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embassies garrett hague, mar-a-lago in west palm beac florida. garrett, welcome to you. tell me all that you hearing about trump world about donald trump saying that he is goin to be arrested on tuesday. >> donald trump's allies hav been preparing for thi possibility for weeks, if no months if following this case closely and as you pointed out, they don't have any more specific information than do you or i i fact, the trump campaign spokesman indicated in his cleanup message to reporters there is nbc news reporting, that made them first aware tha this indictment, if it comes

could come as soon as next wee but politically speaking talking only about the politic here, the trump team and his sort of wider constellation of allies have leaned into this moment, have leaned into thi possibility, to be able to cas the former president a standing up against what the see as a liberal, weaponized justice system you are seeing it from trump allies on twitter toda primarily, making th investigation by the manhattan da to the justice department to the biden administration, suggesting as the former president has done several times on social media, and i videos released by his campaig that he is being targete because it is the only way t prevent him from retaking th presidency in 2024 and this news, they essentiall scoot by donald trump about th possibility of his own indictment, it's forcing reactions from other republicans. and we will talk further about the speaker of the house reacting today but even somebody like chip roy, who tweeted earlier today, now roy is interesting because h is one of the first members of

congress he is a freedom caucus member. one of the first members o congress to endorse ro desantis for president not even in the race but trump's biggest opponent i the republican primary, here you see chip roy coming to donald trump's defense if the trump team looks at thi way, if the battle is betwee trump and so-called libera woke prosecutors, th republicans, even though as we refer to move on from trump, maybe forced to rally to his side politically speaking, it is th kind of thing they are ready t make part of his campaign. personally, donald trump's comfort level with whateve might be coming down the pipe, first in new york, and the perhaps from some of these other investigations, is another story. but we are seeing it develop i realtime here as trump and his allies are preparing to turn a legal moment they could come a early as next week, into a political moment they hope t use for the rest of th republican nomination campaign at least alex >> yes, you know garrett, think we have a soundbite that can perfectly illustrate tha

which we're talking about. if we have that, renee, ou director, if we can play that. okay, i guess we don't hav that right now, but i want t thank you very much, garrett you did a mournful job o explaining that without th soundbite. joining me right now is pete baker, msnbc political analyst and chief white hous correspondent for the new york times. we have charles coleman, msnbc legal analyst, civil right attorney, as well as host of the charles coleman podcast. a new cocktail, msnbc lega analyst, former acting solicitor general, and forme law clerk for justice stephe breyer welcome to all of you. neil, i know you have limite time with us, and so my firs question he was. this with someone who' potentially being charged in a newer case like this, withou person know beforehand that th day that it is going to happen or do you think donald trump i just guessing here >> sometimes, certainl attorneys are notified ahead o time and i think the most important thing at this moment is that this is a very serious event everyone should take a momen of pause

we don't know whether it's tru or not i personally have neve believed a word out of donal trump's mouth. i'm not about to start now because he is tweeting something. there are reports that there are at least one witness to go before the grand jury, and the like, and i think everyone should just take a breath. the criminal process, jail, is always, always ugly inside n matter what. that is particularly true if i happens to be the former leade of our government, and that ha never happened before. and, you know, at the same time, we have a rulebook in this country, one rulebook, and n one is above the law and i think it is important to remember that when you hea these political attacks on the district attorney, in new york remember that trump's own guy, michael cohen, went to jail fo precisely the stuff that he is investigating, which is thes payments to stormy daniels like that was part of why th

justice department found michael cohen guilty that same justice department this is the federal justic department, says that michae cohen's actions were directe by individual number one, whic we know to beat donald trump and that this wasn't legitimat expenses for legal fees and th like, but that it was hush money. now the most important fac about this is that that was no the obama justice department making that finding. it was not the merrick garland justice department making that finding, it was donald trump's own justice department tha made that finding in federal court. so, you know, when you hear al this talk about this is al politicized in the like, i think it is important to remember that trump's ow justice department drew similar conclusion back then but of course there was doctrine that said that sittin presidents could be indicted for federal crimes trump is no longer a sitting president. >> i tell, you that perspectiv

