the former president published a post on social media sit yesterday claiming, withou evidence, that the manhattan district attorney's office i planning to arrest him thi coming tuesday calling on his supporters to protest. trump's post vaguely mentioned quote, illegal leaks in th sort of its -- -- trump's own spokesperson has verified that they have no been notified by any authorities of an impendin arrest nonetheless in the last 24 hours since trump made explain key republican figures lik house speaker kevin mccarthy south carolina senator lindsey graham, and others, have echoe trump's accusation that th manhattan da's office and it investigation is politically motivated. speaker mccarthy has gone even further. saying he would use his powers to investigate something which actually has not happened. trump's former vice presiden mike pence is a potential 2024 presidential candidate, who wa targeted by the insurrectionis mob on january 6th at th capitol, well, he fell in line with the very same talking

points and said he does no think it is what americans want the manhattan district attorney's office whic investigated trump's role in lunch money payments made to stormy daniels back in 201 declined to comment yesterda on trump's claims, or his cros through protest. nbc news, late last night, obtained his email sent by the da, alvin bragg, in which sh assured his staff that their safety is his top priority in part it reads, we do no tolerate attempts to intimidat our office or threaten the rul of law in new york there has been no official wor yet whether or not bright take to take the unprecedented move of indicting former president. the grand jury in this case ha not finished their work. the group is expected to reconvene tomorrow joining me now from palm beach florida. capitol correspondent, garrett hague. hague, great to see you again. you are near mar-a-lago. give us the insight into trump world. how are lawmakers reacting t trump's claim here >> well, other than the trut

social post donald trump has been trying to play pretty coo on the surface he flew last night oklahom city wants the ncaa wrestlin tournament he had nothing else to say about this matter then or sinc he has been back either on camera or on his social medi platform this morning. trump and his allies are watching very closely with other republicans say, and wha they do not say, about this. they have been very please with the way kevin mccarthy an other top republicans have com to his defense either as you pointed out by using the institution of the house to potentially investigating manhattan da, or more broadly putting chum in the water. we've seen tweets all weeken long from the likes of hard-core trump supporters lik marjorie taylor greene o lauren boebert or even more moderat republicans who, when thei backs against the wall to feel that they're forced to choos between a liberal manhatta district attorney or the forme president then they are backed into supporting the former president the voice that w have not heard, the one that i

in the trump orbit is ro scientists the governor of florida. perceived to be the biggest fo the girlfriend to donald trump in the republican nominee. again, desantis has no commented on this. there may be a pretty good reason why if trump chooses not to turn himself and and desantis wil be charged with managing his extradition to new york. whatever the reason desantis has said nothing about this. themaga sphere on twitter an in conservative circles ar very much in tune with the ide that the one person who is not defending donald trump i someone who could be running against him. they believe, the trum campaign, or the trump orbit does, and should speak mor wildly, but that is the kind o thing that could undermine rhonda sanchez with his base this may all sound small and petty to some degree but tha is kind of the idea, right you have a former president wh basically scooped a possible indictment of himself to mak the maximum political advantag out of it. that is the effort we ar

seeing go on to mar-a-lago, on twitter, and in conservative circles more broadly >> with trump it is either you are wit us or you are against us i'm curious to get the thought i that context as i mentioned you are i florida. you mention ron desantis, hous republicans, their annua retreat is taking place that this week. i'm sure this will probabl come up near the water coole at some point. how have republicans bee dealing with and reacting to those two men, specifically as they appear to be battling i out to be the head of th party. >> i'm going to speculate an say that rhonda santos is no -- kevin currently is gone all in on the trump train once again. >> it's not. kevin mccarthy has gone out of his way not to officiall endorsed him it is hard to view this as not preemptive without him being asked th decision to tweet out an investigation as anything but supportive move towards th former president after the rest of th republican conference, other

