>> welcome back, i am richar lui in for yasmin vossoughia on this sunday two major breaking stories t tell you about we are followin at the moment. this was government an announcing just moments ago deal to say failing credit suisse bank, a last-minute dea just ahead of the opening of the markets there in europe. plus former trump fixer michae cohen revealing exclusively to msnbc a short time ago as well that he will be back before th grand jury as a rebuttal witness and nbc news now confirming who he will b rebooting, a critic of his named robert castella. a war of words over a potentia trump indictment in th

manhattan da's investigation >> no one is above the law that is the defining principle of the republic and has been the case for 247 years >> it's another example of two tier system. >> it's outrageous, and ther is no too low i can't reach. every time you think he ha bottomed out, he goes even further. >> i think he's building a lot of sympathy for the former president. i think the fact i was wit coffee this morning with folks none of them were big trum supporters and they all said, they felt like he was being attacked >> also this hour, we are just hours away from a meeting that has the u.s. and the world o edge russian president vladimi putin and his chines counterpart, xi jinping, later this hour i will talk to congressman seth moulton about the threat of unified russia and china. as another state targets the abortion pill, we will look at what may be the next big hop for abortion rights advocate in ohio.

more on that ahead, but we wil start with breaking news tha attorney robert costello i expected to appear before th grand jury tomorrow at the request of trump attorneys michael cohen will also be there as a rebuttal witness fo the manhattan da, as he just told msnbc nbc's grumbach is in west palm beach near mar-a-lago. another development in thi breaking story what are you seeing? >> robert costello was not a household name by any means. he was the legal advisor for michael cohen, formerly. he is a lawyer himself he's also been representin rudy giuliani, steve bannon in the past he's very much in trump world. he knows trump world he knows how it works, he know how it operates and he's going to be in a position tomorrow when he appears before tha grand jury to discredit michae cohen, that's what he will b doing. he's been brought by the trump attorneys, we are told apparently the trump attorneys asked alvin bragg to bring costello, alvin bragg must hav

said yes, and costello is no coming in. cohen made news on last hour with alex smith was that he is going to be rebutting what costello said. there is a significant process here here's what cohen had to say t alex earlier this afternoon. >> i did receive a whole sle of phone calls from journalist asking me if i'm going to be back to the da's offic tomorrow as a rebuttal witness to whoever it is that they ar bringing their tomorrow, weather before the grand jur or just to meet with them fo an interview again, i'm not sure but, yes, was asked to make myself available and to be at the da' office tomorrow as a rebutta witness. >> talking about the process here in terms of what thes grand jurors have to do before

they even get the indictment they have to find reasonable cause that trump committed a felony, to get that indictment that they have to have 1 jurors in the room deliberatin that fact. then they have to have 1 people say, yes, they believ he committed a felony to get that indictment and handed ove to alvin bragg, the da alvin bragg within finalize it and it officially becomes an unsealed indictment at tha point. we have a long way to go here. whether tuesday is in fact o the day, richer. >> gary grumbach thank you s much with the latest reporting there in florida appreciate that, let's not bring in prosecutor former justice department prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann, andrew if you could just broaden out tha discussion of what is -- what we think will be happenin tomorrow we have two more pieces of information within the las hour or two. robert costello, michael cohen appearing tomorrow what is the timeline we ar expecting to see, roughly?

>> sure. if the reporting is correct, this really is something tha is relatively unique to ne york law, which is tha somebody who is the target of grand jury investigation has the right to ask the distric attorney to present certai exculpatory evidence to th grand jurors that can be in the form of a witness. what it appears is that, although donald trump wa invited to go into the granary himself and said no, sorry, i' in new york, there is a lot of background noise >> no problem. i am as well >> that witness appears to b robert costello. we don't know if he will i fact testify we also don't know if he wil be sort of the exculpatory

