good day. i'm kris t(jansen. we have breaking news out of nashville, tennessee. it's happened qagain, a school shooting,!vhis time atñiçó cove school, a private school for pre-k through sixth grade, the victims are just kids.tk"pwe ex the next few minutes. here's what we know now. vanderbilt medical center has

confirmed three pediatric patients were transported to a children's hospital at vanderbilt. all having suffered gunshot wounds. all three have beenxd pronounce all three have beenxd pronounce dead afterok metro police confirm the shooteq is now dead as well.fá you see the sceneñi outside thaó school. worriedi]lp t(parents, some of able to take their kids who survived. former fbi supervisor rob d'amico is with us. i want to bring int( j cavanaugh. the fbiq memphis field office hs responded to the scene. we havei] confirmation. what do you make of what you're seeing and what is the first order oflp businessxdlpq for th? >> the fbi is there to assistlp the locals. it's a largeçó pd, they'll need some evidence response team help. we have a great victims assistance that will help because it's añr!u■jf tremendout of pressureq on a local department to go throughq all

that. they will assist in any way they can and put out whatever they need to. the local pd will be in charge. the big thing will be trying to you're a member of that):m community as we see axd motherx with a little girl withxd bows her hair in her arms. >> it'sok a heartbreaking ç■mñ

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there will be a lot of heartache in nashville tonight and there'á a lot of worried parents. there's a family center set up about a mile away down at the?; christian church atçóó[■ woodmo boulevard, hillsborough road. that's where parents are supposed to gather. it will be a tough day around here for everyone. >> we just got an update. in addition to those three children who have died, two

adults have been killedfát( as . that confirmation coming in. i do want to say,lp educationa5 week, which much of thev talked about the safety of teachers and theyzv■qq have a s shooting i]tracker. e■ according to that schoollp shooting tracker, there'sw3 bee 12 school shootings this year that resulted in injuries or death. 156 since 2018. this would be the 13th school hooting this year. talk if you will, jim, about yor mentioned all the agencies and familiarity with the people who run them because of living there. what do theyt(çó do? when do the questions have to start? >> you want to go back andi] do psychological autopsy on the killer. the reason for÷ that is --ñr th will be no phoáecution, of course, that's qobvious.q we want to get whatever information we can gather to

stop the next !u■shooting. the little we can gather from the search warrant of his home, his vehicle, postings on the internet. what can be gatheredçó to use t stop the next one, if we can act. the fbiq did a great report on active killers. what they said was 77% of active killers leak -- they leak prior to their crime. they post it on ñimedia, they s it took a fellow student, they tellñr co-workers, they getxdçó arrestedq for it, they tell relatives that want to conduct a mass shooting, they say they dream of mass shootings, yet we don't interrupt these people and we haven the ability to do this. we could interrupt, of the 77%, we should be able to interrupt 1 many, many more of these if the legislatures would gs/qw3 us th laws to do it.xd you know, i say the one we need is akin to the domestic violence federal #ç)■ that prevents a

person convictedlp of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violenceq cannot ever possess a gun. they can't buy it, they can't go into a gun storebecause they're insta-check, but we need a law that says a person whoe1 threats mass violence or, you know, makes that kind of a statement is thene1çó u/hvicted of thate1 terroristic threat of massçó violence. thatxd prohibits their possessi of a gun. thefá lautenberg amendment from n the lautenberg amendment from federal side to model similar law and ask states to have, you knn, when a mass shooting is threatened, don'tbw5eñ take the person to the psychiatric ward and let them say, oh, i was just joking. if he never spends a day in jail, he's prohibited from buying or acquiring a gun. can he get it of course. a lot of killers don't, they go t.p the gunshot and buy hundred

of rounds of ammo and got( one1 their killing t(spree.lp getting a weapon illegallyr sometimes comes withlp risk. youq may, you know, run upì(lc% against a criminal who is vile when against qyou. you maybe run up against an i(] agent you'reçó dealing with or another undercover officer. there's a lot of risk in that, too. we could make theser congress wasn't frozen to not make thefb■;e1 laws we need. any gun legislation that hits up there, it's a dead letter. it doesn't go anywhere.zv■qq unfortunately the lawsq i am+■ talking about would never hurt law abiding gun owners, unless it's a gun owner threatening massr that's what i would like to see us target, a smart legislation to pinpoint the peoplexd who ar saying i'mt( going to do thisfá stop themxd before they do 5a■i. >> we'll see if wefá get confirmation about the shooter.

