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all painting the forme president as a victim. we've seen this movie before we're looking at what happen next and we're gonna look at how we got. here it all started with storm daniels and that $100,000 that she got back in 2016 all to keep quiet about an alleged affair with donald trump that he denies and it could end with stormy daniels if she testifies to th grand jury next week i'm symone d. sanders-townsend and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ today's show may give you sense of déjà vu. because we're here again talking about former president donald trump exploding o social media about being a victim of what he claims is th corrupt investigation. today the former president claimed on social media withou evidence that he will be
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arrested on tuesday and called on his supporters to protest in a post this morning on trut social, trump said illegally acts from a corrupt and highly political manhattan district attorney's office indicate tha he will be arrested on tuesday of next week he also told supporters to quote, take our nation back! a spokesperson from th manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg's office i declining to comment on th former presidents post and let's be clear, donald trump hasn't been arrested o charged with anything. on the nbc news reported yesterday that law enforcement agencies are preparing for a possible indictment as early a next week. just preparing and make no mistake, if donald trump is indicted, it would be an unprecedented development no other former united state president has been indicted on criminal charges not one. a trump campaign spokesperso in the statement said that there is no indication that th manhattan da's moving forwar
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with charges but that didn't stop house speaker kevin mccarthy fro taking donald trump at his wor and vowing to use congress t investigate any potentia indictment speaker mccarthy tweeted, here we go again, an outrageous abuse of power by a radical da who lets violent criminals wal as he pursues politica vengeance against presiden trump. i'm directing relevant committees to immediatel investigate if federal funds are being used to subvert ou democracy by interfering i elections with politically motivated prosecutions and then, just a short time ago, senator lindsey graham of sout carolina who's one of donald trump's most ardent supporters accused the manhattan da o making the case against th former president's personal. even though there is n indictment yet and there is nothing to suppor his claims take a listen to this. >> the prosecutor in new yor has done more to help donald trump get elected presiden than any single person in america today
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they're making stuff up. that they never used to get -- they hate trump. that's what this is there brewing an illega cocktail to come up with som bizarre theory the law wil never used by anybody in new york just because they hate trump you know why they're doing this they're afraid of trump that's why they're doing >> i want you all to keep in mind that all of this, first o all lindsey graham's comment should maybe signal for yo what we're gonna be hearin from republicans going forth it also keep in mind that this stems from an investigatio into alleged hush mone payments made to adult fil star, stormy daniels way back in 2016, before donal trump was even president we knew back in 2018 tha donald trump wasn't unindicted coconspirator. that's one's former personal attorney, michael cohen, testified before a new you grandeur a again - pled guilty to federal charges in connection with the case. it's perhaps as old as in this investigation is donald trump' efforts to portray himself as
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victim which he did before. all before he was president, with the release of th infamous access hollywood tape remember that which he did as president with his claims of electio fraud in 2020. do you recall that which he did after he wa president when he, donald trump, and form the world that the fb had searched mar-a-lago. although he did call it a raid for more, i need to bring in someone who knows. jonathan allen, the senior reporter for nbc knows jonathan coleman is also a former new york prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst and we had to go find charli savage, washington correspondent for the new york times and an msnbc contributor thank you gentlemen for bein here we'll start with you, i thin there's a lot going on here. there are multiple people wh are trying to figure out how t deal with the former president when he does these things. alan bragged, republicans,
