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week. i'll be joined by eric swalwell in just a moment. plus, exclusive nbc reporting on rhonda santa's presidential aspirations, and why republican donors are afraid to lend their support as of today. and will head to mississippi to get an update on recovery after some of the deadly storms there and what president biden is doing to help the region. let's get started. another week has come and gone since donald trump claimed that he would be arrested and we're still waiting to see whether an indictment will actually come down in new york city. but in that time, trump has gotten from making predictions to launching some dangerous attacks. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg has been receiving death threats over his investigation into donald trump's alleged role in the 2016 hush money payment made to adult film star stormy daniels. now those threats came on the heels of a series of social

media posts from trump, including one warning of, quote, death and destruction. i fear you are to be charged in the case. -- trump holding a baseball bat next to an image of alvin bragg that has since been taken down. trump's lawyers, joe tacopina, talked -- take a listen. >> again, i am not a social media consultant. i don't, i think that was an ill-advised post that one of his social media people put up and he quickly took it down when he we realize the rhetoric in the photo -- >> here's the thing. -- it's not like this is a possibility that trump's rhetoric creates violence. it has already happened once. are you not concerned this could happen? >> well, i am not accepting that proposition that his rhetoric created violence. >> donald trump might have a lot of thoughts online but he is taking a different opponent in person. nbc news correspondent -- asked about

the details of the multiple investigations that he is facing right now, on the plane back from his rally in waco, texas. speaking of that investigations, and that as the manhattan grand jury is expected to reconvene tomorrow, there are new -- special counsel jack smith. the judge has ruled that the white house aides, including marc meadows and stephen miller, must testify to a grand jury investigation to overturn the 2020 election. that same judge ruled that trump's attorney, evan corcoran, must testify as well to a grand jury investigating trump's handling of classified documents. joining us now to -- democratic congressman eric swalwell, california, member of the house judiciary committee. representative thanks, for being with us. you know, it certainly has been another week after trump's unsubstantiated arrest claims. no indictment that we have been hearing from here in new york city from the

da. yet we have seen an increase in death threats that have been described to alvin bragg. tell us more about how trump's -- post shake -- >> donald trump's post, richard, are exactly, moving back up, donald trump's posts are inspiring the acts of violence that are being carried out in his name. the threats. violence. and this is exactly what donald trump wants. i have zero faith that he is going to stop. a leopard doesn't change its spots. this guy has priors going back to canada trump with this type of record. i have a lot of faith, though, that the criminal justice system will survive this test where former president is under multiple investigations. and by the way, this is not for anyone to celebrate over or destroy for. our justice system affords donald trump if he is a

criminal defendant, every right that every other person in the justice system has. which means equal protection under the constitution and dual process under the law. >> with your experience with impeachment trials, where do you think these particular cases are now going? -- we thought something would happen this past week in new york city, with jack smith, who is moving straight ahead. you can see he has been ex scribe in the introduction to our conversation, he is still undergoing yet more testimony. who do you think will break first in terms of who will be indicted? >> hard to say. they are all serious though. the more serious ones, of course, involved january 6th and donald trump inciting the mob and aiming the mob at the capitol, and then of course, trying to put pressure on election officials in different states. and then obstructing the effort to investigate that. and then, the theft of top secret documents and striking the effort to -- those are the most serious, in my experience as a former prosecutor, it will take time to put those together. prosecutor knows that you almost have to be bulletproof.

that is not the legal standard, proof beyond reasonable doubt is the standard, but donald trump is going to put an absolute pressure campaign, a public pressure campaign on any of these charges, and so you are going to have to make sure that you can really knock out every element of each crime in front of the jury. but again richard, at the end of the day, we can't control what donald trump says. he is going to bring more violence. but as leaders, we cannot condemn the violence. i invite my republican leaders who have been absolutely silent on this to condemn what donald trump is doing. jim jordan, for crying out loud, was asked about the threat the other day and he said yeah, he didn't -- so he couldn't read the threat. he didn't have. it is time for us to be adults. stand up for not a party, but a country. because this is serious stuff. and we have seen where his rhetoric has taken us before. >> that is particularly relevant given your statement, what you do here in the house. look at what the republicans are doing. they are reaching

