>> it's something you want out of the punishment phase. >> i never want him to be able to do this to somebody els because if it wasn't me, wasn' valerie, if it wasn't any, can be somebody else and then use the stop. >> the jury sentence not t life in prison, afterwards megan addressed him directly >> well you said in jail i hop you think of me, the girl that you called for in an educated, it's because of you that you'l be in prison for life. >> i was really proud of her, think it took incredible courage on her right to se this through >> megan, those in, away she was lucky. >> every day, and so man people, helmy and as i make difference for those who don't have a voice >> that's all for this edition of dateline, i'm andrea canning, thanks for watching.

>> i'm craig melvin >> and i'm natalie morales. >> and this is dateline. >> the neighborhood ha everything a burglary wanted t find, private yards, wealthy homes -- >> and she had the worst o possible luck, in that h picked her >> yes >> i'd like to report an attempted break in - >> a mother, home alone. cops raced to her front door a she walks into an ambush in he backyard >> how does somebody die in matter of seconds with officer around her home? >> it was surreal, it wa awful. >> your first thought of tha time >> it's a burglary gone wrong. >> but the burglar caugh red-handed starts pointing fingers. >> this is a guy who aspire to be a hit man - >> she was a sitting target.

>> does it now mean that you charge them all with effort >> now the detectives lay a trap >> we triedd to play cat and mouse. >> we're getting reall paranoid about being - >> one are you wired >> will they catch their prey? >> you hold your breath, the world's gonna stop this. >> you never think it's goin to be you. >> oh no >> no. the young man is right in fact, this is the kind of thing that just doesn't happen to anyone. >> no, never never would've thought i would ever see anything like this. >> no, not here. not in this neighborhood, in this house but certainly not, surely not,

at the very moment when at least three policemen were jus outside the front door and jus over the backyard wall and mor than 30 feet away. >> we had to be told a few times just to get it in ou heads, what happened >> what happened here? in broad daylight and under th very noses of the cops >> was murder. no long beach california, town that might have bee cheated a little by the city fire department. >> a lot of people assume it's like la but it's not it' different, it has its ow identity >> different culturally? >> i think so. i think long beach is sort o its own beast. >> sure. >> it's a little more workin class. >> yes, and it's one of thos 50 suburbs in search of a city that everybody calls l. a. but long beach is a brawny cit unto itself, half 1 millio people, 52 square miles, a bus airport, a big university, a oceanfront, along beach. and its share of wealth an poverty. that of course - crime. >> a lot of scope for a person who -- >> no shortage of work, fo covering crime >> tracy mansour it is - the long beach press telegram. she was they trusted her maybe that's why when on november morning - >> contact from the police department came to me in the midst of this sort of pres conference and said, you nee to go to big speed, now. and i was a little taken aback >> taken aback because big

speed was not a name you heard in the crime beat. >> so was very clear to me tha something major was coming going on packed up my stuff, ran out th door, and got to the scene >> this scene wasn't picks b knowles, quiet in affluent leave it to beaver homes and carefully tended tree line treats crime is virtually unheard o there, which is just the way they like it here. maybe that's why, as they grew up, here or moved here, they'd rarely leave like rachel. >> everybody is very friendly, always waving. you don't get that a lot i southern california. >> rachel still lives in the house she grew up in >> we were able to play's kids at all hours of the day. we had nothing to worry abou anyone ever hurting us or -- it's a safe neighborhood >> but then came that november morning, but tracey mans would roll over there in her car >> i had no idea what i wa going, to what i was going t find but i knew based on how i wa told about it that it was gonn be something very bad. >> oh and it was >> i was barely out of my ca

when i saw the homicid lieutenant, the home homicid sergeant, two commanders, an obviously a bank of black an white. so my first thought was ther was offshore officer shooting. or - either an officer had been sho and killed or an officer sho someone. >> but none of that. no what really happened was far stranger than that >> long beach police department >> yes i'd like to report, up, i believe we have an attempted break and going on at th moment >> it was a neighbor who saw it it was the start of some dreadful shock movie it it was 11:03 am >> it's taking place at my neighbors, which is the hous just west of me >> ok, one just west to you >> yes it is the shocker rested is. >> the shopowners, the color next door neighbors. several cops responded withi minutes. >> and as they talk to the one one won't -- 9-1-1 caller, they saw a white dog barking incessantly at the window >> not a very large dog. just a fluffy, yuppie dog. >> a petite framed woman cam to the window to see if what her dog was biking barking at an officer beckoned to -- reckon her to come outside >> she opened the door >> so he's telling her tha they got a call from the

neighbor that they saw a prouder and would it be okay i they looked in her backyard. and looked around the house. and she had said that that was fine >> but hold on, the woman said to the police, let me grab the key, the gate is locked. >> so she closes the front door, walks through the house an walks out the back door. >> three cops waited outside the front door two more cops pulled in righ here, in the alley behind th house. and then, to their great surprise, the prouder jumped over the backyard wall practically into their arms. they searched him. found jewelry in his bag, and taser, and a cell phone, and a knife with blood on it the cops out front waited fo the woman to return. she didn't ten seconds, 20 seconds, did a minute go by they decided, time to go in. they opened the door, looked through the house. and what they saw was not just terrible, but a riddle, deception, a piece of pure evil >> coming up what could've happened in that house? while it was surrounded by police officers? >> i couldn't believe it i thought it was a joke. >> until your father arrived with tears in his eyes >> that's when i knew somethin was wrong.

>> when dateline continues taliban house, and then to the great surprise the prowler jumped over the back wall, practically into their arms an a taser and itself on a knif with thought on it and a knife with blood on it the cops out front waited fo the woman to return.

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that particular november 8th california weather, not quit noon and as usual, it was quiet i bixby knolls, in long beach. quiet and, in that quiet, more menacing than anybod understood as police responding to a call by a proud or waited outside the front door neither they nor that half awake homeowners - as she close the door in their

faces, and when in search of a key to the gate in the yard. seconds tick, by the dog barks the woman didn't return. so the cops, still not getting it went in, too late >> she's attacked and she wa killed right there and the while the police officer was o her. port >> extraordinary. >> yes >> the victims name was a lynn shopowner. they found her quite dead just outside -- they could see the bright re gash across her throat how is it possible the policeman were just outsid her front door and more cops were in aler mode out in the alley. but the only apparent witnes to the silent murder of linda, was lynn's little dog, zoe horrified officers found her lying by lin side, her white coats battered red back at police headquarters, long beach cops, lik undercover man, chris, nelso heard the attack >> we were sitting in th office and we used to have a police radio on in the office, listening into what's going on in the street. >> this was bad. >> we were right down -- the road down homicide and you write a way that thi was turning into a call out, where somebody got killed.

