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you from los angeles and welcome everyone to alex wit reports. developing this, our new reaction today and a growing partisan divide after former president donald trump claim without evidence that th manhattan district attorney is planning to arrest on tuesday. the da's office declined t comment on those claims, which stem from an investigation int a hush money payment to stormy daniels. but nbc news has obtained an email sent by da alvin bragg telling staff they will not be intimidated. if indicted, donald trump woul be the first former u.s. president to face criminal charges, and early today democratic lot makers ar stressing that significance. >> no one is above the law that is a defining principle o the republic, and has been the case for 247 years >> it i

outrageous there is no thing to low the sky cannot reach every time yo think he's reached, it he goes even further >> also that he is ver typical of the forme president. he attacks the person who is leading this investigation i new york, rather tha addressing the underlyin conduct issue here >> but as trump faces possible legal peril, he is finding support within the republica party, from allies and eve some rivals. today, a number of prominent republicans appearing to defen the former president >> it jus feels like a politically-charged prosecution, here and for my part i jus feel like it is just not wit the american people want to se >> is another example of a tou tier system of justice >> think it is building a lot o sympathy for the forme president. i think the fact that i wa there this, morning some facts and none of them are big trump supporters, but they all sai they felt he was being

attacked >> and we have this breaking news russian president vladimir putin visited the russia occupied city of mariupol in ukraine. that's defiant move coming after the internationa criminal court issued an arres warrant for him earlier, today a white house security officia gave msnbc the reaction to tha visit. >> it is certainly a indication, i think, that he knows he is not doing so wel militarily there and he is going up there to tr to buck up the war effort. and domestically, inside russia, and to try to make at least visible piece to the world tha he is in control, he is in command, things will go well i the future so i think it is a lot o propaganda >> and, president biden is calling for legislation to hol the senior bank executives accountable following a series of huge big failures earlier today, democrati senator elizabeth warren tol nbc news what actions she feel will ensure a safe and secur banking system >> we have got to have a

independent investigation. -- needs to turn around the regulations that are in plac right now. congress needs to step up an rollback the changes that were made in 2018 and, we need to hold the ceo accountable. >> we have reporters and analysts in place to cover all of these developments for you. we will go force to nbc' garrett hague in west palm beach, following the violenc there and trump world. garrett, welcome to you on thi sunday and the new insight int trump's strategy says he approaches this potentia indictment >> well,, alex the forme president continues to use the possibility of his indictmen to his political advantage he just, posted once again, on his social media platform, trying to land what is a local prosecution in new york city t president biden and the justic department his allies are trying to whi up republicans in his defense. and we know now there is a least one protest planned, monday night in new york cit

all of this is happening as th da is telling his staff in new york that they will not be intimidated >> donald trum protecting his own arrest will come on tuesday, calling on hi millions of followers to purchase on his behalf and quote, take our nation back. in the face of what could be a historic first, the indictment of a former president mr. trum is making his claims on social media, citing what he, calle quote, illegal leaks from highly political manhattan district attorney repeatin that call to action a late post, writing protest protes protest republicans quickl rallied and his defense >> i wreaks of the kind of politica prosecution that we endure back in the days of the russia hoax >> the house speaker going even, further tweeting that he was directing relevant committee to investigate what he calle the pursuit of, quote, political vengeance against th former president nbc news wa forced to report friday that law enforcement officials in

new york are preparing for the possibility of trump's indictment and arrest, as soon as the coming week >> if the former president wer to be indicted, we'd be goin through the front doors of the courthouse here and lowe manhattan. second likely to the distric attorney's office with media and persons crowding in on bot sides >> the manhattan da case centers on whether tha candidate trump directed his attorney michael cohen to pa off adult film star stormy daniels, who claimed they ha an affair decade prior trump allies arguing that a ne york city indictment would onl help catapult him back to th white house >> so, alex, w remain in a holding patter when it comes to the da' investigation itself politically, you already see the work that donald trump has vowed in consolidating republican support you heard there from governo sununu, potentially runnin against donald trump for the presidential nominee in 2024 from the trump campaign' perspective,, here they want

