good morning everyone. it is sunday, march 19th -- filling in this morning from m good friend ali velshi allies of donald trump hav largely come to his defens after the former president published a post on trut social yesterday claiming, without any evidence that the manhattan distric attorney's planning to rest in this coming week, tuesday. calling on his supporters to protest trump's pros vaguely mention, quote, illegal leak as the source of his own information trump's ow spokesperson have clarify that they have not actually bee

clarified by any authorities own upending arrest. nonetheless, in the past 2 hours since comp made this claim key republican figures like house speaker kevin mccarthy, south carolina senator lindsey graham, they have all echoed trump' accusations. the manhattan da's indictmen is politically motivated speaker mccarthy going eve further. clay meaty he would use hi powers to investigate somethin that has not actually even happen mike pence, a potential 20 202 potential candidate who wa targeted by the mob who storme the capitol on january six als fell in line with a talkin point. he says he does not think that this is what americans want. watch >> this just feels like politically-charged prosecutio here for my part i just feel like i is just not want the america people want to see >> i believ that people understand that if they give voice to this, i

this occurs on tuesday, that they need to do so peacefull and in a lawful manner >> the manhattan distric attorney's office, which i investigating trump's role i the hush money payment made to stormy daniels back in 2016, declined to comment yesterda on comes trains or his calls for protests last night nbc news obtained a email obtained by manhattan da alvin brock, where he assure his staff that they are safety is his top priority an important rights we do not tolerate attempts to intimidat our officers were and the rule of law of new york >> there ha been no official rule of law that - taking the unprecedented mov of indicting a forme president. the grand jury in this case ha not finished its work ye either the group is expected to actually reconvene tomorrow. joining me now is caroline he prize winning investigativ reporter for the washingto post also an msnbc contributor author of the book i alone can

fix it, donald j trump's catastrophic final year. in a very stable genius, donal j trump's testing of america carol, it is great to see you. thank you so much for joinin us this morning. what do you make of that cli that we just played there? >> mike pence falling in line, a likely 2024 presidential candidate basically echoin what other republicans hav said calling the manhattan da' investigation a politicall -charged prosecution >> it is great to be here to talk about this sort of, stunning, and historic momen for our country. there is a very high possibility that the forme president will be indicted, fo the first time in history. i think that former vice president pence's remarks ar just ever so slightly more nuanced than kevin mccarthy's, or senator lindsey graham they are nuanced in that he said, i hope no one will be violen when they come out in protest. donald trump's call to arms wa definitely a dog whistle for

violence in terms of saying, kamau you have to come out and take you nation back by protestin potential criminal charges against him. criminal charges based on, potential criminal charges tha are based on an investigatio that is factually sound, found by a court of law. you may remember that don trum was found to be in unindicte coconspirator. michael cohen, who contributed to that conspiracy, wa convicted in sent to prison in relation to those fraudulent payments major stormy daniels. trying to hide the story tha donald trump did not want told pence also is slightly mor nuance in his remarks, recently, by thing that it just feel political to him feels like something america doesn't want to see. which is a little differen than, i'm going to investigate this corrupt investigation it is, sort, of an acknowledgment that it i really stunning for a countr to be in a place where a forme

president is going to be charged with a crime in fact, if that indeed, doe happen this week we will certainly wait to se what is, officially, announced certainly over the last 24 hours nothing has been mad officially made clear by and the agencies made here trump sent this in a post on his social media traffic forms based on illegal leaks do we have any scent where tha information actually came from in the trump world even some of his spokespeopl are distancing themselves, somewhat, from that term >> such a smart point, eamonn. i want to stress that it i important to remember that not only did trump's spokespeopl say that they had no forma notification from the district attorney's office about an indictment on tuesday, and arrest, and arraignment, nothing. when we work on this story

yesterday after trump' announcement the norma saturday morning scramble we got so used to when he was president. he would issue a treat early i the morning. secret service was also caught unaware, as we learned yesterday by trump's remarks remember, the former president has a security detail provided by taxpayers the secret service has a smaller group of people than when he was president followin him around making sure he is safe they had no clue as to thi happening. they believed the day would be informed by trump's attorney as soon as the distric attorney let trump know that h would be charged let's be clear about something else ayman, if you don't mind, i just wanna clear up some misinformation that trump is sending out. if he is charged and indicte under a felony statue in new york city it is not a violen