>> now, crisis mode. detective richard brand sa called and said get down there fast >> your first time at that - your first thought at that time you remember but it was >> it's a burglary >> did you have at the sam time a sense of how could we screw up like? that >> like everybody els you're trying to discern why why she did what she did, bu did the officers, say what was a conversation >> oh yes, there were lots o questions. this would be ugly why did she go back in the house? why did the cops let her why didn't they move in faster how could they let the murde happen right under their noses

>> that was really disturbin and, you know, you hate to second judge another cop but there were mistakes made >> after all, a neighbor reported a prouder in the back alley. a prouder who may have sneaked into her house but she, the victim, didn' seem to believe that >> she had a little eskimo dog barking butterflies. and there is no way that there would be a - but >> she was wrong >> she was wrong >> her son, charlie, was a freshman in high school then he was sitting in math class somebody told him that he wa wounded in the principle office, on the way there h thought he was in trouble. and then, when they told him - >> i didn't believe it i thought it was a joke. >> until your father arrived with tears in his eyes >> that was when i kne something was wrong. >> his father, manfred, or fre as most people call, and cam to take charlie home >> how is your father? >> upset he was definitely one -- he was crying.

he couldn't drive. i didn't really have eyes fo him in that moment - >> you are just a mess >> yes >> and charlie still could not believe what he was hearing. >> it really didn't set in until i saw the house and then it all came crashing down. >> his home was a crime scene. >> the house was taped off and there were people going in and out of the house a lot of neighbors around. like everything you see on tv. >> you never think it's goin to be? you >> owe no. it's surreal very much so >> what is that lost feel? like >> yeah, i can't put it into words it was tremendous it was awful i immediately called mark an babbling on the phone, i couldn't even speak. >> mark was charlie's uncle, lynn's brother >> after the initial shock

here is disbelief. then burst into tears righ away, i started screaming, i was just stunned >> linda grew up in ohio, sh was the baby of the family, th only girl. here she is with her two older brothers, john and mark, but lynn was not like them >> she was a tentative girl, where is my brother and i were very outgoing. >> their father died young lynn all often fought with her mother >> codefendant, love hate, cal it what you want >> she got married, moved to

california with a brand-ne husband, it didn't work out, i ended pretty quickly but then one day she went to a ball game, dodgers somebody, who knows, and she found him the right guy, her guy fred shopowner he was almost 14 years older than she was but it didn't see to matter. it didn't hurt other that fred was a successful matt anytime - anyway, this time it clicked they had an intimate wedding o a boat off the californi coast. the captain did the honors and they live together in that house and big speed knows. until finally, after 11 years,

they had a son who grew up to be charlie. as parents, they encouraged hi to try new things. >> it was like - it was the olympics, and w were watching gymnastics and i teach my parents and said, i'm going to do that and i think a month later, i rolled into gymnastics so there it was a supportive environment. >> and lynn doted on her onl son. >> it might be tried to sa this, but she loved him more than life itself he was the center of her universe >> so, after what happened mark flew out to californi right away to come for charlie and fred, and to make funera arrangements for his onl sister lynn. and at the very same time, a if in another world altogether world devoted to the minutia of violent crime, detectiv richard poked around the entrails of this burglary gone bad. he could perhaps ride up a report, and make the bad press go away. but, no richard bird so was

troubled man >> we said something is wrong. we feel like something is, wrong but we don't know yet. >> wrong well of course it was. but the wrong that the detective had in mind was no the grief or the loss of the victor ills thrown at th police no, it was almost like a smell the kind that sticks in your nose, something off. coming up. one of the strangest things of all was the alleged killer himself. not your typical burglar >> in his words, he always wanted to be a cop >> and this was not your typical burglary >> i've been in the burglary division for four years -- >> when dateline continues tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging. ♪♪ allergies don't have to be scary. (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good! how do i love thee? flonase headache and allergy relief. ...let me count the ways. ♪ love can get a little messy... good thing there's resolve. love the love. resolve the mess.

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>> tree lined street, beautifu neighborhood it was a wonderful place t grow up. and i would escape our take my dog around >> he was lucky too to hav lynn for a mother. how did you make you feel? >> as parents should >> safe? >> loving. welcome. they just good >> but now, lynn -- was gone killed in a burglary charlie was 14 and grief stricken, was so angry at th police >> you didn't do your job, how could that happen with you being right? there that negligence. >> charlie was far from th only one this was a broad dayligh murder police officers just outside their front door when it happened i can imagine people would b kind of acts set in th neighborhood, that a burglar had been there >> yes >> and dropped a house, killed women, and the cops can preven it >> right i think the majority of th neighborhood was just stunne and shocked by the violence. how does somebody who is in he

own home die within a matter o seconds with officers al around her home? >> tracy's paper, the long beach press telegram, reported the community backlash there was anger. cops often tend to pul together in the face of a thin like that, but in private, harsh judgments, from th undercover cop, chris nelson >> i'm sorry, but just don't let her go back into a situation like that. police 101 >> so what was - >> the very minimum, you go in with her >> so i was the top around the the department when this happened >> that they messed up >> detective richard birdsal is used to being - used to asking tough questions suddenly had to answer them. >> i had the feeling that th department would adopt a sor of defensive stands at tha point because the question would be, how could you le that happen? >> yes they did. because you're trying to defen

the officers who didn't do anything wrong you're waiting for someone t bring you the key. they waited a short period o time, within a minute, they're yelling for her, ma'am, can yo come back, hello where are you? >> just a minute or so enough freeland to surprise th burglar who stabbed her in the neck, grab some jewelry, and ran into the arms of the police the detective filed around the crime scene. >> we saw the bedroom drawer were open, jewelry, things wer thrown around. so you look at a lot of things in disarray. >> it looked like a standard daytime burglary, gone horribl bad, of, course when lyn encountered the rober. but one thing stood out, like, well, a bloody knife >> i've been in the burglary division for four years bu i've never had one come with a device simply for killing. >> so, time to focus on that so-called burglar. caught with a bloody knife i his pocket his name was nicholas harvey he was 22 years old and this was unusual. >> he didn't have a criminal background, he never had trouble with the law before. >> he seemed like a nice man

