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trump cornered his desperate attempt to control the narrative ahead of potential indictment his niece, mary trump, is here along with professor - plus, zero accountability. 20 years to the day afte george w. bush launched hi illegal iraq war also tonight, march for ou lives cofounder david -- on th gun reform movement, and o president biden's new executiv order. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening. i'm mehdi hasan. picture the scene. a cult leader gathers hi followers in waco, texas, as law enforcement closes in. described as a pathologica liar and cinman, the cul leader rails against the government, rages against th godless left, and depict himself as the chosen one. his disciples eat it up. they worship him

they even vowed to give thei lives for him. now, am i describing david koresh, the infamous leader wh was killed along with 75 of hi cult members in the fbi sieg of his waco compound in 1993 or, i might describing forme president donald trump because trump we'll be hosting his first mccartney of 2023 in waco, next weekend, on the 30t anniversary of the waco siege. and, while of course, trump is not accused of the kind of horrific crimes and delusion that koresh was, he is accused of quite a bit of wrongdoing and him choosing waco to host maga rally right now is just a little too on the nose for me. but, will he even be there i waco next saturday he doesn't seem to think so. the former president put out a statement earlier on saturda that set the political world ablaze, decreeing that he woul be arrested this coming tuesday,

calling on all his tru believers to protest and, quote, take our nation back now, consider that claim of hi with a nice slab of salt because true to form, his ow lawyers, members of his ow inner circle, don't quite know what he's spouting off about in fact, a spokesperson fo trump's campaign put out a statement clarifying, quote, there has been no notification of an imminent escalation in the manhattan da's investigation into trump details, however, truth tend not to matter when trump issue a clarion call indeed, republicans shoc troops that spent much of th last 36 hours falling over one another to close ranks, circle the wagons, pick your idiom. kevin mccarthy house speaker was one of the first into th fray, the clearing on twitte that the alleged imminen arrest is outrageous abuse o powered by a radical da wh lets criminals walk as h pursues criminal vengeance house conference - right behind her boss, and she upped the ante, declaring that the, quote, radical left knowing that cannot beat

president trump at the ballo box -- although they've beaten hi before - will now follow the lead o socialist dictators and arrest him. you might -- illegal and un-american. what can i say all hail the new george carlin of congress. leaks? chairwoman - the only leaks we know about our trump himself. your hero, and your standard bearer we begin before, of course recall that it was the forme president who first broke th news of the fbi exercising a search warrant at his sunshine state eyesore, mar-a-lago. the feds didn't tell the world they were searching th property for withhel classified documents, there wa no 21st century deep throat of the fbi or doj last summer it was trump, who in seeking t paint himself as a martyr, let the cat out of the bag that's been his m.o. since day one. the play the minor, whil issuing thinly veiled threats. >> he's trying to threaten the american judicial system, bu not just - fani willis in georgia

washington, any court that thinks that they're going to bring donald trump in, i'm gonna call for a protest this is who he is. this is an autocratic wannabe. this is a guy who doesn't want to be president of the unite states he wants to be our monarch our ruler. the furor. that's who he is >> consider this meme that trump and his allies tweet and truth constantly they're not after me they're after you. i'm just in the way. a stirring sentiment, no doubt for joe and josephine sixpack, or it would be, if it wa remotely tethered to reality name one instance, just on instance, by the forme president ever, ever showe even a glimmer of reciprocated loyalty to his own diehard followers. you can't. and the tragedy here is hi disciples, like those of david koresh, only just realize ho

one-sided, how parasitic the relationship is, once it's too late take a look at these message from a - proud boys telegram channels o january the 20th, 2021 on inauguration day. we truly believed in tha effer. some guys are in jail becaus they followed him. i'm disgusted that i had suc loyalty to trump, and i've los everything for him f that guy i imagine the waco branc division survivors would describe david koresh maybe in similar terms. or maybe ex-scientologists, or people who escaped the clutche of the qanon cult. ultimately, though, it doesn't matter what members of a copin of their cold leader whether they determine turnout to protest for him the rest of us aren't in the cult for the rest of us, all that matters is that the rule of la is applied no exceptions, no get outs, an no one is above it joining me now is jennifer - law professor, host of the podcast booked up, with jen, author of big dirty money, the