is valuable as we approach the story in news today. let me get to you now peter. your reaction to trump announcing that he's going t be arrested on tuesday, an then, calling on his supporter to protest, which as we want t remind everyone, it's simila to what happened in the days before january six >> yeah, of course obviously peaceful protests are perfectl legitimate in our society. the question of course is hi record of implementing non peaceful protests. that is the worry that you hea from law enforcement officials i think we should step back fo a second as neil is saying here, and remind ourselves just ho extraordinary this moment is we've become so -- to all investigations in the back and forth, the twists and turns when it comes to trump and we've lost sight of ho extraordinary of a moment this this is. we are about to see potentiall according to former presiden himself, and indictment of a former president that has no happened in our history. and why is that? it raises all sorts of big historical questions, not just

the smart legal questions in this particular case the bigger question is o course being, what does this say about our system can we have a system where, as neil says, no person is abov the law. accountability applies t everyone and yet, it will be seen a partisan it will be seen, because the former president will wanted t be seen that way, it will be seen as illegitimate by a larg share of the population. does it make us look like banana republic? like other countries, like simply put the person that los power in the criminal jeffrey. that is the worry that you see on the part of a lot of people who are involved in la enforcement, and in history, i think that is the concern here how will this be remembered by history. and the thing to be remembering, it may be the first of multipl indictments. this doesn't seem to be th most serious of all the charge against the president give that he did try to overturn an election and was accused o fomenting a insurrection the other indictments may no come until later they of course go more to th heart of his presidency, mor to the heart of his conduct in office >> yeah, and of course i wan

to remind you, we do not wan to amplify trump's call fo protests we are just merely trying to discuss what he is putting out there, and do so in a calm and rather sage manner but let me get to you, charles are you surprised by thi announcement legally speaking, was it a goo decision for him to do this? >> well, alex, legally speakin it has never been a measur that donald trump engage around what he says and does not say publicly i think it is important to understand that donald trump did not testify in front of th grand jury in manhattan for reason one of the reasons is that whe you're under oath, under investigation in front of grand jury, you can't contro the narrative. but you can't control th public narrative, which is wha you see him going, and then hi words, the best defense is a good offense and so what he is looking to d is essentially attack alvi bragg, attack michael cohen, attack stormy daniels, and attack anyone else who h thinks he can basically ge grounded in in terms of th public opinion that is his playbook that is why he is unexpected

him to do it, and legally, i don't necessarily know tha this sort of announcement is going to have any repercussion for him. necessarily, i do think that i might result potentially, if a judge is considering the ramifications of what a bail order would look like, he is not going to get bail becaus new york does not have cas bail for nonviolent felony offenses, but what could happe is that because of these sorts of tweets, a judge might sor of put a gag order on him an keep him from talking publicly about the case, or limit wha it is that he can say. so in that way, it might have negative sort of connotation o negative effect. but ultimately, i don' necessarily know that it helps and -- hurts him in that sense. >> you know, this question t you neil, because it falls exactly what charles is saying here if that'll trump is indicted what does that look like isn't it typical for someone who is charged, put in a holding cell, how does tha work with the former president u.s. secret service with him all the time >> new york does have procedure for what is called a

non-arrest indictment, and i an arrest indictment involves person who was brought before judge right after they are arrested, without going to jai first. i suspect that is what wil happen here. that you don't need to get int questions of bill and pretrial detention because donald trump will be thought not to be flight risk. i think there is a process b which he could be brough before that judge, but not locked up in jail or anythin like that. and i think that would probabl be the reasonable solution here, and it is the solution that ne york uses and other cases. and so it is not some specia rule for donald trump. it just reflects the nature of the underlying offense it's not like he's not bee charged in this indictment wit fomenting violence or anything like that. if the federal governmen decides to indict donald trump for january six, and his rol there, that is a much more