>> he was very personable, h wanted to cooperate with us. in his words, he always wanted to be a cop at some point in his life >> and here he is robbing an killing a woman? >> correct >> well he was a persona trailer at a local gym he's a big muscle bouncer of a character? >> correct >> from port hueneme >> port hueneme. >> but that's way up the coast >> yes by ventura. >> in other words, 70 mile from the crime scene but why would he commit robbery from so far away fro home >> that's one of the facts tha immediately came up. >> when detective richar birdsall and his partner's first saw him, nick gave the

an answer that did make sense. >> we came with his initia story, i heard that this was a good area. >> really? there wasn't a good area close to home? well, then, nick gave them another answer >> you wanted to - he wanted to get out of hi area, he looked at the local gym at the area and did martia arts with police officers, h felt like they would recognize him. >> and when he said that, di it's impossible? >> no it wasn't possible a all. >> and one other thing remember how when police arrested him they found jewelr in his pocket? turns out it was fake.

even though lynn had lots of real diamonds, right there t be taken, along with other valuable items >> if you can do a daytime burglary, and kill somebody, you could make the effort to get the good stuff but h didn't >> so either nick harvey was the world's worst burglar, o the burglary wasn't the poin of his visit the detectives pushed him hard but -- >> he did want to change his story. we were at it for hours. we walk out of there saying, this is, done this is what i seems to be. >> just a hunch of course. no way to prove it until, 70 miles up the coast, man picked up the phone to cal the police coming up, a family feud - >> i wrote that letter, signed the letter, i handed it to my sister, and i dared he to give it to him. >> what is that all about? when dateline continues. [coughing] ♪ ...by, you know how i feel. ♪ if you're tired of staring down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, ♪ ♪ it's a new day... ♪ ...stop settling. ♪ ...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy.

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russia, now back to dateline >> detective richard birdsal don't believe for a moment tha he was investigating a burglary for one thing, burglars don' travel 70 miles to break into house. but for all his suspicion, h could not prove a thing. that is until a man who knew nick harvey called the police. and said >> nick harvey came to him and offered him some money to sa can you jimmy downed along beach >> they agreed they met at a parking lot an he drove knicks car. the driver also said that nick told him why he needed to ge along beach. >> nick harvey - local drug dealers out there so he's going out for that one reason >> honestly, he had no ide that the agenda included the murder, said the driver. >> he never knew that he was gonna come down to take someon 's life. >> of course, the guy wa

probably lying so they put him under arrest anyway, his claim that h thought he was driving a dru enforcer did make a lick o sense. the notion that lynn schockner or was somehow tangled up with drug dealers and targetted for execution was frankl preposterous lynn had been leading a quie life for 25 years, married to man with a lot going for him >> he was a wealthy man. >> for years, fred earned to dollar in the aerospac industry, not to mention all the family money that he inherited. >> they were able to affor things that none of us growing up could possibly afford, we were a blue collar working class people and we didn't kno many millionaires growing up >> he bought her things, jewelry that, sort of thing? >> right from the beginnin they bought a very nice home i an exclusive some suburb o long beach that was a step up >> marks remembers flying up t sea limb after she got married >> she was dying to show off her home, show off her new live

>> lynn seemed happy, said mark >> she sat out - i think with special determination, having had he first marriage not last, t make this one work was important to her >> to make a complet family, a desire that only intensified once charlie cam along. >> she wanted her son to be th best person he could be an

would stop at nothing to mak sure that he got that. >> around bixby knolls, they considered it completely norma for them to be an upscal family certainly not the type o people to be targeted by dru dealers. but family members had a slightly more intimate perspective. francis's sister found him obnoxious. >> he was not shy abou dropping hints about the exten of his holdings. >> mark did not see them ver often, he lived way across the country in georgia, but when h did come to visit in long, beach and they went out to dinner, fred always managed to monopolize the conversation an somehow stick mark with th bill >> keep, totally opinionated absolutely self involved >> so, when he invited lyn charlie to visit him in georgia, >> i basically told my siste not to bother to bring him, sh could stay as long as sh wanted, leave her own head a home >> and on one of those visits, mark told lynn exactly how h felt >> i said, how can you let

someone run your life an forget about yourself? >> afterward, he sat down an wrote many of the same thing in a harshly worded letter t fred >> i wrote that letter, signed the letter, i handed it to my sister, and i dared he to give it to him. > di you think she actually would >> i didn't know but she did well >> that took guts. >> it did, it did. one >> and frankly, mark was pleased, one of here is later, after a quarter century of marriage, lynn told him that they were splitting. and fred moved out of the hous in bixby knolls. >> she changed somehow after your father left >> she seemed freer, happier them more able to get excited, just really interested in everythin and very light hearted >> but, her happiness was shor lived. and when mark first heard sh was murdered, his mind went to a very dark place, could fre have something to do with it but as much as he disliked fred, there was no way he could se it >> there were no connections i

their personal life to thi person who committed the crime >> no, it seems pretty clear fred had nothing to do wit lynn's murder. besides, lynn changed the lock on the house after fred move out, could it be someone she hired to install som protection, actually come back to rob her and kill her? after, all such a person would've seen that land ha valuable things around the house in this very nic neighborhood >> the neighborhood ha everything a burglary wanted t find, private yards wealthy, homes -- >> and she had the worst o possible luck in that he picke her. >> yes >> and now the family came together in grief. and when he saw fred - >> we hugged, shared condolences, within five or te minutes, he mentioned th letter he said, do you still believ that i said, no, that's water ove the bridge we need to get on with our family, we need to stick together >> fred moved back into th family home. he and charlie and the rest of the family leaned on eac other.