shocking injustice and unsee cost of white collar crime also with us, mary trump, host of the mary trump podcast, and not have too much and neve enough - how my family created th world's most dangerous man and also, author of th reckoning, our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal. and also, the niece of a certain someone. thank you both for joining m on the show tonight. mary, let me start with you. you are not just donald trump' niece. you're also a psychologist you saw your uncle's truth posts, his angry all cap social media posts, about an imminent arrest. were those the words of defiant man? a cornered man a desperate man? >> well, i think with donald it's always all three. and, let's be clear here it's the same play he runs because it works this is a person who doe understand on some level tha he's getting closer and closer to some sort of accountability he probably doesn't believe it entirely, because it's never happened but he knows that if he make his grievance the grievance of

the mob, if he makes rule of law, holding him accountable, crime against real americans then we might be in for some trouble here i mean, i think that donald ha shown himself, when push comes to shove, to be quit pragmatic. like, he didn't stay at th oval office after he lost th election he left. his only punishment was not to attend the inauguration. so he knows when he needs to cede certain ground. but that's because he ha millions of people who will do his bidding. and it is not an accident that he is already preempting reactions by calling for protest. we saw this happen before. we're gonna see it happe again. and it is cause for concern. >> yeah. and jennifer, the case against trump in manhattan revolve around hush money payments t

adult film star stormy daniels who is alleged to have had a fair with him. the times reported that an indictment is not a sure thing because the case hinges upon mr. trump's company falsifie like records to hide the payou from voters days before th 2016 russian - do you share that concern? >> well, i don't entirely shar that concern because i'm not sure that th new york times, or any of us actually know what charges alvin bragg's gonna bring. and we know so far is that it' likely to be a falsification o business records allegation, and as we've been hearing, tha is merely a misdemeanor. it only rises to a level of felony if the falsification is to somehow assist or cover u another crime. that may seem like a big lea for many but it's amazing to me how soo

peoples's memories fade. donald trump's two corporation actually were convicted of falsification of busines records charges at the felon level, and - >> by alvin bragg. >> yes so, i think it's quite possibl that there's something - none of us know what tha underlying felony is i have a few ideas, and you ca just look right at tha indictment of his businesses and what the jury convicted hi for to get a little bit of a clue >> so, mary, i'm sure you're familiar with the classic twee turned meme, i'd like to see old donny trump wriggle his wa out of this jam! the joke being that he always, almost effortlessly, wriggle his way out. he's teflon trump. the walls never quite close in on him do you think this is another one of those instances liberals raising their hopes a little too soon or early or no? >> i think it's problemati that all of this has taken s long i think that has the effect of demoralizing people who want t see justice done and kind of giving people here

who are -- who want to see all of this as a hoax, as an invalid attack against their leader, it's all coming together at the sam time because there have been s many delays in so many different directions that i' not entirely sure this wil have the kind of impact it should have. i mean, we're talking about th first time in american history that somebody in donald' position gets indicted, if indeed that happens. and we're looking at at leas three other venues in whic that could happen in the not too distant future so, and the one hand, hurray i the rule of law finally, finally holds him accountable. on the other hand, though, i gives his base a lot o material to work with. >> jennifer, mary mentioned th

other jurisdictions. the fulton county, georgia cas seems like more of a slam dunk to me. i'm no lawyer, but i heard him on tape. you've also got jack smith, th special counsel investigations personally, i prefer not to be this one first, if it is thi one first, given it centers, a lot of, on michael cohen, hi former lawyer and fixer, who msnbc is reporting tonight wil be turning up tomorrow, monday at the da's office as rebuttal witness against a robert costello, a former lega adviser of his i mean, how much - is the fact that michael cohen is at the center of this problematic? >> i actually don't find i problematic at all donald trump shows michael cohen to do his bidding, and michael cohen actually went to prison, and he pleaded guilt to some of these same crimes that donald trump was involved in as we may remember, donald trump was named as individua one in that charge and, you know, if -- >> by the trump doj.