witness. if he in fact goes into th granary and provides exculpatory evidence we have now heard from michael cohen that he is available t potentially rebut that it is very unusual to have thi procedure. i do think that this may b something that slows down th ultimate presentation to the grand jury but, ultimately, as was just noted, the grand jurors only have to find probable caus with respect to any potentia crime. they can obviously weigh the credibility of michael cohen and any exculpatory evidence i there is any from mr. castella they will weigh that in an decide whether there i probable cause all of that, by the way, can happen very quickly, whether i can be all done tomorrow, we will have to wait and see. if it is not tomorrow, it also could be wednesday, apparently this grand jury sits two days weekon mondays and wednesdays. so i do think it is a strong

likelihood but obviously not a guarantee that we will see something this week, either on monday or wednesday. >> quickly, clarifying and thi witness from the trump cam will be in front of the gran jury, is that correct? >> yes it appears that the da has agreed to the request by the defense. it is not clear that the witness, mr. costello, i agreeing to testify but he wil be under oath and will b voluntary, meaning he is not being immunized in anyway. he has to assess whether he is willing to testify under oath, obviously that means there i the penalty of perjury if he were to say something that was not true it remains to be seen whethe in fact he will go in an testify under oath by all accounts, that appear to be what is going to happen. it is notable, however, that

donald trump, while his team i asking this witness to go into testify, donald trump himsel refused and declined to go in. he is really getting a surrogate to go in and say something that presumably will be derogatory with respect t mr. cohen and his credibility. >> what do you know of this mr costello the new york times reporting that the relationship betwee cohen and as well as donal trump and costello is no necessarily one that is new. they have known each other for quite some time, even at one point costello and cohen wer discussing attorney-client privilege. >> yeah. that is the thing that is quit interesting. it's not clear whether mr. costello and mr. cohen actuall formed an attorney clien relationship, in other words that mr. costello wa representing mr. cohen, or vic versa.

they are both lawyers. it's not clear they had an attorney client relationship even if they did, mr. cohe could waive that privilege there is some reason to thin that he has done that. mr. costello could be talkin about statements that were mad to mr. costello by mr. cohen that could happen. it is also, as noted, the case that mr. costello seems to hav close ties to rudy giuliani, steve bannon, and to the forme president himself. and, so he is aligned with people on the defense side i this matter. it is still very much an ope question as to what it is that donald trump and his tea thinks that mr. costello can say that would avoid a grand jury finding probable cause. it's a relatively low standard but, again, maybe there is som

information that is strong tha would give people second thoughts about whether t believe mr. cohen, and maybe it's worth reporting that mr cohen, even if you disbelieved him, there seems to be so much other evidence about the so-called hush money payment that mr. cohen has been very corroborated there is independent evidence, even if you put to the sid what mr. cohen is saying about this it's also the case tha somebody may have said something that is not true i the past and it doesn't mean they are lying about everything all of that is something tha will be explained to the grand jurors they will make an assessment about whether the proo presented by the da meets th standard of probable cause which, again, is much lowe than the preponderance of th evidence this is not a terribly hig standard people should remember, it's also very different if there i an indictment in the ultimat

trial jury they will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that th defendant charged is guilty. that's a long ways away. >> what you are saying is this indictment process by the gran jury, going back to the ha sandwich analogy, cohen mayb the meat of the sandwich there's a lot of other ingredients that will get them the indictment >> perfect analogy >> it is lunchtime across th country in many places after all. let's talk about misdemeanor versus felony on this. where are we on it >> sure. this is another quirk of new york law there is a crime which i making a false business record it can be charged as a felony, and it can be charged as a misdemeanor, and it can be charged as both. in order to have it be a felon versus a misdemeanor, th felony charge of making a fals

a business record requires the crime of making a false business record to be furthe -- to cover up some other crime what people are waiting to see if there are charges here, and if the attorney -- sorry, the district attorney i going to go forward with a felony charge, what is tha other crime? is it going to be some form of campaign fraud is it going to be some tax offense? what is it that's going to elevate a false business recor crime from just a misdemeano to a felony? it's worth noting, however that whether it's a misdemeano or a felony for false business records, this is a crime tha the da's office does charge. in other words, this isn't something that is rarely prosecuted that video is sor of trying to bear out in order to just bring a case against the president no matter what this is something that, lookin