>> well around the neighborhoo absorbed the news that there i a possible accomplice -- neighbors wondered, were mor people involved? >> there was concern that ther are others that might come bac to more houses and more home and that they were violent >> but that fear soon turned t anger when another bit of news swept through -- the police let the driver go coming up, detectives were convinced nick harvey didn't have a motive to commit murder but maybe someone else did >> my partner discovered tha there was a person that he talked to multiple times right before the murder. >> when dateline continues

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emotions were raw. >> the officers were extremely upset. my understanding was one of th officers who was on the call had a nervous breakdown or a episode alike that afterward because it was so -- too much for him >> detective richard birdsal knew, even as he investigate lands murder, that her famil was angry with the police. >> they were upset like anybod would be, like the press everybody was upset with us. that we didn't do our job to protect someone's life because that's where supposed to do. >> pence has been fred evene threatened to sue the long beach pd for not protecting hi wife and so detective birdsall knew that - more news leaked out and released information about the suspected killer and the released

him and that's exactly wha birdsall did released the man who admitte that he driven the man to th crime scene. but the detective had a plan >> we actually put knock t feed on his phone, we wanted t find out who is talking. two we have the driver, we hav the killer, now we want to fin out if there's more people involved >> detective birdsall don' believe that harvey was dragon for, so hidden by it so he hoped that by releasing the driver and tapping his phone, he coul uncover what was really goin on there was only one problem after he was let go, the drive didn't reach out to anyone >> the only person ever spok to was nick harvey >> the driver was not part of larger group he had nothing whatever to d with lynn's murder >> so he was telling the truth >> it turns out, yes >> dead end. so they kept on digging into next background, and remember, this was a guy with a clea record he came off with a perfectly ordinary young man >> we talk to the family they were all incredulous -- >> next? family >> next family

correct >> incredulous >> it didn't fit his persona they never thought that he would be capable of doin something like this. >> so when you asked his famil about, him how did the characterize i'm >> at that time, he worked out a lot, he was doin steroids, we had one - he was a trainer for the local gin up there and that's all he did. when he was a bouncer at a ball he never really got in trouble >> but for some, reason he got himself in trouble police are trying to figure ou how when they went through his phone records. >> my partner discovered tha there was a person that he

talked to with and multipl times right before the murder. >> frank woo jaramillo >> frank jaramillo, aka el cubano we an odd person ecologist before committing a murder and less, of course, he was in on it. how to found find? out >> step, one says chris, nelson go back to nick harvey. lean on him. >> you have to talk to this gu before he gets rained. because once he is arranged, you are screwed. he's gonna get an attorney, hi attorneys gonna tell him t shut up >> just what's birdsall and his partner were thinking. so they confronted nick again, now two days after linda's murder >> you need to be full truthful with my partner and i right, now because it's only gonna you know benefit you t tell the truth this is getting uglier and uglier >> we went out it won last time he reiterated it almost exactly what he said before. >> which was that he kille lynn edge schockner because th burglar he tried to carry ou went bad the cops still didn't buy. it >> you need to take nic into responsibility now. take care of nick, now please. and tell - be truthful with us. because we are not gonna sto nick >> and that's when the story

started to change. >> i might as well break - it >> i was hired to hit the house. i don't know why i don't -- i deny ask >> that, is set, nick he was hired to commit a burglary one that depending on what h could steal, might prove ver profitable >> what's the amount you wer promised >> what was in the house, plus 20 $500. >> bs, said the cops he was hired to kill and they knew it because those phone record told a very different stor than he did. and finally, nick harvey cracked. >> when we were in the car h said, yes, you guys are good you got. me >> just like? that >> just like. that and then he cops out. >> yes, he said frank jaramillo, the gu the call el cubano, hired hi to kill lynn schockner gave him $2500 up front, promised 2500 more when the jo was done

why would i commit a murder fo him easily 2500 wa questionable, but a bigger question was who was this el cubano really, and why would h pay a guy to kill a housewif in long beach? coming up, there is always the husband, right but in this case, police didn' seem to think so >> the detective was very quic to share me that - they have no suspicions of that >> when dateline comes continues. huh, huh, so did their dog roger. ♪ ♪ gain scent beads keep even the stinkiest stuff smelling fresh.

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simpler said had been. ugly nick harvey, in exchang for just $5000 was to kill a long beach housewife named schockner, stage it like a burglary, and get away clean instead, nick was in jai

facing murder charges an detectives were wondering abou a conspiracy nick had already told them tha he had been hired by a man called frank jaramillo, wh went by el cubano. >> he wanted the job done. and the burglary staged >> nick met el cubano a a restaurant where he said h was paid half upfront. >> would you do with that money? >> i will moved so i had to bu a bunch of new bedroom stuff >> he spent the 2500 o furniturefrom a store called the couch potato but when the time came to earn the rest of his money, to kill lynn, he said, for a moment, h got cold feet. >> truth be told, when i got there, the i didn't want to do it one at all in fact, when i was sittin there, i was sitting actually, back by the door and i was - where the messed apart is actually - thought >> that's when he went into something like fight or flight mode, he said he killed. her and then he quickly ra into the house, pulled out som drawers, grabbed some jewelr

to make it look like a burglary, but then when he escaped, to his horror the cops were, or appeared, to be waiting for. him so, then listen to this, harvey had a question for th detectives >> can i ask you guys question i don't know if you guys can answer, this how are you guy there so fast? >> neighbor. there's people in th neighborhood someone saw you get out of the car. did you know the cops were eve out there? >> not until i got back over the wall and i saw the van and when i saw the, van i gues that's when, i said this i gonna be a setup >> that is, he thought he wa being double crossed by hi friend, frank, aka el cubano that's why he decided to stick to the botched burglary story, he said. maybe he would just get second degree murder, and once he got

out of prison, he was going to find frank and -- >> take care of him myself >> the detectives played along of course, but nick dream up any conspiracy made him. happy but meanwhile th requisition was el cubano' phone records. and they found something surprising >> he was talking t nick, harvey but he was also talking to the husband >> fred schockner? >> fred schockner. >> fred schockner, lends husband of 25 years. on the surface, it didn't make much sense after, alfred had been cooperative with detective since day one. and, yes he had moved out of the family, house but he tol them that the break was amulet he she is my best, friend he said and not long after the murder, young charlie sought out birdsall and whispered a cruel question >> does my father have anythin to do with this >> truly remembers what the detective told him >> we he said that - he was quick about it.