than the hard-core trump folks who come out and endorsed very early, some before dollars hom even included his remember the majority of the hous republican majority has trie not pick sides in 24 as well now this is the kind of even of hate potentially forced peoples hands little bit how i cuts him below who hear what i talked about yesterday chippewa, a very conservative republican from the state of texas, one o the first republicans to endorse rhonda santiff he was also one of the first fuel to take to twitter an defend the knowledge he called it a political prosecution i you -- have an event like this even i you don't want to talk to be the nominee, to defend donal trump's royals those water even more within the republica party. >> nbc's garrett haake in palm beach, florida we will see what happens later this week. always good to see you, my friend thank you for your reporting what was to go to remember whe

congressman spoke about th possibility of trump's arrest. let's take a listen to that ne sound. two wrongs don't make a ray. going after your political adversary in political - it's not gonna make you pillow virtue. it is going to descend all o america and in for the chaos not what we need at all. what allen brackets doing is wrong he should not be going out to don trump, period >> i think a viable question for the american people is gonna know you have progressive prosecutor using the justice system to come after political enemies fo political splash that seems to be the case here with the manhattan da. >> here with me now is cynthia all to be a former msnbc prosecutor and legal and it also a -- eastern district of michigan and professor at the universit of eastern michigan law school also the co-host of th sister-in-law podcast. also an msnbc legal analyst. great to have both of you with us a lot of questions i want to get both of you. barbara, let's talk about alvi bragg here for a moment.

this email that he wrote to hi staff. we do not have any attempts to intimidate our office or threaten the rule of law in ne york is political intimidation real concern for their offic right now? given the statement from the former president and give into consideration a reaction but i can mccarthy someone who yield tremendous power >> absolutely. i think allen bragg as a leade from that office is someone wh needs to assure people about something might expect it may very well be that the have already received threats. this statement by his people a in response to that. either way i believe he need to be proactive into faith these things can happen. we saw what happened on januar 6th. donald trump tweeted, it would be wild. he said something very similar on truth social yesterday. calling for protests and about how our nation is not going to stand for this i think you have to be prepare for these things i know that if i were involved

in the planning of security would make sure we hav additional security for if and when a diamond comes out i think that he is wise to b preparing his people for this. also to ensure that they are not silenced by intimidation seems to me the grand jury i the manhattan da's case is still very much in progres what do you expect might happe this week as they reconvene in light of trump's post? and his calls for hi supporters to protest? >> i think they are going to reconvene. they are going to vote out a indictment at scenes that we are at that stage of the process that witnesses hav gone in michael cohen, for instance, went in severa times. trump was invited, he declined we are beginning to prepare fo a possible arrest with the police my guess would be the case i ordered out on monday. it will be very interestin after we get to see indictment we are actually know what th

councillor how many counts there are. there were 11 checks i would expect we have a rathe large indictments with at leas 11 different counties. sub counts, we are going to be looking to see exactly how the felony explained all legal observers are lookin to see whether or not there is going to be a second felon charge in there or whether o not he uses a different theory of the case that is what we are looking for all of the complaints about ho totally unfair this is our somewhat shocking given that w don't have any idea what the counts are or what the charges are or what bragg knows! what he found out in terms o corroboration. it is pretty immature and show that this is a political defense is not a legal defense >> i was gonna say i think that's why people are saying t calm down in just wait and see how this plays out this week i think a lot of people ar watching this, barbara, with a

tremendous amount of interes -- including, perhaps, othe prosecutors. fani willis in georgia the doj special prosecutor jack smith do you think that they are concerned, or bothered, by wha trump posted yesterday and wha has been the reaction of the past 24 hours? could that impact the way that they go about their business and their job? >> i think they have to take note of, not only would on trump has posted, but thei concerns about the reaction to members of the public >> the way that political leaders are drumming up anger and fomentin outrage over this. i think that they ca anticipate that they will ge similar reaction if they fil charges in georgia or th department of justice. i do not think it will sto them from doing their jobs i think what we often said - i never had to face anything like this. i'm i faced some publi reaction to something but never worried about violence what we would often say in m former office was, we need t

dot the noise. we need to focus on the fact o the law. we need to make a judgment tha we believe is in the bes interest of justice. i imagine that that is what th leaders of these organizations are doing today. if anything i think that seein this reaction is motivating to prosecutors who care of th rule of law. they are gonna let people know that they are not going to b silenced or intimidated by tough words or even th possibility of violence. if we allow that to stop u from filing charges and th rule of law has been killed. >> absolutely that is very important point. we are country of a rule of law, not mob rule cynthia, i want to go back t something he said really quickly here for a moment. you said we don't know what th specific counts might be and where the investigation ha advance and where it left of several years ago. there are some analysts wh have said that, of all the ongoing trump investigations the stormy daniels hush paymen case might be the weakest, perhaps even the hardest one t prosecute.