outstanding peace on the one person who silence they're trying to make most headwa about is the governor of the state, rhonda santos, who ha not had anything to say either and trump's defense or otherwise. a maga faithful are seeing tha as a sign that he has someho been disloyal, or is les committed to donald trump. the politics within that community are always complex but you are already seeing the trump campaign try to use th indictment of donald trump as wedge issue against ro desantis so we will see all the political side of the stor develops even in the absence o more news on the investigative side >> got to say that you hit the nail on the head because i was wondering where ron desantis's voice wasn't all of this we have yet to hear from him good, point for pointing that. out thank you so much. let's go to nbc's julie serpen on capitol hill. she does have any reaction fro other lawmakers. julie, welcome to. you what are you hearing fro both sides of the aisle? >> there is no shortage of news even before the forme president put this into th ether from tiktok to banking

yet, today on all the sunday shows, we heard about this the former president floatin his own potential indictments, and of course after speake mccarthy himself tweeted saying that he is directin relevant house committees to potentially investigate th investigators in new york, w heard from both sides, democrats and republicans today, all morning. take a listen to that and we will talk about it on the othe side >> no one is above the law not even the former president of the united states. that is how our legal system works protests are just ther is no reason to protest this > this is one of the worst use o the justice system we have eve seen two tiers of prosecution. this gonterman tally with th criminal justice system is fla out wrong >> we are a nation of, laws and we should not b looking at - if he broke, the law he brok the law. >> there are some republican that hate trump, so guess what there is a double standard

that's why they are fed up wit the doj and the fbi with s many things in the federal government they know there is a doubl standard, and this is wrong >> i would hope that if the brought charges they have strong case. because this, is as you, sai unprecedented and there ar certainly risks involved here. but again, nobody in our nation's or should be above th law >> alex, those risks tha senator kelly, moderat democrat from arizona is alluding to our exactly what w have seen playing a politicall from republican allies of th former president saying no only that this could help hi politically because in the words of marjorie taylor greene, this could motivate voters i the fear and anger to go out t the polls, to protest this, in the words of the forme president. but also because if the ne york prosecutors get this wrong, which by the way we don't even know what they're going to b doing here, then this coul potentially cloud to tur diamond that we could see from other investigations around th country.

>> okay, julie thank you for the prop up ther from capitol hill joining me right now is jason crow, a democratic member of the house intelligence and armed service committee. good to have you back on the broadcast let's get into i here i am curious what you make of potentially seeing a forme president indicted or, arreste and the kind of impact that is going to have both on capito hill, as well as across th country, >> hi,. alex first of, all way to talk with some facts here a lot o political accusations ar flying around number, one we don' have kings and queens or royalty in america we just have americans every, american regardless o position or title is subject t the law and accountable to the law and every american also ha equal protection into du process, to former president trump has to be treated equally, and we will see what happens secondly, this is a really important points, politician do not indict people that is not how our system works. what happens is that granted

ureys indict people. and a grand jury is just lik any other jury, actually we get jury notices in the mail, we shot to jerry duty. a certain number of those folk get peeled away to serve o grande prairie the evidence is presented. and only the grandeur decide whether to pass an indictment. so this is not an electe official going after another elected official, that is no how our system works here. >> let me ask you just off the top of my, head as you are saying this, would republicans be as incensed as outraged i it were a democratic president who is facing possible indictment arrest and so on? >> i think you probably know the answer to that question, m senses no i have a lot of republica friends and i represent a lo of republicans i'm a bipartisan member of congress but this is not equal right. now the last couple of years have not been equal. in which party is willing to uphold the law due process. and respect our democracy.

there is a democracy challenge right now within the republica party which is not everybody i'm not painting a broad strok here but there are some folks who have really turned their bac on that, system and that process. and i am extremely concerned b comments like speaker mccarthy and others that this i politically. charged because it is. not this is a grand righ process and everyone has to be accountable and everyone i entitled to due process an equal protection and we have t let that system play out >> trump has called on protesters to take our natio back, quote. here that, does echo the english language he used in th run up to january? six are you worried when a protest potentially turnin violent like we all saw on tha fateful day? >> i am worried about it as you, or call members of congres travel to the house galler surrounded by that riotous mob not knowing whether when t make it. that don trump calls, on quote protests, the sum of the means that somebody doesn't respec

law enforcement and doesn' respect rule of law doesn' respect peaceful protests in our system he respects only raw power what's in his own self interest a call for violence to do so and there is no dog whistl here he is just calling for violence, in for people to get in a lo of trouble it's, wrong and it should be able to come together as a nation republican an democratic alike and, say it's wrong an we're getting on with. it >> speaker, mccarthy as you know called trump's arrest i that righteous abuse of powe he also said he is directing relevant committees trul investigate federal funds bein used to support our democracy. now, let's take a list of hous minority leader hakeem jeffrie told me in the last hour >> it is not clear to me wha committee the speaker may be referring to perhaps the so-calle weaponization committee. which is really more appropriately named. and the committee to protect