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democrats. other prosecutors, donal trump's own lawyer where they caught off guard by this post? >> donald trump staff, everyon was caught off guard by this post i don't think anybody expected him to go out there and sa that they expected to be arrested as you said in your opening, this is kind of his pattern of getting the news out there first and trying to control th narrative on it was shocking this morning i got the phone call from nb this morning saying, how fas can you get to the office. we were all taken aback by a and as it turns, out he doesn' actually have anything t justify what he said about expecting to be arrested o tuesday. the spokesperson said that h was going off of media reports about the possibility that h might be indicted this week. as you noted, nbc reported law enforcements preparing for the possibility. there are so many different la enforcement agencies that woul be involved in dealing with an indictment from the u.s. secre service to the local law
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enforcement officials in new york that they need to have som kind of plan in the event that it does happen >> yes, i remember january six you look at the investigatio that went into that. and the criticisms of la enforcement. it seems to me that they'r proactively mobilizing if yo will at this point and terms of protest, becaus that's also what the forme president called for in this statement. you have folks like marjorie taylor greene, will put he tweet up on the screen she said this in a tweet she said, we don't need to protest about the communist democrat plans planning to arrest president trump and th political weaponization of our government and electio interference okay, so, what first of al there's a lot to unpack in tha statement. but that's marjorie taylor greene what's been the reaction fro other republicans? we saw what speaker mccarthy said i'd like to note, speake mccarthy didn't have to sa
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anything >> speaker mccarthy has al this power and he's talkin about the power of the federal government it's a threat to the manhattan prosecutor he said we're gonna use th funds -- that may have supporte something like that. so, if you look at the federal funding. had is that filter down to local law enforcement to local prosecutors. this is a threat from kevi mccarthy it should be read that way in the same vein, marjorie taylor greene is saying is basically show that sh understand what happened the last time donald trump calle for a protest. we also on january six if something like that were to happen again after he made the call, the strength of th federal prosecutor, jack smith's argument about incitin a riot if he makes tha argument in an indictment or prosecution, and it makes it all the stronger >> charlie, i want to bring yo in your. what is your reporting telling you, from the manhattan d.c.'s office declined to comment what is the chatter if there i any. and when it comes to multipl
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investigations into the former president, do you think that this is the investigation that poses the biggest risk to hi long term? >> this is certain and investigation that looks lik it is the first to go. in terms of a decision about making, seeking a grand jury appears to be -- he's not wrong, this is th week we've all been looking at he made up that it was tuesday when you're cautioning you viewers of this was based on n evidence, it's correct but it's also wouldn't surpris anyone of something happen thi week we've all been looking for and that's why those preparations are happening also the case in georgia with local prosecutor in atlanta, seems to be, we know the special grand jury recommended various charges she now has to decide whether to seek a indictment the vista gay shan's dan and b contrast the federal special counsel investigations based a
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washington and went into january six, and one into th attempts to cling to power a large, not just in georgia but in the mar-a-lago documents, i seems to be much further behind these two local prosecutions are the ones that are cute u to go first of something happens. >> anything from alvin bragg's office is there any chatter in new york behind the scenes today on this? >> my understanding is tha brags office is totally locked up they're not saying anything. and trump accused them o leaking the open secret abou all cases, not just this what what is known about a investigation before a indictment, is almost always coming from the fence attorneys, witnesses to the grand jury wh only have a pinhole of what' really happening or lawyers for the defendant that are trying to spi something that may or may no be reliable. they always blame th prosecution. but rarely, is the fact coming out of the prosecutions office >> very important point.