through recent history, th da's office would not be unusual at all to see that typ of charge, the misdemeanor and a felony, -- that is one more reason to think that is something that w are contemplating here >> andrew weissmann, a perfect person for all that's been happening the last two hours appreciate your time >> than you very much. >> all right, much more on thi breaking news coming up. michael cohen as well as mr. costello coming up for you also major breaking news, story that ubs will be takin over credit suisse bank. we will have more on that. and in a matter of hours russia's vladimir putin an china's xi jinping will meet for the first time since kremlin troops invaded ukraine we will get into that. democratic congressman set moulton will join us to talk growing concerns over the tw leaders relationship and wha that could mean for us a family of long island brewers. harvests their own ingredients, on their own turf.

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breaking news on msnbc on th global economy squeeze bank ubs just agreeing with in the last hour, according to what we are hearing from swiss authorities to buy its rival credit suisse for two billion dollars. a major shake up for the globa banking system, a big major -- credit suisse valued as high a eight billion dollars when markets closed friday. it was going, as they sold, at 25% of its value that position was facilitate by the swiss government as

intended to stabilize what's been a chaotic few weeks acros the banking sector take a listen to this. >> the federal - confident that in this difficult situation, but takeover of credit suisse by ubs is the best illusion for restoring the confidence tha has been lacking in financia markets recently and for bes managing the risk to our country and its citizens thank you very much. >> joining us now, caleb silver, editor-in-chief of investigative media. this happens on weekends typically. we've seen it with other ranks before in 08 we also saw that a lot of action in terms o bank officials getting togethe with their central banks o feds, then trying to come ou with a solution. this happening local time like eight, 9 pm there in switzerland. tell us about the timing and what you think, in terms of th markets now, that might reac to this? >> we know regulators wanted t get this deal done before asia

markets opened for trading that is just in a couple o hours. the futures market is openin for u.s. trading here at 6 pm. they wanted to get the dea done to let investors an markets that just at this news we all saw it coming but it's more than just a take over a two billion dolla takeover the swiss national ban guaranteeing up to 100 billion dollars in losses supporting the deal with 108 billio dollars. just in case there is an losses, it's going to make the depositors hole. we've heard that now i switzerland, we heard that i the united states last wee with silicon valley bank signature bank as well regulators are not bailing any banks that but they ar providing a massive safety net under the banking industry t prevent the spread of th contagion. >> what are you expecting in the u.s. in response to this now? >> we want to make sure ther are no other banks on the brin of failure or that may b vulnerable right now we know that regulators, including the treasury department, the federal reserve, and the fdic, they wil guarantee depositors and

facilitate any interaction between banks and that might have to get saved right now or might need - last week several banks, 11 of them, giving first republi bank 30 billion dollars to mak sure that it stays afloat. we may see more of that coming up in the next week because th financial system, particularly the banks, do not want to se other banks fail >> what do you make of gar cohen, former director of th national economic council, saying on sunday, today, we've got a lot more mid sized banks that are ready to go the way o svb and signature bank >> a lot of banks balanc sheets are in bad shape righ now. why? because of raising interes rates over the last year the fed started hiking rates over a year ago. they are scheduled to meet thi week, probably - heard these banks balanc sheets because they invest a lot of customer and deposits i government bonds and mortgag backed securities. we know what happened to those last year. the value fell precipitously that's why banks balance sheet

don't look at it all right now plus customers are tryin to get the money out of th bank because they are dealin in large part with having to meet payroll and other obligations. that's at, it is clear other big banks and the government does not want to see any banks fail, large or small, righ now. >> more to come, unfortunately kayla savior from investopedia editor in chief. thank you so much for bein here up next for you, tensions rise ahead of tomorrow's betwee russian vladimir putin and russia - fighting among themselves over how vital the united state interests should be in the ukraine war. democratic congressman and arm services committee member seth moulton joins us right after the break with his reaction. what's the big deal? gasp! what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? ♪marching band music♪ ♪marching band music♪ i'll get a cart.