complicated scenario but that is not where we are talking about today. we're talking about what i looks like from this newar district attorney investigation, falsification of busines records, and with a intent perhaps to try and conceal a offense. from law enforcement >> we know that this wee stormy daniels met wit prosecutors, peter, what can you tell us about that meeting what more do they want to hear from her and is she expected to testify in front of a grand jury, or i that now not expected? >> well that goes beyond m reporting, i am afraid but look, obviously th critical case here is no necessarily her allegations. if the point is, h misidentified something in business, papers, in terms o the purpose of the funds, he account of that is not all tha relevant in that sense her count is going to be about her interactions with him, and she claims that they had a sexual affair he says that that's not true. he says that, by the way, is not true now because h

wouldn't do it, he said it because he wouldn't do it with her. that's the way is framed his defense. i would never do that with her which is of curious denial o course but look, if you are a prosecutor, and i'm not one, i'm not a lawyer, n.i.l.a.'s but i think that you obviously want to check every box, you wanna make sure you've interviewed every witness. you wanna make sure you know exactly what they might say in every circumstance before yo proceed, especially with one and indictment that might be a consequential as this one. you would not wanna do tha casually what's really interestin without this case of course is that alvin bragg is reviving cases that have been done an buried this was left behind by hi predecessor, and it's no something that they were planning to pursue something has happened here. you presume change, alvi bragg's assessment of th viability of this case i don't that's more evidence or just a different lega theory that is a really interesting thing, because - decided not to pursue th financial charges agains president trump in his own staff, at least some of his ow staff wanted him to pursue >> yeah, you make a very goo point there, which begs th question, to you charles, what do you think might've change

from brad's perspective over that of silence junior >> that is a really good question, alex, the millio dollar question, forme prosecutors like my self and others have been talking about a very long time they were literally assistan big drifts attorneys that left alvin bragg's office because ultimately upon investigatin donald trump, he decided tha he did not have enough to do for and chose not to end, that i heard that generate from people who work for him, literally led to a number of resignations i am curious to see whethe there is additional informatio that michael cohen has provide now as a witness potentially did not come to surface th first time that he looked at this legal theory. it, is to be honest and to b clear, just a sort of set some expectations, of all of th investigations, and of all o the potential prosecutions tha donald trump is facing, this i probably the least significant and i don't mean that in the sense that a felony charge i not a significant charge, bu we are talking about what ha

been the case of bonni williston in fulton county when you're talking about even the mar-a-lago case as well as the january six case those are much more seriou cases. and so it remains to be seen number one, what was the additional information tha alvin bragg learned at thi point the cost him t potentially move forward, an then number two, what are th specific charges that alvi bragg is going to move forward on that still remains a mystery and not seen so both of those things, i wil be watching pretty carefully a i know you will as well. >> oh, one and 2%. neil, if a former president is going to get indicted, is this the charge you would want hi to be indicted on? what a january six doj indictment, or georgia electio interference charge, carry mor weight >> i certainly don't think jus because someone commits some additional more serious crime, the excuses, the less seriou ones so to the extent that crimes were committed, and the type o crimes that anyone else woul

face jail time for, you should face jail time for and remember, these are crimes that michael cohen has already gone to jail for, trump' underlying and so it's a little weird t think that the underlyin should go to jail, but not the person who directed th underling to commit the crimes in the first place again, i'm assuming that the prosecutors can prove all of this up in court in new york and i do think, just if on would've been the hierarchy of offenses, things like seditiou conspiracy and intention t obstruct an official proceedin of the january six vote count, who are trying to get fake 11,780 votes, are obviousl some of the most serious offenses to the criminal code, some of the most serious offenses to our democracy, t our way of life, to everything that we hold dear as americans falsification of busines records, potential tax evasion claiming that your hush mone payments to someone you had an