out into the state of new york and trying to get into the middle of the case. you were just mentioning, as a prosecutor, was there something you've never seen before, the alvin bragg last night responded to republicans attacks on his investigation. yet reaches that they've been making, in a tweet to congressman jim jordan, alvin bragg laid out that it is not appropriate for congressman to interfere with impending local investigations. it is very unprecedented here. we do see alvin bragg, the da in manhattan, having to respond to federal lawmakers repeatedly asking him if he could provide information, data, testimony. again, evidence that is not relevant for the federal government. >> kevin mccarthy is asking bragg to -- would be doing -- charge by a grand jury hearing. because you would be betraying a law that says you are not allowed to discuss that. but again, they don't care. by the way, kevin mccarthy also

oversees a weaponizing of government. we call them instruction justice committees. jim jordan's leading and i can't think of a greater recommendation of government that congress to involve itself in local, a local prosecution. and this is all because mccarthy speakership survived every day on a corrupt bargain that he struck with matt gaetz, marjorie taylor greene, jim jordan, george santos and others. he has reoccurring payments almost every week where to stay in power, he has to be silent or enable this type of destructive behavior, rather than being an adult and speaking out against it. >> representative, i want to move to what happened yesterday in waco, texas, during trump's rally. he played a song titled justice for all. it featured choir made up of january six defendants. it also had imagery of the insurrection on the big screen that was on the stage there. what does this signal for 2024? and what can democrats do to counter the

narrative? >> i will tell you what it does not signal. he won't win a grammy for this. but, he is glorifying violence. richard, i come from a republican family, and i have brothers who were in law enforcement. for many decades, republicans would beat democrats up, saying they backed the blue and democrats don't. well, democrats have stood with the january 6th officers. this effort by trump is an effort to erase it. my republican colleagues are absolutely silent. republicans in congress, kevin mccarthy -- called a witness that in the past two months tweeted out f the cops. so this is no longer a party that back the blue. they backed the coup. and they show that every single day. and it think it is so important for us again, to be the adult in the room, to condemn this, to live in the center where most americans live and to show that community will win over chaos

every single day. >> representative swalwell, thank you so much. looks like you have a lot of reading were a lot of video watching to do. i can't tell which. >> this is townsend her -- in the bay area. >> all right we'll, get to it as they say. thank you representative swalwell for -- danny -- former congresswomen at msnbc -- don and. what's donald, let's start with this. and what democrats can do, given the rhetoric -- you have seen the pictures that we have put on the air so far today on msnbc. what can democrats do to slow the heat, for the heat on this? >> well, it's the responsibility of republicans to lower the heat and control their candidate from inciting potential violence. i think that the best thing democrats can do is continue to highlight in their leadership, especially on these oversight committees,

what happened on january 6th. continue to call it an insurrection and continue to highlight, i think, the differences between democrats who are supporting the rule of law and republican party that is adverse to the law. from the white house i think that president biden needs to focus on being president, running on his agenda and let the food fight happen among the democratic, among the republican party. >> i want to shift gears just a little bit here. we were talking about representative swalwell here and that is the legal side. trump lawyer joe -- argued here and i network that there is no campaign -- here because trump's own personal funds were used to pay off stormy daniels. your thoughts on that? >> it is a viable defense. obviously the opposite side of that coin is that you can argue, this is going to be the

prosecution's theory, trump knew everything that was going on, he signed the cheques. michael cohen did everything he did at his behest. but of course, tacopina's approach is a viable defense. if the prosecution is not. essentially the test is, if a payment is made in part for anything other than to benefit the campaign, and in this case, tacopina argues that michael cohen essentially put on the record that he did it at least in part to save embarrassment to trump in his family, then, if there is not an exclusive purpose to aid the campaign -- and that's what you need under campaign finance laws. so, i mean, it is a point to be made and it is something reasonable -- you can see your jury saying oh, come on, give me a break. this was, and i heard this argument, this was the eve of the campaign. the campaign was everything. this was right around the time that the, i can't say it on air, but we all know the videotape that came out. the audiotape they

came out from the bus. so, it would stand to reason that he would make this payment to benefit his campaign. but again, tacopina knows the law and he is correct. if it was for any other reason, in addition to benefiting the campaign, then, arguably, that is not enough for a campaign law, campaign finance law violations. and by the way, that is all he needed to bump this up to a felony if that crime brought is falsification of business records. there are a bunch of other crimes that the da office is looking at. >> danny, while we are on this topic, given tacopina being out in the media and based on the tone that you take with him -- put that together with what is happening tomorrow. the manhattan grand jury is set to reconvene. are we now in the week? >> if i had a nickel for the last couple of weeks for everybody who -- are methane? i mean that yeah? it felt like a long drive with the kids in the back asking