>> what was good enough for th senators of new york, it shoul be good enough for the manhattan da >> yeah. it's interesting that trum today on social media is sayin that michael cohen is a liar and a fraud and a storyteller. the michael cohen him plied fo years. i love the irony the best people he hires alway turn out to be so bad. mary, one last quick questio for you. how worried are you of the prospect, the risk, of violenc in the coming days and weeks you have trump talking about his protesters, telling hi followers to protest his followers often bragg abou being super loyal, and heavily armed. and trump has a history of inciting them into violent acts >> unfortunately, mehdi, it' something we also need to be concerned about. and quite honestly, it's not the venues themselves. i'm sure new york and d. c have this covered. you know, they know what to do it's more that donald continue to engage in this kind o stochastic terrorism, that a we've seen in the not distan past, really has devastating

consequences so unfortunately, this is th kind of thing where violence could break out anywhere in th country, and it's very difficult to prepare for that. >> mary trump and jennifer, we will have to leave it there. thank you both for enlightenin our viewers on this story. appreciate you both. >> thank you >> next, what impact will trump indictment, if it happens, have on our politics especially after our story, th 2024 presidential race i'll ask a veteran white house correspondent. don't go away.

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took to his ridiculously named social media website, trut social, yesterday morning, t announce to the world he wil be arrested this coming week we have been swamped, flooded, inundated with hot takes, take that this could lead to civi war, takes that trump has no secured the 2024 gop nomination takes from the likes of th

chief twit, elon musk himself, that if trump is arrested, h will be reelected in a landslide victory. is there an evidence, even anecdotal evidence, that this could be remotely true? or that elon musk has ever bee proved right about anything? there is no history to loo back to here, to take preceden from. we've never had a former president indicted before, i it happens, we would be in uncharted waters look, we hate horse race stuff on this show but i have to ask tonight, how would an indictment affect the 2024 race? trump is not just a former president, he is the front runner in that race. who better to ask than a lon time observer of presidents an chief white house corresponden from the new york times, peter baker, thanks for coming bac on the show, peter politically, do you buy th argument from some of hi supporters as well as people like elon musk that an indictment would help trump in electoral terms, in terms of garnering sympathy from the go base that has slowly, ever s slowly, been moving away fro

trump? >> i think you are exactly right to point out that we don't know we have never seen anythin like this before, right? there is no history to base ou judgment on. we ought to be careful about making predictions in, as yo put it, uncharted territory. we do not know they are very confident, obviously, that this will help them you want to be confident you've got to be careful o politics about things you ar confident about. often, it turns out you are no right. i've seen that so many times before i would say that clearly, ther is a sense of grievanc politics that has animated his appeal to his base for man years. he has used that successfull in the past two generate support from fellow republican who like him already people who are outraged at the mueller report or outraged a this prosecution or that investigation, this impeachment, or that impeachment. he has used it before, he' using a playbook, in that sense, that has worked in the past. it's never been with a crimina indictment like this the other thing that's ver

different here is we don't kno if this is the first indictmen or the last indictment is there going to be a succession of indictments on different topics as you rightly pointed out i the previous segment, we could have an indictment o classified documents, we could have an indictment in georgi on the effort to turn th election there we have an indictment on january 6th. we don't know, and if you have four indictments, let's say, a opposed to one, the calculatio changes. you can imagine a situatio where even trump voters wh like him, who say i think he did a great job, i think he wa being unfairly persecuted, but maybe it's a little much is there somebody out there wh would do the same thing withou so many court dates? >> very good point indeed. the cumulative effect of all these potential indictments. peter, what are you hearin from republicans, if anything, behind the scenes? publicly, with the exception o mike pence, who has condemne talk of indictment this morning, none of trump's 2024 gop rivals, desantis, haley, pompeo, e

