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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," breaking news the international criminal court issuing arrest warrants for vladimir putin president xi is preparing to visit russia next week his first trip to moscow since russia invaded ukraine
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trying to portray himself and china as peacemakers the white house today calling on congress to claw back ceo bonuses from the failed banks and make it easier for regulators to bar them from future employment. as the treasury secretary prompts j.p. morgan's president to bail out another failing california bank. the former fdic chair raised the alarm about the 2008 financial crisis, she's joining me today good day i'm andrea mitchell in washington the international criminal court of justice issuing arrest warrants for vladimir putin and his commissioner of children's rights accusing them of war crimes, deporting thousands of
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children from ukraine to russia. moscow has denied all allegations of war crimes in ukraine. let's bring in dan deluce. >> it's very significant first of all, it's laying at putin's feet, this well documented chain of events by human rights organizations and western governments and our fellow journalists that children in ukraine have been forcibly deported and in some cases adopted by russian families. and yet, really without just cause. russia denies that anything untoward is going on but this is very dramatic that the head of the russian state is getting indicted here.
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it does complicate, perhaps, any future efforts to try to reach some kind of negotiated settlement it's going to perhaps, in the short-term, increase russia's paranoid outlook and distrust of the west no one can accuse the u.s. of manipulating the icc as you know, we haven't ratified that treaty. this is very much an independent decision from that court >> of course, the state department, the pentagon have been reluctant the state department less so recently they are beginning to change their view the pentagon reluctant because they felt that this would be used primarily against american soldiers in places like iraq and afghanistan and other places where we intervene what does this mean immediately for vladimir putin because there's no immunity for heads of state when it comes to war crimes. >> that's right. just traveling in the west now
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is a serious problem any country that has ratified the treaty for the international criminal court in theory would need to arrest him this is going to isolate him significantly. i think symbolically, this will infuriate him and the kremlin. it creates tremendous tension with vladimir putin, even if the u.s. isn't issuing the arrest warrants having said that, this particular charge, these charges are something we have not seen really since world war ii. this deportation of these children, thousands of children, some estimates tens of thousands, carries echos of the nazi war crimes. the documentation of this, the detail is very elaborate it's very hard to refute that this has been happening.
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of course, this other official, this commissioner of children has been public about it in the russian state media, they tried to present this as something positive, that these children are being somehow rescued or saved of course, the facts indicate otherwise. >> they refer to it as reeducation as well. dan, thank you so much joining us now is the director of military analysis and prosecution support for the atrocity crimes advisory group we know your twin alexander workwork ing there and having a military background as well i saw interviews you did with us in the last couple of weeks as you were investigating war crimes in ukraine. tell us about the significance of the icc against vladimir putin. >> thank you for having me i recently returned from my seventh trip since june of last year we work hand in hand with the
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prosecutors. we work on issues of command responsibility as you see from the indictment, one of the elements or one of the crimes is direct responsibility because of his failure to control the armed forces in such a way as to prevent civilian casualties and death and destruction to civilian objects we have been working with the ukrainians closely for some time recently, have connected with the international criminal court as well. >> the international criminal court has been controvcontrover. from my reporting, the state department since the munich security conference, they have been moving closer to the rest of the western european countries on the icc and its jurisdictions. >> that's true
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the relationship with icc is fraught with the u.s. government and it has been for some time. there's some valid concerns, frankly, related to icc potentially indictments against u.s. military and yu.s. officias which are, frankly, an infringement on sovereignty. but this war, the most significant land war in europe since world war ii, it has broken ground -- has broken the main principals of the rules based international system the u.n. was designed to prevent aggressive war this is the first such aggressive war, massive war in europe now is the time for the u.s. government, for all western -- all governments that are interested in maintaining a
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rules based order to come behind and prevent this type of aggression that we have seen from russia over the last year or so. >> you know, in fact, the documentation of war crimes has been very extensive. you are directly involved in it. we have talked to the prosecutor there who was in munich. they are doing an extraordinary job, are they not, of trying to document what happened in bucha, in mariupol and some other locations where there have been strikes against civilians? even the strikes against the utilities and electric power is considered a war crime significantly, the taking of the children, these tens of thousands of children, taking them to russian-controlled territory or across the border into russia itself is so profoundly disturbing. >> it's disturbing and, frankly, it's flagrant. we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. the ukrainians have 74,000 cases
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open i said this before they have nowhere near 74,000 prosecutors. each one of the cases is serious. this will be a very long-term process to investigate i think the icc has a significant role we have seen them play that role in recent days actually, recent hours with this indictment against vladimir putin and the official in charge of child welfare for the russian federation who fragrantly kidnapped a ukrainian child and claims to have adopted this child. this is a serious crime. frankly, if you look at the genocide statute, there's also a provision in the genocide statute that addresses crimes against children there's accountability the icc has charged a couple of crimes related to direct responsibility by vladimir putin and this official.