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ahead of this meeting. let's go right into this wit nbc's allie raffa from wilmington, delaware, with the president. ali, one of the points tha were - according to nbc news, is th white house is considering maybe taking a softer tone wit china that might work ou better during this time as the two leaders to meet and we'r talking about china and, again russia >> yeah, richard you are sort of seeing escalations intentions with th u.s. and russia, escalate as you are seeing tensions with the u.s. and china als escalate as we wait for this three-da long series of meetings, monda through wednesday, between president putin and presiden xi, u.s. officials are sort of offering a rebuttal to that. we heard national security - john kirby come out on frida and talk about what to expec and talk about this sort o lens of skepticism the unite states continues to view thi peacemaker role that china i

attempting to take on remember we saw china hosted those peac talks between iran and saudi arabia now they are puttin themselves in the middle o this supposed peace plan between ukraine and russia kirby saying any sort of cease-fire that is expected to come out of that peace pla would not be recognized by the u.s., unless ukraine ends this war with the same amount o land it started with essentially saying any sort of cease-fire right now would loc in any land gains by russia. therefore, it would be a nonstarter from the u.s. perspective. kirby also said that if chin is sincere in its goals fo peace here that it should also give ukraine and president zelenskyy the same amount of time and attention and effor for coordination that it i giving russia and presiden putin. we do know that presiden zelenskyy has said he's open t having a call or meeting wit president xi we know the ukrainian, top ukrainian in chinese officials have spoken.

so far, there is still nothing known have as far as a meeting or a call between presiden zelenskyy and president xi all this coming as tension between russia, china, and the u.s. escalate. the u.s., you can be sure, i having - taking a very close look a these meetings we are closely monitoring what comes out of them. >> nbc's allie raffa, thank yo so much for that reporting let's bring into the conversation congressman set moulton, democrat of massachusetts. thanks for being with us representative let's start with that first. why is we xi, or mor importantly, why is putin now, for the first time, going to ukraine? what do you think that i saying about his sense of ho strong his cases right now i what he is doing >> putin is grasping at straws here and trying to win thi war. he is a war criminal now officially sanctioned by the international criminal court he cannot travel to many countries around the world

because he will be arrested. but he can go visit some of th occupied territories he' illegally taking in ukraine. he's taking the opportunity to do that. it follows biden's visit t kyiv biden made the bold first move here >> and then now xi traveling t also meet with putin as i was saying earlier, i there is a themati relationship to china, russia, and the united states, those two are on the move. why now? what do you make of xi makin this visit >> obviously, putin has been asking for arms and suppor financial support, economi support, and military suppor for his failed war he is turning to china it's xi looking around the world and seeing that ther aren't too many other nation that are aligned with thes autocracies. his threats against taiwan o the same, the same playboo russia and putin are using against ukraine.

he sees some alliance there. is this dangerous for the u.s. i think it is the big question the reality is that, as long a xi jinping it is alignin himself with autocrats dictators, and war criminals he is not being the kind o international leader he aspire to be. china says they are going to b the next superpowers t supplant the united states i don't think that is true but if he wants to be, he's go to start acting like a responsible world leader a responsible world leader doe not support a war criminal illegal war. >> i wouldn't mention this earlier with allie, nbc news reporting that they ar thinking out of the white hous potentially they should seek a softer tone on china ahead o this putin and xi meeting, because u.s. officials are concerned that if you have sharper rhetoric towards china it could backfire by pushing xi, if you will, into a corner he does feel compelled to then send lethal aid to russia. what's your reaction to that