cetera, have had a word so far mitch mcconnell has been silent of course, kevin mccarthy, the speaker, is busy running interference for trump o twitter. >> i don't know that you wil see too many republicans prominent republicans come out in favor of the indictment i there is one, or using that as an opportunity to attack president trump. what they will do is wait an see if it helps bring him down if it does, you might see them start to flock to othe candidates or make the point o the campaign trail they are waiting to see it a well they also know this is uncharted territory. they don't want to offend hi voters his voters are the voters they themselves would like to hav if they are running themselves or if their candidate is running. they want to be careful abou going too far. if we go down, they hope h will go down on his own. >> another chapter in th republican book of this era. profiles in courage. i want to pivot to you bombshell scoop in the times this weekend for years, a lot of people hav believed that the ronald reaga campaign in the 1980 presidential election urged th

iranians to not release u.s. hostages ahead of that electio and thereby caused sitting president jimmy carter to lose his reelection bid you have an on the recor interview with a source wh says former texas governor and reagan ally john connally di go to the middle east at the time and did make that ask t the iranians but reagan supporters, lik journalist david - pouring cold water on your reporting, asking did connally even speak to the iranians did he even have reagan' blessing did reagan know this was happening? what's your response t questions like that from reaga supporters who don't want to hear this about their grea hero >> and there is obviously a lo of unanswered questions abou this story ben barnes, the person who tells us this, the forme lieutenant governor of texas, very prominent figure, a democrat, a long time majo figure in american politics -- at one point, lyndon johnson said he would be the next -- he would be a president of the united states someday, he wa that influential at times. there was no reason i ca imagine that he is making this up that does not mean he know

everything and would admit tha himself. he doesn't know whether reagan knew about this, for instance. he doesn't know whether john connally took this trip to the middle east at the direction of, say, bill casey, the campaig chair. he knows they've met with bill casey and discussed after th fact he doesn't know whether th message got to the iranians. they met with arab leaders i various countries, egypt, saud arabia, those kinds of places, lebanon. he didn't know for a fact it got to the iranians. he doesn't know if the iranian acted as a result. there is a limit to how much h is able to tell us we never heard this stor before, most of us, because he has kept this quiet for 43 years mostly he's been embarrassed abou this, he didn't realize that was the purpose of a trip. as a democrat, he was afraid h would be criticized by fello democrats if he admitted t having been part of this he wants to clear the air. president carter is now in hospice, heading in theory toward his last chapters >> i would say, you can't sa this, but i will say it, i seems to me bizarre that the would meet with the reagan

campaign chair who would go on to be the cia director, bu apparently it never reache ronald reagan. i found it amazing that if i is true, how america would b different country today of jimmy carter had been reelected, not ronald reagan. amazing to think about tha historical counterfactual. peter baker, thank you for you reporting. i appreciate you coming on >> thank you >> still ahead, conservative complain about wokeness so muc that it's lost all meaning hasn't it? plus, don't forget you can listen to the mehdi hasan show anytime free wherever you ge your podcasts. ♪birds flyin' high, you know how i feel.♪ ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... [coughing] ...copd sitting down. ♪it's a new dawn,...♪ ♪...it's a new day,♪ it's time to make a stand. ♪and i'm feelin' good.♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd... ...medicine has the power to treat copd... ...in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler,...

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coalition forces are in th early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, t free its people, and to defend the world from grave danger. >> tonight marks the 20t anniversary of the invasion in iraq president george w. bush, aide and abetted by prime ministe tony blair of the uk, lied t the american public about th threat posed by saddam hussein lied to the world about wmd's, and launched a war o aggression the u. n. secretary general at the time called it a legal called it a violation of the u n. charter thousands of americans died, hundreds of thousands of iraqi died yet there has been littl accountability for the architects, the promoters of

that illegal invasion. as i pointed out on my show on peacock earlier this week, the people behind the debacle in iraq have largely failed up. they are doing just fine george w. bush's swapping coug drops with michelle obama. he is not worried about bein subjected to an arrest warrant from the international crimina court. kind of like the one that wa issued for vladimir putin on friday over his illega invasion of ukraine. nor has bush taken any rea responsibility at all. my next guest was an arden support of the war in iraq, an influential liberal journalist writing op-eds making the case at the time, and he has shown lot of regret since, he ha apologized and said he was totally wrong. he joins me now, peter beinart msnbc political analyst an author of the beinart notebook on substack who is editor of the liberal pro war magazine i the new republic back in 2003. thanks for coming back on th show, peter. you and your that magazine backed the war you were a noted and outspoken