theñi shooter has been killed b police on the!5e5at(q'e. a briefing is expected any moment now. i wan4z,■ to bring in someone w hasfá worked big casesu

was it legally acquired, illegally acquired, and what can we learn? the most extreme situation in thatq regard is something thatç we're seeing up in michigan might be collateralw3 prosecutions, butñprá's very important for this community that law enforcement learn theq facts and help the community return to a sense of safety,xd especially in their school. >> what role does the fbi play in that? what role would you expect them to play if any iá1 this upcomin briefing? >> they're

standing by. the chief will be there, the r s.a.c. will be there. peopleó[■ are on t(stand-by. whatever they need they will fill in to do that, especially if it goes intoe1 shifts. the fbi has mass amount of t( shifts, that's onet( thing we d. one thing that came up is how do youxd prevent these? ook out "gift of se? fear" that talksó[■ abot.■q the social norm of notq saying something when you think something is wrong. that has got to change. more people when they hear something, theyñi have to come t and feel free that they can tell someone,ñi tell their parents, tell someone at their school so that it gets looked into. becausefj$u$ose are the things,s they said, it leaks. it leaks out.ñr they want to kind of say something att( points, they probably have. i think the bureau will be good at putting that together saying where didñr he leak that out? how can we prevent it and giving people the understanding thatxd

you can say something, it's not going to mean anything bad. it's just going to look at preventing it. >> in yourfá experience, are the almost always signs? >> there really i]ñrxdare. there really are. and lookfá -- it is.6z■ no onejf thinks their neighbors will do fáqit. ; = havefá four children that i extremely protective of, with sexual predatorss7■ and everyon else,t( i always assumed someon was after my kids, someone will trying to finde1uv to put blame on it, but to get people to understand that you could say something and it could havexd prevented it. >> we talked a bit about with jim theq laws that will inevitably beçóc discussed agai articular littleñr scussed agai kids have been killedçó in thisi shooting.

we5a■ got a statement fr jean-pierre about this. marsha blackburnx$$ápving pleas join us in prayer for those affected. many activists say the time has longxdçó passed for prayers. we will see what happens in the conversation after this.xd governor bill lee of tennessee says he is closely monitoring this situation, that the tennessee department of safety and theñr tennessee highway patl are assisting local law enforcement and first responders at the scene as we continue to respond, please join us inw3 praying for the school, congregation, and r>ár+illeq community. what are the chances, jim xd cavanaugh, that given the shooter was killed byjf offics< there, by police m/vxdthere, th they alreadyxd know who he is?

>> i'm sure they already know who he is. thate1fá happens quickly. we sometimes think about, you y1 know, all thisxl■1 hollywood cs. often we go to the backçó pocke and pull their wallet and driver'3@ó%m people recognizet( them. they might be known to school children there. could be someone related to the school.lp small children can getfá involv in these murders. we had shooters who are young,ç eight(■p graders, it could be a doesn't have to be som who just graduated from the 3o==1■e1 recently can belp invo. it■[ç doesn't always have to be it■[ç doesn't always have to be another it could be somebody over 18.sem but the identity won'tlpe1 be h to establish.d]mujzce theyó[■jf metropolitan detectives and federal agents will go to the

house where they live with a search warrant or consent from the occupants,ok and they'll search and find, you know, the stuffe1 we're talking about. again, this is gleanedñr to!u■ hopefully stwqp■q the next one. you get that information to stop the next one and then we have to act on the information we gleaned to stop the next one. they'll be digging that out today in nashville. of course the gun. the gun will be traced. they'll put an urgent traceçó i. find out where it was purchased, ñ did t acquire the gun. as joyce mentioned, we always look behindu if it washillegally,e1 we will want to charge that person. if it wast( supplied legally at

we're notú prosecution here. the crime scene will be processed.xdok wexdñr go through thi&ñ ritual findl metro police has theñr agents t do çóthis. they won't lack the manpower to do it. we can go in there with lasers and project theçó trajectory of q■ wasi] fired çó trajectory of through every wall. make a map of that.

