thank you for being. yeah >> it's great to see yo too. thank you for having me. >> i wish we were talking abou cheery or things i do want to get your thoughts on, let's start with the regulatory rollbacks i think it was a bipartisa effort to rollback some of these dodd-frank protections i 2018, it was 13 democrat worked to repeal those parts o the dodd-frank act, thes mid-sized bags, mid size banks that had 200 billion dollar in assets my question to you as. these are people, democrats wh

names we no michael bennett of colorado chris coons of delaware, tim kaine of virginia, kristen sinema of arizona, jon teste of montana, mark warner of virginia well was it about the politica climate in 2018, that made these democrats went across th aisle to do something like this, and how did anyone convinc them that a bank with 20 billion dollars in assets was mom and pop shop >> these are great questions and they're not great answers. we've seen again, and agai that wall street and other financial firms are relentless lobby here is against thes regulations. they argue that the regulation hurt the american economy by preventing landing, by makin it such that it's only the biggest banks that can see the united states one of the guardians being made at thes regional banks, smaller bank could compete against a bigger banks, they said they didn't post systemic risk because they tended to operate

within a smaller combine but this is a crystal clea example of regulators stepping on a rake. what congress stepping on ou rate by relaxing the regulation that would come back and the lack of them would endanger the broader america economy. i require a bailout that's backed by the american people. i think at the time, there was some thought about trying to get some bipartisan work don during the trump administration i think we've seen the democrats in congress are no immune to the pressures from financial firms, from th consistent lobbying, we've see it again again, democrat willing to go along with thi kind of thing. though they tend to have folks on their side of the aisle tha are the strongest pr regulatory forces includin elizabeth warren >> i gotta say barney frank, the coauthor o dodd-frank, serves on the boat of signature bank. which is the other bank that failed in the wake of the sv failure. he joined the board in 20 ther vein, i mean, it's distressing

when you look at the list of democrats who've been involved in this moment and there is some of the champions of financial reform. how do you square somethin like that? >> it's hard to square without -- simple financial incentive here signature bank notably on like silicon valley bank that failure had a lot more to do with the crypto ecosystem. which thank goodness hav largely been kept out of the broader mainstream and wal street financial echo systems. there's been turbulence in those markets. but they haven't had very many real economy spillover as though they have been some precisely because congres did not get its act together t regulate and thus to allow crypto in. signature bank with a slightly different set of issues. but, yeah this is again, the american people should reall be asking themselves if they think that congress is capable of setting out the kind of regulations that we actually protect them here it's a really, really

disturbing a van despite the fact that it now seems damage control may hav worked fairly well and there might not be as broa a financial contagion that w initially worried. >> to some degree the juries out but what, could the feds actions incentivize ba behavior in the future >>, oh, absolutely absolutely the fed has come forward and said that we will not preven these financial institutions from failing in a way that would harm the real economy. it would spread financia contagion. they can and basically set themselves up as a backstop. and that will have this knoc on effect of a courage-ing not -- down the road. i also think that we're no experiencing this kind o unusual side effect, which i that this financial contagion, and the inability of the banking sector to keep itsel safe, it's complicating the fe path for interest rate policies because they're now concerne we pulling back on to suddenly

themselves it will cool the economy off and could put the entire economy at risk of recession we're dealing with really, really significant financial complications. all of which are completel unnecessary. all of which stem from thi bank having terrible ris management policies. and regulators and supervisors not stepping in when the should have, weeks and month ago. when it became obvious tha this problem could delve into crisis >> annie lowrey, thank you for giving us permission to be outraged and everyon everywhere all at once my friend, it's great to see you. next time we'll talk about something positive happening i the economy. thank you for your time. >> i hope so, alex thank you. >> we'll be right back ♪ ♪ get directv with a two year price guarantee.

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tonight, several thousan protesters lit fires and clashed with police, clad in riot gear throughout the city. and the images are breathtaking the thing that these protester are angry about is that today, french president, emmanuel macron, raise the retirement age in france from 62 years to 64 years but they're not just mad about that policy change, th protesters are also mad at the way macron did it. they were supposed to be a vot today in france's parliament o this issue it was unclear if macron's sid had enough support so, just minutes before that scheduled vote, presiden macron invoked special constitutional powers to sho horned the changes t parliament without parliaments approval french parliament is incredibl confusing, whether this will lead to a no confidence vote o the vote that just repeals wit the president just did, it's all too early to tell. it might be wise for republicans in this country wh have toyed with the idea o raising the retirement age and have proposed reforming th social safety net in all manne of undemocrati