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if you're watching morning joe weekend. and if you can't get enough of us on monday through friday. >> which is kind of surprising we talk a lot. >> no surprise it was another really busy week with trump's legal woe deepening, and desantis making headlines for all the wron reasons. let's take a look at some of our top stories this week! michael cohen, the one tim attorney and fixer for donal trump, wrapped up his testimon before a grand jury convened before the math and district office in the investigation of trump. and hush money paid to adult film actress, story daniels. cohen spent about two hour yesterday, testifying before the grand jury, in the first appearance on monday when he testified for abou three hours. and the woman of the center of the hush money payments has no spoken with prosecutors in the case as well stormy daniels attorney said that he and daniels both met with prosecutors, via zoom

yesterday. calling the conversation substantive, and a goo meeting. the attorney said that daniels who's really name is stephanie clifford spoke her mind during the call and that she would make hersel available as a witness movin forward if needed. daniels alleges that she had a affair with former president trump in 2006. and was paid $130,000 in exchange for her silence durin the 2016 election. no word yet on whether she wil testify before the grand jury. >> and again, just to underlin the fact michael cohen i already going to jail for bein part of donald trump's scheme. to give her hush money right before the election. let's bring out msnbc news legal analyst, andrew, forme guy -- and served as prosecutor in th mueller special counselor' office

you know, if the boston red so get as many wins as severe as have heard people say, the legal walls are closing in o donald trump the sox through the years, the socks are going to have a grea here probably went 145 games when the world series. my question for you, since w know that's not gonna happen my question for you is how i this time any different from all the other times we've hear over the last five years, that quote, the walls are closing i on donald trump? >> that is a great question. the analogy is also pretty great. so i think there is a bi difference here. it is hard to imagine that alvin bragg, the dna i manhattan, would be engaging i these kinds of very public steps. >> let me stop you right there for skeptics that are watching

i'm so glad you started with that because at the end of the day. alvin bragg is a politician. he is a da, he has to ge elected. so let me just ask you the question this way, can you, ca you conceive of a reason why a elected da would go through al of these steps and not indic donald trump at the end of the day? >> exactly i do not see him doing this an not indicting because th expectations in the media and, i think all of the electorate, is that this is going to happen i would say another piece that is where the centering is that defense council or donald trump, have already been in to make arguments to alvin bragg that's an important step tha you do at the very end of case before you and day you get the other site an opportunity to b

heard. to make any and all arguments. that is already happened so with that happening, whic clearly can be made public and has been and you have michael cohen who is somebody who obviousl speaks a lot to the media. they knew that if they put him in the grand jury that would become very well known it's hard to see that ther will be a decision on this, an whether alvin bragg is a politician or whether he is just complete straight shooter of a da, i think that he is going t look at this evidence and it i really hard to imagine that he wouldn't say go forward. it's hard to remember, this is the da who rejected the mark pomerantz in treaty a year ago to go forward, saying the case is not ready so that is a sign that he is not doing this for politics, but is really deciding on th merits is there enough proof here but we will see. but i think that we should b

very, very conscious that this is likely to come down ver soon >> andrew, we shall be vigilant so let's take the step and suggest that the infant that meant does happen. walk us through the difference because this demeanor could be a felony there has to be somethin established to make it a felony and just by what you know of the evidence, indictment is on thing, do you think it's stron enough for a potential conviction >> great questions so there is a real complicatio on the issue of how this could get charged under state law. there is a very strong misdemeanor which means that you can only go to jail for up to a year. honestly, it's missed by the fact that it's called misdemeanor. that it's not as serious as an felony and that misdemeanor is fallin

a false business record. the predication for that would be the cover up scheme for the payment of the money which means, it was no denominated as hush mone payments to keep a porn star from talking, and damaging his election possibilities it was categorized as lega fees to michael cohen, michael cohen has testified before congress and admitted that tha was just a ruse that was used that would be the misdemeanor, and in order for it to be felony, it has to be that crim of making a false statement, has to be a furtherance or t cover up another crime that is the rub, where peopl have a lot of questions abou what crime the da is going t use. so i think that that is a real issue, about whether this will hold up. and i think that that piece, which is the most vulnerable the misdemeanor seems very very clear and there should be very stron proof. of whether they can link it to

another crime that makes it felony, and a more serious charge that's gonna be an issue >> and andrew, what would al of that mean then in terms o sentencing i know there has been the kind of conventional wisdom is that this does not carry jail time. do you see any circumstances i which it might do, and if it doesn't, what are the othe sentencing possibilities charging possibilities >> sure, so that obviously i way down the road. it would have to be a tria that could take, that coul frankly, unfortunately tak years. before that happens. we know from the trump organization and allen weisselberg cases that those took 16 months to go to trial. and you can imagine since this is a trump expertise o throwing the sand in the ear to delay things. this one could take even longer but if there is a trial an charges, if he is convicted.

the issue of whether he goes t jail, i do think in large part will depend on whether it is a misdemeanor or a felony that holds up at the end of the day >> and, but you said the pet felony is going to be very har to get it's not like you're sayin the felony is like a lead here >> i think it could be there has been a lot o discussion about what that other felony could be. so for instance, it could be a federal crime, that this isn't furtherance of in furtherance of campaign finance violations and there is an issue unde state law whether any federa crime would be sufficient, o whether the state criminal statute requires there to be another state crime. we were sure that donald trump would challenge that saying, you know what's? another federal case will no be enough. that has to be another state

crime. and the issue is, what state crime with the use and that is where a lot of people are scratching thei head, trying to figure out exactly what alvin bragg i going to do. one of the only remainin issues is how is he going to try to figure out and make thi a felony >> all, right msnbc news legal correspondent andrew weissmann thank you very much. let's throw it out to the panel, anyone who wants to jump and please jump in i'm just wondering, does i make sense to charge donal trump, a former president, for a misdemeanor. when we keep hearing that felony, an actual jail time is a reach. we've all talked about the documents case, and it seems that the documents case, and his obstruction actions during the documents case if there is a slam dunk ou there, we beat the slam dunk but starting with a case tha

trump has a good shot of beating? jonathan, you've been followin this guy forever doesn't that just play int donald trump's hand? isn't that exactly what donald trump would want >> yes, they would probabl welcome that because then they can pain every other incident cajun wit the same brush they can say this is week, this is a stretch. and we can have this talk, a andrew just ahead, ver credibly saying that there was a federal here in this case it would be a reach. and it would be donald trump frankly, to be able to slip of the hook here. and frankly, in other cases as well because of this one because it will shape th political perception that this is all bias. it feeds into a narrative that he's created already of course the case can be trie andmerits, one prosecutor will be looking at another to mak his or her own decision. certainly, the documents cas is probably the most, easily proved that's what analysts say georgia also poses a rea