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but there are other potential crimes that could be charged in other jurisdictions. this is ultimately a web of accountability the icc, the ukrainian courts and probably the predominant role in addressing most of these 74,000 cases, and there will be other countries that have universal jurisdiction for war crimes, crimes related to violation of international criminal law, that will also be trying cases like this for quite some time. germany actually just last year was trying cases related to wa world war ii there are cases related to yugoslavia war crimes. this is something we are just seeing the opening gambit, but we will see over the next several decades. >> it does take many years in cases.
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we think of ma lo that. >> most cases in order to ensure due process, you would have to have the accused or the defendant in the dock, so to speak, in order to defend themselves, ensure due process the short answer is, the gold standard is to have the actual defendant in the courtroom but not necessarily in every case certainly, the ukrainians in a number of the cases that they have tried, they have tried some actual defendants, captured pows in person. but they have tried cases in absentia
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>> i want to read part of what the ambassador told me when she was here very recently on set. maybe last week or the week before about the children. she talked about the documentation, the uncontrolled taking of them she said, this cannot be forgotten. this cannot be forgiven. we will work even after we win until we get every child back, until everyone is punished for this this goes to the heart and soul of the terror in ukraine that they have been experiencing during this war. in terms of the documentation, do you think that as you said more crimes, more accusations can be added to this what about also this woman official, this russian official who has carried out these kidnappings? >> these cases are quite tragic.
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in many cases, there will be children orphaned as a result of russian actions, russians having killed their parents in bombing or some sort of attack these children are taken to russia short of dna, it will be extremely difficult to identify. frankly, we have only seen the tip of the iceberg think about areas under russian occupation, there are large cities in mariupol, in the donbas, parts of kherson, where we don't have the full scope of what these crimes look like. we don't -- when i say we, i mean the international community, but certainly the ukrainians just don't have a complete sense of all the losses both in life and the deportation
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of these children. that won't happen until these areas are liberated. we will see over the next several months after the ukrainians -- whethern they libt more territories, many more allegations of deportations. it's a tragedy >> thank you so much thank you very much for jumping on for us. such a major story >> thank you now to more breaking news in washington president biden calling on congress to impose tougher penalties for senior bank etch he cannive i -- executives whose mismanagement contributed to their failure. kristin welker is all over this story. talk to me about what the white house is proposing it does problem congressional action, which is sticky. >> that's where it gets tricky this follows on comments that president biden made on monday when he vowed to take and call
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for further action against bank executives who are engaged in mismanagement and see their banks fail this is the result of that let me just tick through the top lines of this, and then do some analysis on the fact that he is calling on congress to do this the president essentially calling on congress to expand the authority of the fdic to be able to take claw backs from bank executives, their stocks, their bonuses, also to bar executives from holding jobs in the banking industry when their banks go into receivership the third point, to expand the fdic's authority to bring fines against executives of failed banks. in terms of whether this will pass through congress, that's obviously a big question mark. congress is now divided. the ability to get this through in a timely manner, a lot of skepticism about that. but there is undoubtedly broad
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support for taking some type of action in the wake of the failure of svb and the other banks and all of the uncertainty we have seen over the past several days the question becomes, andrea -- i put this to an administration official here. is there more than president biden can do unilaterally? what steps can he take on his own? the reality, i am told, not a lot legally. this would be incredibly complicated. officials pointing to not only this action that the president is calling for by congress but also the fact that you have the sec, doj, fdic engaged in an investigation about what potential next steps they might be able to take. clearly, this continues to be a top concern here behind the scenes at the administration this is the next step that the president is calling for he is marking st. patrick's day. he is openn his way to capitol hill reporters have been shorting questions to him
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o he hasn't answered them yet we try to seek clarity on how quickly this might get done, if at all >> thanks so much. joining us now is the former fdic chair during the collapse of 2008 and the author of a children's book series "money tales. so much to talk about today. your reaction to the president's call on congress to step in and hold these bank executives accountable for what he calls their mismanagement. >> i would need to know more details. the fdic has a lot of authority to fire executives, to claw back pay, some rules i did as i was leaving in 2010 was to make sure we could claw back executive pay for the larger banks to use something called the liquidation authority.