we can doçó these tremendous things because we do that inxd courtrooms, as do the other agencies. it can be done, but it justi] tje1 yo#■ hollow here b it just doesn't give you, you t( know, alp reason to prosecute.e1 we'rexd keeping our eye on that. are on that shooting at covenant school, we want to go to gabe gutierrez. what haver >> at least three children dead as well as twoxd adults. that dey(w■ toll going up slightly in the last fewjf

it's something we keep seeing over and over again. i'm texting with an official from thefá tennessee bureau ofx invr#+igation who says that the agency willñiñr assist the loca police and they're already on i ! again, we're seeing those awful images on the -- from the scene as welm"as parents -- >> the news mnference is beginning. i'mqñi sorry, zv■gabe. i'll interrupt you. >> therexd will be morep,■ from spot later in the morningfálp w chief john drake andr at 10:13 thisñmorning, thexd police d#:iq5q■ received a call of an activew3 shooter inse

covenant school, covenantfá presbyterian church. they heard shots coming from the second level, they immediately wentq toq the gunfire. when the officers got to the second l éq&, they saw afá the officers eng!%t her.q she wase1 fatally shot byt(q respondingxd police officers. there wasçó a cfive-member teamo was on the -- that was on thet( second floor at that time. twou

she entered the school through a side entrance and traversed her way fromok the first floorx

chief drake will bee1e1 here in bit. now kent( maloney from nashvill fire. >> firexd department crews are dispatched fort( active shooter incidents as well f support but also for an i]rtf response, whichç(rj axd rescue k force response to goi] in alongside of mpd t(response. our crews are there onq the scee to provide medical aid to any áu)(ursj so that we could try ñi life-saving efforts in this case. so, we went in asñr soon as it s safe for our responders to do so, to try tolp provide $mrj that were impacted by this incident and this tragedy. our crews were able to be on scene to pull out those that haá viableq signs of life. those that were stillu

we're nott( sure about the procs that éhvyi] had in place, but w were on scene t>oç help them mitigate anyone from seeingñi z sure that theyt( hear chaos that was surrounding this. so we do have mental health specialists and professionals at that reunification site for both the students and the families that are goingt( toñ be affectey this today. our oem units provided buses to makejf transport from the coven■

schoolu it was difficult for us identify who was just there as versus who was there forxd the in one building. at this time, we were able to get that number of persons t into that reunification site. that's where parents can go to be xdreunited with their studenq thereñi is ai] hotline being se for parents to call. right now that is where they should go.çóqxd 2100 woodmont boulevard, which isxd woodmont baptist church.ñr additionally, we have añi debriefing site set up for on-staff personnel who are working this incident and there are mental health professionals set up therer

there was oneñi police officer that wasw3 injured with a hand injury asñi a result of making attack on this qyt(r"ent.q other than that, there has been responding to this. as don mentioned ñ9ie1earlier, have further updates comingw3 laterxd on in theçó afternoon.jr >>q be 209 students inside the school. approximately 40 to 50 staff members, about çó42 staff membe. i'll take just alp couple ofçó questions. >> justçó soç"it's clear,e1 then dead and the nature ofq injurie, how many injured? do you know? that are being xdtreated? i know first responders 4cmer>çp an officer had a wound cut qt(glass. that is the only other injuryfá that i'm aware ñiof.

>> do welp know the number of students injured or critical? >> the three students shot are deceased. three staff members who were shot were deceased. that's a total of six victims. then you have the shooter who was engaged by two of our police officers, part of a zv■five-a&b team, she is t(t(deceased. there are no otherlp gunshot victims, nonlethal that i'm aware of at the present. >> do you know how many people were shot before the police engaged the shooter? >> no. >> do you knowlp if the shooter was abler >> you don't have any connections to -- [ inaudible r >> we don't know who she is at this juncture. we're trying to identify her. shet( appe=qc■ to be in herqñr . again, with two xdassault-type rifles, one pisujyñiokq