insurrections. and that is what we have see from the extreme mag republicans, as it relates t the a 118th congress >> whether it is the weaponization committee or the new subcommittee investigating the january six committee' probe, are republicans now setting some kind of a precedent that they are goin to investigate anything with the results that they do not want to accept >> well, let's say they se this precedent a long time ago the politics is really important to them but it is more importan than rule of law they said that precedent, bu now want it twice the dollar off the hook for impeachment proceedings. i was one of the impeachment miniatures in the firs impeachment proceeding several years ago. and overwhelmingly, they turne their back on that responsibility after january six, they were walking away from the januar six committee. and they need to actually have an investigation this is not now. this is a long-standin

pattern. there are a lot of folks who i think are trying to push bac on that, trying to create some space. in turn the page here, on ou democracy. and then move forward with hasse. we need more of them listen, i will say that. yes there are only folks who d not want to hear it from me but they want to hear i from republicans, conservative and others who have responsibility right now t step up and say, enough is enough nobody has seen this indictment nobody knows what they're goin to be indicted and if there is what is even the nets. any allegations of politic here are premature and our political in those themselves >> let us turn to ukraine righ now. this breaking news that puti made a surprise visit to the russian occupied mariupol. that is a city which was long symbol of ukrainian resistance his trip comes as th international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for war crimes when you make of this, visit and the itunes it appeared t

be sautéing. you think the same chance that he will be held accountable in this charges >> well, they're absolutel needs to be accountability war crimes that vladimir putin had a terrorist army i ukraine. are not even want to go into many of them the rape of women and children abduction of thousands o children things that are akin t historical abuses an atrocities targeting of civilia infrastructures. the international criminal court and dining, him saying they're gonna prosecute. absolutely right mood they have lent effort i the intelligence committee t open up the use of our intelligence resources to assist in this federal an international prosecutions which is the right move. i continue to push the administration to move rapidly to share that intelligence vladimir putin knows that he i losing, and he knows that hi military cannot come back to the ukrainian military so, he's trying to project

strength trying to show confidence. he's really a difficul position, we have to continu to support ukrainians. making sure they can fight, an when >> big day, today 20th and adversary the start of the ira war i know that you served i that war, with distinction as an army ranger. this, week a bill repealing th authorization for the use of military force is a majo hurdle, all but will be a fina vote in the senate this week how significant is this, repea given all that has happened? >> so significant we just need our nation's longest war, 20-year war that went far to long should have ended a long tim ago. my entire life changed i served with young men an women, many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice people that i knew they did no come home. that change the trajectory o my life. my current public servic started as a long paratrooper,

in washington i said having to base talking about matters o war and peace. so, these are very persona these debates have faces and names. thinking about these young men and women sitting there, havin these debates and committe room here's what i know i know that is way past time for the united states congress to take back its authority for every administration right. he has gone on for fou administrations. we cannot get a late check anymore in the united states congress asked to debate and decided be held accountable fo mothers of war and peace i that debate needs to happen in these to happen more openly. more regularly and more honestly. and we turn on this national conversation about the use o our military, means and what the inherent limitations o that meat. i think is really important to my fellow -- this message i've been sending regularly. don't confuse your individua service with those political debates. if our young men and women stand up and raise the right

hands, they do so with justice in mind, with honesty an integrity. that service is right in dressed and you should be prou of that politicians will debate t these things, because we hav to be proud of your, servic because i'm proud of it. >> it is a very strong statement a strong voice t bring to this conversation on that topic and all the. others thank you so, much so good to see you. it remains a mystery at this hour or what might happen in front of the new york gran jury, investigating donald trump. well, former trump attorne michael cohen joins, me with what he can tell us are more witnesses. we'll talk about things yo might have heard about before, plus you're gonna hear from stormy daniels what she said and how it is linked to what might happen in the nex few days especially at night? try vicks sinex for instant relief that lasts up to 12 hours. vicks sinex targets congestion at the source, relieving nasal congestion and sinus pressure by reducing swelling in the sinuses.