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there's a lot of authority if he wants to strengthen it i'm all for personal accountability in terms of the -- addressing the immediate issues in the banking sector, i don't think that's where the legislative priority should be >> i wanted to ask you before this all happened about j.p. morgan and ten other banks called upon by the treasury secretary yellen to jump in and rescue first republic. was this the right move? >> well, i certainly like the private sector coming in to stabilize these banks better than government bailouts we did have bailouts with the uninsured in silicon valley bank and signature bank even though those won't be paid for by taxpayers, they will be assessed on the banking sector, including community banks. healthy banks will pay for the losses i don't like that. i'm glad the big banks stepped up the broader problem is spreading.
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the vast majority of banks, including regional banks are fine back to your first question. if mr. biden wants to spend political capital on this issue, he should focus on using -- congress using fast track authority they have to give the fdic the authority to provide a broa broad-based money. this is something we did during the crisis we did it temporarily. the problem now is, you do these one offs these two are systemic and we are helping first republic with the banks. who else is the government going to help? what about the rest of them? the impression is being formed, particularly with community banks, they are not getting help, which will mean their uninsured deposits will say, maybe we should go to a bigger bank that's not helpful i do think this thing keeps getting worse. he needs to go to the hill and get fast track authority,
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provide a temporary broad-based guarantee. >> would this have happened if the dodd-frank rollback hadn't taken place? would they still have bad bets on the spread on interest rates still have gone under? is there a way to -- >> i think so. >> is there a way to regulate -- the question is, do we need to better regulate these mid-side banks and do more stress testing? >> i think there's some ways we could strengthen regulation of all banks, including mid-size. i think there were mrs.istakes made but i don't think even if we hadn't done those -- silicon valley bank would have failed. it was a terribly managed bank very volatile, disloyal, if you
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will very poor risk management. the examiners should have caught this the auditors should have caught it a lot of eyes should have been on this bank that would have caught this early. they did not even if they did see it early, nobody did anything about it the mismanagement is the main problem. it's the fine line authority of management to prudently manage their bank i don't think the 2018 changes would have -- if they had not occurred would have made a difference here. i think it's important for people not to get the impression -- let's not politicize this. you have people on the republican side saying -- they were not managing their risk that's not true. we need to understand that there is no wide -scale deregulation n 2018 there were targeted changes. in retrospect, could have been done better.
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it was not wholesale deregulation i don't think it would have made a difference with silicon valley bank it still would have failed >> thanks to you thank you very much. >> thanks. nice seeing you. fighting for women democratic governors, including michigan governor whitmer, working to keep abortion access available to women we will talk to former white house press secretary jen psaki about that and her new show premiering this sunday at noon you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc kids are so expensive, dad. now katie needs braces. maybe try switching your car insurance to progressive. you could save hundreds. i don't know, dad. ♪♪ maybe try switching your car insurance to progressive. you could save hundreds. that's a great idea, tv dad. but i said the exact same thing. some day when you're a father, you'll understand. i'm his father.
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president is going to announce his re-election bid. the first lady said in africa, how many times does he have to tell you he says he intends to run. there are legal reasons not to declare -- political reasons, filings, campaign fund-raising and the rest what do you think in the way he is positioning himself should he do it sooner or later compared to the way donald trump is gearing up? >> he has been clear he has every intention of running dr. biden, his most important advisor, essentially said that the end of the fund-raising quarter, this is my bet, the end of march is the end. you get through that if it's april 1 or after, you start a new fund-raising quarter. i'm sure that's on their minds once you announce you are running for president, you have to pay for political travel in a different way. at the same time, he has this dynamic of these declare and potential republican candidates kind of fighting it out amongst
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each other for him, let that happen if you are in the white house, you think, let's wait for the right moment for him to announce >> most recently, the senate republicans uprated ron desantis, likely challenger to donald trump this is what you asked governor whitmer about. >> i did i asked her, ron desantis made several comments that over the course -- in a questionnaire to tucker carlson he made these comments where he called the -- he called it a territorial dispute which is what putin calls it what governor whitmer said, that's echoing kremlin talking points >> let's look at that. >> another potential candidate, i will call him, ron desantis, recently made comments -- he made clear this week, that supporting ukraine is not a vital national interest to the united states. what do you say to that?