do you share that view or do you disagree with that assessment i don't share that view. i think, my gut about th situation is that donald trump's abuse of the constitution is the most important prosecution. for me this is a less importan prosecution but a righteou one. the timing - if i got to pick it would be the january six in the atlanta cases that come first becaus that is first important to m the statute of limitation is under control here but because the statute of limitation is gonna run in may than alvi bragg has to go first we are about to have an avalanche o things happening we have thi case trump has a case within th next month - wear any normal defendant in a case would be sitting in the courtroom in federal court a that defamation case goe

forward. we have, it could happen thi week, the fani willis case could come down. there is so much going down it is hard to prioritize it i would agree but i woul prefer atlanta first but bring it on. >> we will see how it play out. cynthia austin, barbar mcclain. appreciate your time thi morning if you need anothe reminder donald trump' continued grip on th republican party than look kne further than the russi republicans publicly comin forward to the forme president's defense. we will talk about who sai what and why it matters to the future of american democracy it was a chaotic week for the banking industry - i spoke with the former manage of acid relief programs when i means for the mainstream in th economy and what is in store this coming week days after a warrant was issue for his arrest due to wa crimes and days before a major visit by chinese president, xi jinping, vladimir putin ha been visiting areas of ukraine

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wisdom, one would generall keep a low profile if they warrant was issued for their arrest but that is not seem to appl if you are vladimir putin. according to russia's a medi this morning, the russia president made a surprise visi via helicopter to mariupol

an important southeastern port city in the donbas region of ukraine that russia captured last spring following devastating and destructiv battle yesterday, he travel to crimea to mark nine years since the region was forcibly taken from ukraine. putin toured the area with crimea's russian installed governor and visited both an art school and a children' center this comes just days after the international criminal court announced that it issued a arrest warrant for putin for allegedly committing war crimes including the crime of overseeing the unlawfu objection and deportation of children from occupied areas o ukraine including mariupol int russia the icc also issued an arres warrant for putin's commission of her children's right saying she committed similar crimes last month, the report put out by the conflict of secretary found that russian forces have moved at least 6000 ukrainia children to camps an facilities across russia wer forced adoptions and militar training despite a warrant being issued

the chance of putin actually getting arrested, it is slim t none the international criminal court has no arresting authority on its own however, this marks the majo escalation in the effort t hold russia accountable for it unprovoked war in ukraine an all of the election were crime taking place there joining me now is retired u.s. army colonel yevgeny - he is the former deputy lega adviser to - officer for the white hous national security council. he's currently investigating war crimes in ukraine on behal of the atrocity crimes advisor group. joint initiative created by th united states, the unite kingdom and the european union great view at this, colonel. you tweeted friday that this arrest warrant attacks putin more directly than anything th u.s. or the west has done sinc russia launched its invasion last year. elaborate on that point for. us do you think it wil actually make a difference i putin's calculus >> certainly, it seems like th theme of your show today i

about accountability we talked about accountability in u.s. domestic criminal law. this is about accountability i international criminal law icc issued an arrest warrant o vladimir putin and the advisor for children's rights. it's based on a standard o reasonable grounds witches very similar to th u.s. standard of probabl cause. which means there is sufficien evidence that he committed crimes much less than necessary proof his guilt in actual trial whic is beyond a reasonable doubt i is significant because it come after putin directly and i actually stems largely - certainly in part from a lot o great investigative work including by the yale conflict observatory. group. and also work by the icc but frankly, a lot of what