crime he's charged with. it is a fraud it is conspiracy that means he would be given negotiated terms into which he would voluntarily tur himself in no one is coming for him wit cuffs. he has the opportunity to come into the back elevator backstairs no perp walk if, he chooses. instead donald trump is really choosing to use this rhetori to suggest that jack boote thugs are coming for him o tuesday. people have got to stop this from happening >> are you suggesting th donald trump would use something like this fo political theater, carole? how could you? >> it is a tried and tru attempt for him we have watche over the past five years all o your questions are great o this thank you >> oh is a pleasure, carol thank you very much fo starting us off this hour i' joined now by christy greenber she had served over a decade i district attorney for th

southern district of new york. the former deputy for th criminal division they're grea to have you with us as i was saying with carole, despit everything we know about this, this is only based on donald trump's tweet, or post i shoul say, as of this moment how does what has has happened in the past 24 hours, this announcement, this potential call for protests, going back few days and - trump's lawyer appearing o this network with my colleague ari melber, change, if it all, the calculation above brag i the grand jury which is stil convening tomorrow >> thank you for having me i would say that as a initia matter there is no reason to put much stock in the timing o the arrest - his spokesperson came out tw hours after and said that he has no direct knowledge of whe any arrests would be happening how does this affect what da brag will do i don't think it really does i think his plans an

procedures will remain i place. i think he has a plan for when he will conclude his presentation to the grand jury when he will ask the greener to vote on an indictment and i an indictment is returned an he will negotiate with the lawyers as to any timing of voluntary surrender and th logistics of traveling a going along with that. as to the procedures certainly with a post like that which ha that tone of january six - trump made prior to inciting the violence there is certainly going to be heightened concern the concerns you would imagine that the law enforcement agencies that ar involved secret service, the nypd, th da's own investigators courtroom, security officers they are all gonna be workin to make sure that there is a security plan in place outside of the courthouse. inside, the courthouse in th courtroom. the procedures after his

processing in any potentia arrest we are not going to see handcuffs. i'll be surprised to see tha happen he is not going to be in a holding cell they're not gonna be any per walk i think that this will b handled in a way that he i extended courtesy to other former president >> in a position that yo occupy before, if you are on the receiving end of the types of messages, these types o comments, even incorporating something that kevin mccarthy, speaker of the house said in terms of what he wants to do involving this case. would you consider all of that and it's totality, the intimidation of the district attorney here? it >> certainly appears to b attempts at intimidation part of the strategy appears t be from trump that he wants to cast the case as a political witch hunt he is seeking to rally his supporters, rallying their outrage and if you are da, who i worked with in the attorney'

office and who i conside friend you are just trying t drown out that noise and you are focused on making her case >> let me focus on the f. d. and wife for a moment. they had their own investigation into the storm daniels case he was charge infamously there was thi reference to individual one, which implicated donald trum in that particular case. there has since been allegations by cohen, michae cohen his lawyer, jeffre berman the u.s. district attorney for the souther district of new york i'm interested get you thought. if the manhattan da goes forward with this indictment what bearing what implicatio does that have on the southern district of new york an office that you are ver familiar with. >> i will start with a disclaimer while that case i being prosecuted while out tha the office i had no involvemen in anything i'm talking abou has been publicly reported it looks like that sdn investigation, as it extends t

donald trump has been closed obviously michael cohen ha been convicted of to campaig finance violations and sentenced to three years for that and other offenses. asked to the sdny investigation, when michael cohen pled guilty he directly implicated donal trump. he said, i took these action in coordination and at the direction of donald trump. you're thinking as a prosecuto watching, this is music to the prosecutors ears he is a potential cooperatin witness. that is not how it transpired. essentially michael cohe decided not to engage in ful cooperation with sdny. what does that mean, for cooperation? sdny has a process for any potential cooperative that could walk through the doors that involves you confess al your sins. tell us everything you hav ever done. not just what you know about other people's wrongdoing bu -- >> every wrongdoing you've done >> everything you've done