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charles, as a former prosecuto here i wonder your take on what joh hollen said about what cam from speaker mccarthy amounted to a threat to alvin bragg it sounded threatening and just your take on the post from former president trum this morning again, baseless frankly at thi point. everyone should be urgin caution. if you are a prosecutor in thi case, would you be concerned >> i don't think that donald trump's statement is gonna concern me at the end of the day, as former prosecutor i can tell you that alvin bragg is gonn do it alvin bragg is going t do he has a case in the grand jur in front of that ground jury and his goal at this time is t get a true bill from that -- and secure an indictment it doesn't appear that the jur presentation is even over so president trump or forme president trump's tweet is extremely premature because at this point it's not even
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certain that alvin bragg has a indictment of precedent an arrest - arraign him. all those things have yet to take place if i'm alvin bragg, i'm no thinking, i'm instructing my systems to move forward th presentation and get that trut out. that's the first step that's necessary to make all thes other things happen. with respect to speake mccarthy, i do think tha john's point is valid. and it should be very, ver carefully going forward. because this might be witnes intimidation >> i want to play something fo you all. donald trump's lawyer told m colleague, ari melber this week, that the former presidents payments to stormy daniels wer not illegal. take a listen to this. >> even if you put in your chappaqua, all you that but matchup i bought a car, purchased a horse, that's an accurate, that's a lie maybe but there's no crime there because this filing was not --
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there wasn't something being hidden there was no obligation to disclose this to an election campaign committee at all >> charles, does this argument hold legal water especiall because the argument that' being made when michael cohe was charged was in fact that this was being concealed because the trump folks were concerned about the effect o the election >> i wouldn't look at it as th strongest offensive -- simone i think it does have som significant challenges especially the committee the analogy he uses. the personal checkbook isn't something that your filing as legal document in terms of verifying what the funds that you are documenting them for and how they were. used that's number one in term of how that actual analogy failed i will say, however, that th da in manhattan, alvin bragg is proceeding on somewhat of a tenuous legal theory i know what something people may not necessarily want t hear but in the broader scope o different investigations tha trump is under, and potentia
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prosecutions for things that he's actually don. this is not necessarily th most severe of the crimes that he will be facing. that being said, it's importan to know, that alvin bragg di take a look at the legal theor earlier. and for some reason decline no to prosecute i'm interested to figure out what it is that change between now and then that's made a move forward a this time. >> again, we have yet to see a indictment, i appreciate wha -- i'm charlie savage for kicking us off today with nothing but the facts, th truth. thank you, all, very, very much folks, we all know that the former president is really the king of manipulating his way out of his legal troubles. and frankly other troubles he' had. but the question is will thi time be any different. i've got an amazing politica panel that will weigh in o that, next but first my colleague jessica layton, she's here and she has today's top news stories jessica, what you have russ >> thank you. russian leader plamondon trave to crimea today. a day after the internationa criminal poured issued a
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arrest warrant against him for war crimes the -- russian state news reports tha putin vision at an art schoo and a children center. possibly in response to that warrant. russia annexed crimea from ukraine back in 2014, that was a move deemed illegal by mos of the world the remains of a south carolin teenager with connection to th alex murdaugh case will be exhumed for an independent autopsy. the mother of 19-year-ol stephen smith made the announcement after interest in her son's mysterious death has spiked in the wake o murdaugh's double murder conviction smith died of an apparen hidden run on a roll road back in 2015, about 15 miles away from the murdaugh property but no member of the murdaug family has been directly named and smith's death. and wyoming has become the first state to ban abortio pills. republican governor, mar worden, has signed a new law he did it yesterday. just days before the state i set to allow a more sweeping
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attorney has not filed a indictment against donal trump. but that's not stopping th former president from sowing the seeds of chaos and doubt claiming in the true socia polls that you'll be arreste on tuesday if donald trump is indicted, whatever that may be they wouldn't only put our legal system to the test it would affect our politica system too the former president has sai an indictment wouldn't stop hi from running for president again. here is what's happening, folks, donald trump is trying t undermine the rule of law, scare the legal system into no indicting him. and whip up support from the same individuals that took u arms at the capitol on january