putin has done openly. with impunity and quit frequently there is a briefing that h received not long ago from thi minister which - in which he reported to hi that she had personally adopte a child. and so as the leader of th country and he's received no information directly from hi subordinate that she's committed a crime, she's charged both in working with her, starting this aggressiv war and also as a supervisor basically, command authority from not taking any action tha he reports - it's a lot of this is fairly open in public information >> i want to ask you specifically about that. it's ultimately come down to being able to prove that wit that evidence. putin's accused of transferrin and deporting children fro ukraine. he just highlighted some of th examples of evidence there you've been gathering evidence

of a variety russian wer crimes how strong is it the evidenc to prove this particular set o crimes and do you know how challenging are they to prov in general in not just the court of public opinion as w are now convinced by but in a court of law. >> sure so the standard to prove it's beyond a reasonable doubt similar to the u.s. teno to convict a criminal trial. so that is a very high standard the amount of evidence being gathered right now is pretty monumental i've said this before but we have really only seen the ti of the iceberg we've gotten reports of severa thousand which is a huge numbe of children being deported t russia we don't know the full scope because the west and ukraine i the icc frankly have no access to the occupied areas.

they have no - they have some sense of th scope and magnitude in citie which is a city of several hundred thousand and cities in the donbas but not a real sense of it could be frankly a few hundred thousand children that hav been deported. the body evidence is growing it will grow more when ukraine is actually liver the territor and they can get access to those regions that they have not as access to for the bette part of the year and it's critically importan to hold vladimir putin personally accountable for this the icc released what is typically a warrant which is confidential in order to dissuade vladimir putin an those around him from taking these actions. they specifically stated tha in the press release it is necessary in order t

ensure that a rules based orde is reinforced. and that there is not a sens of impunity by russia an actors around buttery. putin >> certainly hope that accountability is certai matter how long it takes retired army colonel yevgeny vindman, thank you so much for your time. really appreciate your insights the american banking sector is still reeling after resaw tw of the biggest bank failures i american history takes place i recent days. up next, we are talking to the -- bench or who helped steal th country through the 2008 financial crisis i'm gonna ask her about how al of this will affect main stree going forward and when he's to be done right now. you work to protect it. the subaru solterra electric suv. subaru's first all-electric, zero-emissions suv. (man) we've got some catching up to do. (woman) sure do. (vo) built to help you protect the environment as you explore it.

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he said quote strengthenin accountability is an important deterrent to prevent mismanagement in the future. it should be easier fo regulators to claw bac compensation from executives t impose civil title tees and to ban executives from working in the banking industry again this call to action comes just after -- a week after the sudde collapse of silicon valley bank, the second largest bank failur in american history. the impact of svb's failures has been felt across the industry since the, signature bank is also collabs making it the third largest bank failure i the u.s. first republic bank had to get a cache a fusion about 3 billion dollars from 11 of its rivals to prevent its ow collapse across the atlantic, the swiss man credit suisse had to borro upwards of 50 billion dollar from the swiss national bank i an effort to reassure investor that it has enough money t stay afloat. joining me now is lori bencher president of bancalliance, a network of community banks she's also the former director of - that is the treasuries trouble

asset relief program that wa created to help dig all of u out from the 2008 financia crisis great w at this. lots to unpack here but let me start with president biden stephen on friday calling on congress to hold senior bankin executives accountable for their roles in their ban failures this appetite again. do you see that the next logical step to try and addres this chaos in our bankin sector >> good morning. accountability theme continues slight different topic thi time i do think that this is an intent by the administration t continue to look at what happened and what can we do to try and prevent a simila situation from happening again that said, i think this is suc a dynamic situation where it feels like events unfolded ver quickly and then even over the past week trying to understand what actually happened and wha are the next steps it continues to be a reall dynamic process where i feel like if it's - even a few hours, you have t