affair with our it deductibl business expense those are obviously of les significance, but things tha people do go to prison for and so to the extent that that is right trump should just get the same rulebook as everyon else he will have an opportunity to prove why he thinks he i innocent, and he could g before the grand jury and tell the story, i understand why he did not, but the crimina process in america is one that is written to favorite defendants at every turn you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someon is guilty. and they're going to be 12 jurors the prosecution needs to convince all 12 of them that someone is guilty. one person will undo a conviction so there are very high stake here, very high barriers her to a prosecution, and everyone should be aware of them. i'm sure that the new york district attorney has, but whe

donald trump goes before everyone and says, i'm innocent, and so on, it is absolutel right. he is presumed innocent, h should be in the america system, but instead of calling out for violent protests, whic i sure hope doesn't happen everyone should remember tha there is a process for this. and he will have the ability t mount a defense and tell his side of the story. >> you know neil, listening to what you just said, couple with what charles said right before you, it is a really simple question. you said if the prosecution ca prove, you have got to think if they bring indictment against son trump, they thin they can can you give me a wait if yo will, are they 100 percent sur they can, are they 95% sur they can given who this is and th ramifications potentially if they bring this indictment down i mean, how sure do you thin they are >> i think they have to be pretty darn sure, becaus

ordinarily, you have to have probable cause, plus here we'r talking about the firs indictment in american history against a former president and so i think, you know, if i were to sit in the shoes of th district attorney, i would say i have to be really, like this is an ironclad case, which i why peter is absolutely righ to say that the prosecutor i going to be nailing everything down and so if part of this case is did you pay stormy daniels $130, 000, you want mistiness to b telling her story before the grand jury, that she got thi money, in fact, and that thi isn't just michael cohen's work you are trying to shore up michael cohen's credibility, because we know trump is going to attack him, even though cohen was kind of trump' right-hand guy for many years, trying to attack him as former felon and of course the reason tha he is a former felon according to the trump justice departmen is because trump himself directed him to do those things but nonetheless, there is goin

to be -- >> yes charles, i will ask you th same question. give me your sense of ho certain the da will be if they bring a indictment against donald trump again, 100 percent, 95%, whe you put that >> i agree with neil i think that in the case lik this, an unprecedented case of this nature, what is certain t be something where the prosecutors are always dotting i's and crossing t's, this i something that you really want to make sure is as bulletproof as possible. i think that if you're looking at a situation where if yo come for the former king in situation like this, you canno mess and alvin bragg knows this and i think that everyone on his team understands how significant and how seriou this is in such a way that the are not going to bring something that is half baked o mostly baked, or a lot o baked. they're going to bring something that is fully bake and ready to serve in terms of a prosecution. and i think that that is the right move, because a situatio like this was so much on the line, and such a historic case

you cannot afford for any hole to allow things to slip throug the gap. i expect him to go forward only when he is fully confiden that he has the evidence necessary in order to be abl to secure a unanimou conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. because that is the standard that is necessary. >> peter, you reminded us al that you're not a lawyer, bu you do know politics, so thi one is for you how do you think all of this would affect trump's chances o taking back the white house in 2024 because let's take a listen to his lawyer, joe tacopina, wh says that this could have really positive effect take a listen to what he sai this week. >> if they are pursuing this matter, it's weaponizing the justice system to keep this gu out of office. donald trump is going to win the election, and if they brin this case, i believe this will catapult him into the whit house. i believe it, because this wil show how they're weaponizing the justice system they're taking the vote out of the voters hand. >> joe, that's - not >> is that realistic, peter? do you think donald trump coul

spin a indictment to appeal to voters as being the best candidate for being presiden of the united states >> well look, we have to say that, what else are they going to say but there is a history here fo them that they are basing this on they have successfully galvanized trump supporters in the past with this story o prosecution, persecution, th notion that everybody is out t get him the mueller report was a hoax, and this and that an the other thing, and i think that is been a successfu political tool in the past t discredit his critics, discredit any allegation against him by portraying th mall as being political. and it's a sort of have residents, at least with peopl who like him, who believe that in fact, people are out to get him for illegitimate reasons i think the bigger risk here for him politically is that if it's not just the firs indictment, if it was just thi one, that might be one thing but if there is a second, or even a third or fourth, it wil become harder to make that case,