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>> as republican presidentia contenders wage war on so-called wokeism, president biden is planning a differen approach for his expecte reelection campaign. despite angering some within the democratic party with hi perceived moves to the center. the washington post report that biden quote, plans to spend the bulk of his time i public, talking about issues where democrats broadly agree.

and founding accomplishments like reducing drug costs defending democracy, and protecting the environment tha highlight democratic unity joining us now on the whit house strategy, and th democratic response to, it reporter for the washington' post, mariana. mariana thank you for joinin us looking at what's happened ove the course of this weekend, an into the week. rhonda scent is, and donal trump clearly weighing in. do you think it's gonna be possible, did the white hous think it's gonna be possible and what's what's west of th democratic party for the president to stay above that i focus on kitchen table issues? >> biden, and the part of hi strategy, is going to be going after those republicans. you do hear democrats kind o hoping that trump and desantis not only are just continuall fighting each other but thes statements on ukraine that the have both made are something that democrats see as extreme. that is definitely part of the messaging. he also see the from congressional democrat

repeating biden's only face of maga extremism and how republicans fall i that lame. and you also see biden tried t differentiate betwee republicans. to have those conversation with those pragmatic republicans trying to ge things done. like preventing the countr from defaulting for example. but the point to try t mitigate some of the frictio with his own party, that's becoming more difficult. we thought that exposed with house democrats. when biden told senate democrats that he was actually going to veto that d.c. crim legislation. a lot of those immigration proposals at the administratio has put forward on asylu changes, as well as possibly floating family detention. that really upset progressives especially latino progressives a growing group. i think actually it's this year, the most largest groups of

latino democrats who are par of the house caucus. those things are becomin trickier for him to mitigate and progressive saying, look we have push biden to be a mor liberal president. probably the most progressiv that we have seen. however, he still needs to continue to listen, to engag us and they are feeling reall left out after several years o touting what he would've liked to see done and signed int law. >> yeah, so jonathan, this sounds so familiar and i am not saying that joe biden is tearing a page from bill clinton here, but it' sounds an awful lot like triangulation from the 1990s when you saw the republica parties extreme on some issues that i was a part of seemed extreme on th government shutdown, later o impeachments the statements on guns and bill clinton was masterful in triangulating the republicans, the gay retro publicans, with people tha

many conflicts tenure to see i too far left in the party. so what did he do? he moved forward on welfar with norm you've done it two times, sign it again. and they're talking about an outright progressive base. they said was bill clinton, th same thing about a balance budget he agreed to a balanced budget agreement. and when you look at the autobiography, one of th things that he brags about i his introduction welfare reform balanced budget. and other center, center-right physicians and not only did it help to ge him reelected, but it also helped him drive newt gran great shadow town. and keep republicans on th back heels throughout most o his presidency so here we have joe biden, again, trying to find th center, and it's going to be, guess he'll face the changes that bill clinton dead keeping progressives on boar

while triangulating republican and some of the far left >> yeah, biden taken those early steps to perhaps follo the clinton playbook remember, he's asked a lot o progressives during his time even when they had control o both houses of congress, progressives were those made t wait, and give up more with those like manchin, and sinema to get the presidents legislative agenda and that we are seeing som larger fault lines on this like they said, the d.c. crime belt the climate change, an environmental protections that have left the left unhappy i want to ask, one of the ways that the biden administratio was able to play to the, lef because they had a whisper, if you will -- who was that emissary to the progressives well, he's not in that job anymore. what is the impact there t progressives feel like the have that channel into the wes wing like they used to >> it's pretty significant to your point, progressive saying there has been a change

at the white house that really blaming on on th personnel issues they don't say ron klain b name publicly but privately that' who they say one democrat telling me. we must run klain. and he really did make a effort early on in biden's campaign it was right before he was tapped to be the democrati nominee. where it was just him an bernie sanders left. and ron klain knew early o that they had to start to brin in the progressives. to make sure that biden coul have a solid democratic support, and those conversations starte very early, this was march 202 where klain reached out to the congressional progressiv caucus chair, that conversatio in that relationship did strengthen and it did help, to your point really bring forward a numbe of biden's legislative achievements whether it is that infrastructure bill, or th more narrow, which of course progressives would've liked to have seen more in the inflatio reduction act. now that they don't have tha

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including two years ago this week after the shooting in th atlanta area enough do something we remember and more in today, but i am here with you today t act. >> that was president biden, signing an executive order o tuesday to increase background checks for gun sales he spoke about the move during a trip to monterey park, california where 11 people were kille during a lunar new yea festival in january. among other things, th executive order with attorne general, merrick garland, to better find who was engaged in the business of sellin firearms our panel spoke to biden's domestic policy adviser, susan weiss, before biden signed tha order. take a listen. >> susan, this is somethin that joe biden was charged wit after sandy hook he tried to get some kind of congressional action on gu control measures

is there optimism in the white house that any efforts that yo can take by executive order, can have the kind of impac that america needs to try to stem this epidemic of mass shootings that we've seen so far this year? >> well, good morning. it's great to be with you. obviously, the most importan thing that could happen to ste gun violence in this country i to be for gun violence to be passed in -- to ban assault weapons and hig capacity magazines to hold the gun industry accountable. take away its unique immunit from liability and many other legislative steps. last year, president biden was proud to sign bipartisan safer communities act. which was the most important piece of gun legislation in 30 years. it did some important things but there was no substitute fo what congress must do, but i