[ inaudible question ]a5■ >> no, i'm not. u0 private school. there was no metro policeñ personnel assigned to that building. >> do you know the two9■ adults who were shot -- >> theruk are a total of threeu adults. three adults who have been fatally wounded. tokay. one of them being theé@■q shoot? >> no. >> let me go over this again. you haveq añie1 tet1■ of six vi. three students who arev three adultq staff members from the school who arev the shooter herself makes q5a■s. >> doñi you know if the threexd adults confronted her? >> i do not. >> is there video? >> there is video from the school that we're viewing now to learn exactly how all of thisxd happened. >> can you say where the victims were located?

were they in theñ hallway or a c')&mi==5ññ >>fá i cannot at!u■ this junctu. five of the six were transported. >> itlpxd is an upper level par the t(school. it's kindxd of a lobby-type are. it was not in axd classroomeyó s"+e0d all right.e1 we'll be back shortly with more detail. we'll tweet out and give you a 15-minute or so notice before h

in this stunning bit of information, the shootert( is female, unidentified, appears to ç a teenager. â have robçó d'amico, jimlp cavanaugh and joyce vance5a■ wi me. 98% of mass shooters are men. in this case, it's a çófemale. let me get your reaction to that to start. >> yeah. it's very rare. it's very rare to have a female shooter. we do have them.çó we had one a few years back at the university of alabama, a female professorxd who pulled o añr handgunxd and killed three people, heri] colleagues at the school. we've had some over the i]years. it's very rare. the shooting in san bernardino with the two terrorists, they were connected withçó isis, al

qaeda. then it wasi] a husband and wif team. they+■ killed 14 people. in that case, the woman did not act alone and she was relatedw3o a terrorist group. it's rare. it's rare. there's been a fewq@xcases. i think years ago in san diego there was one ofq aq÷teenage giv a female t;eáttt shooter and two assault rifles and au we did manyt( news conferences with him. he's very accurate. he0l■ strives to get thexd fact. if he says+■ it's so, you can count on it, two assault< ■ riv and a handgun i believe isq wha he said. thatfá shooter went in there prepared. the fact that there'q] that man people in the school, couple hundred people, children and staff,q this coulgñ have been a carnage of unbelievablet( proportion with two assault rifles.tqtjcpmetro police were

floor in response. don said there were five metroñ officers in there. they get there and theyçó convee right aroundñi -- center right arounda5■ there, you have peopl who work to the east and west of that main road and in that shopping district. they're kind of converging from all directions to get s-ñ that school. to get five officers in çótherei don'tçó know,w3 they said 14q mó killed the shooter. [pjut at some point before that they were in the school and they heard the gunfireko■ upstairs a they responded upstairs and engaged and killed the shooter. s.rj never fast enough. it's hard to beat the trigger pull of someone who has a ñipla. this is a school without an sro, as don said, because it's not a public school where the school resource officer from the metropolitan policet( would be. t e1church-funded school. if they wanted that security,

they would have tooç■3 provide themselves.

they get together and then they go intzj a team. that's what they'rew3 being taught. as little as two, sometimes onmv but fivelp officers showed up, they got to thelp door, made enu andv gunfire. it may have taken them axd litt

bit. something set the call and then they heard shots again. it might have been a few d they got there, theyñi5a■ startv reacting and heard some more5a■d went fáñupstairs. again,s÷urj one of those fáthin, that was -- the old method was they didñi not go in. we figured out getting fire and ems in, evea■ before sometimes that we know allxd the threats e gone helps save lives. she talked about how they went in as a response team, fire equipment and paramedics wearing tactical gear, at least b)t making entry with the police. that is one of the first times i hat well. it sounds like theyñi had gone throughr she was veryçóñr systematic on she went through ñithat,xdñi wh

tells me that that area trains well for this.jf unfortunately it still happens, but theyq@(ajt((sv prevented a lot more deaths as they got in there, went to the sound of gunfire and engaged. the other thingxd that comes fá@ teen with two assault riflmsz ad a pistol. =9m■ ajq not cheap. i guarantee they were probably not hers. i would bexdñi surprised if a t bought assault okrifles. she somehow got them fromxd someone else and prof >> our local team in tennessee spoke to one resident on the ground who wasñr waiting outsid the school.r i want you to list emoti"61■ words.ok >> i thought maybe it was a bomi threat. there was so many poliyext( car. and then thexd ambulances +t■ pullinge1 away from the school. that's when ilp heard there was