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statement that said, i'm not denying this affair because was paying hush money. i am denying it because it never happened that's a lie >> yes >> if it was untruthful, why did you sign it? >> they made something i had n choice >> was hush money to state silent >> yes. i turned down a large payday multiple times because one, did not want to kiss and tel and be labeled all the thing that are being labeled, now. >> that is stormy daniels in march 2018, her 2016 counter with donald trump is now bac to the spotlight and i hung grand jury prepared to deliver its decision and th hush money investigation but the man who pled guilty or two bestseller books since the payment of the $130,000 to daniels is joining me no michael, cohen welcome back. good to have you on the abou broadcast.

where did of the, gate let m tell, you if trump isn't is in this case would be a vindication for stormy daniels as well as for you >> that's a question have to ask a stormy, as far as fo myself something that you se the outside the courthouse, on 87th street, was that this was not a bad a vendetta this was not about revenge this was about donald trum being held accountable for his own 30 deeds plain and simple and i don't to se anybody that includes donald trump indicted, prosecutors an incarcerated because the fundamentally disagree with so much of what comes out of hi mouth. i want to see him held accountable for charges that h is guilty of >> you want to support the man

from the president >> correct >> okay. let me ask you what the proces because you've been through it being, rested being. both describe that, for us d you think will be the same for trump if he gets indicted? a he surrenders, but the way for teens being handcuffed i fingerprinted, place where usually there are no secre service agents, by the way you know very well how do you thin he will react to thi experiment >> that is a pretty bi question there, alex you are right, you get handcuffed and take you to a room in fingerprinted and swab for the end, i et cetera do yo think that donnell fingerprinted, saw swapped do i think will be handcuffed? no and in, fact, i do not want to see donald trump handcuffed no

so much because he doesn't deserve it because i respect the institution of the presidency >> michael, i get that you respect, that but you pain such a price and went to priso realty to this particula issue. you need to tell me that you'r not going to, say okay i've go what you deserve >> it is not about me, it' about american democracy this goes way beyond me. subligna right in the very las sentence, that's trumpism is fascism. and then we have to eradicated from our body politic. plain and simple and again, i do not want to se donald trump handcuffed, not because he doesn't deserve it, assuming of course that's th way the court finds it, bu more because it is a embarrassment to our country could you imagine both our allies and our adversaries, ho they could either enjoy this o

the spa is this as a direc result it is really that we a americans have to respect th institution of the presidency, and sadly enough, donald trump is presently nine states >> i know you are sentenced to three years 1.4, one point $ million in restitution befor being given another half million dollars. when you think about possibl indictments, which trump, face do worried all they could just walk away with a slap on the rest >> that is up for the giants and the jury to make the decision that is not to me i do know th documents and the facts. and certainly, the fact of the southern district of new yor your to prosecute me on th charges, what is interesting i that even more so th interesting charges, is what

everyone wants to talk about m credibility and so on. backfire on all of them. in, fact i paid for mcdougal a a sort of the charges. they have acknowledged tha they paid it i never paid him anything in m role was the ami nationa enquirer's where there and ask to review it by ensuring tha he was protected i get charged with, that david pecker gets immunity >> this whole case against m from the southern district o new york is four - and what i would really like t see is the outrage, the sikh outrage by republicans by, god they're going afte donald trump, this tic tac typ of violation first of, all the laws apply

to everyone whether you are a politician, the president, o jane or joe dough, it should make no difference at all. at the end of the, day you start to hear all of this fake outrage are republicans, where was the average when they were doing it to me they were silent and now they're freaking out because their supreme leader looks like he's going to hav some serious issues. they are supposed to be more concerned with america, at the democracy, then they are but jobs >> let me ask you a big picture, hear the trump deserves some measure of justice for thing he's done but would it be? better when we better for th country if it were related t january six, or the georgi election doesn't matter at all to, yo come to you might be charged with >> why are we separatin them out alex?

if this is the very first case it is brought before the recent, maybe the start to the limitations issue and alvi bragg being ready to bring the case, why does that then sto what should be next? let's say that is going to b the jack smith case, for the stolen top secret documents, o whatever else. the insurrection, and one does not negate out the other just because this case goe first, it does not mean that the others fall by its way sought it disappear. they are just next >> yeah, point well take there. let me ask you what stormy daniels, who you know met with prosecutors last wednesday i know michael you said that you are the last witness as that changed? do you think there is one? >> the never said that on th last witness i wouldn't believe that i said i think it might be the last witness, but i'm not sure. or