the meantime president biden from his first day in office has sought to use ever executive authority that h possibly has, to make ou country safer, and what he wil say today is a landmar executive order, that will bring the united state government as close as you possibly can be withou legislation to universal background checks and that wil be an important step forward and the executive order will also encourage and mandate greater efforts to utilize red flag laws in those 19 states i the district of columbia which happened to keep guns out of the hands of those who might b a danger to themselves, or t others and safer storage, safe storag of weapons, another critical ingredient of trying to keep guns out of the hands of those who should not have them and this executive order will do a number of things it is quite comprehensive. and it will continue to play a president biden being in the

place of a president who has taken more executive action on gun than any other president a this point in his tenure >> suzanne, i thank you so muc for being with us and, you know, all of these things that he is doing. he is going to be painted as some left wing radical freak and the overwhelming majorit of and are a honors, the overwhelming majority of republicans. the overwhelming majority of americans all support this legislation, and then you have rhonda santas in florida, and don't want to make thi personal to any one person but just to show you how extreme people are on this issue. they are talking about ope carry in the state of florida, can you talk about the radicalism of one side versu the very mainstream, commo sense, popular approach that this white house is taking o guns >> well, joe, that's exactly the point. when you look at any polling i all shows that the vas majority of americans suppor

universal background checks, i is just common sense to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of criminals, domestic violence are bruisers an that's just common sense whether you are a recreational shooter or a collection of guns, you want to rational responsibility for that to b the case assault weapons ban, that to is broadly popular and so what you're seeing is a vast disconnect between th torque to an extreme politic of some here in washington that there is no resemblance t the priorities and the value of the vast majority of th american people, and when we are talking about open carry and members of a party, usin an assault weapon as a symbo of their party, it really is just out of touch with the fac that gun violence is the leading killer of young people in this country, if you are black and brown were young

person or living in many of ou communities. you are very very vulnerable t gun violence we see it all day every day an not just in the mass shootings that make the headlines, all over the country and in urba areas, rural areas and everywhere in between but ever day in our communities in mainstream corners an everywhere else, it's horrific and we have got to do somethin about it president biden has been clear enough is enough it's past time to reinstate an assault weapons ban. a ban on high capacity magazines. and any other critical steps that require legislation but in the meantime, joe, he i going to do everything that he can as president to make thi country safer. >> judge rice, good morning, jonathan lemere. switching gears. a few days ago the president unveiled his budget. and he said that he would meet with mccarthy tomorrow, if the speaker had his own budget presentation so my two questions to you are

one, have you heard from the speaker? and certainly, what is you level of concern about the looming debt ceiling fight >> jonathan, everyon understands that it would be the actual height of irresponsibility of the united states to reneged on the commitments it hasn't made i the past, it's not about wha we might do in the future an going forward this is about th full faith and credit of the united states of america we have never, ever, eve compromised on that. if we were to do so it would b catastrophic those who are threatening it are deeply irresponsible and what we need to do now, is do what we have done every tim in the past of our history which is to meet our obligations by raising the deb ceiling, 25% of the debt tha we are talking about was incurred during the prio administration and we have historically raise the debt ceiling on bipartisan basis, that is what should happen now. it is absolutely critical.

>> and speaking of critical, you have played a critical role not only in americas domesti policy debates over the past two years, but also, and u.s foreign policy you were of course and vascula to the united nations. and also, at least in this family, you served in the most important position is national security adviser at least, that's what -- dad would say. i feel like it's okay to ask you this question. we have been very concerne this morning about a guy who i considered a favorite. for the nomination of th republican party ron desantis, who pirate vladimir putin and the kremlin's talking points yesterday. talking about russia's invasio of ukraine being a, quote, border dispute would you mind just talkin about how dangerous a signal

like that sense? not only to vladimir putin, bu also to our allies acros europe in the world? >> well joe, you make me fee old. by taking me through my resume but, i am really here to tal about domestic policy. despite my long history of national security. let me just say very briefly america needs leadership who understands what is at stake i our world. when russia blatantly invades, and occupies a neighboring sovereign country. and conducts a completel unnecessary war. with extraordinary brutality that threatens the integrity o the international system nato, and all of the principle of how we operates on the worl stage. we have to stand strong. we have to be united and we have to see it for th threat that it is. to the entire internationa system, and of course, to ou national security. >> coming up

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in the guardian. reveals federal investigator have looked into forme president donald trump socia media company.

for possible money laundering. sources familiar with th matter tell the guardian, th probe involved some medi problems six evidence of $ million from a source with suspected russian ties anyone surprised joining us now is the author o that new article, political an investigations reporter from the guardian, hugo lowell. i'll let jon take the firs questions here, john >> you have to tell us a story we've got a couple of headline there, but >> russia russia russia. >> the fact that they're looking into the truth socia thing, is a new line of inquir as far as i know about federal investigators. talk to us about what yo found. >> there is an existin investigation into truth media the parent organization of truth social >> not a money launderin investigation? >> not quite toward the end of last year,

what happened is they got tip. and they started looking a basically two trenches of an 8 million dollar payment tha came in. it was at the time that they were cash for, because of that investigation. the fcc investigation. and they really needed a bridg loan so what they did was they went and got bridge financing from, first a bank in dominika called paxson bank and then in february of 2022 they got a second low, fro family trust extensively, two different families as it turns, out there prett much one in the same company and if you chants th beneficiaries back, you get to the nephew of a putin ally who was the first deputy justice minister in russia, an previously served in putin's executive office so when you look at the thin and you don't know if there' actually gonna be exposure here they might be looking at, it's an investigation but the optics of trump coming out of the white house as firs

business ventures, is gettin really opec loans and opaque conduits from offshore banks i not a good luck. >> as donald trump says, you democrats and new fake new has. all you want to talk about i russia, russia, russia with no basis whatsoever i mean, it's outrageous. >> personally, ample reason to talk about that. [inaudible >> talk about going back to th beginning. >> never quite leave it >> so, you obviously ar wired into trump world ver closely. what is the sense right no from the level of concern. as this is going on, where people involved with the company? or close to the former president who know something was up here. and we're nervous about? and what is that degree of worry now? >> yes, well there was certainly, officers of the company saw the 2 million an then the other 6 million and saw that there had been really no vetting, no information about the people who wer landing there 1 million dollar to truth social's compan

effectively. they were $12 million in cash, 8 million was a significan portion of the stuff they ha in their account and, the funny thing you see i goes back to the beginning because in december. when the first 2 million was coming in. and lawyer emails don jr. an says hey those 2 million coming in, and no sign of we are going to proceed with this. and don junior, says very much appreciate it, let's go ahea with it. so i don't wanna tie too man connections between the pie in the sky, and - but somehow don jr. ends o getting involved and later in february, i spring 2022, when they'r trying to order these payments there are flags raised and that then cfo philip, of truth media, ways returning th money. but then they realize 8 millio out of the 12 million is such big segment. we don't want to risk that >> coming up what happens when cheating becomes the norm the free press is susie weis is here with her new reporting without congress students ar cheating at massive levels

