the farmers but donald j trump. i got 28 billion dollars -- i saved up tunnel, and i made farmers happy and rich gun. and they're doing a fantastic job. and you know what? someday, it will become time for them to leave this beautiful earth, and they'll be able to leave their farm without taxes to their children. i got rid of the dot tax on firearms so that when you do pass away, with the assumption that you love your children, you can leave it to them and they won't have to pay tax. but if you don't love your children so much, and are some people that don't, and maybe desperately slow, it won't matter, because frankly, you don't have to leave them anything. thank you very much, have fun. [silence] >> i've watched that clip many

times, but i just don't know to do anything but left. thanks for watching. we'll be right back here next sunday at 8 pm eastern, you can now find the show on the msnbc hub on peacock. new episodes of the mehdi hasan show posted during the week on peacock. now, it's time to handed over to my friend richard louis, good evening, medina i do richard. awe know you love your children, -- great to see you mary, thanks so much. -- coming up a name, in the trump grand jury in manhattan is expected to reconvene this week. i will be joined by democratic congressman eric swalwell in just a moment. plus, exclusive nbc reporting on rhonda sentences presidential oscillations and why should republican donors are afraid to lead their support as of today? and we will head to mississippi to get an update on recovery efforts after deadly storm there and what president biden is doing to help the region. let's get started.

another week has come and gone since -- wait to see if an indictment will actually come down in new york city. but in that time, trump has gone from making predictions and -- manhattan district attorney alvin bragg has been receiving death threats over his investigation into donald trump's alleged role in the 2016 hush money payment made to adult film star stormy daniels. now, those threats came on the heels of a series of social media posts from trump, including one warning of quote, death and destruction. if you are to -- one post featured split screen stills as well. trump holding a baseball bat next to an image of alvin bragg. that post a since been taken down. trump's lawyers, joe tacopina, talked about these threats. take a listen. >> again, i am not a social media consultant.

i don't, i think that was an ill-advised post that one of his social media people put up and he quickly took it down when you record -- >> here's the thing. -- it's not like this is a possibility that trump's rhetoric creates violence. it has already happened once. are you not concerned this could happen? >> well, i am not accepting that proposition that his rhetoric created violence. >> donald trump might have a lot of thoughts online but he is taking a different opponent in person. nbc news correspondent -- asked about the details of the multiple investigations that he is facing right now, on the plane back from his rally in waco, texas. speaking of that investigation, as that man hunt grandeur is expected to reconvene tomorrow, there are new -- special counsel jack smith. the judge has ruled that the white house aides, including marco meadows and stephen miller, must testify to a grand jury investigation to overturn

the 2020 election. that same judge ruled that trump's attorney evan corcoran must testify as well to a grand jury investigating trump's handling of classified documents. showing joining us now to -- democratic congressman eric salk dwell, california, member of the house judiciary committee. representative thanks, for being with us. you know, it certainly has been another week after trump's unsubstantiated arrest claims. no indictment that we have been hearing from here in new york city from the da. yet we have seen it increase and death threats that have been described to delve and brag. tell us more about how trump's -- post shake -- >> donald trump's post, richard, are exactly, moving back up, donald trump's posts are inspiring the acts of violence that are being carried out in his name. the threats. violence. and this is exactly what donald trump wants. i have zero faith that he is

going to drop -- this guy has priors going back to canada trump with this -- i have a lot of faith, though, that the criminal justice system will survive this test where former president is under multiple investigations. and by the way, this is not for anyone to celebrate over or destroy for. our justice system affords donald trump if he is a criminal defendant, every right to every other person in the justices i'm has. which means equal protection under the constitution and dual process under the law. >> with your experience with a veteran trials, where do you think these particular cases are now going? -- we thought something would happen this past week in new york city, with jack smith, who is moving straight ahead. you can see he has been ex scribe in the introduction to our conversation, he is still undergoing yet more testimony. who do you think we'll break first in terms of who will be indicted? >> hard to say.