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6th. that's what his statemen taught and that's how we should tal about them my political panel is joinin me now tara palmieri is here, the senior political reporter fo putt, tim miller's here, write at large for the will work, an msnbc political analyst an democratic - stephanie brown james, cofounder of the collectiv back which focuses on funding and support for black politica candidates she's also here. lady and read, folks everyone, big news day after years of trump news that has had a numbing effect on lot of everyday americans. i'm wondering, stephanie, ho do you think this historic development if it happens will register with people >> symone, your point to if it happens, as the biggest poin of all it's a complete game-changer i the former president i indicted and if it, happens i think tha puts us completely with him ou of the race for 2024 i think it's -
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absurd he's even attempting to run now. but the indictment really to m is that stab, that he's no going to participate in 2024 that the fields a lot cleare for all of these other republicans who are going to o who have thrown their name into the hat to run. i actually think this will be very tricky, ugly, nasty republican field when it comes to the presidential election and the show is only getting started. >> tim, what do you think about? that again, there's no evidence, none, that donald trump is gonna be indicted. or arrested. but i do think his comments ar newsworthy, and this is ye another test about how the media apparatus should respond to this news worth information. without playing into the forme presidents effort to control the narrative. >> yeah, look, there's a lot t unpack there, it's the new
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media in my view idiot >> -- legal system's job to do what' right. that speak the truth about it. if donald trump wrote the la with regard to his illegal hus money payments with stormy daniels, they he should be hel accountable, the media shoul cover that i don't think the media has to cover all the searches aroun everything that he puts on his fake twitter account but they should be covering th news, and the response to that news and i do think if he's indicte will be a political fallou from that. i don't know if i agree that the fallout will mean that it'll push him off the 202 stage -- >> why not >> it's just as likely that it thrust people to his defense the key to understand th republican primary for 2024, the key voter likes donald trump, but isn't quite sure if they should stick with him o move on to somebody like ron desantis that's the person that's the average republican right now that person feels like donal trump's being on fairl attacked, they buy into the bs
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that he's putting up on trut social, all the stuff they'r hearing from the conservativ media. that makes them want to be defense of their man stand by their man to borrow a phrase i could see it helping them in 2024 it depends on the particulars. about exactly how it happens but i could see their way. >> tara, i have questions abou speaker mccarthy's tweet when i saw the tweet, i wa like he didn't have to tweet this and i'm thinking abou what stephanie said, and the added context that tim jus gave and maybe the reason he spok out is the point jim sin jus made that there are factions of the republican party apparatus that want to see themselve want to come to the defense of the former president again, nothing has happened. but neighbors because mccarthy felt he needed to be with thos people what's your reporting tellin you? >> absolutely. i think every candidate fo
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2024 we'll end up supporting donald trump in this he'll say it's a political witch hunt they're all trying to win over his base of borders. kevin mccarthy needs to keep that faction of the republican party happy. as we saw from his attempts up becoming speaker and they're very powerfu faction in the party, we nee to pay lip service to them he's long been trying to win the support of trump and his base, and his followers. it's a very real part of the party. and they can't abandon trump now. even people like ron desanti need to walk a tightrope whe it comes to this nikki haley, the others, i they're gonna win trump's base to win the primary, they can't defend it's a big problem they're having that's why they're not attacking. i'm on the flip side, i will say, i think the indictment ma help them become the nominee because it will shore up his - republican base. it will hurt him in a genera election it might be the best thing tha will happen to joe biden because independent voters suburban women, are tired,
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they're fatigued, there's neve -- they've shown us in 2020, an they don't want trump anymore. so, trump becomes the nominee. because his supporters decid they want him to become th republican nominee it's gonna hurt him in the lon run. it's not a good thing for th republican party >> it remains to be seen stephanie, i want to go back t the point you made that he should be disqualified and i want everyone to weigh i here quickly i think if i became, if ther was an investigation open abou me tomorrow, and if a potentia indictment finally came down, don't necessarily think i woul be expecting to host my show next saturday. but there are people out there who are wondering the same thing about donald trump how can he still be a candidat for president if he is in fact indicted >> can't look -- can't cancel dismantled.