that if they have thought that they would've looked into him, and not to worry about that. >> is that what detectives really believe well, no >> we have to sit there an look at him in the eye and say well kate -- let you know if he is. involved >> but not say we suspect. >> exactly >> they believe they couldn' tell charlie, or the rest of the family, but they wer discovering. afraid that fred would find out, stop talking to them so charlie stayed at home with his father his uncle mark was allowed even encouraged to believe that fred was not involved even as the detectives wer getting the real story from th hit man. nick harvey. >> do you know who talked to e cubano regarding this? >> yes >> who did >> her husband >> so, doesn't that mean you can know you can now go out an arrest him and >> we wish, it's just

conspiracy statement, i have no facts it's a statement fro one. person >> that person, nic harvey, was an admitted killer and demonstrated liar. and with the police department under so much scrutiny, they didn't dare arrest anybody wit solid proof. just think of the scandal on top of everything else, th prosecution failed they did find frauds busines card and frauds wallet, bu that wasn't enough either. meanwhile, the public, lynn' family, would be encouraged to believe that it was a case of burglary gone bad. a murder that cop should'v prevented. >> i can go out there an defend my department as much a i wanted to. >> you can say anything? >> and i can't tell the press, i can't tell - you can't defend ourselves because we have suspects o interests are the ones we ar

looking. at we don't want them to get lawyers. >> so inside and outside the long beach media, the pressure was. on >> my department was one of the -- we have a black, i the press was just beating us up daily a to what we did >> so the clock was ticking. detectives wanted to prove the murder and they needed to do it fast. >> that was the whole, gam trying to play cotton, miles trying to get more, we wante to get them to, talk t communicate. >> but, it wasn't going to happen, by the look of it even though they kept talking to fred. >> we kept going to th husband. >> playing dumb, of course but hoping he'd panic and call was el cubano. >> i one point to recallin each other every day but try to give them a reaso so that he would be more suspicious than he was already >> one more. sir >> just like colombo, on

more sir >> this was a game but with deadly consequences deaths also has a way of bringing people together lynn was a private woman, very - had very few friends beyond he son charlie. and yet -- >> we had a big service fo her. it was amazing how many people came out for her it was with nice i just remember i, at that point, i couldn't even cry i was still depressed an shocked. well i felt bad for that for a long time but -- >> well, that's pretty normal. >> yeah. >> did the tears gum >> yeah. it took a while, but they did. what >> meanwhile, detective richard birdsall was chippin away at the case but far too slowly for the likes of his bosses at the lon beach police departments, stil under fire for not preventin a. murder the detectives had foun some connections among the three suspected conspirators but not nearly enough to go to

court. >> when you have to go arres everybody. i'd love to. but do i have probable cause no, i don't really i have to prove. more >> and you couldn't eve say that either one of those people was a suspect >> correct one and i was 16 when i started, i was five two when i finish there was so much pressure t do it and make arrests >> coming. up fred and frank finally star talking. >> we had 60 plus phon conversations between them >> are you doing bud >> it has been a rotten, rotte time >> but will it help detectives catch the killer >> when dateline continues ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... [coughing] ...copd sitting down. ♪it's a new dawn,...♪

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estranged wife lynn. but they still don't hav enough evidence to make an arrest so the detectives kept droppin in on fred, all very non threatening. and then finally, they asked him if you have been to know anyone in the port hueneme area that's where nick harvey lived fred said, yes he did. the man he knew, he said, wa frankie jaramillo. just a guy he met one fran managed a gym in long beach. in fact, set for it, he bought a used bmw from frank, for $25,000. and frank was going to deliver the car when he returned fro an overseas business trip. in new delhi of course, from from records the cops knew perfectly well that frank, aka, elk about, wa in fact at home. about 50 miles north of long beach, and with -- but fred kept talking. and there was more chatter - more than $100, 000, which mad sense given what detectives ha already learned about frank. >> he had a fetish for watches living a lifestyle of the rich he really didn't have an full-time job. >> but if frank thought he was taking advantage of fred, th detectives believed it was jus the opposite

>> i think fred schockne wanted to own frank on som way. >> so we already had $100,000? now, he's on the hook, big-tim to fred. and he says, to get off th hook, you got me - >> correct >> then, swipe swipe clean >> yeah, absolutely -- >> so, and the detectives view fred was the mastermind, using his financial leverage to -- who in turn hired nick but fred still didn't know the cops even suspected him, h didn't have any idea for example, that they were tappin his phone. so one fred actually began calling the cops to play mr. cooperative, he recorded every word >> hello, officer. this is fred schockner >> hey, how are you doing? >> so, there has never bee anything as bad as this in m life and then, i hope they neve will be.

>> i don't blame you >> but you ask me up a coupl of questions, and i'm gonn give you some information. >> okay. >> the check that i wrote to frank was cashed on octobe 29th >> for $25, 000, okay. that was for the bmw >> that was for the bmw. >> look at this, on the check, there is a note that indicates the bmw, be delivered betwee 11 seven and eight lynn was murdered on the 8th o november >> i called him today and aske about the status of the car on the voice mail okay >> you called him today, did you happen to ask him if he wa

back in the country -- >> know, i just left a voice mail >> okay. >> does this sound like freigh 's heavy fun 20 with the cop -- >> and other questions that yo have for us at this time >> happy fishing >> why is it going so long that's a good question because the fishing isn't answering, right? >> well, like i said, you know i told you from the beginnin it's a pretty simple case. >> yeah. >> hold on a second, the other line is ringing. >> amateur the conversation, fred got another call, fro frankie jaramillo. fred puts him on hold, and continues to speak wit detectives even offering a theory about the color, mccarthy. >> you know, the kid from port hueneme may have been someon that was associated with the lock change. it may have been someone associated with someone she me and try to help. >> exactly >> fred hung up with a detective, and picked up his cell phone to talk t

jaramillo. that call was also recorded. >> hello, did you hear a lot o that >> - >> okay, good. >> i don't need to talk abou it >> okay. >> how are you doing, but? >> it has been a rotten, rotte time >> there's so much sympathy an so much activity surrounding it it's unbelievable. >> just as the cops have bee hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involve in the murder. >> we had 60 plus phon conversations, between them. >> and tapping them all? >> we are tapping them all >> but they just didn't slip up so it was time the detective decided to launch th undercover squad led by chri nelson >> i was armed with informatio now. nick harvested the homicid guys and then they told me,, i you are frank and fred, your biggest concern is nick's top. >> yeah, of course

you wanna make sure he's not gonna say anything - >> first, detective nelson decided he'd go for broke by phoning fred schockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. >> so, how did you go abou doing this >> i went to county jail i was one of their inmat phones because i wanted to pre-recorded - >> you are receiving a cal from a california institution, blah, blah, blah and he hung up on me, i thin the first time they ask you if you want t accept, and he said no, click. and then i waited about five minutes, and i called hi again. >> at this time, fred took the call >> i said, on the guy that did that work at your house fo you. i said, well, i'm gonna need m other half i'm gonna need my money. you know, for an attorney. and he says, you already hav it