when we will be there. the only difference being, with gps, i know when i will arrive at my destination. we do not know. and even tacopina sudden interviews, and he's as close to it as he can get, he doesn't know. and the reason is granbury's or secret. the design that way to make them effective, so that witnesses will come in, and other peoples names, maybe targets or subjects, aren't slammed or their names aren't sullied necessarily if charges. are never brought. that is the system. so the downside of that system is that we don't usually know when the grand jury is finished its work. but i can tell you this. after that last witness, they still had to get educated on the elements of the law. and they still have to deliberate. it is much less formal than a -- trial jury, when they deliberate, but it is something they have to do. that could take a little more time. >> hey don, you know, the way that trump was portraying what he is going through right now at the rally yesterday, the first rally of the presidential season, if you will, he called

himself a victim of the ongoing investigation that he is facing into crime and quote, weaponization of the justice system. is it that? is it also that he is really nervous right now? >> well, i mean, trump is in deep trouble. if -- would this be the first indictment that i would want to come forward? no. but there are going to be multiple of them, i anticipate. what he is trying to do is rally his troops and his base so that they continue to support him. and he needs that. look. i think that trump has to be very worried. he doesn't want to be indicted, but he also sees a political advantage, with his base, if in fact that happens. >> all right. danny, i owe you a nickel tomorrow. thank you so much for your time, donna, please do stick around. next, growing concerns within the republican party about ron desantis's presidential aspirations.

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>> has ron desantis missed his moment? it's a question being asked by some of his own allies this week. at a recent gathering of 16 prominent republicans, the number of desantis supporters discussed whether the florida governor should run against donald trump in 2024, or wait until 2028. they are worried desantis's recent stumble on his book tour signals he may not be ready for brutal primary fight against the former president. among those with concerns, richard -- and his wife elizabeth, who donated half a million dollars to the desantis's reelection campaign. a person familiar with the strategy says, quote, the brakes are pumped. former congresswoman donna edwards back, joining our conversation is -- former republican and former political consultant, also the host of the michael singleton show on sirius x m. has a nice ring to it as well. hey, donna, when we're looking at this reporting, is this

showing, we will talk about desantis, that he has had a couple of difficult few weeks and there has been some questions about his social skills, he's had to feel the attacks from donald trump, u.s. support from ukraine. his the governor still putting on his training wheels? or is he just not built for this? >> well, i think the jury is still out on that. the real problem that ron desantis has is that he can't decide who he wants to be when he grows up as a candidate. does he want to be a trump lookalike, or does he want to carve a different path? and one of the things that he is finding is that if he gets down there in the mud with donald trump, donald trump is likely to come out clean. and ron desantis will have mud all over him. so i think that this is going to be a really important period. ron desantis has not been tested on a national stage. and there have been several of these missteps,

ukraine was a misstep, comments that, and this is gonna be very problematic for donors if this continues. so has a long way to go before he can prove that he can run a 50 state campaign and take this away from donald trump. and his poll numbers are sinking. >> well, michael, go back to that possibility. is it 24 or 28, and in either case, is this more about trump not being strong? if it's 28, that means that trump wins in this coming election, and is not strong enough to win in 28. or isn't just not gonna win in 24. >> yeah, look, i think whether or not trump wins in 24 or not, richard, i think 28 gives ron desantis a better possibility for the republican party to move on from donald trump. for two reasons. if trump wins, his base will be happy. the republican base will be happy. if he loses, the base will be able to say you know, we give

him another shot, in 28 trump will be significantly older. so there are a couple of factors i think -- time to select a new leader to lead the party forward. with that said, i think desantis, along with other republican candidates, have a serious problem. how do you defeat donald trump at this primary? if you attack him, your members will go down. if you don't engage him at all, you may be viewed as too weak to gain the nominees for the party. so it appears, for the most part, that donald trump will indeed become the nominee of the republican party. i was advising the governor of florida, richard, i'd say wait until 28. you still more time to get out there more so that the american people and particular republican voters and swing voters, can actually see what ron desantis's views are on many issues. not rhonda santas -- donald trump. >> you heard it donna. he it is inevitable, i guess. -- donald trump is at least. let's gauge that university poll you're alluding to. and desantis's support dropping