liberal hawk, even a year later, in 2004, you are putting out a editorial in your magazine tha said, on iraw, we feel regre but no shame in 2010 you are still bein called an unrepentant libera hawk you are talking about ho saddam has not - has bothered you when did you decide, peter, got it wrong, completely wrong and actually feel bad about it feel, quote unquote, shame >> i think the shame began a bit earlier and it was partl personal i had a close relative who was a doctor in the army who was deployed to iraq, had to leave her small child and then got t afghanistan, had to leave both her kids michael kelly, a great man who had been my boss was coverin the war and was killed in th war. there i started seeing homeles iraq veterans on the streets o new york starting in the first essay wrote expressing regret, i think it was in 2007, then i wrote a whole book a coupl

years later, basically tryin to understand how i could've made such a catastrophic error in judgment. i really didn't think that i could write about foreig policy at all, having been wrong about something of tha magnitude. >> of course, it wasn't just you. a lot of people got it wrong what was behind, do you think, that u.s. media consensus in the run up to the war? why did so many journalists an commentators not ask tougher questions about the evidence for the wmds, george bush' real intentions? was it fear, was a group think was it post 9/11 jingoism? >> i know you do this, w should hold up the people wh did. they were very honorable exceptions the nation magazin editorialized passionately against the war. even my magazine, the ne republic, which was pro war, one of my colleagues opposed it it's not that everybody got it as wrong as i did. i think for those of us who di get it so wrong, i think a lot

of it had to do with the hubri building in washington since the end of the cold war. it had been building as americ won these wars, these smal wars, panama in the late 1980s and the gulf war, bosnia in 95 kosovo in 99, especially kosovo, because the u.s. went to war i kosovo without u.n. approval it became this fever that wa building, this overconfidenc and what the u.s. military could achieve. this very facile idea that i you got rid of a dictator, democracy would naturally brea out. i would say a kind o gullibility about america' leaders, because it had been s long since that experience o vietnam. people like me, who were younger, who had not lived through vietnam, had come to kind of discount the ver important lessons of that war. >> you have been around in d c., new york media, politica circles for a while now.

you were editor of a prominent political magazine does it surprise you how man of the iraq war hawks in our politics, in our media, have failed up without showing an regret or remorse? george bush is now michell obama's close friend john bolton is thinking abou throwing his hat into the go presidential race. david frum is a liberal hashta resistance anti trump pin-up even though he just wrote piece for the atlantic thi week still defending the war >> i don't think there has bee very much accountability for the iraq war it's fair to say, just because someone was wrong about iraq does not mean they were wron about everything david frum, for instance, wrot some really important pieces admonishing conservative against supporting donal trump. but there is a bipartisa foreign policy elite i washington and that is not ver responsive to american publi opinion. you saw that even though americans chose barack obama over hillary clinton i significant measure, because

obama had opposed the war. i think it shows donald trum in the republican primary, significantly because he claimed to have opposed th iraq war, even though we kno he didn't. americans were actually trying to change the direction of american foreign policy. if you look at the institution that produced the kind o people who make american foreign policy in both parties they are very tied to th military industrial complex an they tend to have a set of hawkish american exceptionalis attitudes that really aren't - that are quite insulated fro the american public opinion >> 100 percent agree with that. last question for you, peter why do you think of the lesson of iraq for today's geopolitics? for america's response to what is happening in ukraine, for example? for america's posture toward china? >> the lesson, first of all is just because something i bipartisan doesn't mean it's a good idea. vietnam was bipartisan as well and secondly, america needs to take much more seriously the things we hear from overseas

especially from the global south. it's people in the global sout who have the most experience o american imperialism and tha have asked the toughes questions about our claims t moral righteousness. their voices need to be hear more in washington >> yes, they do. one of the reasons i like to hear your voice on this show even though you did get iraq wrong, as you've been a very eloquent and outspoken criti of how foreign policy concerns in recent years -- and i appreciate you speakin out on these issues. peter, always a pleasure t talk with you. >> thank you >> five years ago, my next guest survived a mass shooting at his high school today, he is a leading gun control advocate david hogg joins me after th break to discuss president biden's new executive order on background checks for gu purchasers and the march for our lives five years on. ho wanted their damaged hair trimmed. yes, i need a trim. i just want to be able to cut the damage. we tried dove instead. so, still need that trim?