they are all serious though. the more serious ones, of course, involved in january 6th and donald trump and fighting the mob and aiming the mob at the capitol, and then of course, trying to put pressure on election officials in different states. and then obstructing the effort to investigate that. and then the sense of top secret document and striking the effort to -- those are the most serious, in my experience as a former prosecutor, it will take time to put those together. prosecutor knows that you almost have to be bulletproof. that is not the legal standard, proof beyond reasonable doubt is the standard, but donald trump is going to put an absolute pressure campaign, a public pressure campaign on any of these charges and so you are going to have to make sure that you can really knock out any element of each crime in front of the jury. but again richard, at the end of the day, we can't control what donald trump says. he is going to be hearing more violence. but as leaders, we cannot

condemn the violence. i invite my republican leaders who have been absolutely silent on this to condemn what donald trump is doing. jim jordan, for crying out loud, was asked about the threat the other day a any said yeah, he didn't -- so he couldn't read the threat. he didn't have. it is time for us to be adults. stand up for not a party, but a country. because this is serious stuff. and we have seen where's rhetoric has -- >> that is particularly relevant given your statement, what you do here in the house. look at what the republicans are doing. they are reaching out into the state of new york and trying to get into the middle of the case. >> you are just mentioning, as a prosecutor, was there something you've never seen before, the a bragg last night responded to republicans attacks on his investigation. yet reaches that they've been making, in a tweet to congressman jim jordan, alvin bragg laid out that it is not appropriate for congressman to enter -- impending local investigations. it is very unprecedented here. we do see alvin bragg, the da

in manhattan, having to respond to federal lawmakers repeatedly asking him if he could provide information, data, testimony. again, evidence that is not relevant for the federal government. >> -- asking bragged to -- would be doing -- charge by a grand jury hearing. because you would be betraying a law that says you are not allowed to discuss that. but again, they don't care. by the way, kevin mccarthy also oversees a -- of government. we call them instruction justice committees. jim jordan's leading and i can't think of a greater recommendation of government that congress to involve itself in local, a local prosecution and this is all because mccarthy speakership survived every day on a corrupt bargain that he struck with matt gains, marjorie taylor greene, jim jordan, george santos and

others. he has reoccurring payments almost every week to stay in power. he has to be silent or enable this type of destructive behavior, rather than being in adult and speaking out against it. >> representative, i want to move to what happened yesterday in waco, texas, during trump's rally. he played a song titled justice for all. if future crier made up of january six defendants. it also had imagery of the insurrection on the big screen that was on the stage there. what does this signal for 2024? and what can democrats do to counter the narrative? >> i will tell you what it signals. he won't win a grammy for this. but, he is glorifying violence. richard, i come from a republican family and i have blood others who were in law enforcement. for many decades, republicans would beat democrats up, saying they -- backed the blue and democrats don't. well, democrats have stood with the january 6th officers. this effort by trump is an

effort to really race it. my republican colleagues are absolutely silent. republicans in congress, kevin mccarthy -- called a witness that in the past two months tweeted out at the cops. so this is no longer a party that back the blue. they backed the coup. and they show that every single day. and it think it is so important for us again, to be the adult in the room, to condemn this, to -- where most americans live in to show that community will win over chaos every single day. >> representative swalwell, thank you so much. looks like you have a lot of reading were a lot of video watching to do. i can't tell which. >> this is townsend her -- in the bay area. unpleasant. >> all right we'll, get to it as they say. thank you representative swalwell for -- danny develop, -- former congresswomen at msnbc -- donna edwards. donald, let start of this. and what democrats can do, given the rhetoric, the

violence behind potentially -- you have seen the pictures that we have put on they are so far today on msnbc. what can democrats do to slow the heat, for the heat on this? >> well, the responsibility of republicans to lower the heat and control their candidate from inciting potential violence. i think that the best thing democrats can do is continue to highlight in their leadership, especially on these oversight committees, the, what happened on january 6th. continue to call it an insurrection and continue to highlight. i think the differences between democrats who are supporting the rule of law and republican party that is adverse to the law, from the white house i think that president biden needs to focus on being president, running on his agenda and let the food fight