over the last month. why do you think that is happening? when you look at these numbers. is it because of the topics we were discussing? >> well, donald trump on this stage takes up all of the oxygen. and so to the extent it makes sense that ron desantis has been able to insert himself in the conversation, it has all been about responding to trump. i think inevitably, when the base voters take a look at the -- trump is going to mean by a -- he's gonna be my guy until he's not my guy. and ron desantis is not my guy. so i think these polls are early but they are adjudication that it is headed in the wrong direction for ron desantis. >> let's just log on to the fire at this -- tonight and they were reporting on a couple of polls for public opinion strategies from march 21st to the 23rd. but it actually shows

that desantis with some early state strength in yes, iowa and new hampshire. and in fact in iowa, desantis is up by eight points. and head to head, even 39-39 in new hampshire. what do you make of that michael? >> look, richard, i think some of those polls are pretty obvious at this point. i say that for this particular reason. ron desantis is a number two guy. he will have to go out after donald trump. in some of the capacity you see his poll numbers increase. you are also going to have to potentially be several other -- attacking him versus trump. because they want to see their poll numbers rise. and now you have a guy who not only has to go against the number one, but you have to go against several other individuals who want to be the number one guy. and whether or not ron desantis has what it takes to fight off all those individuals in the republican primary remains unseen. so when i look at some

of those early -- ohio, south carolina, new hampshire, nevada, you're looking at the numbers and saying you or know what, i don't see how desantis could -- enter into the race which is why i am saying that you could -- randy in the base want to give trump another opportunity. and as investigations continue to get more in the media, trump's numbers grow. -- an affront on trump, but also against them. so all of these the dynamics benefit, guess who? donald trump. >> donna. so desantis hasn't declared, president biden hasn't declared. are they both just waiting for ron desantis's case, for the numbers to get better? are they also may be just waiting, let those for legal cases beat up donald trump. they don't have to say a thing. that'll do all the work for them right now. >> yeah. except those legal cases are going to go on for

the duration, and so i don't think that any of the candidates can wait for that. i think president biden is trying to figure out when he wants to get in. he will be the nominee of the democratic party and he'll be able to go around the party and touting all the things that he and his administration have done for the american people. especially around infrastructure and around the inflation reduction act. and so, that is not an issue. what is the problem is that for republicans -- -- because the more donald trump is out there, the more oxygen he takes up in the field. and the last opportunity we are going to have to get their voices out. case and point. this is nikki haley. she has all but disappeared from the conversation. >> that begs the question why. we can discuss that later.

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seconds, so takeoff, screaming -- >> i was looking for my family. and when i saw my oldest sister, i started crying because she had lost everything too. that is the very oldest one. and when i came here to my emily, she was my second oldest sister, i just went into tears. i just went into tears because of the fact that i thank the lord that he saved my family. he saved my family. >> that was msnbc speaking to the families there. one of the twisters was classified as an ef4. it left a path of destruction as it travelled. 59.4 miles. according to the

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and now the question is, how do we move on? the community is coming together to do just that. >> she has been there all this weekend. she also spoke with a woman, belinda williams, who lost her sister in the storm. this is what she said. >> they found her laying there. he raised her and he lifted her from the ground. her shoulders, he shook her. no response. he called her name again. no response. he laid her back down and he picked her back up. finally he should clear again. no response. he said, here she is. when he said, here she is, i knew she was gone. i just lost it. i just lost it. >> again, msnbc's yasmin vesuviana on the ground. she will be there all tomorrow -- right here on msnbc. and at the

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community, or both republicans and democrats together grilled him on whether the app owned by chinese company -- potential interference by china's government. some democrats are warning this push to go after tiktok could backfire politically with younger voters. new york democratic congressman jamal bowman told my colleague, maggie hassan, just last hour, this. >> hundred 50 million americans who use tiktok. most of them young people. i have ten-year-olds in my district to follow my tiktok, and lots of colors, because that's how they learn about how things work in congress. so it's a powerful tool not just for democrats, but for our overall democracy. >> -- gen z voters are concerned about chinese influence on tiktok. 53% of them oppose a ban on that app. let's bring back our panel. great to see you. you know, let's talk about the

tiktok caucus. but they hurt more? democrats are of a publicans, from the election? if, again, tiktok gets banned. >> i'll say this. first of all, uses of tiktok, i mean, the universally, you, know very young people. i think the concern that was expressed, at least on the energy and congress mers committee, was not about a ban, necessarily. i think people haven't gotten there yet. but about privacy concerns for children.

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