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historic number of young peopl across the country demande action on gun reform a 2018 march for our lives was the largest single day protest against gun violence in u.s. history, and took place in the wake of the deadliest high school shooting in america history, at the marjor stoneman douglas high school i parkland, florida. many marches later, we have to ask a difficult question what has actually changed in the five years since last year, congress enforced tougher background checks fo people under 21 and encouraged states to implement so-calle red flag laws. it was the most significant gu reform bill in nearly 30 years but any reform on guns shoul be given that distinction, because literally nothing is being done since 1994. i've long said on the show tha president biden should be doin more on gun reform, using hi executive powers this year, he did. he did sign an executive order

that directs attorney genera merrick garland to address a background check loophole. it's a necessary, if again mild, reform it's unclear how much impact they would've had even for the people killed recently i monterey park, california, where the president unveiled this latest executive action joining me now is david hogg the cofounder of march for our lives, and the former marjorie stoneham douglas student thanks for coming back on th show do you support president biden 's latest executive order on background checks? is it enough does it go far enough? >> yes, i do support it. i think it's important t highlight that the reason wh this is happening is in larg part because young peopl turned out and voted in record numbers across the country the president knows we are a critical part of that. i have to think about what i constitutional here, unfortunately, in terms of wha

the president can actually do. as far as how much he can do, think this is a step in th right direction. i'm not going to condemn it bu i think he could go further. he, for example, could declare gun violence as a national emergency. >> yes and there was a march for ou lives rally set for this comin friday on the national mall. your organization is calling for a federal assault weapon ban. something joe biden says h wants to do as well. what is your expectation for this march and forgetting that assault weapons ban passed >> i think it's important to highlight that we are just marching in d. c., we ar working to shore up and in state legislatures it is important for people t realize, i think we talked about problems that the gu reform movement faces, we ar very reactive. we are not proactive yet this is an effort to try t help make the movement mor proactive, to help generate an dialogue and action before there is an instance of gu violence

if we are only reacting afte there is gun violence, we ar taking one step forward and tw steps back constantly. that's why we are marching again on the five year anniversary, to show peopl around the country, especially state legislatures, where we can see what we can get throug the courts now, so when i do eventually outlive the supreme court, thank god, because i'm younger person, along with the rest of my generation, we ca see what we can get rule constitutional and basically reverse engineer the tool book conservatives used for their issues and for people that want to be involved with that, i would sa to text action to 954954 once again, that's act to 95 954. >> i would say good luck t outliving brett kavanaugh. reuters reports the biden do has asked the supreme court to allow federal law to stand tha would make that crime fo people under domestic violence restraining orders to ow firearms how worried are you about this supreme court support for, quote unquote, gun rights? its opposition to common sense gun control measures^ >> it's deeply concerning. what's even crazier to me is

i've talked a lot of professors even then, when i asked abou what they think about th brewing decision, they say business turned in at hls or any law school, even two decades ago, not only would it have not half passed, it would have got a failing grade entirely that is how illogical this decision is and how outrageous it is in the first place it is very concerning. clearly, we have an extremel partisan court that is mor dedicated to pushing a political agenda than actually upholding what the - that the second amendment was selected right and not a individual one >> it's amazing we have thes conservatives both on th supreme court in the republica party who are pro life, pr kids lives in the womb, but no in school. on that note, one last questio for you, david five years on, what is it like to look back on that horrifi day in parkland, all the evi that was done that day