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>> we came with a deal with lasting impact of the pandemic including where we work, how we, work in the way we interac socially and of course, how we learn. and it now it turns out th ways students can cheat. susan wise from the free press has new reporting out. a piece called the dishono cord what happens when cheating becomes the norm it comes as college students across the country are cheatin at massive levels. they argue, quote, it is a disadvantage not to cheat. susie, thank you so much for being with us. horrifying stuff for parents >> i know. >> but there are so many thing here, including a eye apps tha allow students who know how to

use them, to put up the righ questions and come up with ter papers talk about your article. how did the pandemic mak cheating so much more prevalen on campus? >> thank you so much for havin me today i think that we think that cheating is the exception to the rule but increasingly, it's becomin the rule and that's because of th incentives that play here. press efforts are senna vist keep their head down, ge tenure, against good student evaluations. students want to take th easiest way to a high paying jobs, or they can take on thei debt going to a college. college are motivated by rankings by a grant dollars so they have the perfect storm where they realize that they'r treating students more lik customers, than they are students at the end of the day, like jo said, i had a student tell m that she's getting screwed ove for not cheating and at the same time, i talked to a professor who said th students are like tyrants. and it didn't get into academi

to be a car. so dark situation out there. >> and you're a professor wh cares more about just tenure we now >> shots taking at eddie >> he was sitting at a table through idly lead man. >> i think you're right to describe the market pressures, and the market pressures i evidence itself in so many different ways, particularly around competition not only to get in, but how to perform when you get there what is the nature o assessment here? it seems to me, as things have changed, whether it is chatgpt or the market pressures to you just described it seems that universities had to figure out how to do thei work differently i have to figure out how t assess whether students ar learning the materia differently. what do you think about what this suggests abou universities in the 21st century? >> i think one side of it is assessment, and the other side of it is a shifting idea o what exactly colleges for, i don't think it's really abou

students learning differentl and deeply anymore i think it's a transactional relationship what they're looking to get is a credential so that they can get a job in consulting firm, or even find spouse and get a fancy life. none of those are necessaril bad things, but those are no good things when students, especially on elite campuses don't see cheating as somethin that is necessarily a mora wrong. >> yeah, i want to follow up with you on this because as the professor, yo can help us out. it is so concerning where yo have professor who are concerned. about their evaluations, especially professors wh aren't tenured and i've heard this from, no only professors but also students associate professors where, it's almost like, the students are customers i know i'm an old guy from state school

but we weren't the customers we were the students and, you know, when th professor talked we sat there and we would have an open debate but i never knew a professor i undergrad, in and alabama, and florida who gave a damn abou an evaluation. they were gonna teach th course and i was going to learn it and if i didn't do well on the exam, they had no proble giving the seas. and they did often. >> oh joe, you sound like yo on a rolodex but it's serious, when we thin about expansion at universitie and colleges right now it's happening at the level of administration, the level of student services there is an idea that butts in seats define whether or no departments will be funded how your classes are populated how you are evaluated. impacts the way that which you are obsessed as you move up the ranks and, there is a correlation think, between an open list an

lies and the ways in which we are looking at this. so if you see, proposed ali, u.s. and colleges are the last bastion. and we have to talk about it a a space for wokeness where people are virtu signaling. now we are hearing that thes folks don't give a damn abou cheating suddenly, the notion o cheating, the notion of th article, of what it means to b some kind of thoughtful huma being is under pressure. in a number of different sectors. and joe, it has something to d with how we deliver to these folks who are paying increasingly high amounts of tuition. they want their money's worth, and we have to deliver for them >> yeah, and with thos pressures. these students are paying so much, astronomical the cost of college tuition ha far, far eclipsed the rate o inflation over the past fe decades. this is this pressure, the transaction to get that diploma, to get a good job, pay off those loans. talk about it a little bit, yo mentioned a little bit earlier

but the chatgpt, and other things are making cheating easier and perhaps some professor turning a blind eye towards it what our school that do care what steps are they trying t take >> i think it's too early to say whether a eye is going t total topple academia. some of the professors i talke about it with as the final nai in the coffin. others described it as, an type of cheating if those student wants to lear they are going to learn and if they want to cheat they ar going to cheat i think, you know, wit chatgpt. and this is kind of a holdover from the pandemic. is that it is comfy caution it to have endlessly lax packard's, to extend those deadlines. to not really buster student and to not go to war with thes bleeding democracies on colleg campuses i think harvard has as man undergraduates a administrators stanford not far behind. so i wouldn't blame a teache for turning a blind eye.

i don't know how a.i. is gun affect higher education. i do know that landing o campus, is probably an opportune time >> i was talking to a kid from harvard yesterday, who sai that colleges across the country are virtual now. this is a problem in the workforce, and now that there' not as much human contact. you're not either i, it allows for, in a workplace of so. it lacks in of behavior, inappropriate behavior i think this is going to be long term effect, academia workplace. when there is not eyeball to eyeball, and it becomes more excepted that something about i worry about a lot. >> yeah, i had to look because since he said that everybody was -- i was sure that lamar went to good catholic college or something. i look and i see that he earne a bachelor's degree in history from columbia! my goodness! you are right susie!