because you have to say that all of these different prosecutors, all of thes different grandeurs and judges who have allowed charges to go forward and so forth are par of this conspiracy, and it may just tell a lot of trump voters, people who like him, people wh agree with him, people think he's being unfairly treated, they might just be tired of it they made to say look, is ther another person out there who represents the same thing th trump does but that doesn' have the same baggage of all o these criminal affairs they might look at ira desantis as an example, he strikes a lot of the sam themes that trump does without obviously having to face s many courtrooms. >> can't tell you how much i appreciate three of you, peter charles, neil, thank you guy so much for giving us advice today on a really big story. also 1 pm today, i will be talking with a former trum insider on this breaking news. what my reaction to all of thi from those closest to th former president including melania trump. former white house communications directo stephanie grisham will b joining me at 1 pm and coming, up here from storm daniels, what she hurt said on time about this whole episod

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said, i'm not denying this affair because i was paid in hush money i'm denying it because it neve happened that is a lie. >> yes >> if it was untruthful, why did you sign it? >> because they made it soun like i had no choice >> was it hush money to stay silent >> yes i turned down a large payday multiple times, because one, i did not want to kiss intel, an be labeled all of the things that are being labeled now >> we are back with th breaking news that indeed with stormy daniels, from 2018, now

former president donald trum says he will be arrested o tuesday. that house money investigation trump calling the manhattan da highly political joining me now is washington congressman adam smith democratic ranking member of the house armed services committee, it's good to see yo my friend, i want to get int this, i'm curious what you mak of potentially seen a former president in handcuffs >> well look, it's a ver difficult situation. i think your previous panel di an excellent job of explaining it on the other hand, no one ca be above the law, that is simple principle of any justic i.d. and president trump, it is clearly pushing the boundaries of that. in my opinion, he has clearl violated the law and a numbe of different instances and therefore, it needs to b investigated and prosecuted. on the other hand, it is a deeply divisive thing to do. there is no doubt that it will ramp up the partisan divisions that we have seen, speaker mccarthy tweeting about it others diving into the fight

so, it is a difficult thing to do, but the justice system has to apply it to everybody, or i doesn't work and so i think that th prosecutors in this case, th justice department, they hav to pursue it and if the crime has bee committed, they have to file the charges, and then we hav to pursue the system as we would for anybody, and i certainly seems like there is ton of evidence here tha president trump has violated the law in the number of different areas. >> yeah, i definitel appreciate a political and legal perspective. let me look beyond that with you, because donald trump' social media post called for protesters to take our natio back what do you think he is asking his lawyers to do, and doe that give you any concern? >> absolutely. it concerns me we saw what happened on januar six, and we've seen over and over again that president trum is not opposed to fomentin violence to advance hi personal goals, and also you're talking about a mob mentality out here president trump's supporters

again, as we saw vividly o january six, you don't have to do much to get them to engag in acts of violence. president trump whips that up, pushes them forward, it is a very dangerous situation tha we are going to need to be prepared to deal with. i think that law enforcement all across the country, believe president trump is planning on making a appearance down in texas early this week. yeah, we will have to be ready for it, because we have seen we've seen this before in number of occasions, and it is very dangerous for the country without a doubt. >> all right, let's head overseas now, the internationa criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for russian president vladimir putin accusing him of war crimes tell me how significant this is, and what do you think th chances are that he will b held accountable >> well, it's very significant i don't know that there's huge chance that is ultimately going to be held accountable, mean, we're not going to g into russia and take him out and prosecute him, and so