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i think it's completel ridiculous if he were to b indicted and still b considered a candidate and front runner and this point about trump's voters, i think this is question who remains trump voters we've seen former presiden just went to iowa this week. in 2020, won he had 69% suppor of folks wanting him to be president. but if you look, now he ha less than 45% support. i think the trump voters tha we're talking about may no exactly be the ones that are gonna be beside, indictment ar not moving forward >> tim, i'll give you the last word on this one but luckily, you'll all stic around after the break tim, your thoughts >> yeah, look, i don't think that i'd be doing my job at th bulwark either if i go indicted but i'll say, this donald trum is guilty. but it's not really my job t judge. i will be on that jury in america you're innocent until proven guilty. i understand why he thinks tha he can still run and i understand why the kin of people that are in this
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breaking news about former president donald trump, on social media without evidenc that he'll be arrested o tuesday. but first, we have other new that we want to talk to yo about. the supreme court's reversal o roe v. wade, remember? that it's still having a devastating effect on women' bodily autonomy across our country. and the latest setback involve a medication abortion. the medication abortions the most common way to end a pregnancy. and on friday, wyoming becam the first state in our country to ban the use of pills fo abortion this all comes as taxes judge, matthew kaz merrick weighs a preliminary ruling that woul force the -- food and drug administration t withdraw its approval of widel used abortion pills. matt - and legislation has potentia to disrupt access to medicatio abortion around the country. a political panels back with m now, tara palmieri, tim miller
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and stephanie brown james. tara, we have heard a lot of republicans ripe about so-called activist judges fo years. -- making what they call divisive decisions that affect th entire nation. i'd argue that this is that. how do you expect them t defend this potentia disruption, to medicatio abortions? >> i think that medication abortions have been a crucia work around. but they're going to say, this is a states rights issue there are going to, here's the thing they know it's ver unpopular with their electorat on the whole and they know they have general election coming up i two years. they have bunch of seats ope across the country, swing seats, swing states, they're not gonn bang the drum on this i don' think. they'll say, from the national scale. they'll say it states rights issue. but they'll say roe v. wade is overturned so each day has a right to decide what they want to do.
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abortion pills have become the way to get around this so women don't have to travel, miles upon, miles hundreds o miles to go to his stay weathe isn't an abortion blackout it's harder to regulate thes abortion - i think it's interesting to se wyoming trying to manage i doubt that's gonna stop th flow - where they are targeting the doctors. >> this is an important poin that kara makes. they're targeting the doctors. , stephanie what do you thin are some possible response from the fda, i'd argue some other entities that counteract the effects if the judge issue this preliminary order i asked that because this poin that kara made about a state rights issue it seems that this one judge i texas is gonna have the abilit to take away the abortion pill for every woman in america not just women in texas, i doesn't seem right >> this is a pell that has it's been out there for over 2 years, for more than 5 million
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people have taken this pill. it's been deemed safe for al of this time and really as a gateway fo women to make a decision ove their bodies, their lives. this has huge ramifications. if this presses the fda to hav to remove this from the. shelve and a terrorist point as, well there are a lot of time when you put restrictions on medications -- they'll find a way sometimes they need a lesser version of drug that's been known to be safe and now perhaps isn't anymore. because it's not the sam version. i think there's catastrophic consequences if this indee goes far enough to where thi pill is taken off the shelf. >> in a trip to iowa earlier this week, vice presiden kamala harris, recently spok about the broader goal o efforts like this. i want you all to take a listen >> the fundamental issue a pla
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with that court cases ar public health system as whole. if politicians can start using the court to undo doctor decisions. i mentioned where that could lead >> timber, a flee your response? >> i think it's a compelling argument i think the republicans were unified and felt like they may emit on good grounds on th abortionist show just as far as what they agree with, what's politically possible back ten years, ago they wer arguing for 20 legal portion ban. what you're talking about, something less than that banning abortion pell's as kamala harris just said, overriding decisions of doctor between pregnant women and their child. and what's best for thei health i think this puts them i sticky territory you saw nancy mace out, ther are a public, and that isn't exactly a -- >> pushing back on this this week republicans realize that thi is bad policy, bad politics. once you start go further an further to the extreme >> we'll have to leave it.