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with more of our best segments from the week. and, i'm going to need mor coffee >> all right i'll go gets you. some >> no i don't do coffee on weekends. let's get it sorted. a group in the nation's bigges banks are coming to the rescue of first republic bank bbc news business for porter bryan chung, has the details >> just days after two banks suddenly collapsed, size and cracks emerge at science francisco bass first republic. the bank was beating florenc as customers rushed to pul their money out. but in an unprecedented mood 11 of the nation's largest banks decided to pump funds in saying the 30 billion dollar rescue ban quote, reflects our confidence in first republic and banks of all sizes earlier the treasury secretary janet yellin, delivering a message on capitol hill. the country's banking system i sound. >> americans can fee confidence that their deposits will be there when they need them a source familiar with the matter telling nbc news, yelle

was behind the move to show up four first public. pitching the idea to jpmorga chase ego, jamie dean, who rallied the other banks. stock markets, which have been on a rollercoaster ride al week, stabilize thursday after the announcement first republican summers lik rest your owner and chef david mayfield, say they're able t breathe a sigh of relief >> i don't think anybody eve wants to hear about any bank having trouble >> in addition to business accounts at the bank, mayfield says he has his personal savings account and a mortgage as first republic to he did not pull his money from the bank, hoping first republi could figure it out. >> if you want the business to -- >> former federal deposi insurance corporation or, sh leber says, americans should remember that fdic insurance covers up to $250,000 pe depositor at most banks. her message, don't worry >> if depositors rushed into a bank and want all their mone out at one's, they will forc and otherwise healthy bank t close. >> all right, bring in autho

-- political analyst, adam gabbar artist, his recent book is titled the purse waiters the front lines of the fight for hearts, minds an democracy. thank you so much for bein with us. it seems to be a lot of people that love to preach the glorie of capitalism to single moms and working class americans, not so much the bankers because, when we get in these situations, we always socialize losses but privatized gains >> we do, and i think that's something that we learned sinc 2008 as a country. i think a lot of ordinar people has been educated about that this time around, there was lot more of a sulphurous deman from out in the public to no do a bailout they didn't do a bailout in th traditional sense, but the still did a kind of ai organized by the governmen that is going to be taxed by anderson's fifth on banks that consumers will pay for the american people still ar

upholding and protecting silicon valley bank. i think it's very ironic tha these very big venture capitalists of silicon valley, who are the ones that pulled their money out and panic in a coordinated panic, to cause th bank run, this group of people as you know, are advocated against government advocated against common institutions for decades now used their clout to building these shines corporations. to belittle the idea o government, to skirt regulation, as you know. then, when they have a run o their bank, that they caused themselves, they want nurses and truck drivers and teachers to help pay two backs of their multi billion dollar fortunes. it's embarrassing. i hope some of them will actually now have got to hel from all of us will come forward and advocate for hel for us

maybe they're willing to advocate on student that maybe they're willing to advocate on health care. maybe they had a change of heart of realizing governmen is good actually >> yeah, i doubt that's goin to happen. we see than four decades you get people who are libertarians until there is bank run, and then suddenl they want to federal governmen to jump in with both feet. someone said the other day tha justice, there is no atheist in foxholes. there are no libertarians in the banking sectors. or you can say in silico valley, once there's a run o the bank let's talk about the banks for a second, because, if we didn' help them out this week woul have been a week that we looke back and probably much like, much like september 15th, 2008 in your latest - if banks want bail outs.

if they want bail outs, an they want rescue plans they have to also accept regulations. what happens is they fight regulations tooth and nail a silicon valley bank did. the bank close-up, and suddenly, they want the feds to come i and rescue them. >> exactly, that's exactly right. and the ceo of silicon valle bank, great wrecker, was among those who argued for the weakening of the - rules that would hav necessitated annual stress tests of his bank. he got the limit raised. they got the limit raids, so that his bank would not have t undergo such testing if it had, maybe the problem would have been solved i'm so glad that we have - this morning, because i wa sitting down to write abou

this i think my lead is that, what' the definition of a socialist. it's a libertarian tech pro-wh had money in silicon valle bank but, my thinking, who is reall crystallized by a tweet that you wrote, recently. kind of pointing that out. that she, all of a sudden, all these anti-government type understand what government i for and what government can do to help people who are being buffeted by forces beyond thei control. talk about that for a while, and accept my apology for th soft >> i love that i'm glad that they're stil redemption happening on twitte and people can still get ideas from that, otherwise swamp i think, it's interesting that they want to bail out. but when you have this other

issue of silicon valley talk the commons in every other sphere of life, they don't wan the government carving nea them there's so much more researc now, that instagram, tiktok, these other apps, ar destroying mental health for adolescents. particularly for teenage girls in this country. there is a three alarm fire of suicide, eating disorders an other things happening cause by these unregulated platforms they are, they don't wan government stepping in when it comes to airbnb an driving opposing caucuse across this country. they - hired a lot of ex aren't peopl to lobby against the governmen doing anything to rein them in when uber and lyft were aske by employees, by drivers, wh wanted to be employees, wanted more security in this economy, understandably they pushed back saying, they're just contractors, we don't know them, push back against regulations.

silicon valley needs to decide is it living in a libertaria paradise on an island outsid of the law, or does it want to be part of the united states o america. in which case, if you want t avail of the securitie exchange commission of regulation of finances, of our amazing courts of law that enforce your ip and all thes other things, you need to be there for people when we wan to regulate you, when we wan to protect our common good against your profit motive >> let's talk about th politics of this we know over the last weekend, of president biden - was made to step in with these banks. he expressed some reluctance privately, thought this was, sick con valley bank was crypto investors, tech arose that he was a little weary o that he also remembers, of course being pro barack obama's vic president at the time. the fallout from what we saw i 2008, 2009 how do you think, what sort of backlash, was sort of reaction what we get here how do you think this will shape the campaign ahead