>> i think that xi jinping has made it very clear he's goin to do what he wants to do. i mean, he announced to th world by speaking to the communist, the chinese communist party that he intend to invade taiwan i don't think our rhetoric i going to ultimately influenc his behavior what i think has worked very well is the bide administration calling out china and saying they ar thinking of supplying weapon to russia. that was a well planne intelligence dump on our par to expose what is going on behind the scenes in china so far, the effect has been to make the chinese pause, to hol back, to not actually be s willing to support the russians the biden administration's handling very well the way they are doing this is by exposing what is going on i china. >> how concerned is the beltwa about this meeting >> i think there is concer because we don't want to see t

adversaries of the unite states united. the reality is that there are lot of pressures on russia and china. they see a natural alliance. but there are a lot of problem with him getting together as well ultimately, to world leaders talking is something that we are not going to stop. we have to talk with our allies, our adversaries as well. the point is that, yes, ther is concern, but we are not losing sleep over it >> the majority, typically, as you know, historically, this i a bipartisan issue when it comes to international scary when we focus in on the othe side of the aisle, looking a the republicans regarding this war in ukraine, florid governor ron desantis callin the war in ukraine a territorial dispute. as you've probably heard, he's getting a little bit of friendly fire from new hampshire's republican governo and others saying, nin

specifically, the russia invasion of ukraine is not a territorial -- it must be condemned he's not the only republican saying as such what do you make of -- a party and i know this seem like why are you bringing this up again, richard, within party that typically was lea when it came to national security, if you will, b stereotype >> here is the reality behind the scenes, enclosed, classified briefings, all th republicans, all the serious republicans, that is, ar united on support for ukraine. you have, of course, outlier like marjorie taylor greene an donald trump, the tucker carlson wing of the party that seems to be talking right ou of the kremlin's mouthpiece. but serious republicans are al united on ukraine behind the scenes ron desantis's governor of florida, of course he is not getting thos classified briefings he doesn't fully understan

what's going on and what the threat really is but he is also making a clea with his statement that he i taking sides within the public stance of the republican party he is aligning himself wit marjorie taylor greene, with donald trump, the people who would rather support russia. interestingly, his peace pla that he lays out, calling this a mere territorial dispute i essentially very aligned wit what is coming out of beijing. they are saying, oh, they're fake peace plan is stop the wa right now, seek peace. essentially, except all th territory that russia ha already taken illegally from ukraine. ron desantis, with his statement, is not only alignin himself with extremists in his own party, but with all th republicans are saying behin the scenes, but he is also aligning himself with beijing. i don't think that is a smar place for ron desantis to be >> does not appear to be, so a least from a look at the republican party, within the party criticism. i want to look at the othe

reviews of the weekend surrounding former president trump right here in new york city, the manhattan da, th country's top electe republican as you've heard, he want congress to get involved i this here is how house speaker an mccarthy and what he said, quote, - i'm directing relevant committees - being used to subvert ou democracy by interfering i elections with politically motivated prosecutions it seems like he is taking cue from marjorie taylor greene, who made similar calls befor heated what happens if they get their way here how might that happen? what should democrats do >> i don't think they will get their way here this is another example of kevin mccarthy playing t marjorie taylor greene, bein subservient to her views that's how he got electe speaker. that, of course, is the risk o having a speaker like this who is so beholden to an extreme wing of his party. this is not a surprise

it's not a surprise coming fro kevin mccarthy but is congress, especiall with the democratic senate going to go along with this? no, i'm not worried about that >> before we go, i want to tal about congress's authorization of military force in iraq, a we remember the 20th anniversary of the beginning o this start of the war. a u.s. veteran as well as marine, i want to go to th boston globe for a second here they were talking about th legacy of someone who served there. here is some of what you tol them what i think is most tragi about the iraq war is th massive missed opportunity we had as a country to d something great when we had th entire world behind us after september 11th instead, we used all tha political capital, all tha international military t invade a country it was a massive failure o leadership what's your reflection on this day? >> september 11th was one of the most tragic days i american history and yet, september 12 was on of the days of our greates