happen among the democratic, among the republican party. >> i want to shift gears just a little bit here. we were talking about representative swalwell here and that is the legal side. trump lower joe dr. peña argued here and i network that there is no campaign -- here because trump's own personal funds were used to pay off that daniels. your thoughts on that? it >> is a viable defense. obviously the opposite side of that coin is that you can argue, this is going to be the prosecution's theory, trump knew everything that was going on, he signed the tracks. michael cohen did everything he did at his behest. but of course, tacopina's approach is a viable defense. if the prosecution is not. essentially the test is, if a payment is made in part for anything other than to benefit the campaign, and in this case tacopina argues that michael cohen essentially put on the record that he did it at least in part to save --

and then there is not a in scoops of purpose to a the campaign. that is what you need under campaign finance laws. so, i mean, it is a point to be made and it is something reasonable -- you can see your jury saying oh, come on, give me a break. this was, and i heard this argument, this was the eve of the campaign. the campaign was everything. this was right around the time that the, i can't say it on error, but we all know the videotape that came out. the audiotape they came out from the -- so, it would stand to reason that he would make this payment to benefit his campaign. but again, tacopina knows the law and he is correct. if it was for any other reason, in addition to benefiting the campaign, then, arguably he, that is not enough for a campaign law, campaign finance law violations. and by the way, that is all he needed to bulk this up to a felony if that crime brought is falsification of business records. there are a bunch of other crimes that the da office is

looking at. >> danny, while we are on this topic, given top peanut being out in the media and based on the tone that you take with him -- put that together with what is happening tomorrow. the manhattan grand jury is set to reconvene. are we now in the week? >> if i had a nickel for the last couple of weeks for everybody who -- are either area? are we there ye? it has felt like a long drive with kids in the back asking when will we be there? the only difference being, with gps i know when i will arrive at my destination. we do not go. and even tacopina said in interviews, -- as close to it he can get, three he doesn't know. granaries are secret. they are designed that way to make them effective -- and other peoples names, maybe targets are subjects, aren't planned or their names aren't salina necessarily if charges

are never brought. that is the system. so the downside of that system is that we don't usually know when the grand jury is finished its work. but i can tell you this. after that last witness, they still had to get educated on the elements of the law. and they still have to deliberate. it is much less formal than a -- trial jury, when they, deliberate but it is something they have to do. that could take a little more time. >> hey donna you, you know, the way that trump was portraying what he is going through right now at the rally yesterday, the first rally of the presidential season, if you will, he called himself a victim of the ongoing investigation that he is facing into crime and quote, weaponization of the justice system. is it that? is it also that he is really nervous right now? >> well, i mean, trump is in deep trouble. if -- with this be the first indictment that i would want to come forward? no. but there are going to be multiple of them i anticipate.

what he is trying to do is rally his troops and his base so that they continue to support him. and he needs that. look. i think that trump has to be very worried. he doesn't want to be indicted but he also sees a political advantage to, with his base, if in fact that happens. >> all right. danny, i owe you a nickel tomorrow. thank you so much for your time. donna, please do stick around. next, growing concerns within the republican party about ron desantis's presidential aspirations. helps restore gum health, and rehardens enamel. i'm a big advocate of recommending things that i know work. want a worry-free way to kill bugs? zevo traps use light, not odors or chemical insecticides, to attract and trap flying insects. they work continuously so you don't have to. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. nicorette knows quitting smoking is freaking hard.

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signals he may not be ready for brutal primary fight against the former president. among those with concerns, richard -- and his wife elizabeth, who donated half 1 million dollars to the desantis's reelection campaign. -- hot right now quote, the brakes are pumped. former congresswoman donna edwards back, joining our conversation is -- former republican and former political consultant, -- michael singleton show on syria's xm. has a nice ring to it as well. hey donna, you are looking at this reporting, is this showing, we will talk about desantis, that he has had a couple of difficult few weeks and there has been some questions about his social skills, he has had to feel the taxes from donald trump, u.s. support from ukraine. here is the governor still putting on his training wheels? or is he just not built for this? >> well, i think the jury is still out on the.