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♪ start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> you can take that to th bank it's what you say when something is absolutely, positively certain when it that's reliable as institutions you trust wit your heart and money but when the banks fail, the impact can be cataclysmic. last, week we saw some of th biggest bank lapses in america history occur within days. silicon valley bank an
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signature bank, the seismi development sparked concer among every day americans abou the safety of their money. a shockwave that threatened to uproot other regional banks as well the government middle east upton with the federal deposit insurance corporation, the fdi as you may know, at seizing th bank's assets and assuring its depositors that their mone would not be affected. treasury secretary janet yelle appeared on capitol hill o thursday, where she testifie before committee assuring th public that their savings were safe take a listen. >> i can reassure the member of the committee that ar thanking, banking system i sound, that americans can feel confident that their deposit will be there when they need them >> president biden also called on congress to expand the powe of the fdic to hold bank executives accountable but how are elected official planning to secure your trust? joining me now to discuss, i democratic congressman jef jackson of north carolina.
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welcome to you, sir. first, before we get to this bank news, you are a forme prosecutor untold. i'm wondering what you make of donald trump's baseless clai that he will be arrested tuesday? and if you can bring us inside some of the discussion happening amongst your colleagues on the hill thi weekend? >> donald trump may very wel be arrested on tuesday i think if he is, had th general sense is that this i going to go whack to storm daniels, in which case he's -- felony there's a misdemeanor that h needs to worry about a falsifying business records. this has to do with the hush money payment, michael cohen's attorney anti-made the payment but it was trump will reimburs michael cohen. you have a misdemeanor to worr about because he falsify is wh that reimbursement occurred. the felony, if there is, one comes into play because ther may be evidence of trump's intent to defraud with respect to making that hush mone payment. in particular because he did i in phases, he structure th
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payment which may indicate his intent to cover-up what he was doing. because he knew that he wasn't doing something that he wanted people to find out about >> let's move to the banks quickly, any comments abou other members of congress that you guys are all talking about that relates to trump this weekend? >> this feels like a long time coming that everyone deserves their day in court and that no one is above the law. >> okay then let's talk about the banks the government rightly mobiliz very quickly to limit th fallout from these ban failures they stopped the domino effect but it's fair to say, we'r still grappling with issue like the housing crisis in thi country, student loan debt environmental disasters, particular like we saw in east palestine, or in jackson mississippi. what do you tell americans asking, what about the rest of us >> i'll tell them that you'r right. this probably was an example o
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selective urgency on the par of congress. that said, you can make strong case for urgency in thi case anytime we allow dozens of banks to fail, it leads to severe recessions, sever recessions are things to b avoided. this belongs on a list o things that we should respon to urgently. but to your, point so do a lot of other things. >> senator elizabeth warren, she sent a very blistering letter to the federal reserv chair, jerome powell and that letter, she blamed hi for the failures that we saw she called on him to recus himself from the feds internal investigation. she wrote this, for the feds ingrained to our credibility you must immediately recuse, yourself from this interna review and allow vice chair for supervision barr to have the independents necessary to do his job. do you agree, congressman, tha powell should recuse himself and will you trust the finding that the feds internal review? >> if the fed wants to do an internal review, that's fine
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but in addition there really should be an independent revie and the reason that' particularly important in this case, is because there's som early indication that th federal reserve itself made big mistake. they had oversight authority that they chose not to use with respect to silicon valley bank we'll have a conversation abou the regulations that wer lifted five years ago on regional banks, and whethe they should be reinstated. but there was existing authority that was not used by the federal reserve. will the federal reserve i their own investigation really criticize themselves, i don' know if they won a new investigation, that's find there should also be an independent. one >> congressman, if i can i want to switch gears to get yo to weigh in on tiktok. you actually came on my rada because of your amazing tiktok videos on social media i was scrolling through my pag about people that i don' follow, you popped up, i watched her whole video th other. night on silicon valley bank