there are reasons for that you want to assess the witness of candor. you want to assess their credibility. really make sure that they are accountable for everything they've done he chose not to go that route. he was selective in what h said he would do talk about certain subjects bu not others he was not usable. what was fdny's evidence without michael cohen as a testifying witness wow, we don't have complet visibility into that we do know about certain publi evidence that has come t light. there is an audio recording, that audio recording is pretty incriminating! you have donald trump an michael cohen talking about th payments, the amount of th payments $150,000 to a miss mcdougal. whether it is cash or check. how it is going to happen. whether it is going to g through a shell company, islan weisselberg's names come up. and the timing of that recording of key it is leading up to th election even before the

discussion of the hush money payment there is a discussio of other matters they want t keep under apps for th election that is really critical. >> it's important to keep that contacts this was all happening in th middle of the politica environment i think that i even why it has that heightene scrutiny scrutiny on it. kristie gruber, thank you so much greatly appreciate your time and insight. >> thank things have. amy coming, up the response to donald trump's claim about his own imminent response to the state of the republican party. plus, a creator cruelty to the latest round of anti-blu abortion laws and proposal coming out of red states w will talk about how th post-roe landscape compared to the pre roe regime as we mark 20's since the u.s. invasion of iraq i will be joined by congresswoman, barbara lee, and her vot against the war and her vote t revoke the aumf which was used to authorize at invasion comin up on velshi

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today and the start of the war in iraq, but i called th amnesia of convenience has set into the american thinking nothing better illustrates thi mentality by a recent strip up and president biden poland during a speech aimed at rallying international support for ukraine. watch. >> the idea that over 100,00 forces would invade anothe country since world war ii nothing like that has happened >> actually, something lik that has happened. it was done by the unite states in this century by al accounts the u.s. a coalitio that went into iraq when and with over 160,000 troops since we are on the theme of recollection the then senato biden was also the chair of th senate formulations committe during the bush administration and supported the iraq war

president biden's gaffe in warsaw is nothing compared t the 14 slipped the forme president george w. bush mad about a year ago speaking at the presidential center in dallas the president who led the u.s. into iraq said this. >> the result is an absence of checks and bounces in russia - and the decision of one man wh would launch a wholl unjustified and brutal invasio of iraq. i mean, of ukraine >> erect to. anyway - >> such ironic gaps an admissions by the leaders that lead us into iraq. they do not contained in the references to the human traged that befell the iraqi people i the years following iraq war civil society would completely collapse, stepping in to fil that vacuum by the unite states, violent militias say terry unravel reeves proxy conflicts. international terrorist groups

chaos paved the way for th emergence of ices whic resulted in more than 7 millio refugees from iraq and syria and leaving nearly 8 million people from the region internally displaced this is according to a repor by the cost of war, a produc affiliated by brown university the report goes on to note tha more than half 1 million the rockies and syrians have die from the ensuing conflicts tha emerged from the initial u.s invasion a genuine reckoning of rocks destruction would hold account senior american official responsible for manufacturin evidence to justify that invasion in 2003 the new yorker reporte about the office of specia plans, a newly created pentago unit that went on a scavenge hunt for a pretext to attack iraq according to the pentago advisor, special plans was created to find evidence o what then deputy secretary o defense, paul wolf was, and his, both secretary of defense do

rump that, believed to be true that saddam hussein had clos ties to al-qaeda, and that ira had a enormous arsenal o chemical, biological, an perhaps doubly even nuclea weapons that could threaten th region in the united states. >> and 2007 the pentagon inspectors general issued report that the unit developed produced, and then disseminate alternative intelligence assessments in response to the damning report then senato call love, it chair of the senate armed service community said, quote, the bottom line i that intelligence related to the iraq al-qaeda relationship was manipulated by high-rankin officials in the department of defense to support the administration's decision to invade iraq the inspecto general's report is devastating condemnation o inappropriate activities in th defense department, policy office, but helped take this nation to war in an intervie with the scottish sunday herald, cia officer harold said th officer special plans wa dangerous for u.s. nationa

security under threat to world peace while the unit was dismantled less than a yea that it was created, none of the officials responsible fo an the intelligence that led t the invasion of iraq have ever been held accountable. perhaps the most damning aspec of the american push for war i iraq wasn't just any manufacturing a pretext it i the fact that it was drive largely by a decades long push to ensure american primacy articulated in the defense planning guidance of 199 authored by former vic president, dick cheney, then secretary of state colin powell, and the secretary of defense paul wolfe awaits. here is the bottom line, it ha nothing to do with humanitaria or stabilization concerns, i was a naked exploitation and 9/11 to ensure the unite states could have hegemony ove the world. the brutal reality is th voices of these faraway victim have effectively been erased not silenced but erased by a american establishment that ha

