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president donald trump still can push politics to the edge. last night, trump happil mingled with maga supporters a a wrestling match and oklahoma just hours after dropping bombshell announcement, th former president claiming on his truth social platform, h would be arrested on tuesday although he offered no proof that charges were eminent just like on january 6th trum called for protest without specifying whether the the should be violent or non violent. manhattan da alvin bragg sending out an internal memo t the staff and his office assuring them they will be safe trump's response, another angr post calling him a racist an once again the most prominence and influential republicans ar

rallying behind trump no matte what havoc he wreaks, speake of the house kevin mccarth calling the case against the former president and outrageou abuse of power by a radical da if this is all just another da at the office for the gop. joining me now, congressma gregory meeks, democrat of new york congressman nix, thank you for joining us >> thank you for having me rev. >> we mentioned the statemen in the intro i want to read you a bit of. it alvin bragg wrote this to his staff. quote, we do not tolerat attempts to intimidate our office or threaten the rule of law in new york, and quote trump is calling him a tool of the radical left he just saw the speaker of the house ecru that claim.

trump has assaulted th attorney general new york on her a -- you and i both are old enoug to remember when he attacked a judge whose ruling he didn't like because that judge was mexican dissent. yet, republicans who claim t be concerned about crime, do nothing as trump denigrate people who enforce the law especially when those public servants are people of color i've been on the receiving end of trump's reverse racis attacks myself, congressman, what are your thoughts on thes tactics by the former president? >> you are absolutely right. number, one he is one of the most destructive individuals who tries to divide this country. it comes on the heels of his presidency and his court where he completely wants to mak sure he separates and brings out the hate in the country. he gave the signal to the whit

extremists on january 6th. we see this tweet he's putting out now are very similar t those same tweets trying to ge people riled up in the streets trying to but as distric attorney has indicated the will not be intimidated by his rules, they will not change th rules of the law because he is a former president of th united states. no one is above the law. if in fact he's indicted, he will be prosecuted as anyone else would here is the most divisive ma in america and i say that we better watch these extreme maga republicans including those in the unite states congress and thei actions moving forward >> now, someone said to me well, reverend, they saw m

last night saying he shoul specifically call for th protesters that he would wan to stand for him to be peacefu are nonviolent i do that in protest and they say, well, he is no required one would think, congressman that if you were president lee under investigation by the fed for inciting violence and that your former vice president sai you had threatened his life an the life of his family, yo would go out of your lightweight to be clear that's not what you're doing. now just a little free advic to the former president. talking about mike pence, he has been a little bolder latel in criticizing his old boss fo endangering his life, as i said on january six. listen to what pence had to sa this morning about trump's latest statements. >> it just feels like politically-charged prosecutio

here and, for my part, it just feels like it's not what the american people want to see. >> i believe that people understand that if they give voice to this, if it occurs on tuesday, that they need to d so peacefully and in a lawfu manner >> now, i applaud the former vice president pence for being clear in his call for peaceful protest, maybe because - his family was endangered -- donald trump help to call an instigate my opinion many republicans have not been nearly as vocal on this point. however, pence knows bette than anyone the tactics that trump uses to rile up his base and your opinion, an congressman, does he need to say more, mister pence >> absolutely. i, mean it is clear that the people - we need to come and testify,

number one and i think as we do the investigations and continu with january six, he should no hide behind anything in that regard not revealing the conversation he had with the president at that particular time you can't hide by executiv privilege. he needs to say what he knows, as a result we have january si where we saw extreme mag republicans attacked the capitol with more than 150 police officers. they lost their lives. and they continue to grapple with the repercussions of that he needs to say everything tha he notes he needs to cooperat himself with every - investigation going on to think of donald trump, th snow is that he's making now, just think back to the campaig against hillary clinton, whe they were all yelling an talking about luck somebody out, when there's nothing there

she stood there and went through it all never called for demonstration in the street or anything else just loud. she participated in ever single legal process there was testified before the house foreign affairs committee fo hours. for eight or nine hours. here we have an individual who does absolutely nothing but tr to get his maga republican together to divide thi country. it's not the way we should b moving forward >> congressman, you are on the financial services committee i want to get your take on the recent bag failures we've been seeing, many black entrepreneurs have bee lamenting the demise of silico valley bank. which had strong ties to the black business community i areas such as atlanta. it's especially concerning because many of your colleague in the republican party seemed