think it's going to be hard, but you still have to make a clear statement that war crime have been committed. we've seen him, he's kidnappin children from ukraine, forcing them into russia, taking the away from their families they're intentionally targetin civilians. war crimes have been committed i think that's incredibl significant number one that th international criminal court recognized that, call it that, and call it what it is, an that the international community do so as well. but also i think it' interesting as we move from on subject to the next, the ris of autocracy, a fascis approach to governing, is global problem that is certainly the proble with the way that putin is running russia, the way that h thinks he can simply violate the sovereignty of ukraine and absorb it into that autocratic vision and donald trump, in the sam way, things that democracy isn't really necessary he want power if democracy gives it to him, great, if it doesn't, h will find another way to tak it, and the links between, you

know, former president trump putin, what is going on in hungary, what is going on sadl to some degree with th netanyahu government and his real, as they try to take away traditional independence, ther is this general drift in the country away from the basi norms of democracy, an basically governments of laws, not of people, and then moving in that other direction. and that's what we see i president trump's actions, and it's what we see in russia, an it's what we've seen a numbe of other places. and it's something that we nee to push back against, in the united should be a leader in the opposite approach. a leader for international rules based systems. democracy, greater economic an political freedom. not might makes right, as puti is trying to enforce upon th sovereign country of ukraine >> yeah, i do appreciate you perspective in naming thos

issues let's talk about chinese president xi, who's travelin to moscow for meetings wit putin next week. what you make of the timing fo that, when he watching out for >> yeah, when really watchin out for is if china is going t start helping russia in the wa in ukraine that would be a major line t cross for china. we need to do everything tha we can to bolster internationa support, to pressure china not to do that to not further empower the war crimes, and the autocratic actions of president putin and so i think that is the rea big worry here and look, china and russia share one goal, and that is to weaken the united states in th west both want to be able to expand their power without checks without any sort of balanc against it they see us as the primary threat they have that in common, bu china also, much more so tha russia, want to do busines with the world they want to do business wit europe heck, they want to do business with us, and the rest of the

world is very uncomfortabl with supporting putin' violation of sovereignty i ukraine. and so we have to, and i think secretary blinken, president biden have been very effective in calling out the chinese government on this to make it clear that an support for russia with subjec trying to some of the same sanctions. it would violate international norms, and frankly even chin has claimed to support and so that is what is reall on the line right now, as we look at how close russia and china are going to be. >> and those military drills are being held this weekend an the gulf of milan. that's definitely going to put all of that on display there being held along with iran, an their navies and so let me get to one mor question for you though. with the biden ministratio threatening a ban on tiktok, i the united states, if it's chinese owners refused to sell their stakes in, it tiktok's chief executive will b testifying for congress next week, but it also comes as now that the doj and fbi are investigating the app,

including previously disclosed allegations of the company's employees spied on journalists what are the biggest questions that you think need to b answered relative to tiktok, and what concerns you most, an you think it should be banned? >> look, there's two things at play here. one is the degree to which china could use this app to sp on and achieve their aims at the expense of u.s. interests. and we have seen that, certainly in the tracking of u.s. citizens, and the trackin of journalists we've seen it as china's wan to do. they also regulate these platforms, so that only thei propaganda message goes out. if you want to go on tiktok an talk about the violation o human rights in hong kong, o against the uyghurs, or stan out for taiwan's right not t be invaded, they will silenc that they will control th narrative. and so number one, what is china doing with this app to advance these interest tha

they have better contrary to our interests, and we need t control that, but number two the larger question of all o the social media platforms whether it is china or meta or whoever, using our persona data in a way that violate individual rights and privac rights to manipulate us and move us i directions and ways that are frankly not good for society we've seen the impact of thi is had on children we need to protect ourselves against china's illegal action against us, but also we need t protect ourselves against th very nature of the social medi platforms that violate our privacy and undermine ou mental health and a whole bunc of other issues. you know, i think we need to look seriously at bannin tiktok if they don't get those practices under control. i mean just forcing the sale might not be enough, but w need to make sure that china does not have control of thi type of interest so that the can jeopardize our nationa security so yes, if they don't clea that up, i would absolutel support it back.