>> how does not discuss tha with me >> okay, i appreciate the clarification. the implication that you could be the last witness. to that end, do you expect another witness is there could be another witness there's been little ports abou that before this all wraps up >> this morning -- this morning, i did receive whole slew of phone calls from journalists, asking me if i' going to be back to the da's office tomorrow. as a rebuttal witness to whoever it is that they're bringing their tomorrow. whether it's before the gran jury or it's just to meet with them for interview i'm not sure but yes, i was asked to make myself available and to be a the da's office tomorrow as

rebuttal witness >> rebuttal to whom or for what? has that been clarified? >> no, i don't know who th person is. obviously, once they find ou who the person is, all kno what the issue is. i was personally involved. again, i don't know. it's a little premature for me to be answering any question on a topic that i don't know who the person is. and whether or not that person is or is not going to tell the truth. the nice thing is somethin that i've been talking about going back to my credibility every single thing that i have said so far has been first o all found to be accurate and truthful but more importantly corroborated by others as well as the existence of documentar evidence within which to prove the statements that were made. were in fact accurate an truthful >> let me ask you one last

question that being have you, michael spoken to stormi daniels at al since the money exchange at any point to talk about trump, to talk about our nda to talk about anything >> yes, so i did in fact, i spoke with a stormy at length on my podcast, mea culpa. there are two episodes there with her we've texted back and forth an i've spoken from time to tim just checking in she's a very nice person just to check into see how the other is doing and by text as well, every now and then i have spoken with her >> okay, i thank you for confirming that. it gives me a chance to answer a pete what i want to do anywa which is tell everyone you can hear more from michael on hi podcast, mea culpa he has written two excellent bestselling books. michael, thank you for joining me we will see more from you no doubt soon

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world insider over why the president chose to claim his arrest disseminate contradicting his ow spokesperson that they haven't hear anything from prosecutors. >> we don't know what's goin to happen. his own team has put out a statement that was contrary to what the former president said this morning saying that they hav informally been told anything.

but yes, i think the purpose was to get his supporters rile up i think that he wants to try and cause a scene and mayb he's thinking it is mind tha that will make the prosecutors change their mind on if they want to actually go through th stress and the issues that com with donald trump. >> joining me now is washingto post congressional resignation reporter, msnbc contributor, jacqueline alemany and forme federal prosecutor a political legal affairs columnist, renat mariotti welcome to you both, renato, were you listening to th conversation i had with michae cohen just now and if so, your thoughts on his statements and he's going to be a rebutta witness potentially tomorrow i the new york - the manhattan da's case? >> i think it's very interesting. and suggested maybe the lock somebody in as a witness who i not a person of th government's team. so to speak. a lot of times, you are puttin out witnesses before the grand jury that are essentially just

building your case occasionally, you'll put a witness in who somebody yo think it's gonna go south. you want to lock in thei testimony so you know thei story in advance let's say the bank robbers girlfriend, that sort of thing in this, case perhaps or somebody they're locking and who said something that wa helpful to the defense and the want to -- show the other side of the grand jury >> they do this so that they have an opportunity for michae cohen to rebut it. it will have to appear and rebut it you citizen to be down there o lease on standby if he needs t be called. >> very interesting. it's an unusual circumstance frankly. usually, because the defense i not there are before the grand jury asking questions, representing their side. this is not an issue but it sounds like perhaps the witness said something of think was inaccurate and the need to correct that and michael cohen's involved >> okay, we're going to see ho that all plays out let me ask you this, jacqui.

if trump is charged, how do yo think this impacts his chances of taking back the white house in 2024 and those comments calling for protests that he put out there. could that cause him some lega headaches? >> yeah, alex, we've already seen some of his lawyers try t whip up some of fearmongerin or at least perhaps what the think might deter authoritie from ultimately pursuing these charges or trying to make sort of the public case to the grand jury to vote against a indictment and they clearly believe or at least are trying to convince people to believe that if this comes down, this is only going to bolster the forme presidents case for presiden and whip up his support. that, i'm not sure is supporte by some of the polling tha we've recently seen which show trump losing his grip on wha has traditionally been his bas and the republican party wri