determined to blame the bank's problems on diversity. how do we stabilize th financial sector, withou making it even harder to run a business while black >> we need to look for the longer term. we need to look at the stres test the regime. i voted against the rollback o stress testing that took place in 2018. the 50 billion dollars for banks is too big we want to make sure we protec our community banks and ou historically black banks community developmen institutions we want to make sure we protec them we need to look at that an look at higher level o insurance other than to unde $50, 000, particularly for som of our businesses. that is something we need to look at. i would make sure we know ho

we get paid for -- i think the president did th right thing immediately, t ensure all or wear depositor at both of these silicon valle bank and signature bank woul have access to their funds and established leadin institutions it is important for blac entrepreneurs to make sure their revenues are protected we know, historically, it' been hard for black businesses to access funding. if a.b. was a major player i that ecosystem we've got to make sure we do all of that, including thi week providing service committee with - the federal government has the tools to manage emergencies. -- depositors are even safe wit their bank fails, and that's what we have to make, sure the are safe, their deposits are

safe even if the bank fails. >> all right thank you for joining us a always congress men greg meeks joining me now is nbc news reporter ben collins ben, first of all, thanks fo joining us i want to add to talk to you today especially because when read trump's messages on truth social this weekend, it made m think of this moment from th 2020 debates take a look. >> i am willing to do anything i want to see peace. >> then do it, sir do it, say it. >> what do you want to cal them give me a name >> white supremacy cysts >> what would you like me to condemn? the proud boys, stand back and stand by >> when trump told the proud boys to stand back and stand by, reporters like yourself, who monitor hate groups online, so immediate reaction

that's why i wanted to talk to you tonight. now that the former presiden is once again calling on his supporters to protest, are you seeing a similar response on that >> you see a lot of violen threats directly targeted at specific people. the big difference between january 6th and now is befor january 6th and there was weeks, even months of run up to tha date a couple weeks before januar 6th, there was a donald trum rally. the white house was see you on january 6th. >> that was the wi-fi password >> that was the wi-fi password at the rally set up by the campaign you don't see that right now what you see is people sayin any protest might be a trap by the feds and all this stuff. but the big problem with thi stuff is you can't identif lone wolf's. we've had five, six years of lone wolf's. i will counties off right now. last year, after the mar-a-lag raid, there was a guy who -- named ricky shiver, he went to the ohio offices of the fbi, h ended up dying in a shoot out.

david depape, the populist attacker also obsessed with weird lies. robert bauer, pittsburgh synagogue shooter, obsesse with this 2018 midterm narrative about terror rantz and the maga bomb, or someon setting up all those mail bomb to people. those are random lone wolf's you can identify that, eve though they have - ricky schiffer, he had a truth social account, was postin that towards the president where he posted that thing a couple days ago. so those are the problems, you can't find the one crazy guy out there even if they are not organized right now. >> and they are organize larger groups are maybe easier to track and then a lone wol kind of player that you don' know who they could be that could be anybody, which i more frightening we don't know for sure trump will be arrested or if it will happen on tuesday, as he i predicting but if it does, extremists who support trump will have specific target for the outrag

and the way they have not have since january 6th. how much does that concern you >> it concerns me a lot. when you see these threats online, they are targeted no at specific people and that's kind of the point that's why don't trump get this he does not go say, go attac this guy of course, not that will b illegal. he muddies the water a littl bit so he can get his people t say, go after alvin bragg, these specific people. that's what you see online right now. we've talked to a lot of researchers in the space they are seeing more targete specific threats at, for example, alvin bragg, and then they are seeing people wanting to storm state capitals an things like that >> how has the online far-righ changed since trump left office? >> first of, all they are a lo more nervous about the feds. they are aware that they are not on their side. after january 6th, that has al changed. they've seen these prosecution now. >> are they more afraid of the

feds because the democrats now control the white house and th justice department or because they see some o these january 6th people getting sentenced to jail? what is the cause of the fear? >> it is both, right it is about the idea that they keep seeing these prosecutions people on the very forums an that they hang out on, the talk about their own trials in these forums it's kind of incredible. they know people personally wh have jail time that is one big problem. they are not done. they still want to fight frankly, luckily, 72 hours i not a lot of time to organize. >> on friday, trump posted t facebook and youtube for the first time in two years. and then the next morning, h was on truth social calling fo supporters to protest. do you think the social medi platforms should be rethinking their decision to reinstat trump? what would it take for them to ban him again?