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tiktok's in the news because the biden administration recently cited concerns over china's potential data collection through the app and in the near gave not the name - when the administration said sell the company or face a ban now this ban, which will cyran act of congress. do you support a ban if th demands of the administratio aren't that? and how could this ban even be imposed? >> i think the administratio over a year of negotiation through the treasury departmen came to the conclusion tha they couldn't reach an agreement that would satisfy their concerns about two thing in particular, data privacy fo americans, and the algorithm itself, the potential fo misinformation there i think the ultimatum wa necessary and appropriate. if i were, china i'd dives from tiktok, the 100 million americans that use it on a regular basis can continue t use. that the best-case scenari here is not a manning tech
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talk the best-case scenario is change in ownership. >> and if they don't chang ownership police stay on the platform >> i think at the boys wer tiktoks no longer on the app store, it will be -- a signal that i wouldn't use i any longer >> north carolina congressma jeff jackson, thank you very much for your time today, sir. we appreciate. it now folks, no american president, not one has eve been charged with a crime. former all current if donald trump is actuall indicted next week the question is where does something like that explosiv unprecedented event fifth in american history well lucky for all of us president trump's historian, michael that schloss is minu gassed he's the perfect person to answer that question stay right here, you'r watching symone on msnbc vicks vaporub? vicks vaporub's ...medicated vapors go straight to the source of your cough... ...so you can relieve your cough to breathe easier. vicks vaporub. fast-acting cough relief.
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lived through an interesting day, a horrifying day. not only are we in a situation where we haven't been, with th exception of the month after richard nixon resigned the presidency he was in danger of indictment but he knew quietly that he wa gonna get a pardon from gerald ford although americans didn't, a month after a quiet. they were in a situation for the first time in america, history an ex president seem on the precipice of very possibly being indicted, not only that, what we saw today was on top of that, that e president, donald trump, i that social media statemen that he made basically threatening national protest, that we know can turn violent. he's encouraged by - on occasions not least january six 2021 and then that's followed by th speaker of the house, kevi mccarthy, threatening th
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people who are bringing trum to justice, saying tha congress might cut off all funds. and this is a politicization o the legal process. speakers of the house aren't supposed to interfere with the rule of law. both of these things happe today, and this is something like so much of donald trump were getting into areas that w never saw before and i never had a right to expect that we never would see >> what are the lasting danger of not only the former president showing doubt abou the credibility of our government institutions, like, you said the speaker of th house of representatives >> on the sixth chatty wary, nancy pelosi was the speaker o the house, this horrible i that attack on the capital was you and i both saw it. at least we could say to ourself, nancy pelosi as speaker's gonna do everythin she can to protect the capital and protect the members of congress in getting beginning with th
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vice president and others whos lives we know may well hav been in danger and we say the same thing abou kevin mccarthy kevin mccarthy is given no signs that he would protect th capitol in the case of a attack like that in fact, to as we know, no long ago he gave how many hour of video to tucker carlson and others, 41, 000, 42,000? showing all sorts of aspects o capitol security people are allowed to go int the capitol, very unvetted it, unlike the time of nancy pelosi so not only do we need to worr that donald trump and hi people are gonna provoke national violence, when and if he's indicted, but also we nee to worry once again about no only an attack on the capitol, but the speaker who won't do anything about it. >> michael beschloss, i know i've said this to, befor
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mantras told me that history i unbroken continuity, it' important for us to know what' happened, so we can understand a little bit better when we're going. thank you very much for your - >> thank, you. >> thank you all at home for watching, symone, on thi saturday very busy news day i hope you learn something i'm symone d. sanders-townsend you can catch man msnb weekends at 4 pm eastern and anytime over on peacock. on mondays, peacock show we ar going to be celebrating he story, we'll be talking to women who are changing the game, their industries including som young ceos i caught up with. at the recent know your valu informs 30 57 and abu dhabi. you don't want to miss that if you want more of the show, find us on instagram twitter, and the tiktok. now i know you want to stay in your seats folks politicsnation with the grea reverend al sharpton is gonn start after this break and i know he's gonna brea some things down for you ♪ ♪ ♪ and to start screening for colon cancer. yep.
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