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actually directing house committees to look into this that's right, he's directing house panels, many of whom are already set up to do this kind of work, like the weaponizatio committee, to get involved i something that the local district attorney may or may not do against the forme president of united states, wh is currently a private citizen he tweeted, quote, in part he's directing relevan committees to immediatel investigate if federal funds are being used to subvert ou democracy by interfering and elections with politically motivated prosecutions now marjorie taylor greene, wh is one of the most fervent allies of the former president one with political ambitions t potentially be his running mat in 2024, she has been tweeting in defense of the former president all morning and sh actually responded t mccarthy's directive praisin him for doing this saying that he quote prove again that through his leadership, the hous republicans will not tolerat

the democrats weaponization of government, and politica prosecution, just moments ago, she also appeared to respond t trump's call for protests, saying quote, we don't need to protest about the communis democrats planning to arrest president trump. these idiots, she says, ar stealing their own faith i 2024 this just shows you what a influence some of the far-righ members of mccarthy's part appear on capitol hill have on him, and what he is planning t do is have his committees look into this matter and get involved here, just as they ar gearing up house republicans are ready to join in a retreat in florida that is starting tomorrow, and it may potentially go into tuesday when the forme president says he apparently may be arrested. >> let me out one line that she, it marjorie taylor greene, t that last week that yo brought. fear and anger, that is th most powerful conversation whe election time comes. that is her perspective. julia, thank you so much for that coming up next, a reporter who's been tracking th response from former president

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manhattan da's office is, for potential invite next week and he saw that on late nigh tv, and it kind of enraged him it really sent him to a deep panic, which is why you saw th posts on this morning about hi imminent arrest. i think it kind of underscores the anxiety around trump at th moment, in part because, you know, he likes to go on abou how if he is arrested or i he's indicted, it could only help his campaign. but now that indictment is likely a very very imminent, you see the true response, which is a lot of fear in a lo of panic >> yeah. all right, so right now, as yo know, we have several agencies they are all working to prepar for any possible indictment. what do we know about thes plans. is their intel about safet concerns or are they doing this, hugo more, as a precaution? >> i think they would've don it anyway, because you do have this stunning moment that stunning president might end u being arrested and charged i

new york but the fact that trump called for in his truth social post for protests, it is very reminiscent of january 6th when he was trying to ge public reaction to somehow sto something that was going t happen to him. and i think that it has -- to law enforcement that ther may be protests. some of the trump campaign o the trump lawyers have bee expecting people to be at th courthouse in the district attorney office this entir coming week, but now that yo have trump calling for protests, nationwide, i think that law enforcement and certainly th secret service around trump ar set to be bracing for kind of potential unrest >> yeah. let me ask you what you di earlier this week, because you reported the trump's legal tea urged democratic distric attorney's office not to indic the former president do you know the reason trump's lawyers gave for, that in what do you make of their timing? >> yeah, so we understand that

in recent weeks, trump's legal team on this case involved - who's the chief legal office of the trump organization. joe -- and susan nichols whose anothe outside counsel works for trum organization that could be represented in the manhattan da's office that they should not indict trump because effectively, they don' see there being any crime. and irrational the reasoning that they gave, was look, this came with the stormy daniels would've happened irrespective of the campaign, it's that's why you can't indict him >> interesting, okay, hugo lowell, thank you for stayin on top of things are sharing i all with us. appreciate you one republican lawmake predicting a trump indictmen will lead to a big win in 2024 could the side of the former president possibly in boost hi campaign so, long live family time. long live dreams. and long live you. kisqali is a pill proven to help women live longer when taken with an aromatase inhibitor.