scho7lb shooting.i] there's no words. >> i want to bring in the former chief of homeland securityçó an intelligenc ] for washington, d.c. i know you worked with local communities as they respondçó t situations like that. we just heard from ouri] expert who say this was a very specific briefing, the information in that briefing. how important --@veçó also hear by the way, they wereçó telling folks where they could go for more information. this happened at azv■ presbyter school and church.q there's a centert( for parentslt up at the locale1 baptist churc. how important is this for the community in stoppingbát spread of rumors that can often get out of hand in situations like this? >>fá unfortunately i'm sure inxe dark deep corners ofr

internet there are conspiracy theorists saying this is ab.■ f flag operation. i responded to sandy hook, and to thislzi dayfá i still hiv p saying it never happs.a"% i thinklpi] the pm'(s conferenc one of the best i've seen. i'm a student a&u qthis, i foll this and i also teach this.zv■ as some of your guests talked about, there's some reallyx#tjt9 the first thing i want tou re-emphasize is the rapid0l■ response of law enforcement. the five-member$■teqq when i was training as a law enforcement officer, we were trained to go in and stop with one officer, as more officers arrived there were different positions, different5a■ movemen that you would dor$uz add extra officers. so, hearing that theynb■ immediatelyñi responded tu?c th sounds andt( neutralized the threat should reallyoké(■ give of peopleqçóko■i] some people a

on how well and how far we've come with law enforcement. we've seen that happe%a■q inxd uvalde. the other thing is the rescue rj what the fire depa+é task force talkedñiñrñii] çóçóa. i was a firefighter in new york city. we used to have to stay outside the hot m5ne,ok not even close the warmú]o■ and wait for law enforcement to bring victims w3 out. but their job is to find the baó in this particular case, the bad actor, the bad female and neutralize them. meanwhile there'sxd victims layg there essentiallyq bleeding out. in a schoolfá shooting where yo have children, in medicine we have the goldenñi hour. it'slpfá really 60çó minutes be you getting a trauma incident,ea massive loss of blood and getting tojf definitive care, a

emergency room and maybe surgery. for okpediatrics, thatt( goldenr shrinks. it's called the platinum ten minutes. havinglp first responders going through withr clear areas andçó extricate ando critical care treatmenti] in th warm zone is critically important to saving lives. one of the things ixd also thout was important that is often not mentioned are two things.çó one, the assistance being given to the families. them leaning forward to give that information to families is soçó critical. as i've seen in my e1career,jfe families often converge to the location where the shooting -mpj they're met with scenes of horror, otherlp familyxdçó memb thençó they'll go to the hospit to see if their loved ones are there. creating a central point, we call that a family i]reunificatn center where theyt( can getr information, be reunified with their loved ones.

that's not going to happen for somee1 family members. somee1 family members. there's some family membep$z will be there right now and their child or loved one won't be there. this is unfolding very rapidly, it's not that longwm+■ ago, thae victims have not beenw3 identified. we had this issue with sandy hook. these children don'txd have wallets ont( them. they don't walk around withçó ó■ identification. so, the law enforcement and the medical examiner and forensic ar' making sure they identify these children properl8! @&h(lc% they don'tfá necessarily have biometrics likeñ and repatriate those deceased with their family members and making surexd they get thatv then we call services for those loved ones. the last thing i'll mention is the fact that the fire department representativelp wen out of her way to mention they were providing staff debriefing and mental health. as a former first responder for over 30u

it's been a huge uptick.t( we suffer micro traumas, mental healthçó issues as well. to take time out and walk through some ofi] these issues with the firstxd responders÷ um to mention that in the pressi] conference isfái] notable. >> it'sçó revealing to hear you talk about the ways methods and trainings have changed. i would like toxd ask you about the training that goes into that first response. i askçó because clearly whoevers responding to this situation todayt( probably doesn't know a details about what they're getting into. all they know is that there's an active shooter. is it one person? is it, like, going back to the school shootin'■d that most of mq■ one, ootin'■d that most of what is the situation as you say