the real problem that ron desantis has is that he can't decide who he wants to be when he grows up as a candidate. does he want to be a trump lookalike or does he want to carve a different path? and one of the things that he is finding is that if he gets down there in the mud with donald trump, donald trump is likely to come out clean. and ron desantis will have mud all over him. so i think that this is going to be a really important period. ron desantis has not been -- on a national stage. and there have been several of these -- misstep, comments there, and i think it is going to be very problematic for donors if this continues. so he has got a long way to go before he got -- 50 state campaign and take this away from donald trump. it is pulled numbers are sinking. bulk >>, well, go back to that possibility. 24 or 28 and in either case, is

this about trump not being strong? if that is 28 then it means of trump winning -- or he is just not going to win in 24. >> yeah, look, i think whether or not trump wins in 24 or not, richard, i think 28 gives ron desantis a better possibility for the republican party to move on from donald trump. for two reasons. if trump wins, his base will be happy. the republican base will be happy. if he loses, you will be able to say you know, we give him another shot, in 28 trump will be significantly older. so there are a couple of factors i think -- time to select a new leader to lead the party forward. with that said, i think desantis, along with other republican candidates, have a serious problem. how do you defeat donald trump at this primary? if you attack him, your members will go down. if you don't engage him at all, you may be viewed as too weak to gain the nominees for the party. so it appears, for the most

part, that donald trump will indeed become the nominee of the republican party. i was advising the governor of florida, richard, i'd say wait until 28. you still more time to get out there more so that the american people and generally republican voters and swing voters, can actually see what ron desantis 's views are on many issues. not rhonda santas -- donald trump. >> you heard it donna. he it is inevitable, i guess. -- donald trump is at least. one -- university poll here you are alluding to. that desantis's support dropping over the last month. why do you think that is happening? when you look at these numbers. is it because of the topics were just crossing? >> well, donald trump on this stage takes up all of the oxygen. and so to me it makes sense that ron desantis has been able to insert himself in the conversation. it has all been about responding to trump. i think inevitably, when the

base voters take a look at the -- trump is going to mean by a guy. and desantis is not my guy. so i think these polls are early but they are adjudication that it is headed in the wrong direction for ron desantis. >> let's just log on to the fire at this -- tonight and they were reporting on a couple of polls for public opinion strategies from march 21st in the 23rd. but it actually shows that desantis read some early -- strength in yes, iowa and new hampshire. and in fact in iowa desantis is up by eight points. and head to head, even 30 9:39 in new hampshire. what do you make of that shermichael? >> look, richard, i think some of those polls are pretty obvious at this point. i say that for this particular reason. ron desantis is a number two

guy. he will have to go out after donald trump. just some of the capacity you see his poll numbers increase. you are also going to have to potentially be several other -- attacking him versus trump. because they want to see their poll numbers rise. and now you have a guy who not only has to go against the number one but you have to go against several other individuals who want to be the number one guy. and whether or not ron desantis has what it takes to fight off all those individuals in the republican primary remains unseen. so when i look at some of those early -- ohio south carolina in and carolina you're looking at the numbers and saying you or know what, i don't see how desantis could -- enter into the race which is why i am saying that you could -- randy in the base want to give trump another opportunity. and as investigations continue

to get more in the media, trump's numbers grow. -- an affront on trump but also against them. so all of these benefit guess who, donald trump. >> donna. so desantis hasn't declared but president biden hasn't declared. although we are just waiting for desantis's case for the numbers to get better. or they are also maybe just waiting, let those four illegal cases beat up donald trump. they don't have to say a thing. that will do all the work for them right now. >> yeah. except those legal cases are going to go on for the duration and so i don't think that any of the candidates can wait for that. i think president biden is trying to figure out when he wants to get in. he will be the nominee as the democratic party and he'll be able to go around the party and counting all the things that he and his administration have done for the american people. especially around infrastructure and around the inflation reduction act.

and so that has not been issued. what is the problem is that for republicans -- -- because the more donald trump is out there the more off the job he takes up in the field. and the last opportunity we are going to have to get their voices out. case and point. this is nikki haley. she has all but disappeared from the conversation. >> in the specs the question why? we can discuss that later. our panel is sticking around. good thing. on the sunday literature in the hour. next up communities in mississippi and alabama are recovering from that deadly tornado outbreak. dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles have patented gel waves that absorb shock to hard-working muscles and joints, for all-day energy. postmenopausal women with hr+ her2- metastatic breast cancer are living longer with kisqali.