>> it's kind of an incredibl stress test. the one thing they said that h can do is foment another insurrection, which personally believe that should be a one and done thing, but that's just me if he does break the rules, an they've said, facebook and all the other places, they sai they will kick him off maybe not twitter, elon musk runs that, it's a whole othe situation. but we will see. he knows the line, if he crosses it again he gets banne from those platforms >> all right, ben collins. really glad to talk to you tonight because you tracke this thank you for being with us. after the break, how lawmakers across the country are risin up to ensure the contributions of people of color aren' erased from the classroom. first, my colleague jessic layton with today's top news story. jessica? >> hi reverend, al thank you. here are the what the storie we're watching this hour breaking news overseas, ubs ha agreed to buy rival bank credi suisse this was national bank pledged a substantial loan to suppor

the deal, which aims to fend off global market turmoil. they are calling it a solution to secure financial stability. in france, president emmanue macron facing no confidenc motions as parliament tomorrow after pushing through an increase in the state pensio age from 62 to 64 years old. he went forward with that move despite weeks of protestin there. protests which have disrupte some essential services, including the garbage pickup at least 16 people died on saturday after a magnitude 6.8 earthquake struck southern ecuador. government officials say a estimated 381 people were hurt the u.s. at the allot -- survey says the earthquake was more than 31 miles deep. i'm jessica layton more politics nation wit reverend al sharpton after the break. with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv

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or high blood potassium. ask your doctor about entresto. >> welcome back to politicsnation there's been lots of developments in the last few hours when it comes to a possible indictment on crimina charges for former president trump. nbc news has confirmed tha attorney bob costello will testify before the grand jur in manhattan the former president has on hi truth social platform called him the most important witness in this case, and of quote costello is expected t criticize trump's former personal attorney michael cohen, a key witness who told msnbc

this morning he has been invited back to offer rebuttal as well nbc's gary grumbach is in west palm beach, florida, this evening gary, what do you know about how this development came about? >> costello is by no means a household name he is something that was a legal adviser to michael cohen formerly he is somebody who very much knows trump world really well. he's also represented stev bannon, rudy giuliani in the past, unrelated cases. he knows trump world he understands how it works. he understands the inner workings and the peopl involved in all this he will be brought before th grand jury tomorrow to reall discredit michael cohen. of course, michael cohen i somebody who has spent time in jail for this situation. he is going to sit in front of the grand jury and try to make the case that michael cohe should not be trusted. that is what is happening with

robert costello. as you mentioned, former president trump is excited about this he said in a statement on trut social, the most important witness to go before the new york city grand jury he says this is the former president trump speaking, th information he will presen will be supposedly conclusiv and irrefutable. that's an endorsement. just to talk through how w expect this week to go tomorrow, down to the da's office, at the grand jury room we expect costello to testif and then if the prosecutor want him to, michael cohen wil testify as sort of a rebuttal. about point, if he is the last witness that they plan to call that's going to be it for th fact finding portion of this investigation. the investigation will soo come to a close. at that point, and the grand jury needs this in a room, 1 of them need to be present t debate this and deliberate thi out. 12 of them have to fin

reasonable cause to find forme president trump guilty of an sort of felony or even a misdemeanor, if that were to b the case that's how we expect this to happen at that point the indictment would be give to alvin bragg, the da i manhattan he would unseal it and put it on record it would be public at that point. it would go from there that's what we are expecting over the next few days >> gary, do you think this makes it less likely that trum will be arrested tuesday i mean, he does not sound like someone who is about to be arrested, if you have got to g through this witness, possible rebuttal, and then 16 people sitting in a room, 12 o which have to vote one way o another that's a whole lot tha would happen tomorrow. >> there is a lot that has t be done i want to be super clear here nbc news has not confirmed tha tuesday date that date is only somethin former president trump has sai on his truth social account.