>> very hard to say, but i'l say the other thing he remembers, joe biden does. as anybody who watched the las couple - is that, in addition to th profound prove there is a show that we have, the other bi force in our politics has been populism you've seen it, the rise of th sanders forces, which is whether barry sanders -- nomination there are millions of democrat out there who have been in a state of righteous esophagus a wall street for a decade right now. it's incredibly powerful force the democratic party if you're joe biden, if yo think you're going to be a challenge with the democrati nomination, you need to harnes that energy to be able to wi again, to win a reelection it's been seen as the guy who' on the side of bank bailouts and bank bailouts relate to th crypto sector and the guys tha silicon valley the rich dudes out there is no the saying that animates peopl who are rightly make a lot o

the points, who feel not as -- who had the sense that the gam is ranked, and there is no cos that you could be playing with the casino money and you'll ge boiled out, bailed out, even i you have not made seriou contributions to the system. that is not a great path for democratic politician in 2024. we know that on the right side -- murata scientists, whoever the republican nominee is, the will try to tap into that. the right side populis impulses, and they do it in promiscuous way, they do it in an intellectually inconsistent way, in an ideologically inconsistent way it's their it's a big part of what shapes the landscape. i think biden, in his stomach, it's like, do i want to -- what a banking collapse help us? no is it the responsible thing to do to keep that -- when the politics are dicey, yeah they're dicey and it will be to see how that all plays out in the comin months, and see how much worse

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back against one of the leadin voices in their own party. for controversial comments h made about the war in ukraine. yesterday, a handful of go lawmakers brokers for governor ron desantis, who, on monday dismissed russia's invasion as a quote, territorial disputes. and said, defending ukraine wa not a vital interest of th united states.

>> it's not a territoria dispute in the sense that, anymore that it would be editorial dispute if the unite states decided that it wante to take canada or take over th bahamas. just because someone claim something, doesn't mean that i belongs to them, this is a invasion >> i just think this is misunderstanding of th situation. it's not a territory o conflict it's a war of aggression the governor of florida ha been a great governor, but i my opinion, if you don't get ukraine, right this is a chanc to stop putin -- >> i would not agree with hi on that, i think it's clear, historically speaking. the importance of keepin vladimir putin in his lane >> certainly, it is a concer to me, we have a number of individuals who are looking, i think, at the 2024 race. we'll find out whether or no the rest of them feel the same way. >> translation for ron desantis, these top republicans who have access to intel information an a wide range of information an knowledge on these views

they're saying to you, ron don't get trumpy on russia senator brown, who you jus heard there, also had this t say. the novel chamberlain approach to aggression never ends well. to russia never ends well. this is an attempt by putin to rewrite the map of europe by force of arms. meanwhile, republican senator, john cornyn of texas, tell politico, i am disturbed by it i think he's a smart guy, want to find it more about it, but i hope he feels like h doesn't need to take tha tucker carlson line to b competitive in the primary it's important for us to continue to support ukrainians for our own security by particle, where do you want to go with this? >> i mean, it's a huge scree being unveil in front of war o desantis you've got to wonder, did he ever read a book - did he read a newspaper today? linking neville chamberlain to what he says, a slur are never traveling in, nevill chamberlain was at least aware

of what was going on aroun him. apparently governor desantis i not aware of what's happenin hour by hour by hour, day by day by day in ukraine. it's a war crime a constant war crime and assaults on a separate nation, and independent nation clare, i don't know about you, but when you think about it, the level of shock and the ignorance of his statements, the ignorance of reality of ou worldly day, it's kind o troubling. >> yeah, this is just down and dirty politics he's decided he wants to try t get there through the trum lane and not through the res of america to me, that's a good reaso that she should never be president. at the rate we're going, putin is going to be a speaker at th republican national convention there are going to - probably do the keynote addres at the republican national convention the transformation of this republican party, from saying,

big government is bad, t having a guy doing fairly well in the polls right now who i run florida as if he's the king, wiping out local governments wiping out local office holders, imposing his will on educational institutions banning books, he is a big government, heavy handed government guy >> joining us now, democrati senator, chris murphy of connecticut. he's a member of the foreign relations committee. we're talking twos about this, joe biden fending off donald trump in the presidentia election some would argue, to save ou democracy from trump's fascism trump-ism obviously stil exists, and it's coursin through the veins of ron desantis especially as it comes to th issue of russia. are you concerned about this >> well, let me make it clea first, and thanks for having me that you can have good fac objections to u.s. support for ukraine. we should always be willing to

have a debate about whether it makes sense or not for the united states to send troops abroad, to support war overseas it's not by definition unpatriotic to question u.s. military involvement in places outside of the united states two -- doesn't appear to be a goo faith objection. the republican party particularly the trump wing of the republican party, ha decided to turn its back o democracy. they have tremendous affection for dictators because they hav decided that they would rather sacrifice american democracy if that's what's necessary t stay in power. i worry that the said to suss trump supporter putin at opposition to ukraine's part impartial to a broader lack of enthusiasm for democracy and self governments so, i'm willing to has a debat about whether it makes sense t use -- to send money to the crane

i think it makes a ton of sense, because it is just true, if we don't defend ukraine, th entire post world war ii quarter falls apart. it is not hyperbole to suggest that putin will move out a nat country. which will definitely put u.s. troops into the fight. china will move on taiwan. all of a sudden we live in a chaos world. this is a, frankly, worthwhile and relatively small investmen to protect u.s. security and global security in the lon run. >> coming up, a dramatic clash between lawmakers during a house weaponization committe hearing last week. ranking member, stacey plaskett, joins us next on our heate exchange with chairman jim jordan you don't want to miss this.