but all of the hope an activism and solidarity that has come out of that dark da and what so many of you had to endure, that you should no have had to endure >> it's very sad, ultimately i think there is a lot of olde people, especially, who look a us and are inspired of course, i'm thankful for that, but i think, looking back at who w were when i was just 17 year old, young people having to ac up and speak out to not be sho and killed in their schools an communities on a daily basis i not a sign of hope it's a canary in the coal mine for our democracy. our generation is mobilizing but we need people all ages, w need more people of all ages into - and we do have older allies in this fight far longer than i'v been alive but we need more people to joi us and not just say, wow, we are so happy young people ar going to save us we need people all ages to joi us in this fight, even mor than the ones that already have if you want to join us, you ca text at 954954 >> david hogg, we will have to

leave there. thank you so much for your time i appreciate it. >> thank you >> coming up at the top of the hour with ayman mohyeldin, congresswoman zoe lofgren, a former member of the january 6th select committee - his expectation that he will b arrested this week after the break, we'll ayman b with me as we talk about the war on wokeness, which no on on the right can seem to define funny that back in a moment don't go away. what if all i do isn't enough? or what if i can do diabetes differently? (avo) now you can with once-weekly mounjaro. mounjaro helps your body regulate blood sugar, and mounjaro can help decrease how much food you eat. 3 out of 4 people reached an a1c of less than 7%. plus people taking mounjaro lost up to 25 pounds. mounjaro is not for people with type 1 diabetes or children.

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we'll be back next sunday -- nbc humbug peacock, a ne episodes of the mehdi hassan show ♪ ♪ ♪ on peacock post during the week now, it's time to handed ove to my good friend, - ayman, i don't know about yo but i for one have been waitin for republican, fo conservative to be asked t define the word, woke. which they throw around all th time without defining. and it finally happen this week this was the response of conservative pundit, bethany mandel, to a simple question what do you mean by woke >> would you mind defining woke, it's come up a couple times, i want to make sure we're on the same page? >> so, i mean woke is sort o the idea that [silence this is gonna be one of thos moments that goes viral.

woke is something that's har to define. [laughter] >> ayman, i may have watched that clip 17 times and laughed every time some came to our defense sayin that she froze on tv, poor thing. the reality is she froze because she didn't have definition. for the right, wok now means anything they don' like especially in relation t minorities although what's interesting, i when florida governor ro desantis's lawyer was asked in federal court to define woke he said quote, the belief that there are systemic injustice in american society and th need to address them i actually like that definition and i'm guessing most american would agree with that? >> i think it's a safe bet there is a recent poll i think released just last week, i found about 56% of americans agree that wokeness means bein informed, aware of socia injustices i think we can all basically agree with

to think about that clip, mehdi, you and i spend a little minutes a couple minutes every week thinking of what we can say, with the hopes that it ca go viral i thought maybe just for a moment, from now on why don' we just do a little role reversal, where you get to pretend to be a conservative, get to ask you to define terms you brandishing your political rhetoric >> i'm a conservative, hit me. >> mehdi, can you define socialism? >> socialism is the proposal - >> yeah, i didn't think so how about this one, mehdi, critical race theory any ideas on that? >> critical race theory is - critical >> okay. here is a tough one for you. d e i, any ideas of what dei is, and how you define it? >> it's -- this is gonna go viral it's one of those moment that's gonna go viral. >> it's definitely gonna g

viral my friend. but listen, to your point, honestly, they use these words they don't know what they mean they brandish them in thei political rhetoric to attack everybody on the left. and people go along with it. no one ever stops and says what do you actually mean by these words^ >> and breonna did the right thing. i wish more journalists woul do that in press conferences and congressional hallways what do you mean by critical race theory, what do you mea by woke. the right loves to throw the stuff around you gotta go on the offense, you can't just play defense al the time >> mehdi, great to see you enjoy the rest of your evening coming up on ayman, the gop' blind defense of trump republicans. rushing to his side. they are not even sure wha they're defending. plus, congresswoman zoe lofgren, a member of the january 6t select committee - i'm gonna get her reaction t trump's arrest prediction, and his attacks on t