at this hour, we continue to follow the horrific breaking news out of tennessee where a female shooter openedñiñi fire inside axd nashville christian school, killing three children and three adults. the shooter is now dead, and we have just learned thatñi while officials believed she appeared

to be a teenager, shet( is in fact,c a 28-year-old woman from nashville, and at this hour, we're waiting to see if police will release an identification of that shooter. what we do know from officials is that she was armed÷ with two assault type rifles, and a handgun. she fired multiple rounds beforá being apprehended, before being shot and killed by police. i want to bring ine@snbc's gabe gutierrez, former fbi supervisor, robb d'amico, anr retiredw3 okatf special agent i charge, jim kavanagh.q also with us former fbi agent clint watts. gabe, what more can you tell us about this hour? >> the headline right now just learning from nashville qpd tha the shooter here is identified as a 28-year-old woman from nashville. again, we do not have her name at this point, but just before that, weñ)h$ad been told by pole that thisñiñi shooter had enter the school, the covenant school in nashville through a side door

and had reversed up to thec■ second floor, and then was confronted by a team of five and there was a confrontation again, thelp death toll now, seven, including the shooter, threelp adults, three staff members. and, chris, now we're also starting to hear more accounts from those terrified family members who are at this hour, we're told, being reunited with their children in a nearby church. again, three adults, three staff members, and plus the shooter now dead. that shooter now identified as a 28-year-old woman who hadxd two adult-style rifles with her as well as a handgun, chris. >> thank you so much for that, gabe. clint, when we go fromñi a teenager toi] a 28-year-old wom, s"cnd if they know that she's 2 first of all, can we presume that we know who she is. how does that change the potential profile of this shooter and the search for a

motive when we're not looking ú■ a teenager, anymore, but a 28-year-old? >> that's right, chris, a very different story than probably what we officially startedi] to wonder about. just thinking about this situation now, it goes fromfá i this a student or former student of the school, really changes the picture to, you know, we're looking at a person that's maybe double in age from what we were hearing in terms of initial reports. i think secondly is what is the connection to thee1 school? it is very strange, you know, indeed, and i think, jim, i really would likew3 historicall to hear what he has to say which is to have a woman shooter appear at a school like this, not something that i have seen very commonly. second, what is the relationship to the school at this point? and then i think third, what probably all investigators are doing, is they likely know who the personlp is at this point, d are just trying to confirm some details. but also looking justw3 for any sort of trace out in theñi onli environment or the information space. anyone else aware of possibly other things that might be going

on with this individual in terms of violence or signaling that they were going to participate in violence because you don'tfá know exactly what the circumstances would be. we believe, you know, just from the incidents, as far as the single incident, it [ connected to something else as well.e1 i'm sure law enforcement is trying to close up all of those leads potentially ase1 quickly they can. seems like they are getting a lot ofw3 information at this point. >> you predicted that it would probably happen verye1 quickly that they would be able to figure out who the shooter is, whether it'st( because she migh havelp had i.d. or knoto anyone in the school or any number of reasons. talk to )k)ñp your perspective that shift, in terms of looking for a motive, profiling the between looking at a teenager and looking at a 28-year-old. >> right, chris. well, good point. confront the killer in the school. they have a gun battle and she'k

deceased. don aaron from metro police said the shooter is a female, and she appears to be very small. could be a teenager. could be. now we know she's anjf adult. we have a lot of young womene1w with slight builds. it is hard to determine age sometimes. we recently had a case a fewfá months ago where a 29-year-old disguised herself as a high school student in new jersey. so you can't tell from the appearance of someone's build necessarily thee1 age. especially young women. the shooter we know is 28 years old. you can go into any gun shop, and we've got plentyñi of them nashville and buy two assault rifles if you're 28 years old and a handgun. if you don't have a prior criminal record or you're otherwise prohibited, you can walk out theçó door with them, d all the ammo you want. so often these killers will acquire guns to do the murders, to do the crime they want to commit.

that's not to say that happened, but what i'm saying is the age of the person if they don't have a criminal record would allow that. i'm like clint,e1 i would think we're possibly going to see so)÷ connection to the school. the reason fáis, i know this neighborhood well. i'm 15 minutes away. i go there all the time. i used to live a block away, you know, i go there shopping. i go to the little coffee shops a few blocks away. the school, you can notice it if you're looking, but if you're not looking, if you're just driving down the road, it's not something that's prominent. it's not in your face. it's not ae1 giant high school. this is the verye1 leafy area, suburban nashville, section of nashville, very wealthy, suburban, kind of hilly, go up a hill, it's called burton hills drive. up a hill, a big church on the top of the hill, so, you know, i would -- it makes me believe that possibly there isj % connection, it's not just a total random picke1 fora5)rj school, and of course we see that often with shooters. they'ree1 picking somebody that

they're mad ate1 or they fantafq" revenge on or want to get back at. so we may see that, some connection, and like clint says, maybe there's been some leakage, right? the fbi study sayse1 77% of mas killers leak prior to their crime, and so thew3 odds are th this person leaked also, posted something, said something, acted squirrely, did some]m,jjt strane that was noticed by others, coworkers, family, neighbors, whoever they interact with. so we'll see if that comes to pass. >> yeah, maybe you know this statistically, jim, or just from your own experience. most shooters, whit where there are a lot km people. they're often, if n;an most times, indeed, it is a connection, right, to the place where they choose to shoot. >> exactly, chris.