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mostly user powers to launch investigations into the bide family and government agencies themselves that agenda was on display las week during a hearing of the new selective media on the so-called weaponization of the federal government there, the panels top lawmaker sparred over republica accusations that the white house previously colluded with twitter to censor right-wing voices >> frankly, i think the brav individuals for being willin to come after they've been named in the letter for th biden ftc. >> is this your question >> no i'm responding to ridiculous date once you mad in your opening statement. >> okay, well let's get on wit it >> now we want to get on wit it so you can say all the thing you want >> we did in my own musi statements, as well as you had an opening statement >> the ranking member of the committee at the weaponization of government is asking fo your sources >> i never asked them for thei sources. i did not ask for sources. i asked if they were talking t elon musk.

they said that they were not talking. you are not going to say i'v asked for sources. >> wow this looks like, it's just a disgrace on so many levels joining us now the panels to democrat, who you just heard there, trying to defend hersel from being lied about during these hearings delicate, stacey plaskett, who represents the u.s. virgin islands. where do you want to begin i mean, this feels, it feels - i don't know what you're getting done, what's getting done here? >> i'm exhausted watching that [laughter] >> i'm exhausted for you >> when you're in the moment of course, you're just alway on guard for misconstruing what's happening, twisting facts, not in evidence attempting to go down rabbit holes for conspiracy theories. it's just the hallmark of th

republican party at this time. that they are really about political stunts and not about problem solving. we, on the democratic side we're continuing to try to put people over politics that's really hard here, right now in washington. we're really trying to deliver for the american people. the committee that you jus displayed there, all of th democrats on my side, we reall call ourselves the true squad. constantly trying to go agains the big lie that is trying t be perpetuated to the american people >> congresswoman - commend you on could be your composure with such ridiculous behavior give us a sense of what th weaponization committee ough to be focused on there are some very serious an vital issues that should b explored by this committee that has really been minimiz and marginalized by thei majoring in things that really

don't warrant the kind o attention they want to bring about. >> thank you so much yes, they are majoring in th minors right now what there are issues that could be investigating, ho about we investigate how bil barr weaponize the department, attempted to weaponize the department of justice to exten the election fraud lie that th president trump wanted how about we even go and loo into the irs it's propensity to audit working class americans an african americans more so than their audit wealthier othe individuals who have larger so soviet cub how about we look at a special fbi agents who have been indicted for colluding wit russians there are things for us to loo into, and i've listed those ou to you, jim jordan, at various times. and he's absolutel uninterested thank you for calling me professional in that exchange. of course --

the world is now saying i'm professional and an educated et cetera. of course you are when you're black woman going up against someone like jim jordan. >> okay, first of all, i lov you. i think you are amazing. i think what you're doing is incredibly important when you're doing that, just know there are millions of people out here cheering you on we get it, we get what they're trying to do here's the thing, i think most americans get it my question to you is, this is a tax they're doing on law enforcement, which is ironic since they are supposedly thes the blue party have you seen any witnesse that are representative of federal law enforcement, the fbi, that cause you concern? or is all of this just makin stuff up as they go along an

pulling wackos in from the sidelines to try to put thei hand in the air and preten like they're credible witnesses? is there anything there that you've seen, sitting on th committee, that you thin americans should be worrie about? >> unfortunately, we have no seen anything, and it appear that there is no - they've said that they hav hundreds of whistleblowers the three that they have put forward for testimony, closed-door testimony, tha we've been able to question, are individuals who said tha the fbi are not se brownshirts. these are individuals who do not believe that january six was an actual insurrection these are individuals wh believe that fbi should not go as a swat team to make arrests on who - on individuals who are known t be armed we cannot take with any sens of, there's no credibility i the witnesses that have, and therefore the claims that ji

jordan and those in his part are making, we can't substantiate, and therefore we think we need to move on t something more of course, they are always turned against the polic department they always turn against law enforcement when law enforcement is trying to uphol the law. >> all right, just for the record, i was clear. democratic delegates, stacey plaskett of the u.s., virgin islands, thank you very much >> new york magazine - jonathan jay joins us in his latest pace -- argues that the republican party is not fascist, but it's definitely moving in tha direction. -- saying they are fascists at least parts of them are fascists it's a little more nuanced tha that, morning joe weekend is coming back, we'll tell yo about that

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suggested that former vice president, mike pence, was responsible for the rioter actions on january six -- trump, while on the plan heading to iowa said, quote, pence and the votes back to th legislatures, they wouldn' have had a problem with januar six. in many ways, you can blame hi for january the six. whatever let's bring in -

from the new york times, new york magazine -- his latest piece is -- may not be fascist, but it's definitely getting fast year left-wing case for downplaying authoritarianism is no convincing so jonathan, jonathan, i lov your columns, i read you columns. usually agree with most of you columns. >> there's one coming. >> yeah, and a various - let's be lgbt about this at the same time jonathan, a the same time, i feel myself i a strange position where i'm usually the one that tells people around here not t catastrophize that the world i coming to an end and - but you actually, and your articles sort of told me through reading the article, don't catastrophize, this gu is not a fascist

explain why. >> look, there is a lot of definitions of what a fascis is, and you can plush into tha in literature and get 1000 different meanings that was term means i'm just trying to use a ter in the way most people uses. i think the way most we al understand the turn fascist is a system where you can't oppos the ruling party without being arrested or killed if there is active elections active oppositions, it may b an authoritarian style system. you may have something like -- not a very liberal democracy that's not really a fascis system i think you have to understand that these things are all on a continuum. it's not black and white democracy dictatorship, i don' even think as angels as trum and desantis are, they aren' fascist. they don't want to system wher we don't have anything like real election and you're jus going to get shot fo criticizing them as dangerous as they are that's where i placed them

>> and again, just because, we don't know how desantis woul run things as president of the united states. we do know how donald trum would run things this is just our line i want t drill down a little bit here you're saying that trump o desantis or trying to build system like this, i would argu that's exactly what donald trump is trying to build a system where, i mean again not to personalize it, it's pretty good example, he didn't like how i was covering covid, so he started talking about ho i was a murderer and sayin that i needed to be sent t jail for capital murder. he, of course, we can list other people he went after he told his attorney general two weeks before the election, pressured him to arrest hi political opponent who was ahead of him in the polls an arrest his family. we can go on and on. i guess my argument is, an forgive me, i don't want t sound condescending here because you're like 1000 times smarter than i am.