large. of course, we're not reall sure how this is going to play out until it does. we don't even know if an indictment is actually comin as the former president himsel was basing this off of no substantive information a his lawyer said yesterday. as for a potential legal churc that he could face in terms of calling for protests and actio from the public in response to a potential indictment that may or not be coming. we saw how that went down an played out for the forme president last summer around which is still yet to be resolved >> i'm curious, renato, you ar take on the various trum investigation timelines. how is all playing out many have said that had the du date - doj been quicker to investigat trump for january 6th, w could've avoided a situation like today were trump on a threat of indictment i essentially calling for th second insurrectio potentially. does this implicate merric

garland for being too cautious too slow in his approach >> i think it's a legitimate question we don't exactly what' happening behind the scenes. i will say, alex, jackson seem to have been very aggressive very quickly since these common a lot of people were concerned that he delay things i think it's been exactly th opposite there's been a lot of activity suddenly, mike pence is gettin hauled him to testify. attorney client privilege with trump's attorneys. all sorts of activities that w didn't really see during the first years the bide presidency i think it's a legitimat question i will say, from the perspective of prosecutors i have to think check smit wishes that his case - there are different units of government - >> run out, oh tell me why tha would make a difference. why do you think he wishes his case were going first? >> for a number reasons. for one thing, trump for example.

it's true that whatever trum says in the manhattan case could be used against him by findings and others. the bottom line is - potentially involving trump. he could have some success i manhattan case i think there's no question in my mind that the manhattan cas appears to be further than the other cases that from faces. i think in terms of the weight of a case coming against the former president, a case based on i would say the mar-a-lag documents which is a ver straightforward case to prove. or january six is a historical moment certainly, a much weight you'r pattern. i think -- the doj's frankly has way more resources just with a more capable team >> you heard michael cohen mak the case he's like look, it doesn't matter which one goes first. it doesn't matter criminal action that needs to b prosecuted

let them all come. right? >> i'll tell you something i spent many years prosecuting through the funny criminal cases. there is a game that's playe where the defense if you'r indicted in multiple jurisdictions, you try to dela that case and speed up the worst ones that's what happened with r. kelly, for example -- his worst-case going first that said, if you are convicte and all of them, we ar convicted. they were both convicted that may happen to donal trump. it's certainly an advantage fo the defense to have a weaker case go first. >> let me ask you, jackie, wha trump told his followers t take our nation back and that someone on social media posts yesterday. we have learned that several local and federal agencies they are planning big-time security measures in the event that he does get charged thi week if all of these precautions ar being planned. what do you know about the expectations what are some of the securit

and safety concerns? >> what we do know is that there has been plenty of advanced planning taking place right now. as nbc first reported last week and that even if the forme president were to be indicte that the measures and sort o the circumstance around such a impressive action as you'll be the first former president peyton diamond would it be unusual and different for him. that he would be held in a separate holding facility. more like a holding room rather, than a sell if he were indicted that he was unlikely t actually be arrested different things to make the process keep it more i suppose prestigious for trump to kin of cater to some of thes concerns and to also make the optics

little bit less political an potentially less what could be viewed as maybe inciting som of what trump has been calling for his supporters to whip up. new york city has in particula already done years worth of fantastic job of preparing for visits from trump as h traveled there not as often as mar-a-lago but here in bear throughout hi presidency all the federal intelligence agencies have -- or pulling out all the stops right now. >> there is a lot of the remains to be seen we will take a look at it with both of you. jacqueline, thank you so much. renato, u.s. well new stunning numbers abou tiktok as the coanmpy ceo head to washington this week.

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grill tiktok ceo of allegation that the app threatens nationa security and you today nbc news can exclusively repor tiktok now has 150 million active users in the u.s. that is according to the ceo from her testimony joining me now, nbc's alli raffa from wilmington delaware where the president spending his weekend. ali, welcome i know the white house wants t take its own action on tiktok. what are you hearing >> alex, this is probably th only issue you revel see president biden and former president trump agree on the safety and security of americans when it comes to tiktok so this week the bide ministration essentially sai to - the chinese owner of tiktok. sell your shares in tiktok o face a potential ban in th united states. this app, as you mentioned used by 150 million users in the u.s. has been banned fro federal government devices it's also been banned in som states this would outright ban the ap