opportunity we had the entir world behind us and the entire country united together. there was so many amazin things that we could've done i that moment instead, we used all that energy, all tha international will to just g invade a country that ha nothing to do with 9/11 from the get-go look, at the future of iraq ha yet to be determined if iraq is a thriving democrac 20 years from now, we may look back and say the efforts of th veterans like myself was worth it the reality is this decision t invade, george bush's decision to use all that energy to just go invade iraq was not only mistake, it was a huge misse opportunity for america. >> congressman seth moulton, w really appreciate you bein here >> good to see you >> coming, up an inside look a the newest battleground over abortion i will talk to one of the ohio doctors fighting for legislation to protect reproductive rights.

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>> joining us now, dr. laure beene, ohio physicians for reproductive rights. doctor, thank you for bein here if mifepristone is banned, wha happens? >> i think that is a great question that's going to be a terribl situation for the women of wyoming, a terrible preceden for the country and this issue itself really highlights the need for citizens to kee direct action to protect their rights to reproductive freedom in their states. as we are doing in ohio. so this issue, the many issues we've been hearing about, just highlight how quickly we nee to be working to protect our rights >> speaking of which, there is an amendment on the ballot i november working togethe signatures to get that there that would enshrine abortion rights in the states constitution there is an ad campaign, $

million worth, that has been launched to defeat that effort including this tv at i want to play it now. >> your daughter's young vulnerable, online you fear the worst first to change her sex or t get an abortion. under the proposed amendment t the ohio constitution, the state shall not interfere with individuals and gettin abortions or sex changes meaning you could be cut out o the biggest decision of he life >> your groups leading the effort for the amendment how does that amendment -- how does it actually reference gender transitioning as well but is the danger of ads lik this in response to your effort? >> great question. so that ad it is a direc attack on the amendment that w are working on and is actually entirely false the antiabortion lobby knows that lobbying just against

access to abortion is not winning issue for them and they are making these ad that are false, are overt lies that they think will ril people have. they did the same thing in michigan we - they were not successful i michigan they tried to make their amendment about -- make it seem like it was covering issues it actually di not addressed. it was not successful there, a overwhelmingly the people vote in support of it but our amendment actually doe not address any issues relatin to gender care it also doesn't change any law relating to consent. those are overt lies by th antichoice lobby >> what are female patient telling you? >> my female patients are very worried. they are scared. i mergener all pediatrician. a lot of what i hear is from others mothers are afraid their daughters are growing up in

states where they might no have control over their bodily autonomy, they might not b able to make choices that ar critical for their future. they might not be able t access medical care and that i essential, necessary, an life-saving. so women are scared. >> doctor lauren beene, than you. i appreciate your time today >> thank you so much >> you got it. after the break, the new announcement of michael cohen' former legal adviser appearing before the new york grand jury tomorrow be an effort to undermine the credibility of cohen himself? that lessen the impact of potential indictment on former president trump's 2024 race. that's ahead >> hey, there. i'm ayman mohyeldin. tonight at nine eastern on ayman, i will speak with congresswoman zoloft, runnin for member of the january 6t elect committee about donald trump ends expectations that h will be arrested that is tonight, nine eastern, right here on msnbc. iness, you can make it even smarter.

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back former trump fixer michae cohen reporting major ne developments to our own alex witt earlier today, involvin the new york hush money case this is what he told her, in part >> i did receive a whole sle of phone calls from journalist asking me if i'm going to be back to the da's offic tomorrow as a rebuttal witness to whoever it is they are bringin their tomorrow, weather before the grand jury, or just to mee with them for an interview again, i'm not sure. yes, i was asked to make mysel available and to be at the da' office tomorrow, as a rebuttal witness. >> let's go to senio washington editor for nbc news digital ginger gibson, great t see. we have confirmed at and messy news as you know so well, th grand jury is expected to hear