on the i]ground? are there peoplez] who have bee shot but stillxd alive and whox% bleeding out? yet we heard those two key things that they ran to the sounz3÷ñrxd of gunfire and that had try to get them out. they said one of the firstçóokx things that happened is they startedok evacuating some of the students. talk toe1xd us about those firs moments when law enforcement, fire, ems goes in toq a situatin they really don't know what isñ happening, number e1one, and, t, theñr assessment they do and th training theyñi get noww3 that evl"9serp0(m years ago. >> it's totalçó chaos. it'sñi heartbreaking for us to we had three, four hours of ç

calls with different descriptions of the shooter, where the shooter is at.xd they're going into a complete unknown. we see that when they stop and take a moment tod1tu deliberatet happened, then we have a marjory stoneman douglas situation, we have a uvalde situation where everyone is sitting aroundjf waiting for someone to make a decision. thet( heroes -- this is afá tra, but the heroes are the firstw3 responders bul(xd also the peop who train the first responders. their training kicked in from+■ the academy. their taught, you hear+■q gunfi if you're byw3 yourself, you dot

we've seen over the last ten years, and with a lot of assistance from our federal partners, law enforcement pushing downjfr the beat cop, right? so, you5a■jf don't haveq to beq supervisorw3 or an@■pçóert or a specialized unit to getñ@uhose tactics and a lot) the academy. you're learning how áofá dofáq e shooter response andçót( you're ñ units.ñi you go in do■ person, two person, three person, you link up with other units, you clearñ rooms, you linkr rescue task force. if the fire department has a rescueqñi task i]force, you eva victims while you areó[■ok hunt forxd the ó[■threat. i can tell you, we'll have to wait for the after-action, but lives were saved ast( your

previous guest mentioned just because of how -- >> sorry, go ahead, çófinish. >> thank you so much.çó wei(t(reciatexd youi]xb program. we also just heard from the first lady, jill biden. she had a xdpre-arranged speech. qt( what the remarks were. the national league of citkw&■ congressional cities conference in d.c., they commented on thisi shooting. here it is. >> well, i love you back. thank you so much.xd you know, i hate to say what i'm á know, you'ret( so enthusiastic,o much energyxd and hope, and i fl it. but while you've been in this room, i don'tçó know whether you've been on your phones, but weq just learned about anotherñ

shooting in xdtennessee,e1 a sc shooting. and i am truly withoute1çó word. our childrenñi deserveçó betterr we stand, all of us, we stqn■ñi with nashville in prayer. so, thank you, mayor waters, i recently saw firsthand how you are building a stronger tacoma by supporting -- >>q that isxd first lady jillq n who mentions the facti] that the was another school shooting, yet anoq)ñr schoollp shooting. i want to bring ine1 msnbc yt frank faglusi. be a teenager. we don't know they haveçó not identified theq shooter yet, it's afá woman, a girl,fáq a teenage girl.

at least byfá appearances.t( she had twoq assault riflesfá aa handgun. i just want to get yourxd reactn to what we learned at that press conference. >> every time this happens, it gets more and more disturbing t] cover. the questions are obvious. we'rejf looking at how someone like this, a supposed teenager, got accessu we got alsoñi innb■ addition to human toll ad here with a female [:pju thisxd does not happen often.ñ the last study just out last month which defines a massxd shooter as someone who has killed at least four people, there are differentxd definitio out there,i] but if you look )( that over the course of the last four years, out ofq

>> i'vee@ ittagain when i began covering mass shootings dating backjf to columbine, i heard i can't believe this happened here,t( a then it has morphed to we weree expecting it to happen here, we're notw3 surprised it happen heree1 and we saw with açóçó co shooting for some of those students it wasxd their second mass shootingxd that they had lived through. i want to bring in keni] dellñr1 dilanian. thee1 shooter was a female. >> the secret service has slightly different numbers,i] i is incredibly rarelp to have a female mass shooter. there's a lot of -- there's a lot of questionsxd remaining he. one thing that we know is that the policefá response, accordin to the timeline we got, was

incredibly rapid. 14 minutes from the time theñi 1 call came in, report of a mass shooter unli3■xd the time thelp shooter was dead. m■ killed in theñi intervening time and likely that's chocked up to thee1 powe of the weapons here,qe1xd assau rifles that canxd fire rapidly. another question■ have that went on inlp that scjoy whether there was active shooterñi training and whether they deployed what the fbi calls the run, hide,ñr fight+bzstrategy, h is the opposite ofg