>> i said, no. and he said, well you need t talk to your guy >> your guy, you can only mean frankie jaramillo. but he didn't say the words. he didn't say anything incriminating. and so, he try something different, much riskier. can you get uncle john involved? >> coming up, hey, frank >> yes >> frank, hey. my name is john. >> detectives set a trap >> i'm the one that can keep - you're gonna give me money >> although frank -- >> is more an acquaintance, don't know, i we don't hav money to help him out. >> when dateline continues join me in the finish 24 hour challenge. start by cooking a lasagna. skip the rinse and load your dishes. 24 hours later when your dishwasher is full, let finish quantum clean your dishes. if the stains aren't gone, your lasagna is on finish. there's nothing like hitting the waves. there's nothing like volunteering.

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evidence to arrest him for leanne's murder. so, they decided to focus on suspected middleman, frankie jaramillo, el cubano undercover cop chris nelson ha a plan to set a trap, to mak frank believe he was about t be fingered by the hitman, nic harvey so he'd phone frank, and portray himself as - >> relative of knicks with a past of my own not perfectly lacking cops i'm the one that can keep nick quiet. and what are you gonna give me an exchange for that you're gonna give me money >> afraid frank would recogniz the trap and hang up on him, detective nelson elected t make up a very unthreatening persona. >> so i thought, well, i'll be uncle john you know, that his mother sa down from the bay area, to see what's really going on, an whether harvey got himself int that >> so, uncle john places a cal to el cubano >> hey, frank. >> yes >> frank, my name is john. >> now, to set the trap, h said nick needs money for lawyer >> he seems to think you are fred, and will help them out he didn't want a publi defender >> okay. >> frank tells uncle john he knows nick, but -- >> he's more unacquainted. i don't really know i don'

have money to help him out >> first, friend doesn't see to take the bait >> yeah, it might be if i ca help him i understand i would. i'm sorry that i apologize, can't. >> then carefully, uncle joh reels him in >> he seem to think that i somebody didn't reach out to him, he told me not so much you, but she told me to tell, hav you tell fred that if he didn' get some help pretty soon, h was gonna go to the cops >> okay. >> give me a call tomorrow we'll see what i can do to hel you out -- >> but, after all that frien did not make the all-important and incriminating call to fred schockner, asking for money. and so, the very next day, uncle john tried again >> hey, did you get a hold o fred >> no, but between you and i, don't mind taking care of him, bud. >> frank asked for time, and agreed to meet uncle john in person, to hand over som money. >> do you know where the thousand oaks mall's at? >> thousand oaks mall? >> it's off line road. >> yes, off the 101. >> lynn road the irony was apparently lost. it was mid morning lat november detective nelson was worried would he show up >> he was in a parking lot b himself, and you kind of g over - sure, your heart race is a little bit you feel like everybody is kin of depending on you to get thi done and you wanted to go well. >> so the idea is you really like a fisherman, there ar times that you don't kno what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen?

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what's gonna happen? so the instant heat of the thousand dollars, he knew yo had him. >> 12 days later detective bir sal's partner played a visit and snap the trap shut >> they basically told him who's this guy john. so i said given some money, said i don't know we are talking about. >> i never met any guy named john came over later whoops >> yeah, who is the -- of the century >> and i realized to a cop >> yeah, and he hung his head, and he looks sick. i think the whole world came crashing down at that point. >> i could see a look at his eyes like a deer and a headlight, then he started giving it all up

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schartner was cut down i iran-backed, or killers behind bars but our, husband fred, was still free man, and back in th family home, miss charlie, the person, dark long beach was in the dark, no one seriously believed, but the police now firmly believe, that frien schartner ordered a hit for hi wife's own murder. >> never in my wildest dreams, even after she was killed, because the circumstances, nothing pointed at fred. and the police, did not poin of fraud >> they had the reason >> we used to have, and a lo of respect, you feel guilt because beating it up, and they're upset, and they have n idea that charlie was one wh said the whole thing up. >> well, remember, maybe som

idea >> we always had our suspicions >> despite the fact it was a burglar, and the police that was a burglar? you still suspected your father? >> you notice suspect some o that, it is all takes and stuf that seems wrong >> start of a team is, tha when they surveyed it after it was ransacked, during burglary >> what does that do to your mind >> made me very numb very numb. is it test, and i didn't, went to bed. >> and her dad went into the bed in your house with you >> charlie, understood his father intimately, of course but he alone knew the secret

understood his father in a way that had been hidden from th outside world for years. charlie may have looked like any other happy summer kid, bu it, home he said, he understoo normal life to be the constant expectation of moments o terror frequent, unpredictable rages, abuse, a mother desperatel trying to protect him. >> so i want to be with th belt, and she cried try to vented and outproduce argument within them. >> how often >> often enough, that is a child, i knew what was going on >> now is, normal so i don't know is wrong. >> you thought all familie were like that >> until i had someone com over into that, they noticed stuff, is weird for them t those, things and to comment o it yeah, it was always just that's what families did

>> year to year, it went, on said charlie, intel's mother came into whisper her ow secret she is finally going to leav forehead >> my mom is taken in a nigh when i talk over so, and she was talking about a shoe state of doing this, and that she wa so nervous about doing it. >> she did know if it is ver choice, or what to do about it >> what did you think? >> i first thought was ver excited, because it is great t be able to think of being able to get away from him >> and then finally, more than a year later, when hired famil law attorney lisa bryant >> what did she tell you she wanted from you? >> she wanted a fair divisio of the property. >> fred controlled all the finances >> so she didn't know how much money she had as a family. >> now >> why did they have as family >> including equity in home, probably six to 7 million.