spell checker from to see what she missed i think as we've heard from th administration, from different members of congress, this is gonna take some time to sort out. is this -- clearly, there was an issu with risk management practices that the bank. i think that some of president biden suggestions are trying t get a different ways to addres that i think that we're gonna hav to take time i know that in addition, peopl who will serve has mentioned that their report evaluate their role and they hope to have that ready by the beginning of may. i feel like we're gonna have t look at all these analyses and put it together to figure ou what type of perhaps a responsibilities for the regulators or new rights w might need it's really hard i think right now and we're so close and in way still in a very dynami situation to know exactly what -- exactly how to >> can i say - treasury secretary janet yelle said on thursday that ou banking system remain sound, americans remain confident

instability. there's a tendency to think of the says one of us pro public has been keepin track of how many banks we bailed out we're protein and hundred bank to the tune of 600 plus billio dollars. is this a systemic problem i our banking system when yo have these repeated offenses so to speak, at that continu to be i don't see a brush asid because a written off as one-off's, blamed on executive and not a systemic failure >> i certainly think that we heard secretary yellen tal about systemic risk involved with all of these failures i think that there certainly been an acknowledgment we do have systemic risk and the possibility for these failures which have been somewhat contained. we can probably argue that for a long time. to really have a lot o different impacts not good new on the economy i take comfort in the people saying that the banking system generally is stable are th ones that very much have a lot of information about it an quite frankly the tools to

ensure that's the case what we've seen here, last sunday, not only the governmen taking very concrete actions but we've seen not just in the u.s., some pretty interestin government and private secto solutions coming together. it seems like there are sort o interested being created and trying to address this to your point, i think would b difficult to sit here and sa hey, everything is fixed everything is fine, we don't have to worry. what i take comfort in is that i do think the fundamental underlying banking system is stable and the people that are responsible for ensuring tha have basically told us tha they will take whatever step necessary to ensure that continues to be the case >> let me ask it this way, if can. do you see this getting wors for getting better should customers in the smalle banks across the country b worried? >> i don't think that they should be worried. i feel really strongly that we have a lot of different size banks and lenders in thi country and they lead to different parts of the markets

different types of borrowers different sized borrowers. that's one of the things tha makes our economy so vibrant and diverse. if i focus just on community banks for a moment and i'm lucky not to talk to community bankers every day, i think tha we see they are really key - from commercial real estat lenders to agricultura lenders. they're involved in the smalle communities, rural communities they know their customers. i think that what they see i the past week, i think thi goes for a lot of regional banks to a lot of their customers express confidence and kee their deposits there continue those relationships that said, i think if anyone who's a customer or deposit or of a bank of any size. you want to be informant you want to understand what th positive chances you look at your options t make sure that your money' ensured to the fullest exten possible >> i'm so glad you brought about a point. it's important executives ar on its untruthful the bank's practices to their depositors. lori bettinger, thank you so much, always a pleasure,

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whitmer and new york city mayo eric adams her sedan with governor whitme covered a wide range of topics including the high volume of threats the governor has received well home in the stat of michigan. including that infamous plot back in 2020 to kidnap her take a look. >> beyond the political threats, you have also been targeted by militia groups you talked about this a fair amount there was the plot to kidnap you back in 2020 that was thankfully stopped by the fbi. does this creep into your head militia groups or groups tha would not be proponents of gun legislation. does it creep into your head a you are thinking about pushing this forward and getting thi past and what the opponents of it may think or do >> yeah, i'd be lying if i sai i don't think about all th threats that i have received o that my family has received or that other public official have received. it is so scary and so common i this country right now for people to just threaten someon with whom they disagree. that's not what this democracy