know, areçó prolifically on soci media. and so the social media for this q&l a story very likely ofq what she's abou, what was going through herq hea. weñi should not be surprised if the warning signs and indicators were fáthere. i always take opportunities like this, qchris, and forgive me fo taking a moment to tell people, look, these active shooter3■( carry grievancesq and they leak their grievances to others. they're onj pathway to violence. take those signs very seriously when someone is using the language of despondency, i can't take this anymore. i've got to do somebody. they access weapons. they train with weapons.e1 that's serious, and you've got to intervene, and we've got to understand that flash point, before the flash pointxd occurs. >> so understanding that flash

point is sometimes hardest with people who are closest to thexd person because you don't want to believe in your head, and i've heard this fromñr people who kn shooters, i never -- that, you know, they werer were lonersq but never in a million years would i have thought, are there signs or considered a sign? >> there are multiplefá stresse in someone's life. it's easy for me to sit here an( say, well, when someone says they can't take it anymore, or training with a weapon, your alerts should go off. when it's combined with other things, a break up in a relationship. a suspension or expulsion from school or work, all of this, serious family issues or medical issues or divorce issues, all of that combined is something weq need to pay very close attention to. and, look,xd when youq talk abo those close to a shooter, we "usá4 oxford,xd michigan, last week

where a judge said, yes, the parents of this young shooter in oxford, michigan, this school shooter can stand trial for what their child did because they the w3weapon, encouraged the weapon, didn't listen to school we may see that here. the investigation, of course, is going to jump to the guns and who allowed this to happen. >> i mean, the tragic reality of this mayt( be what donnell said frank, which is that unlike what we saw at uvalde or marjorie stoneman douglas, one of the stonaidh the las, one of the briefing was that these officers who responded and responded verq quickly ran toward the shooter. thexd newñi training that fire department goes in, emts go in. how quickly they seem to be able to get sow3e1t( many of thosejf students and 42 staff member out of thatlp building. unfortunately, with thexd

proliferation of theseok shootings, we're learning things, so saving lives, that doesn't get us back to the core issue, which isp,■ how do we st the shootings, but clearly or at were learned, taken to heart, understood, and practiced. where we are, orñrñr where we'rw critiquing the quickness of law enforcement and saving looifgs, andfá -- lives, and we only havx number of victims. we ringñi our hands and say we don't want to talk about fact that there's only this many victims. they should be lauded for the (3r(i response and the engagement.nse and the they got it right. and sadly, while legislatures ring their hands and take only baby steps towards sotáo%=9m1ñ the law enforcement has to get it right, and the schools have to get it right. we need to study how thisñi you ladyq accessed that school, accessed the weapons, law enforcement everywhere has to be

on the same sheet of music here. and, yes, they should ey credited/o! because there's no question in my e1mind, with tho long guns, two pistols. the deathw3 toll could have bee higher. >> you know, after newtown, sandy hook, frank, we all thought there would be change. now we have three more little kids who have been brutally murdered in theirt( supposedly safe space, their school. are you past the point of having hope that there will be change? i'm at thefá place where i am a incremental change only. it's clear to me afterxdt( sand hook that there's nothing that's going to happen that's going to cause, for example, a banning, perhaps in my lifetime, a even, i thought, after uvalde we wouldok see an easy age change a purchase of a assault weapon. we can't even sdur to get that

right. we stillñi don't have red flag laws in all of our states and flag laws are, they're not going adequately enforced, so incremental change is where we're at. in the e1meantime, train law enforcement to secure ourok schools. figliuzzi,q thank you o much. we're going to continue the shooting at covenantlp school,e seven people have been killed, three adults, three children and the shooter. we're going to continue to spea with robqq demico, jimq kavanau ken ñidilanian, and jim vance, r breaking news coverage will continue after this break. [ spray, spray ] astepro and go.

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at this hour, we continue to follow the horrific breaking news out of tennessee where a female shooter openedñiñi fire inside axd nashville christian school, killing three children and three adults. the shooter is now dead, and we have just learned thatñi while oi