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that was the days after 9/11 when emotions were raw at the time you are called a traitor, you were subjected to death threats, insulin, an hate mail. why did you make that decision knowing what you are up against? >> ayman, thank you for having me first of all that was a 60 wor overly broad authorization what it said, basically, is an president -- of course then president bush, but any precedent subsequently to president bush could make decisions about the use of force. that really took, first of all congress's responsibility an placed in the hands of the executive branch the constitution require congress to make the decisio and debate and authorization t use force. when, in fact, they missed ration believes they need to use force. not giving the president blank authority. it was basically, it set the

stage. i knew then after i read it an i knew it was taking place three days after the horrifi attacks that set the stage for forever wars we have yet t repeal that 2001 authorization it has been used over and over dozens of times, in areas whic have nothing to do with 9/11 it was a vote that was ver difficult. i need than that, first th timing of it three days after the horrifi attacks. we don't blink, my backgroun is political such a work you don't make decisions whe you're grieving, when your morning, when you're angry it was just a rush to do something given the horrific tragedy. it was not the right decisio for us for the members of congress to give any president tha authority to set the stage for -- >> you are right you are proven right when yo look back years later. i wanted to ask you about that

effort it's still continues to this day. you are working to peel th broad authority that was granted then - which has been used to the war in iraq in other places. interesting the we have a full list of actors the united states military i fighting a bleed thought t fight under the aumf it is actually classified we don't know who they are. tell us voyeur working t illicit today. >> i am working to appeal it because, if in fact an president decides to use force that individual that president could use force. they could send our troops int harm's way my dad was a lieutenant colonel, retired. he served and what we're two and then korea right after i voted against it he said, you are right don't send a troops into harm' way and as you know exactl what you're doing but exit strategy is in fact, don't giv any president the authority to set a stage for perpetual war.

we need to repeal the 2001 - we are close to appealing th 2002 amen, i'm close to you tha that 2000 to set the stage for any president to use force out of the world and keep congress out of the mix we have been missing in action again, the constitutio requires members of congress t represent the people, which we do it is their voice that the constitution requires to b heard during any debate abou war and peace. that has been totally destroye by these authorizations to use military force >> give us an update on th status of this repeal. do you have support from republicans? i think some observers hav taken note of rank and fil republicans who, to th surprise of many, i would argue, are joining the efforts to appeal the stature what is behind this new push do you think that it is goin to succeed >> sure, congressman chip roy, of course, tom cohen, severa

republicans have signed on t repeal of the 2002 proclamation if you remember it was based o -- your price story was very good in terms of setting the stag of why the iraq authorizatio and the invasion occurred. it was based on lies weapons of mass destructio were not in iraq and we knew that i have tried, many times, to appeal the 2002. finally i was able to get it off the floor with 4 republican votes last year senator cain and i have talked and the senate foreign relations committee -- i want to applaud senator cain and chairman menendez becaus they worked in a bipartisan wa -- to appeal the authorization ou of the house foreign affairs committee. >> you will pick it up again i believe you will have quite bit of bipartisan support.

it is the right thing to do. this four hands and. there is no need to have a iraq authorization on th books. it still gives any president the authority to use force a long as that authorization i there -- without coming from congress >> it is incredible. we are still grappling with legacy of that war after 2 years. democratic representativ properly from california it is always a pleasure. thank you so much for joinin us this morning. switching gears now to the former president's claim tha he is about to be arrested in the past 24 hours since donald trump claimed he woul be put in handcuffs on tuesday we have seen a number of key republicans come to his defens calling any possible indictmen politically motivated. house speaker kevin mccarthy announced he is launching congressional investigatio into the prosecutors at th manhattan district attorney' office former vice president, mik pence, said the former arres feels, quote, political charge and that it is not what th american people want to see. of course senator lindse graham with south carolina who

predicts that an arrest an indictment of trump will d nothing but help the forme presidents 2024 campaign yesterday, after posting his claims on social media trump travel to oklahoma for the national college wrestling championship nbc news crew actually caugh up with a handful of republica voters who had mixed reactions watch. i think the, you know, he did really good job of their country. there are a lot of people wh want to tear him down becaus of that >> the fact that he ma be arrested? >> i don't know, kind of makes them harder. >> we look forward and put the divisiveness behind us and mov us on a country. i voted for him last time. i think he was the mos consequential president we'v had since reagan he can't get out of his ow way. it's time to move on his policies were great but as a man, not so much >> nbc garrett haake is in pal beach, florida, for us near the former president' home in mar-a-lago