now, when you have, oklike, terrorist attacks, they're looking for large crowds, they want, you know, a large death toll, you get workplace violent, they target the e1workplace, yo they target a place wherevc■q people they hate, the particularly minority they hate, maylp congregate. in just a mass shooting, which is not motivated by race or terrorism, you know, they may pick a familiar place.t( they have a grudge or seek revenge on people at that place. the other thing that we don't talk about enough that really is important in these mass shootings and is a light motif óu$at is suicide, sowt happens is you have people engaged in suicidal thought, suicidal ideation. they talk about suicide, they want to kill themselves. y5 themselves out in the woods and shot themselves or jumped off a bridge or something, anéñ"■ the

now we see people that get the suicidal ideation, and as a result of that, they're going to an together. sometimes theyq kill themselves at the mass shooting. other times they're killed by the police, almost a suicide by going to escapet( the scene. and often, chris, they make no plan at all to escape the scene. there isn't even a plan past the killing. they plan to killlp everybody. load up their ammo, and that's it. they don't thinke1 one second pt the event. knowing that they may die there by decide or by the police killing them. and in this case, it looks like metro national police, the patrol officersqq assigned to tt beat around green hills, that's the name of the neighborhood, green hills, responded, west precinct, got together in the e■ train, post columbine, made a quick entry, heard the shot,

went to the second floor, engaged the killer, stopped the killer. that sounds textbook for what metro police did. they're very efficient forced trained u effici apartment. and they showed it today. but, like i say, it's hard to beat the trigger pull of a killer. the only way at the last minute s you know, you have someq security outside the door. there was a videot( last week o this past week ofr in front of a strip club in tampa, florida, where a man with a devil mask and a pistol was trying to walk into the strip club and the bouncers grabbed his gun and tackled him. well, they probablye1 saved everybody in the club from being massacred. the man's outside putting on a e mask and he hl in his hand. so, you know, if a personu' get out of a parking lot, and i've said this so many times on walk into your business, your school, your church,!u■ your

location, well,xd you don't hav security then. you have no security if a person can dofá that. and that's the first stepçó in your security, can a person, you should ask this, any leaders, superintendent of schools, business leader, business owner, person who runs a facility, can a person drive into a parking lot of your facility, your school, get out with the long guns and walk in? and if they can, then you don't havew3 security. >> so i'm just being told that we are expecting to hear a comment from the president around 2:30.q he had another eventok that was s](÷q"uled, and is expected to lady did at the top of her event. so we're waiting for thó4k in the meantime, karine jean-pierre, the press secretary has briefed monica alba at the white house with that. what did we hear at the white house? >> that's right. we can confirm that president biden will be addressing this shooting in nashville during hi( previously scheduled r] a small business summit at the

white house around 2:30 p.m., and like so many times asfá we havel■ seen him do over the las couple of years in his first term, he will try to offer a little bit of comfort, which is so difficult, of course, in these moments, to these families who have lost lovez( ones, and n that same vein, he will then turn and we're told continue to call for action.t( this is a president who we've seen travel just in the last couple of weeks to the site of a couple of weent to the site of a monterey park and talkedw3 abou what happened there. signed some executive action that we have seen him continue to build on over the last few mnths. but then urged congress to take thatm9rh step forward and to tr to pass an assault weapons ban, something he has called for repeatedly. and so this is also an area of course where the president is trying to put into context, other legislation, other steps he would like to see. we've heard a little more from

the press secretary moments ago. >> in his state of the union, the president called on congress to do something to stop the epidemic of gun violence tearing families apart, tearing how many more children have to be murdered before republicans in congress will stepok up and t to pass the assault weapons ban? to close loopholes in our background checks system. or to require the safe storage of guns. once again, the president called on congress to do something before another child is senselessly killed in a prevent1b# >>5a■ it's something that we he from the first lady as well as she was speaking at a different event earlier today, saying, quote, our children deserve better, i think that's likely from president biden when he speaks just a short time from

now as well. >> thank you fort( that, monica alba, who is outside the white house for us, and again, we're just about 17 minutes away from what we expect will be the president's remarks at an event that was already scheduled. would be, and we heard this from officials there about 200 students there, 40 to 50 staff members. and you have a situation where they can hear r don't knowt( necessarily where it's coming from. they, again, don't know, we mentioned this before, whether it's one shooter or two shooters. what's the general training that happens now, and how widespread is it, do you know, in grade schools across this country, active shooteru >> well, i won't get into specific tactics, but we actually trained for if one -- if you're one officer and you show up and you're hearing shots, you go e1in, what can yo