>> which, in a legal separation by california, la would be split down the middle >> she said lynn told he friend were never part with an of that money. when also told her about friends physical abuse, and so with the pending separation, lisa worried about lin and charlie safety >> she wouldn't leave her home she would disrupt charlie, i is starting in high school of the neighborhood for every. -- >> southport was she's really at risk or, lif actually that. >> if he's gonna kill me locally.

restraining orders will stop him. through late, now, of course what about charlie but detectives weird about his safety, cause brother mark, -- even though that's hallmar about their suspicion. >> perhaps fred had more pressing things to think about every, isn't he patrolman th plane to georgia, just in time for the main event of th murder investigation >> he's under arrest as a ledg middleman, time police he took money from lindside's been, lot of it, and used a little bit to hire the killer, nick harvey and, then frank agreed to help set a trap for the suspected mastermind, red shock me

>> wait a, minute did yo promised him anything? >> no. >> so i will do it >> i think it is, might becaus it got him on everything, else he's trying to dig himself a whole. >> or maybe franklin understan how deep the hole was. as undercover cop frank nelson preparing for his big meetin with friend. l cubana got a call from his wife >> he said i'll be home later, he actually thought he was going home even told, me i didn't kill a. i almost wanted to slap him an go, no, you decide somebod else to. >> well he must have known, ye big blind indefinite to know that >> we used to laugh like, is this guy for real? he got the answer machine. >> hi, you've reached th schockner. please leave a message after

the tone, and we will get back to you have a great day, goodbye. >> hey, i'm trying to come b and see you, i want to get a few things straightened up, appreciate it, - >> friend, picked up the phone >> hello >> they agreed to meet, 7:30 i the, evening at a loca restaurant >> i try to be there on time >> some two hours later, frank where in the same hidden camer detective used to catch him, ought to the, restaurant t meet fred schachter. >> i said i'm, up but they can run the audio, and we got table, a couple tables away, through this to make sure he didn't run >> we wanted to see everybody' reaction, and we have of cours the audio, we have a surveillance team outsid listening to everything.

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moment to nearly a month of painstaking investigation, detectives had engineered face-to-face meeting between frank permeable, and the suspected mastermind, lynn schachter's husband, fred. this is where frank quit attempt to give a friend to sa something to incriminate him self except fred was late and they finally realize the were laying a trap, 7:30, 7:33 7:35 nothing. he didn't show, this could all

fall apart then, a signal from th surveillance van there he was >> the guys outside saw hi casing the place, to make sure it is already really paranoi about being set up and he came in with a snow pad >> heldman, how are you feeling? >> now, all eyes were on frank and fred >> and they, both at this point, look like they've been - he is tired looking, and you can imagine the amount o stress they must be goin through. and then the old man, wh didn't look like he was doin particularly well either >> did he look frightened, o something? >> yeah, they both look scared they both looked like trappe rats numbering ship, you know? >> and, as they, feared wright was suspicious he sat, down said not a word but he had written something o his notepad. >> some, point they look to th

note, and it said are you wired? >> i'm not >> i thought he was going to walk i thought, this guy is going t come to his senses, and realiz -- >> turnout, and walk out of th restaurant >> but he didn't >> he stayed >> and, they talked. fred trying to get him to admi his role fred, reflecting his attempts. >> you know, you and i would not be sitting here if you don't want linda killed. you know that. >> i don't know what you'r talking about. >> but frank kept going adam and fred finally went somethin slip >> i'm scared, fred, i understand you are scared to >> it's understand, we would not be in this position, if it wasn't for that. >> that's true and if it hadn't been sloppy o next park.

>> fred referring to mic harvey, a hired killer, for th first time, connecting himself to linda's murder, but frank kept going after, him as if he knew he needed more. >> we wouldn't be here i pleasant for you, it's not a question was done is done. >> he's doing the, favor iff believe topping a cut, that's, that he's doing a term for you >> matt like watching i'm no old mary couple arguing back and forth about whose fault it was. but of course, this argument i deadly serious

-- i had to say it's more you problem. fred was very suspicious o frank and asked a few more times if he was wide and frank, frustrated, now tried to goad him. >> i killed him? usain i called him >> he said i call them, wh wanted her dead? >> who wanted her dad. frank argue like a man, who wa an acting. tensions in a reach breaking point.

>> keno fed, when she just gone? and thank you very much. and i'll tell not the same have a good evening, fred, wanted to leave but. have a good evening. thank you for everything whatever money i owe you, i'll pay you back,. i asked this simple question you cannot answer. it, and just as fred was walking away, frank gave it on last shot. while she amid waited wrong. haven't done anything wrong. >> okay, and i did everythin right? >> that's what you told me o the phone. you need to quiet next family, not mine >> i don't have the cash t quiet next finally, that i your moment cash so if you want to get the cash i'll go back to you, and you can do what you want

>> and that was it maybe not exactly the word detective birdsall hoped t hear but after weeks of dead ends and intense pressure, gettin fed on tape saying those things, finally made his case. >> what was the mood in th plan, you are staying in >> this raises other, somebody because now you're scared. he waited for an all clear fro the detective, and the waite -- stop fighter reminisce more. putting frank in a ver uncomfortable spot >> there is nothing anybody ca say. >> he wasn't able to complete stop, and, soon fed will b

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to jail. and fred fred did go home, under th watchful eye of the undercover cops, who also conducted a thorough search of the restaurant, for those note fred burnt they found nothing nor did fred contact anyon else for anything. and, so the next morning >> when you showed up, i 9:0 in the morning, in the pajamas i haven't slept a lot that night. >> we shocked? worried? >> i was very shocked, and ver wary while we are there. my response was we are here to rescue >> when they searched his house? they found one last piece of evidence, in a trash can one of those notes at fred scribbled in the restaurant. sloppy nick, it said >> he didn't throw it is trashing time. >> now across the country in georgia, charlie got the news >> yeah, i was another kind of

happy moment, to be honest >> that's quite a place to get to, and life when you're happy that you father's been arrested for murder for the murder of your mother, mind you >> yeah, no one wants to actually say, oh gosh yeah that's a good thing. but after everything growing u with him in the house, it seem like a little bit of justice almost three years after linda's death, the three men charged with her murder finall went on trial. and detective richard birdsall and kris nelson, both retired, now where there. >> it was nice to see a case all the way through, and see it, in my opinion, to see people get what they got coming t them >> you get a special look from them >> when we walked in the, cour only when they look good tha day, like rested in fine, is