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that app. let's bring back our panel. great to see donna and shermichael. you know donna, let's talk about this tiktok caucus. who will they hurt more? democrats or republicans, coming election? >> if tiktok gets banned. >> let's just say this. first of all, the users of tiktok, they are universally very young people. i think the concern that was expressed is, at least on the -- committee was not about a ban necessarily, i think people haven't gotten there yet, but about privacy concerns of, for children. for those up to 18 years old. so, i think that is where the conversation is going. seems like there was much more universal concern about privacy in the committee. and i think all of us should be concerned if we have young people who are using a platform that so many lawmakers, that

seniors don't really quite understand. although, i have been on tiktok before and i understand it. but, there seems to be a voice for young people. so i think it is trying to figure out what the balance is and here is where i do think that we are going to end up with some legislation, particularly dealing with privacy. >> sure michael, are we actually going to -- we have seen other social conferences from ceos to show up there. and not much happened right after. is this going to be different? why might that happen as we are now talking about it, as donna was mentioning, drafting limit dodges like should to limit the ban of the app. what do you think? >> remember facebook and cambridge analytica? mark sharp greenberg have a very embarrassing testimony for -- it didn't go very well. nothing has come from it since. that said, i will go -- there are some serious data

privacy, national security concerns. i also think about censorship and misinformation. we saw what happened with facebook. an american owned and rent company, madrigal have been with one that is chinese based. and i think that it is best not have any expectations that the chinese government, which really does have complete control over their country, if they wanted information from vyvanse, the company that owns tiktok, i can guarantee their audience that they will get that information, whether or not tiktok one state and that over. i will also say, finally, you mentioned the youth. tiktok has quite a few viral videos that have turned on -- should also be concerned about. >> donna, i will play -- richard houston from thursday's hearing. this is what he had to ask the tiktok ceo. >> does tiktok access the home wi-fi network?

>> only if the user turns on the wi-fi, i mean -- >> so if i have the tiktok app on my phone, and my phone is on my home wi-fi network, does tiktok asks access that network? >> you have to access the network to get connection to the internet. if that is the question. >> so, the staffers made they -- didn't fully understand, maybe in the way that tiktok works, but more importantly there donna, this is again a, topic that congress does not seem very well versed in, writ large. -- social platforms. comment on what that representative said, as well as why aren't we doing what europe is doing right now, why aren't we studying up and just doing what they did and doing it for the united states? >> well, i think this is a first step for congress, trying to understand the platform and how it works.

and to come up to the extent that they are legislating -- the president and the administration, regular 30 to regulate, or putting in place, some privacy restrictions. look. i am concerned that the chinese and, as shermichael said, if they wanted they could ask for all of that information from vice stance and we have no control over it. so i want to -- national security concerns. but private concerns are about our young people especially a, turning over all their personal information to the chinese communist party. >> sure michael, 15 seconds. -- santa mehdi, we are not gonna go through all or -- which i was just talking about, which happened seven years ago? >> yeah. i actually read about that. we should. but again, the differences we are talking about an american

company. this is a chinese company. even if you have firewalls in place on your home internet or your corporate internet, the chinese government has the capability to reach those firewalls. that is my greatest concern. so in my opinion, the only answer is to ban it. we have a lot of visibility in the united states. if we ban tiktok, some other company will create another version of it for the united states. -- >> all right, former representative donna -- shermichael singleton, thank you very much. great conversations tonight. nebraska state senator mikaela kavanaugh has a unique strategy to block an anti-trans role interstate. so far, it is working. the senator next. don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy, long lasting relief in a scent-free, gentle mist. (psst psst) flonase. all good. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein.

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