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donald trump announced yesterday, without any evidenc that the manhattan da's office is planning to arrest him on tuesday, it didn't take long for reactions to start pouring in some of the support came fro exactly who you might expect there was marjorie taylo greene tweeting out a series of statements including a call fo republicans to quote g scorched earth though it is worth noting sh also some republicans do not need to protest as trump calle for. -- the third ranking republican i the house call the possibl indictment on american sayin that democrats are alignin themselves with the actions of radical dictators. representative matt gates, lauren boebert, j.d. vance, al rushing to the forme presidents side to voice their support. it didn't stop there are kevin mccarthy, the speaker of the house could have opted t

sit this one out he could've opted to pick middle path. he could've voiced measure skepticism about the manhattan da's investigation he could've said he'd be looking into it himself. or that he'd be keeping an eye on it. instead, he fired off a -- tweet of his own indicating that he'd b directing all the relevant house committees to investigat the investigators. calling it a quote outrageou abuse of power by a radical da of course, jim jordan tweete his support soon after mccarth saying god bless president trump. real america knows this is all a sham also yesterday afternoon senator lindsey graham spoke a the national conservativ forum. what seems to be the party strategic spin of this possibl indictment saying that it woul help to get trump elected an that the manhattan da's making stuff up because they hate trump. then, of course, there is th former vice president. mike pence in an interview with abc als claiming outrage over th

possible indictment. >> just feels like a politically-charged prosecutio here and i, for my part, just fee like it's just not what th american people want to see. i believe that peopl understand that if they give voice to this, if this occur on tuesday, that they need t do some peacefully and in lawful manner. >> if there was any doub before this weekend, any doubt of the power that donald trump still holds of the republica party, that doubt should b gone it is definitely gone. remember trump has provide exactly zero evidence to support his claim that he is being arrested no one's even confirmed a leak of the information just the mere suggestion of an indictment on his own social media platform has the gop a all levels in a tailspin jeremy notion of her reuben, a opinion writer for the washington post, msnbc political analyst, she's als

the author of the book resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. ana marie cox, conservator for the new republican host of the podcast space the nation wit great -- at both of you with us anna maria, like a sore with you. there's been plenty of noise from the right in the past 4 hours about trump's claim that he's going to be arrested on tuesday. a few prominent democrats have actually made statements to, let's 0.1 of them out. nancy pelosi, the former speaker. whatever the grand jury decides, it's consideration makes clear no one is above the law, not even the president of th united states. the former president announcement this morning is reckless doing so to keep himself on th news and two for four mean unrest among his supporters. he cannot hide from hi violations of the law. disrespect for our elections and incitement to violence rightfully, our legal system will decide how to hold hi accountable. contrast that for me, ana marie, with what you heard from kevin mccarthy what do you think pelosi's reaction compared to his >> i think this is a goo

example of our trump-ism mor than trump's control of th party right now. think about it what he really wants is fo people to freak out. he would just like to se people pour out on the street. that's what police about january six. i think the actual party jus needs to look like they're supporting him they need to have kind of media freak out and freak out line, they need to drive mor attention to truth social. i might dare say i think it matters less what h wants that it is his massive show of fealty i really appreciate yo pointing out that we have no idea if this is even true. this could be something that came from his iowa imagination let's say. i think that we do need to remember that he is able to be held to account. i do think this is much like other people have said, gettin alchemy for tax fraud. but got a good output fo something. >> absolutely, that's a vali point. regardless of what the crime is,

you have to serve th punishment if you ar committing a crime of this country. that's what we are based on. jen, i want to ask you about some of that you actuall tweeted out yesterday and yo said we should be focusing o liability and calling for demonstration in a way that coach anywhere 86th. i think a lot of people picked up on that same point readin the former presidents calls fo protest. can you elaborate more on that for us >> first of all, i think it' gonna be sadly disappointe because i think he doesn't hav a very good grip on the public and on public opinion. a lot of their supporters in the street or until right now. for one thing he's missing som shock troops secondly, i don't think people are that energized about this. sure, you're gonna see the usual customers squawk and mak outrageous statements. and it kevin mccarthy thinks that the congress ha jurisdiction over a loca prosecutor, then he really doe have no business being at th position he is seriously, i think what we

should focus on is that trum continually calls for violence when the law closes in on him. and that is a serious matter and by the way it kind o underscores why it is importan to prosecute him when he break the law. you can't have a system in which former presidents or anyone promises threaten violence whenever they are indicted or fear that they'r going to be indicted that's the ultimate sign - the rule of law. i think his calling fo violence and other voice calling for violence reall does echo january six. i think the difference is gonn be very few people are gonna show up at this time it's gonna be a big old doug it doesn't undermined th importance and frankly the represents ability of people calling for violence because a prosecutor decides that ther is a reason to bring charges >> jennir,fe on marie, sta with me. we're gonna have a quick break and continue this conversation