in the whole united states o everyone's phones because of concerns that china may be surveilling americans so phone for they're using this app some lawmakers on capitol hill are saying this doesn't go far enough this isn't just a tiktok problem. i want you to listen to what senator elizabeth warren had t say about this >> here we are in the weight o roe v. wade being repealed texas putting a 10,000-dolla bounty on people who hel someone perform or get acces to an abortion what kind of information i being collected of peoples telephones and how is that informatio being sold to others this is a much bigger proble that congress needs to loo into calling this a tiktok proble by itself, i think reall misses the elephant in the roo here >> the chinese government is pushing back saying the u.s. doesn't have evidence of any

sort of surveillance o americans tiktok accounts. but regardless, this effort ha taken off. it's just unclear how this wil all and with tiktok and it owner, bytedance, alex >> tbd allie raffa, thank you so much from wilmington. new reaction of the sunday tal shows to the possible diamon of donald trump. big question remains how might people outside o washington respond susan del percio and heche brown at the ready to weigh in next like the upshaws. the nelsons. and the caggianos. run with us and start telling your story.

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republicans. >> that is what stephani grisham told me and showed m now is susan del percio, msnbc political analyst republican strategist and hayes brown columnist and editor from msnb daily. susan, do you think stephani grisham is right there when it comes to 2024, thi will serve as a reminder of al the baggage that trump carries it's the notion that it will help just coming from his team are they hoping against hope >> and indictment never help you win an election. full stop. that's the way it goes it may not hurt him with the base but the only thin actually could help him do i perhaps raise money for a lega defense fund probably said that way as far as getting votes, no at this, is just the way you spin something if you have nothin else to -- left >> what about hayes, capitol hill, lawmakers. you have republicans slammin the manhattan da democrats pushing the idea tha no one is above the law. talk about the psyche of the

country. do you have a sense of how people are gonna react t charges being brought agains the former president for the stormy daniels issues if i happens? >> i think one thing we learne during the impeachment is that it can be trouble -- trouble sometimes if you'r trying to take on donald trump in the narrative is to convoluted we saw that in the first official in ukraine. the stormi daniels case, it is certainly because on one level it's just hush money he paid money through hi company and lied about it an that is relatively easy to explain. on the other hand, i feel like it's going to be sort of a tough sell i know that the prosecutors from new york are now to think abou this it's another job for politicians trying to spin this, they have to think through how will peopl understand this messaging. republican senate relatively easy political persecution, democrats are going to - say the rule of law matters. it's gonna come down to is d

the charges stick and does and acquittal actually make it harder to move forward against other -- making other charges against trump in the future? >> do you think, haze, to that point, the country would act differently if this was the 16 indictment or the georgi election question. those seem substantively lik -- >> they are different. one of the things i've bee hearing and reading about from actual experts in the law from prosecutors. this is a relatively tough cas to make. especially when it can pinch january six where there' scores of evidence or th mar-a-lago classified document case which shut. i think this one is sort of lo hanging fruit but hard t prove. it's a nursing case. it will be really fascinated t see if and how this plays out. some of us actually know if an indictment is coming down in the near future. >> i'm curious what you thin the response will be, susan, both hourly the northeas corridor of the chattering classes and the more broadly across the country >> i think at the end of the

day people are gonna look at this case just go to your firs question i think the other two would be much bigger cases and we still may have indictments on in georgia or by the federa government before this case in new york if it happens takes place. when it comes to the new yor case, here is the thing people are gonna say. a guy who normally paid hush money because it doesn't weigh -- we don't want to swipe to know we suffer the porn star. it happened in 2016 two or three elections ago. why is it being brought up now it seems like such old news. that's not to say it's not a valid claim. it's not to say that the manhattan district attorney' not doing the right thing. it just seems like really, thi is what you've got you didn't have anything else? you're going with this >> give me a quick thought o this, susan, trump as you know some support from across the republican party that includes some of hi

political rival. some potential 2024 challenger at this point. do we know if this is what the truly believe or if they'r just kind of treading lightl because they don't want to alienate some constituents tell me quickly. >> it's a good thing for the to do because it's a way of no going after trump. going with the deep state an basically playing to the trump base >> that was quick. thank you for that as you know, you get to my hea and be like gotta go i -- think you guys, good to see yo both that is gonna do it for me o this edition of alex wit reports. all see you again next saturda from new york at noon eastern. my friend richard louis is i for yasmin next. when a cold comes on strong, knock it out with vicks dayquil severe. just one dose starts to relieve 9 of your worst cold and flu symptoms. to help take you from 9 to none. power through with vicks dayquil severe. a man, his family, and his tractor, penny.

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