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>> i am not an expert on geopolitics. i think it's dangerous when politicians use language coming out of the kremlin there's no question that calling it a territorial dispute is to formi undermine and downplay the illegal invasion of ukraine. it's offensive, maddening. i think it's dangerous for our national security. >> she may not be a geopolitical expert, but she framed it so accurately in contrast to what donald trump has said, what ron desantis has said and some house republicans. >> right as a fellow national security nerd, you and i here, i asked her about whether people are talking about this issue in michigan she said, yes. there's a large ukrainian population people have pride in the role theplayed.
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it's larger than that, about values >> in a number of states i was visiting a ukrainian village in chicago let's talk about the larger question of russia and china president xi is going for an unusual visit, first since the invasion, to moscow as a peacemaker it's remarkable. >> so he says. >> that's the way -- the air quotes were around that. that's what he is trying to do he just brokered a deal -- we don't know if it will hold up -- between iran and the saudis. it could lead to the end of the terrible civil war in yemen. he will go and he will not pressure russia to withdraw from what he has taken. he will make it look like they are ready to negotiate and zelenskyy isn't. that would forundermine the u.s. position and ally position
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>> right if you are president xi, who was just elected to a third term, he will be president as long as he wants to be, he has power, he is trying to position himself on the international stage. he has been walking there tightrope since the beginning of the invasion he has not said a lot publically to condemn putin there has been concerns for some time about what kind of support -- military support is being provided to russia by xi you can't have a deal or negono negotiation without both sides what i expect u.s. officials, my former colleagues will call out, and european officials is that you can't negotiate with just putin. you have to negotiate with zelenskyy and the ukrainians otherwise, it's not a negotiation. that's the important point >> jen, you proved in this segment, you have covered campaigns, you have run campaigns, from the inside
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be a judge this would be unprecedented. these protests are growing larger thursday with opponents for the first time in israel's 75-year history, including elite members of the military saying in such numbers that these changes will make israel no longer a democracy after 75 years. >> i came over to protest and demonstrate against the trial of the government to impose dictatorship on israel we have to fight for democracy. >> i'm here with so many other israelis to demonstrate against so-called reform which is threatening the israeli democracy. >> netanyahu defending his changes in berlin thursday >> it's presented as though it's a break with democracy it's not true. israel is, israel will remain a liberal democracy. not different and as strong and
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vibrant as it was before as europe is today we are not going to deviate from that one >> raf sanchez joins me from tel aviv we have never seen crowds like this week after week. the military this is so widespread. it's a rejection of the hardline coalition that netanyahu assembled. >> reporter: it is it's unprecedented the kroutd crowds we have seen weeks in a row, turning out in hupd hundreds of thousands. 160,000 israelis turned out in tel aviv last week that's the equivalent of 5 million americans turning out in manhattan. and yet, netanyahu shows no signs of backing down from this plan to weaken israel's supreme court. he is pushing it through parliament it looks like he and his right
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wing allies have the votes to get it through then it's possible that at the end of that, the supreme court is going to strike this new legislation down and then many people here in israel fear we are heading for whatcould be a constitutional crisis. this would be an uncharted situation where the government is trying to weaken the supreme court. the supreme court is saying, you can't do it. no one at this point really knows where it's going >> raf sanchez, thank you. joining us now is the former commander of israel's defense forces elite intelligence unit the co-founder and managing founder at team 8a, a group that focuses on cybersecurity thank you for being with us. i have never seen anything like this i've been covering israeli politics for decades including the military you have been at some of the protests, including people from all over israel. talk to me about why this time
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it's different >> well, this is obviously a critical time in our history, andrea our court, the independence of our court is critical to our young democracy. we don't have the checks and balances that you have in the united states. we don't have two houses of representatives. we don't have a constitution we don't have a federal system the independent ce of our courts critical that's the crux of the debate that we are having in israel right now. >> what's so unusual is that this is not an israeli/palestinian dispute. there's been a lot of violence recently and a lot of controversy. that may have contributed to netanyahu getting another term and putting this coalition together now it's different what affect are the protests having on israel's people and the economy? is there a brain drain you have the intellectual elites, including the tech sector, many people leaving.