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on tuesday trump making the claim on hi social media platform today, a nbc news learns law enforcemen are indeed preparing for the possibility. that is according to fiv senior officials familiar with the preparations as this all unfolds, a new pol shows that trump has widened his lead over florida governor ron desantis for the gop nomination joining me now is a lindsa johnson, political strategist, senior adviser for president biden's 2020 campaign, and chief impact officer of 10:5 west broad and also, tara setmayer, senio adviser for the lincoln project, resident scholar at uva center for politics, and former gop congressional communications director ladies, welcome, always good t see you both so linda, what impact do you think and impact would have on the presidential race. how significant of a role with that play? >> it is an extremel significant role it will play. i think, we would hope, that would give the republican part the ability to walk away fro

donald trump but when you sa some of the tweets fro marjorie taylor greene and speaker mccarthy, that's not necessarily the case, but i do think that indictment will sho the american people that these are just quote unquote political investigations he was impeached twice he is the reason that there wa an insurrection at our capital and so i believed that hopefully it will do something to the republican party, but again, there are so many leaders who are scared to stan up to him and walk away from him, but unfortunately, they feel as though there is a base that they have to continue t cultivate that is followin him. >> i'm going to pick up with that on you, because republica marjorie taylor greene tweeted that if the manhattan da indites president trump, h will ultimately win even bigge than he is already going t win. how real of a possibility is that i mean, trump's campaign, you should remember, raise millions during his impeachment, and the donations absolutely searched after the mar-a-lag

property was raided coul seeing the president i handcuffs and up boosting hi campaign making people think that tha envisioning is what we make hi the best presidential candidate? >> while the sad thing is that it may boost him for the primary, four republican bas voters, not in a general election obviously because we've already seen that th american people rejected him i the last election, but the sad part of it is that marjori taylor greene is who is runnin the show here. she put that tweet out in th morning, and it was only a few hours later that kevin mccarth put out a similar tweet, dropping to his knees in subservience to trump and maga and doing the bidding of donal trump and marjorie taylo greene, and what they want this is unbecoming of th speaker of the house his role is to uphold th constitution, not to politically five late maga and donald trump and marjori taylor greene, and what they want

it makes them even more unfi but it shows you that the poin that we are at here as a country, and where the political, the republican part as a political organization, where they are staking their claim. this is not the united state of trumpist and, as much a donald trump would like it t be it is still united states of america. and we have a rule of law here we have a constitution that we are supposed to uphold particularly those an office like kevin mccarthy. and so to me, looking at the way that they are responding t this, shows that we are at a inflection point in this country. but the american people need t pay attention to who the republican party's, an continues to be. anyone who thinks that rhond santos or anyone else is going to swoop in and save the republican party and bring the back to a respectable party, they are diluting themselves this is who they are and you have a stochastic, domestic terrorists and donald trump out here about to stok violence again, because he is criminal, not getting his way, and this is the way he

responds orwellian, it's dangerous, and we've got to stand up agains it continually >> i have to say, i've never heard the united states of trumpists down, but i will use that and attribute it to you and let's move to the new poll which comes leaning biden 49 t 45% in a hypothetical matchu between the two. the president in a virtual dea heat though between desantis look at that, 40 7:46, tha does fall within the margin of error. have you interpret the numbers for democrats. is president biden bes position to beat republicans >> well, i mean, we have shown the american people this, in 2020, when he won the election against donald trump and he also showed in th midterms that it was not thi big red wave that folks were anticipating, because why? because of the president policies president biden's policies are very popular with the american people, and, coupled with, the republicans attacks on our fundamental freedoms on embracing the diversity o america, embracing the

experiences of so many peopl in this country. and so i think that this polling is reflective of that, and that wide margin between him and donald trump, that jus shows the american people ar done with donald trump, bu also this case about desantis, everything that he's doing i florida, there are people al over the nation contention t what he's doing in schools what he's doing when it come to african american history, lgbtqia people, young people women, reproductive rights abortion care, so many issue that are happening in florid people are paying attentio because they are saying, if yo wants to become the nominee, this is how it's done, and tha goes against what the american people want with the nex president, and that's why so many people i believe will continue to support presiden biden and the election >> okay, alencia johnson and tara, it seems a bit brief today, that will certainly mak it up to you your reaction coming up in our next hour from the former trum insider. what those closest to th former president might b saying about all of this stephanie grisham joins me i just a few minutes plus, you're going to hear mor from stormy daniels, what sh

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