great that you could join us really shocked yesterday, i wa watching you live on the air yesterday when you broke the news the speaker mccarth pushing that tweet calling for an investigation into th manhattan da he called an abuse of power. 24 hour later how is this al shaking out? >> ayman, you've been 24 hours later i think that that is the most consequential reaction we have seen from anywhere of donald trump's claim the idea that mccarthy, second in line to the president the the head of the institution of the republican party the most highest ranking republican washington to hav the institution of the house - throwing the weight of the house behind a presidentia candidate whom he has says h doesn't even endorse just ye is, and should be, stunning to people here you have the speaker of the house saying they are goin to, essentially, involve the house and what a mass is to county level prosecution o someone who is currently a private citizen. where this goes is going to be

fascinating there are centrall three or four committees tha could get involved in this you could essentially see an arm wrestling match between ji jordan and james comer and wha committees could pick this up. listen to that republica voters from oklahoma who sai we need to move on we need t move forward i don't see how that jives with the way th institutional were holding a party has reacted here that said, this is exactly wha the trump campaign had hoped t see but donald trump essentially scooping the da in manhattan. now they can force the hands o republicans up and down th country. are you with the president are you with some democratic district attorney in new yor city no tweet no spoken statement has been more consequentia than kevin mccarthy's righ there? a huge flared to the rest of electoral publicans in the house. this is the direction they'r going not officially can mccarthy candidate but they ar still their guy.

>> i remain surprised instan that was the reaction to the speaker of the house to th post of the president not even an official announcement by th da's office. we will see what happens garrett haake in palm beach, florida. always good to see my friend we continue to await a federal case playing out in texas that could've been access to abou abortion medication. at the same time, th antiabortion movement is mor emboldened pushing for eve more creative the cruel an draconian laws across th country to be appealed the latest on americas post-ro landscape up next.

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place playing out in texas tha many warren could be the biggest rollback o reproductive rights since ro is overturned the case brought by a conservative christian th group aims to revoke approva of a key drug used i medication abortion whic accounts for more than half of all abortions in the unite states even as we wait for that decision, and embolden antiabortion movement is continuing to endanger the lives of pregnant people and esther coney in abortion ban are enforced and creativel cruel new tactics are bein proposed and state hostile t abortion rights. take for example in man in texas doing his ex wife' friend for millions of dollars each after she was help to get an abortion pill without knowledge or permission. hey attention to thi

inflammatory, language the friends, quote, conspire with his ex-wife to quote, murder his unborn child with quote, legally obtained pills. this guy is being represente in court by the same person wh designed the 21 texas bill who turned citizens into ant abortion bounty hunters. explicitly allowing people t sue anyone they believe wa involved in helping anyone els get abortion there are republicans in south carolina who are proposing the death penalty as a punishmen for the crime of getting a abortion the legislation the are pushing would equate a abortion to a homicide, whic is punishable in the state by minimum of 30 year priso sentence, or death, is a perso if convicted then there is the fact which does not get enough attention. even in cases where thes horrendous abortion bans allow for exceptions to save a woman's life, for example, it is still not happening. the laws are written so poorly

violators of pursued s ruthlessly but doctors are afraid to perform abortion even when it should be allowed under the law. five women brought a cas against the state of texas las week on exactly this point each of them saying their live were endangered by the state abortion ban joining me now is michelle goodwin a true pioneer i establishing and shaping the health field she is a professo of law at the university o california irvine and author o invisible women and th creation of motherhood mar ziegler professor of law at th university of california david author of many books including her latest, after row. the history of a nationa obsession. great to have you both her with us on this importan untimely session let's get into the examples just mentioned there all o these ways post roe they are spinning out scenarios tha sound like they belong in dystopian novel not in america

this guy in texas suing his ex wife and her friends they ar spinning a really to talk tory way how is this presentin as legal >> it is a dystopian let's get our language right these law are written perfectly fo people who are abortion foes o antiabortion this cruelty is exactly th point. when we think about the nature of what is happening it is a strike, not only against reproductive freedom, but we should see it as a strik against democracy itself this is the post dogs an dystopia as you described it we see instances in which th patients health is no longer a concern to these lawmakers thi is not pro life. this is actually anti-abortion i think that distinction i really important the texas case like yo