nobody that i've seen ha confirmed a tuesday date we do not know if he will be indicted the grand jury has not decided if he will be indicted yet >> and gary, including that no one has said or confirmed, including trump's lawyers, hav said they've not been told b the da's office that he ha been charged and must surrender. this is all by donald trump. i repeat, you raised it, i sai it on the show last night with michael cohen sitting righ here in studio with me, michae cohen went to jail saying he did what he said he did fo donald trump it has been corroborated by story of daniels that wa supposed to be paid off for no revealing something that could have hurt the campaign it seemed strange th government would take a pulley a free government did not thin he was telling the truth but we will see thank you very

much, gary grumbach, i florida. let's bring in my politica panel. republican strategist susan de percio and democrati strategist kurt bardella thank you both for joining m today. susan, we just heard the lates from trump world the former president i predicting his own arrest. he is lashing out at the investigations and calling o his supporters to protest this this is before any charges hav even been filed. where do you think things ar headed next? >> as you just talked abou with the reporter, we don' know exactly we know there will be testimon given tomorrow by anothe attorney and that michael cohe is there to perhaps review it. donald trump wanted somethin on the record about michae cohen. he felt pretty strongly abou that again, under oath, it does

raise questions about michae cohen. let's not forget, it was not just what happened with stormy daniels and that michael cohen went to prison for it was a lot of other issues one reason was not completel clear because he did not wan to discuss any legal matters he is not an ideal witness but donald trump might as well have said, i expect to b beamed up to mars on tuesday it is out of nowhere my guess is by wednesday w will see where the distric attorney stands. based on what everything has shown, it will likely be a indictment of donald trump >> local, state, and federal law enforcement have securit agencies prepared for th possibility that trump will be indicted as early as this week senior officials familiar with the preparations have told nbc news trump's attorney, joe tacopina, told nbc news that trump will follow normal

procedures if it gets to the point of having to surrender t authorities for the da's office kurt, are you worried a trum indictment could derai democratic efforts to focus on legislating and governing? >> i'm not i think democrats have shown particularly this president ha demonstrated over time that we can do two, three, four things at once. i point to the robust record o accomplishment that presiden biden has presided over whil facing a pandemic, and economi downturn he still got a lot of stuf done all the while, i think republicans, if they think tha it's masquerading as this part of law and order but havin their figurehead be unde indictment is a message that i palatable, that is useful to voters, that's going to connec with all the voters they los in the november midterms, they doubled down on -- they think that is the winning strategy to rally around behin this person who is potentially

under indictment then go ahead. democrats will continue to focus on the kitchen table issues, republicans will expan the next year or two defending donald trump's crimina actions. >> susan, yesterday, house speaker kevin mccarthy announced at the congressional investigation into the local prosecutor seemingly preparing to indict trump. saying in a tweet that he is immediately directed relevan committees to investigate if federal funds are being used t subvert our democracy by interfering with elections with politically motivated prosecutor this is coming from the same person who is currently vowing to spend congressional resources to investigate hunte biden. is mccarthy's logic consistent here >> no, of course not it comes from marjorie taylo greene what do you expect it can only be crazy and sporadic so kevin mccarthy, he's gotten

his marching orders, he is going forward with it. once again, it will show tha the republicans in washingto have absolutely no interest in governance kurt is right. joe biden and democrats can do a lot of things at the sam time i think the best thing they ca do when they are talking about donald trump is simply to say, this matter is a legal matte and will play itself through the courts let's talk about deb reduction. >> speaker mccarthy was not th only republican defendin trump. there were plenty of others ou there this weekend take a listen. >> just feels like a politically-charged prosecutio here and, for my part of it, i just feel like it is just - not with the american people want to see. >> it's another example of a two tier system of judges. >> he's building a lot o sympathy for the forme president. i think the fact that i wa with coffee this morning wit some folks, none of them wer