from former michael cohe attorney robert costello, wh may attempt to undermine the credibility of cohen in this grand jury process and the indictment and what th manhattan da's doing talk about what we are learnin just within the last three hours, the rebuttal witness is what cohen was just telling, u and then robert costello als added into the discussio tomorrow >> and that's. write this case is a very live in front of the grand jury as you said, it is evolving, even here on a sunday. the new york times reporte first that bob castella, a attorney who had worked with michael cohen, was going to be brought before the grand jur on monday. we have kinder that, that he will be there. as cohen said himself, he will be available to be a witness that means they think he could contradict or so summed ou into the minds of the gran jury it is important to remembe that grandeur aegis not have t

meet events beyond a reasonabl doubt. there could be doubt in th mind of the grand jury and the still vote to indict someone but we also know that thes cases can be very difficult, and what we are seeing is th likelihood that the prosecutor in manhattan does not want t leave any holes in the minds o the jurors whenever he finally does ask them to take that >> let's go to where we are at in the beltway, in washington, d.c., so much we can tal about. let's go directly to kevin mccarthy, the republican speaker of the house who jus tweeted again, reaffirming the will investigate, he's going t investigate from his side, a speaker of the house officially into what the manhattan da's doing with this case of hush money what can he do are we expecting potentially even the storyline, that he ma ask, demand, subpoena th manhattan da, alvin bragg, t come on down, to investigate what he is doing on a stat level? >> there is only so much tha can be done.

but it has been clear, i you've been reading trump' truth social or following kevi mccarthy or some of trump' other allies in congress, they need to feel like they need to say they are doing something could they subpoena alvin bragg? absolutely it would be unprecedented, prosecutors talking about case that is still ongoing absolutely we would not have seen thi before this would be a very uniqu circumstance i suspect they are making a lo of noise, they are trying to show their base that they ar with trump, trying to prov they can do the only thing the can do, which is investigate it would be a very difficult investigation. and one that would have troubl turning up any thing more than the evidence that bragg ha presented to a grand jury at this point, which, because o the way granaries work probably would not be to favorable to donald trump. >> as you know so well, th trump republicans are certainl whispering into -- whispers the wrong word,

yelling into kevin mccarthy' ear. he is tweeting what they are saying let's turn to what the impac of a potential indictment ma have on the 2024 race. because that's also part o what we are seeing on the road where you've been reporting on trump and his closes supporters, they definitel seem to think any action by th manhattan da - it helps them either way that's potentially why he, again, which he does very well is trying to lead the narrativ on this again. what they are saying, he winds either way on that as well what are you seeing? >> we saw this call from donal trump on saturday for hi supporters to take to th streets and protest. that is really an effort to ge them riled up, get the excited. look, i don't think most peopl think, including those i trump's camp, that him being indicted is going to mak anybody sitting at hom thinking, i was not going to vote for donald trump, but now they are going to vote for donald trump it's not going to win him an

of those votes what it could do is people who were likely to vote for donald trump, it might harden them or make them less likely to be wo over by someone like mike penc or nikki haley that is what trump folks nee to happen, a hardening of hi base, and enthusiasm, people who think that there is -- trump likes to be the victim this is a place where he can say that >> nbc's ginger gibson, than you, gender. still ahead for, you a loo into the new documentary tha explores the role of the criminal legal system an seeking justice for sexual assault victims. >> we all have this imaginatio and that it will get at th powerful, privileged crimina offenders. criminal law does not equalize the world. criminal law does the opposite criminalaw l exacerbates inequality

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re-frame >> the judge in this case ha the legal right to make th decision that he made. i think it was the wrong decision, but the law allowe him to make that decision. what if that judges deciding whether these abortion regulations are lawful the judges in a place where lot of people don't like abortion you want the judge to say, i'm living in kansas, and so i kno what people here think i'm going to do what they want you want the judge to follow the law. >> watch the recall refram tonight at 10 pm eastern o msnbc. streaming as well on peacock that wraps it up for me this hour i'm richard louis in for yasmi vossoughian. she will be back - 2 pm eastern symone starts right now.