>> let me have it. >> i just think you show a lac of imagination here, and i'm very serious i think this is exactly what donald trump would do if he ha a chance he is trying to build this typ of system and it was matt' sony democracy, it was check and balances, and it was federal judges of al geological strikes that was the only thing that stopped him from doing this. >> so, i don't think we really disagree about trump i think where we disagree is i the massive amount of spac between what we -- what existed before trump came along and a fascist country. you can go very far down the road towards authoritarianis and still be stopping well short of fascism a system that you can describe as totalitarian. the word totalitarian, you know, obviously involves world turtle meaning that the government an the ruling party infuses itsel

into every aspect of our lives there's absolutely no room for any kind of political or cultural thought that exis apart from the ideology of the ruling party that's very, very extreme. that's stalin's soviet union that's hitler's germany. i don't think that's where trump has its. i think he has something mor like a or bono state o something even closer to putin's russia, which i'm no sure close fires as fascist. even though it's getting prett close. maybe i'm just making it academic point there, but don't think we really disagree about trump. >> hey johnson, is jonas and let me, or let me ask you then if the republican party is getting fast shear, do you see any more how that trend is reverse. right now of course, donal trump is still the dominan figure in the party, we ca talk about how others began to

emulate him. it seems like the party is heading down the pass -- how does it stop and go th other way? >> that's a great question i wish i had a good answer for you. it does seem like there was solid start in the midterm elections where you had some o the republican candidates wh are most associated with trump's most authoritarian ideas. like mastriano in pennsylvania and lake, in arizona i think some of the othe republicans who had been inclined to support them and endorse them or saying now wait a second, this is costing us at the polls. this is an electoral liability we're not going to be able t gain power in the first plac and we put these people up for office i think, if you can inflict if you are defeats like that on the party and punish these authoritarian moves, i think you might make the rest of the public reporting flu lik there's a heavy cost to goin down this route. that's not a foolproof plan, plus the best i can come u with >> coming up, the state of ohi

is now suing - over the toxic train derailmen east palestine -- ohio attorney general joins us next on what this lawsuit could, wood and white cover, and th message he hopes it sends. ♪

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attorney general there has filed a lawsuit against nort texas -- after one of his train derailed near the pennsylvania border, spilling toxic chemicals in the eas palestine. the lawsuit accuses north texa learn of filing state an environmental laws, claiming the rail operator was negligen and reckless a statement the company wrote, it is working with the state t conduct long term air water an soil testing, compensate presidents for residents - and address losses in property

values joining us now, the man wh filed the suit on behalf o ohio, attorney general dav yost and, thank you for coming on i guess, first of all, how broad, how much of the pai that has been caused by this accident is being covered in this lawsuit >> well, it's important to realize that this is - there is still private wrong that have been done, individua private lawsuits that ar unaffected by the states action the bottom line is that, i affected the community as whole, it affected the economy the environment, and the air water and land it affected real estate values there is a lot going on here and our lawsuit is designed to look long and make sure that norfolk southern lives up to its promises >> i know the rest of the pane

ask you more about the lawsuit but i'm just curious about the people of east palestine i was on the phone with erin brockovich a couple of days ago, and she has incredible stories just story after story after story of people who live i this community, who have poisoned wells people who are having symptoms people who don't know what t do at this point with the fact that they live in this place that feels condemned that feels like it'll never ge back on its feet is there anything that you can say to the people of eas palestine and the surroundin community? >> obviously, the emergenc response is ongoing. we have a short term issue o having to clean up the community. the polluted water and soil. but beyond that, this lawsui is the state of ohio saying, w are not going to forget you.

the effect that become a parro years ahead from now, like 9/1 or things we found out years later, this lawsuit is designe to make sure that east palestine is not forgotten and that there accountability an resources to deal with those things that we don't even know yet. >> attorney general, you say just now, this is abou accountability how much of it is also sending a message in terms o preventing something like this from happening again -- the most significant, and th one that has received the most headlines. this company has had a numbe of such accidents just in th last few weeks >> well, and as our lawsui notes, their accident rate has increased by 80% over te years. i don't care what business urine, or if you're in government, if you see an 80 delta and a key metric, yo ought to be asking some seriou questions about what you

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moved into her home along with her teenage son. joining us now, one of the stars of an prisons emmy award winning producer and actually, carrie washington, and the sitcom's creator and executive producer, tracy mcmillon wow, great to have you both. congratulations on this. it's amazing i guess, carrie, this is sor of uncharted territory looking at post prison life an humanity after serving time fo a crime. tell us what you're used t this and also what is it based on, including the woman on the other side of me >> the show is inspired by tracy mcmillon's life. we showed off in i mean it's not really a joke. tracey is a miracle. the trauma that she's been through, the circumstances o his life, make it so unlikel that she is the rock star of a human being and a writer and producer that she is she is, she is all of thos

things i'm so thrilled to get to be i a show that's inspired by th circumstances of her life. if you're stressing that you say it's uncharted territory i think we tell a lot of stories that we tell about people going to prison and wha it's like being in prison, but we don't explore the challenge of what it's like to be returning citizen as much. the challenges are trying to re-enter society as a formerly incarcerated person. and what it's like to love a formerly incarcerated person >> talk about if you cut about that dynamic and how it migh have - had working on this has change anything about the way you loo at relationships >> there are so many people wh relate to the show 80 million americans are walking around with a criminal record each one of those people surrounded by a circle of love ones who care about them the show is so related to a lo of people, but people who don' have experience in the crimina justice system also love the show because it's really jus about how to be a better parent, how to be a better daughter,

had to be a better child, bitter grandchild. it's really about learning how to love better and be better and coexist a multi generation of a family. >> tracey. >> so, the story is based on m life my dad was imprisoned for most of my life his most recent sentence was i -- i knew i was going to have t create a relationship with him on the outside it was one thing when he lived in my phone and when you are visiting in a prison visitin room, but suddenly here it i while he was - a teenager when he got out how do you put a family back together what are the pieces that g into that. and it was really about trust, it's about forgiveness, what does it mean to love another person how do you practice that it's in the way. and you know, there's also a lot of humor this is a family that we'v

never seen on tv before, and w have a lot of ideas abou criminals. most of them are very grim tragic ideas, but there's a lo of humor and my family my dad and i have a very a lightness to us. you know, so i think it's, wha i'm hoping is is that we can teach everybody in america a little more about relationship and how do we open our heart and how do we love better, that's really what it's about. well, that does it for morning joe weekend. we really appreciate you spending your saturday with us >> yeah. get me another cup of coffee make sure it's hot, extra hot, extra foam >> very good >> a vanity. >> we'll be back monday. >> i need that now have a great weekend, and we'l see you monday morning >> get on with it. so