big trump supporters, but they all said they felt like he was being attacked >> kurt, republicans say all the time they want to move o from trump and yet, here they are again rushing to his defense in case about his persona behavior not his politics why? >> yeah, rev i never want to hear the nonsense narrative ever agai that republicans want to mov on from trump. i never want to read another story -- consultants whining abou donald trump they have been given the ideal exit ramp away from donald trump. instead of taking that exits they are doubling down on it they are hitting the foot on the gas and doubling down on donald trump let's be very clear here they want this they want donald trump to be their figurehead they want to continue down the path that they started in 2016 and has resulted in them losin election after election afte election you know what, it's thei choice every day they have a choice kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell,

marco rubio, ted cruz, mik pence, all these people no trying to jockey to replac donald trump, they can't speak out and do the right thing they are knowingly choosing no to do so the result is going to be this ongoing build it towards violence donald trump put it up there o social media he wants people to protest after january 6th, that is not an empty threats that is not hypothetical that's not let's see what woul happen if we know what happens when h calls for this type of action, violence happens it happened at the capitol if these republicans like mike pence don't think that's a criminal matter, if they did think that these types o things should not be investigated, should not b considered criminal conduct, i don't have any idea what their idea of democracy is but they are definitely on the wrong side of it >> susan and kurtz, day with us after the break, the political pitfalls of trying to lo america off tiktok and a reality check on ron desantis, the governor gets hi first taste of the trump

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politicsnation my political panel is back wit me republican strategist susan de percio and democrati strategist kurt bardella susan, taking a look at how th 2024 presidential primary is shaping up, there are sign

that show that florida governo ron desantis has been slipping in recent polls. even before he has announced a a candidate. a recent new york times articl points out a trend from about dozen polls, with each one showing desantis faring wors than before. and trump is faring better on the morning council pol shows trump is currently leading desantis by 24 point among potential republican primary voters we've seen past republican rivals when they're in the fac of trump's constant attacks. is something similar already happening with desantis, i your opinion >> i don't think, so rev what i think is that after his win in florida, which was double digit win, no matter ho you cut, it was a good win for ron desantis, his name came up

it was in the polls. he looked like a viabl challenger to donald trump w can talk about all of that at another time as time goes on and he is no an announced candidate and h is trying to acclimate a perso who has not announced, which means he has been keeping away from the press, it is no surprise that the numbers have shaken out a bit it is so early now it will really come down t when desantis starts kicking u his campaign in june, what happens. i don't forget, desantis is in a unique situation because h has $71 million in a pack. so money is not his issue. he can go on governing and - donald trump let him kee exploding. >> speaking of governor ro desantis in florida, the governor has led a campaig against what he describes as woke indoctrination in publi schools. particularly when it comes t

race and danger -- gender a recent new york times articl details for their efforts by the census administration to scrub any traces of wokeness from florida school. one publisher even offered thi textbook that made no mentio of race in the story of rosa parks. the kurds, it is sometimes seems as if this woke card i the only one desantis has to play does that make him a wea candidate? >> yet, it does, rev because the values run desantis's embodying in turnin to policy repel the voters i this country who believe i things like diversity, who believe america, historically, has fallen far short o equality, especially socia equality, racial equality, racial justice that is not something to run and hide from. that is something we need to correct and fix and work every day to march towards a mor

equal society. if you will run a presidential campaign on the idea that we should eliminate conversations of equality and social justice from the conversation, i think that alienates you from th majority of voters that puts you in the box of th white nationalists, david duke nick fuentes, steve bannon guess what, rev, that's no what the majority of thi country's voters are, if tha is the standard bearer for the republican party, they wil continue losing voters >> switching gears a new california bill that was announced in the state legislature on friday woul protect health care provider who male abortion pills to patients in other states where the medication is maybe illegal. this comes as wyoming became the first state to outlaw th use of a common abortion pil on friday, and as the nation i awaiting a decision from a texas judge considerin restricting access to the pill nationwide

susan, many believe th overturn of roe hurt republicans in the mid term. could new restrictions o reproductive rights hurt the further in 2024, in your opinion? >> you bet you it definitely will this is such an intrusion on just a woman's choice, how she handles her medication with he doctor this is absurd republicans are going to get crushed for it we hear a lot about how th u.s. senate map looks good for republicans in 2024. which, frankly, it does. this is the type of issue that can crush them absolutely crush them if i goes forward i do think it's going to go to the supreme court. i find it very hard to believe that they will uphold that a judge can make a decision on what is considered a legal dru when it has been approved by

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