nick harvey. >> you can tell that he ha come to terms with what he done he knew he was never gonna see the light of day again -- they look really beat. >> they're so different thre of, them there are ver unlikely trio, of criminals. >> wendy thomas russell, reporter for the long beac press telegram at the, tim covered all three top trials >> nick harvey was first >> i would have to say he wa more brandon brain and i don't mean that to b insensitive, but this is the guy who took the witness stand in his own defense, and he said, that he aspire to be a hit man >> he said that on the witness stand? >> what did you think. >> i said, you're not th

brightest ball on the marquee. >> no kidding. >> so we toyed around with being a hitman, that he ha idolized a hook as a child, an then he said that he had taken starts to get bigger and stronger, and it is very har for the jury to have sympath for him. >> and they didn't, the jury found him guilty of about 35 minutes, first degree murder and burglary next, was frankie jaramillo. >> he said he wouldn't hav done it, had schockner not threatened his wife and his in laws >> so he did it out of fear, then >> he said, literally on the stand, that he had sacrifice his life for his family. when we all know that he had sacrificed limb schockner life for his pocketbook >> the verdict

guilty of first degree murder. and now it was fred's turn >> and, the man had aged a least ten years, he looked s frail. >> but, this wasn't over jus yet, when manfred schockne took the witness stand, he tol the, jury he can explain everything do tell. >> coming up >> he was very defiant and completely maintained hi innocence. >> will a jury believe him >> i had a moment of jus sitting there, i just starte crying, with my family >> when dateline continues t starts by temporarily delaying ovulation—and you can resume your regular birth control right away. i've got this. ♪♪

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charged with punishing the murder of his wife took the stand in his ow defense. >> he was very defiant, an completely maintained hi innocence, until the end in the face of thi overwhelming evidence, h maintained his innocence >> it was all a tragic misunderstanding, said fred. he didn't pay for murder just for a used bmw. and all those calls to his alleged coconspirator, e cubano, he said they wer pocket costs and they proved nothing. the jury had to consider all possibilities, naturally, an there is no shortage of nerves among members of lynn schockne family charlie, just 17 years old tha day, watched the jury file bac in >> it's lawn order and everything at their, he sa there, and everyone comes in and you hold your breath, th world kind of stops, you don't

know what the outcome is because they have all th power. whatever they say is either th truth or what's going to be th truth. >> a lot of butterflies in you tummy? >> ganja, he looked their face for some sign, waited nervousl for justice for his mother >> what was a like to hear the words? >> i mean, emancipating. it is just unbelievable >> the verdict, guilty, first degre murder >> i had a moment to sit i their, i just started crying, hug my family. >> you know it is interestin you say, how about family, because somebody doesn't kno the whole story might say yo just lost your family. they don't know the whol story. >> yeah, no, having my mothe side of the family and her two

brothers with me, it is amazing. it's what family should be they were all there for me >> the judge allowed charlie t adjust his father in court >> i had this whole like speec for parried, this is like vindication of everything, but i was so angry, and just shaking, not really able to ge my words out, i'm i should say i'm no longer sun, a complet view do this, and you're going where you belong >> it would be a pretty scar moment, a nervous making low frame. >> it's terrifying and now there is actually gonn happen but this was combination of everything. >> that's just a lot o emotion. >> i'll see a way of sayin about him. >> yeah. >> her all, this french ocular

maintained his innocence in fact, even before his trial began fred did carry out a threat he had, right after the murder he lost a lawsuit against th long beach police department for not protecting his wif lynn >> he went to the city, an filed a claim, which is precursor to a lawsuit, agains the city of law long beach blaming the long beach polic department, for not preventing the murder of his wife, becaus they had not follow proper procedure. >> wait a, minute it's their fault because they didn' prevent me from killing my wife >> that's, right exactly >> a claim was rejected, and now, on the day of the sentencing, he tried the sam argument again >> that is the judges response to, he called it sophistry, an he called him a disgusting human being, i did not mince words.

>> he was sentenced to lif without parole, a lower. >> if you, sentences when yo think the motive in this murde was. >> money >> wow, in one word apparently >> for whatever reason, thre or 4 million was not enough, for manfred schockner. he wanted six or eight >> even from prison, manfred schockner fought to keep it al for himself. father's own son, his own blood, trying to prevent charlie from getting his share of the schockner estate and even though charle eventually granted some of the money, fred kim millions fro self, although matt high managed to spend it in priso was unclear. we wrote letters to all thre of them, nick, harvey frank ou meal, and fred shocking, are asking to hear from them, what happened federal back, and said he wa convicted on highly skeptical, circumstantial evidence, and

that there should have bee more than enough to prove my innocence. >> there, now it is 30, call us he has matured in prison, he says, was mad at the world bac then, but found god now. but, listen to this. though he takes full responsibility for what he did he's also been nursing a strange and very lonel conspiracy theory. >> i've always believed th police were involved >> you mean, they intentionall sent back there to be killed >> yes >> you know still believe that though >> look, i'm not a big believe in coincidences, especially in situations like this >> lots of time to think i prison, about things like that but also, about charlie. >> oh, charlie, what i did t charlie has caused everything.

whether nick knew it or not -- is in the hands of his uncle mark, received a commissio from lynn before his murder. >> if anything happens to, m take care of my son. >> and, he did how do you feel about that >> love him. >> >> i was like back in th moment is the greatest gif i've ever received, from a man who i still hate more than any person i've ever known my wife and i didn't hav children overrun, i've got a son in the world >> it's been great, they'r

great i love them so much. >> and, so it's that strange way, out of unimaginably evil, and, lost him love a real family, unexpecte blessing >> what's it done for yo personally having him in your life. >> it's like getting another life like somebody opened a door, and said here is your chance >> good reason to get up in th morning. >> damn straight a reason to live >> mark and susan are now hi mom and dad. he has taken their last name and charlie? he's more than survived. he is thriving >> i'm going somewhere, and i' going fast >> he got his masters, and landed his dream job, in theme park design. and, he has learned, in spit

of everything, that rarest o lessons, to accept and move on >> i know it happened, i kno it's influencing, we - >> but there is one thing that finds him. his mother's character and that follows him everywhere >> others ethereal, she holds very special place >> just everything you think that's good, everything yo think of his kind, everythin that is just great about the people, that's what sh embodied,i carry that with me. ♪ this sunday, risk management after the collapse of two u.s. banks, washington moves in to stop a widening panic.