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>> yeah, that's why we are concerned. this is indeed a homemade crisis we must find a way to -- for a broad agreement and a constructive debate that will solve this crisis. the fact that we are at the epicenter of global innovation is dependent on our institutions, is dependent on this the world is looking at us and our democracy. we must make sure that our democracy remains independent. >> there's a huge impact here as you probably know on the u.s. jewish community many who have been supporters of israel for years, mike bloomberg who helped build a hospital and schools in israel, criticizing israel tom freedman writing passionate columns in "the new york times." so this has galvanized the
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american jewish community across ideological sectors. >> yeah. i totally understand their concern. we, the tech leaders in israel, are very concerned we understand that our economy is based on the support and -- we are a company builder we are tackling some of the toughest challenges in technology today we do this based on this incredible ecosystem we have our talent density that is second to none. our courageous entrepreneurs we are well poised to lead the global innovation. we also need global investors to join us. they are concerned i understand their concern they are looking for stability they are looking for continuity. >> nadav, one of the issues here is also what happens with netanyahu, what happens with the
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future of israel israel has been a democracy for so long. here you have got the president -- usually the president of -- he has been trying to broker a compromise here this latest has fallen apart he is from a famous israeli family his brother is the ambassador here in the u.s. is there a chance he could broker a compromise? >> look, i applaud the president for his proposed outline for a resolution what is now called the people's resolution i urge our leadership, including prime minister netanyahu, who, by the way, has a lot of credit to the economy, to the technical system we built here but this is a crucial time i do hope that the resolution that the president introduced will be the basis. it's a very good basis for reform we're not against reform we're against this reform. we are protesting against the
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way this reform is being carried out. >> nadav zafrir, thank you for joining us from tel aviv we appreciate it france's prime minister macron is facing huge protests of his own a crisis in government no confidence votes from the french pa larliament he pushed through a change in the pension plan in the streets of paris, protesters lighting fire to more than 9,000 tons of garbage more than 300 arrests were made overnight. police launched tear gas as they tried to disperse thousands of protesters macron's plan raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 macron used his constitutional powers to deny a vote in the lower house of parliament where his party doesn't hold a majority forever chemicals.
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♪ test price guarantee. for the first time the federal government will require utilities to remove two toxic chemicals from drinking water. pfas are found in nonstick cookware to takeout containers, also called forever chemicals. that's because they don't decompose and can seep into the soil and the water joining us now is robert be belotte. robert, thanks for being with us let's talk about the significance of the epa's proposal, what does this mean for all americans? >> thanks so much for having me.
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yes, this is a huge development. these toxic forever chemicals have been used in so many different products and seeping into our environment over the last 70, 80 years and unfortunately, they're incredibly toxic and persistent. a lot of the information about the health threat from those chemicals, though, was covered up and withhold by the companies making them for many decades and it wasn't until just recently, through litigation actually, that information has finally made its way out to the public, to scientists, to regulators and we're seeing the result of that. just this week, the u.s. epa has announced they'll begin regulating at least two of these chemicals that are being found in drinking water not only over
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the united states but all over the planet found by the epa to be likely carc carcinoge in, s. it's great to see that we finally have the u.s. epa being in a position to be able to take steps to begin regulating these in drinking water across the country. >> for a manufacturers, what can be done retro actively for those who have this in their homes i'll go back to my kitchen, as i understand it, an olding frying pan that has a nonstick lining but a scratch in it might expose you to these things? >> yeah, you know, the biggest exposure unfortunately comes from drinking water if this stuff has gotten into the drinking water supplies which it
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has. across the country and across the world that's the biggest concern. that's why you see the epa acting first to address these drinking water concerns. these chemicals have been used in so many different types of household products, nonstick pans, it's almost impossible to avoid that x poe sure. and because these chemicals were unregulated for decades. you won't see them on ingredient labels or warning labels so it's hard to know which products have had these in the past. because of the growing public awareness now that the film "dark waters" and the book "exposure" all that information is out there and people are becoming aware, folks are starting to ask companies to take steps to take these chemicals out of these products. so we are seeing some big companies, some clothing companies, fast-food companies
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and others that are coming forward and saying, we're going to take these chemicals out of our products, so we do see that happening even before these regulations start to kick in that's a good thing. at least people are going start having a choice. because up until now none of us really knew we were being exposed to these chemicals as this information gets out we'll start be given some choice. >> chemicals be eliminated from water, tap water with filtration systems at the level of the water company? going forward or in your own home. >> yeah, with the two chemicals that epa has focused first on, these chemicals have eight carbons -- granally so you see
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public water supplies all over the country are now facing the cost of having to put in filtration systems and it's important that we make sure those costs don't get pushed down to the customers, to the taxpayers, to the victims of this contamination so you see a lot of effort under way right now and we're involved in that across the country to try and make sure the companies who created this stuff and put it in the water they're responsible for the cost of getting it out it can be done but it's expensive. and it's an ongoing process. >> robert bilott, extraordinary work thanks for being with us >> thanks so much. and right now on capitol hill, president biden attending the annual friends of ireland
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