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opinion writer for the washington post, ana marie cox contributing editor for th republican host of the podcast space the nation with da dresden or ana marie, i want to start wit you. rhonda sentence here you wrote a piece for the euro public last week in it, you called around desantis overrated you basically make the argumen that the excitement over

desantis is an answer to trump as an answer to trump rather it's simply a flash in the panel. some of argue your seeing that already. the gop is really not ready to move past donald trump they say go, before trum claims about his suppose imminent arrest, you wrote defending trump's the entire gop brand. safe to say that you'v probably been vindicated ove the last 24 hour seeing ho republicans have bee responding to this explain this to us >> i think that desantis is trump-esque figure i think it's brand is that i'm trump ask. my argument is that you have trump, why do need trump ask this isn't - there are very few people -- i am a person who enjoys jus -- i like diet coke i don't want coke. i think that desantis is offering kind of what is i that coax the row. everyone likes diet coke >> it makes this feels bette about ourselves without having to admit it. >> that's right. and also, desantis is just -

he has all of trump's flaws an none of his features i think the main feature being that his boundless sel confidence his innate ability to know tha he's right when he walks in th room desantis is trying to be someone. trump just kind of is. i say this is someone who' watched him for a long time. i don't say this - maybe you hear a tinge o admiration my voice. just a tinge there is something almost al inspiring about the fact tha trump can be so gross and so negligent and so ignorant an shows have no problem with it. i think desantis knows whe he's trying. and trump never really tries >> i think he's rattled hi cage i think he's rattled the sentences cage and not sure desantis knows ho to deal with trump at this moment >> i think so too. i think that we will get - if they were onstage to gather we're gonna get marco rubi moment between trump and desantis i want to say one last thing

which is the article came ou after we found out about putting gate i don't know if you heard abou this desantis was spotted eatin putting on a plane with hi fingers. >> that's like eating pizz with a fork and knife, yeah. >> not a good look i think trump can get away wit far more i don't think he can get awa with that. >> jen, let me ask you quickly desantis has taken some stance that fall in line some of th most conservative of his party he's about to sign a six-wee abortion ban in florida. his views on ukraine echo trum 's what does this mean in terms o the gop primary field and th general election context i think perhaps from desanti is not happy with the fact tha kevin mccarthy rushed to donal trump's defense yesterday. >> i tend to be in the ana marie cox school is that guy i a completed. he reminds me of jeb exclamation mark or scot walker, another complete dug

the media kind of focuses on these people that they think are gonna be the front runners and rarely do they perform u to snuff because the media isn't a very good barometer of what the republican base wants i think he's not much of a counter to donald trump. i think these positions that h takes rather than people genuflect-ing. people when, they wouldn't say so trump, turn around and sa that stupid. we don't believe in that those same people wouldn't say the same thing to trump were criticizing the ukrainians o just claiming interest in an american interests there but with desantis, they feel more comfortable taking a shot at him because it really is ridiculous position. i think he's gonna hav problems - the people who are mor respectable don't find a respectable enough the people who want trump want trump. if we want to carry the analogy, perhaps he's the new coke. at the one that was recalled from the shelves because it wa

so bad >> jennifer rubin, ana marie cox, greatly appreciate your insights and references to die coke thank you so much for joinin us this morning. that does it for me. thanks for watching velshi me i'm ayman mohyeldin ali will be back here next weekend. catch marie saturday and sunda morning from 10 am to noon eastern. you can find me tonight on msnbc, hosting-mile-per-hour ayman at nine eastern. and on saturday evening, as we begin at 8 pm. be sure to stick around fo alex witt reports at 1 p eastern. amid new speculation about saudi tomorrow with the ne york city grand jury, alex wil be joined by former trum attorney michael cohen and do not go anywhere in th meantime the premier of insight with ji psaki begins right now

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