mentioned with the five women, let's be clear that they wer each near death before the were doctors who would intervene -- the case of the one with two where there were a intervention they were near death they were just eating fetuse that were dead, just sitting fetuses with no skull, and n room for intervention based on how these laws have been written. it is punitive, it is cruel, and it shows a real disregar for the life, health, safety and concern of the women involved >> mary, there are consequence to this. on the same story the suprem court declined to block this bounty hunter bill that came out of texas back in 2021. now we are actually seeing cases like this one. what is the danger i normalizing this type of vigilantism on women's bodies? >> well, i think what michelle said is exactly right. this is the signal tha abortion opponents view th federal court as favorable t territory.

they've been losing viable initiatives before voters. when this issue goes directl to the american people they know full well that the can win with the supreme court supermajority. they are setting up in stree courts with confederate -- conservative judges. suits that are stretches o implausible or disturbing, right they have a lot of confidence they're going t win. that really should sit off som alarms that democracy is one o the things that it at stak here we are seeing courts tak positions that the america people never would including, in some conservativ states >> let's turn to south carolin for a moment, michelle this might seem obvious but ca you help me understand how republicans, who are sel proclaimed pro-life activist when it comes to blockin reasonable health care, are al of a sudden pro death penalt when it comes to punishing women for abortions? >> let's be clear that we have seen a real shift amon conservatives i'm not even sur

these women deserve to b called conservative -- >> row is a 7 to 5 opinion five was appointed just as been blackmon wa appointed by nixon in parenthood v. casey which followed that opposing roe was a decision that was by the republican appointed - prescott bush, the father of george h. w. bush was th treasurer of planned parenthood when we think about thos individuals as being conservative, republican appointed, we think about thes individual such as south carolina it is dramaticall different >> it is incredibl how far the republican party has shifted to the right, th extreme right on so many issues, as you just outlined there mary, last week we wer introduced, as we are talkin about there, these five wome who sued the state of texa because the laws in their stat failed them. they needed abortions to literally, save their lives. due to this on clearly written restrictions and the crimina consequences for the doctors n

one knows when they can ac without severe blow back how are states supposed to function with important medica decisions now resting on lawmakers, perhaps even lawyers, instead of the doctors >> the texas is really pointed the problems with thes exception regimes altogether texans are unusually bad because texan has multiple abortion bans and have a sligh variations in each one bot when it comes to what th precise definition is when you can intervene and even how muc difference doctors get whe they are acting in good fait doctor getting multipl conflicting messages when thes regimes overturn the int doctors with their hands tied. the penalties are so severe. much harder than what we saw with pre roe bands a lot of rational doctors ar not going to intervene into th women's lives are almost gone. in part because th consequences are guessing wron are so serious now we are also seeing state

say hey we're not even gonna create exceptions we're gonn put the burden on the doctor t prove they could intervene you're going to see that peopl are going to have seriou health effects people are going to die becaus of the way these exceptions ar written >> what is the nex course of action as we wait for this ruling out of the course in texas which could set a new to a president what kind of rescue women have before this abortion bill goes away there's been some speculatio that companies me ignore continuing to provide the pill tone across the country. what do you think it's the nex course of action the next course of action is somewhat what we saw i november pushing bala initiatives acros the country because these ar issues where people with the capacity forpregnancy, women democrats, republicans, they want to keep the opportunity t be able to control their own reproductive health care there will be more ballo initiatives the executiv branch can also be firm an

sticking in the question i when these issues happened t be appealed up to the suprem court, how this particular supreme court will rule. in the meantime, there are states that are fighting har for reproductive freedom california, new york, colorado illinois there are a number of them they are providing the healt care that people need. notice that in these cases like in texas, these women wan department fees but their live can be a risk. these law of make no room fo women who want to keep their pregnancy but whose lives ar in danger that professor ziegler was mentioning, th risk for dr. the real. in texas up to 99 years of incarceration. up to $100,000 in fine the wrist area but the figh is on it >> is indeed we wil see how it plays out politically, as well thank you both for joining us, politically, on this ver important conversation straight ahead, donald trump

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