do.u.x■e1 if it's two officers, there's a {a?i■mation, again, to provide security,e1 three, four, so we teach the different responsesxd that get that group going in the best it can have, but speed and getting to the shooter is the most important thing, so if two of you show up, there's a way want to say safely because you'reñi going to bypass danger areas that normally s.w.a.t teams would take differently, but you have to get to where the shooter is. i was on the fbi's house and rescue team. we are the national tactical team for very complex tactical situations. but what weok did was, since we shoot all the time, and we go through tactics, we tested all the ones that were being taught, and we figured out with paint guns and with other things, q■ to officers and what was the quickest way to get there. something else that you can't teach isxd how loud an assault

rifle is inside a school. inside concrete hallways where once they start shooting, it is even hard to communicate. a lot of tactical teams have gone to suppressors, justt( in order to be able to talk to themselves and it's not as loud on the victims when you'ree1 trying to communicatm■1 to them. the officers that got there were probably trained in basic formations, told go to the shots, and don't worry about tq' if you're hearing the shots down there.çó soe1 you may bypasse1ó[■ areas otherwise you would clear different ways. but you're going to the gunfire to stop the e1killing, andq lucy they engaged her, and they put her down.çcf1 o but, e1again, then they probabl started clearing to make sure that there wasjfñr no one else, the fire department getting there andt( start treating the people without having to pull them out,xd normally can save

3taives, in this case, it appea. but then again, gunfire,ñlassaut gunfire is really really tough at close range to fix. >> well, and clintok3watts, jus as we look at thosee1 tactical teams who would be responding, and heading toward the sound of that r shot will tell them a lot about right? >> that's right. i'm sure these law enforc%&hnt offigs a lot of them veryxd experienced know what the sound of different types of weapons sounds like. at the same point, what seems extremely clear at this point is they responded exactly the way they're supposed to. they moved very quickly to the target, and they were trying to eliminate the threat of violence, and so in this case, you know, compared to some of the other situations we have seen, we see a law enforcement department that did exactly the s likely saved lives.

and they also are aware just in terms of the rapidity, you e1kn, of thosee1 shots, if it's extremely quick, they have different sounds, different velocity, you know, comestújff very differently, especially in those indoor situations.e1 you can get a good sense of what ite1/ a long gun firede1 indoors compared to a handgun, very different e1sound, different cl in terms of the pace. i would not be surprised if they realized right away when they went in that they were facing an extreme threat, and worked quickly to eliminate the threat as fast as they could. >> jim, i know you said you hadu been inside the school? what are the chances there are videoe1 cameras inside? >> chris, i'vei] not been in th school. i've been in the church. i don't know the answer on the cameras. i'm sure they have some level of securityñi cameras there. but i'm not sure how much. now, just exactly right what tv÷

guys are saying on the assault rifles, extremely loud, and when they're shot indoors, they are never heard that, it's disorienting. thee1 tactical agents and officers, s.w.a.t, and we call ours, srt and atf, but they train on that. they're used to shooting indoors, and shoot know, actuale1e1 events, and so they can deal withq that. the patrol officers not as much, but they can deal with it as "táhey shoot th range, and sometimes in the indoor ranges, they do use ear protection. nevertheless, i think we saw as clint was just!u■ describing, t metropolitan national police acquit themselves well here, and did what they can do. they responded quickly. they gathered their numbers, yo3 know, they followed protocols we all learned in post columbine. theyqjf went in and killed the shooter, engaged and killede1 h. whethere1 she fired on the officers, we don't know. she might have fired on the officers as well, and they could have been, you know,e1 missed o

struck one of their vests or helmet. we don't have that data, but, you know, she may have been suicidal, to do an event likeq this, abouthcalf of the killers are, she maye1 very well havejf that suicidal ideation when she went for the killing, and probably a local person will be searching her house and trying to get more answers. already they've got the serial numbers, what gun shop sold them, they probably have that information through theñr atf national tracq center, and sharing it with the metro detectives, they'll be doinge1 interviews behind that well. all of that is going to unfold this afternoon right here just a sitting. it's going to be a very very busy day for law enforcement, and afá horrible day for the families in nashville all monday

afternoon. >> unimaginable. all of my guests are staying with us. coverage of the school shooting in nashville. three young kids are killed. three adults, and the shooter was taken out by police. we're going to talk about what it was like insidetq reunification center for parents and children as well when we come back.e1 you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc.

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we are back with our breaking news coverage of yet another school shooting. a woman now identified as being 28 years old. we don't know who she is or anything about her possible motive, but we're told she is a nashville woman, walked into aw christian school this morning, opened fire. she was heavily armed, and shee killedlp three young students. this was a school for pre-k to 6the1 graders. and three adults as well before police, whoe1 responded quickly were able to kill her.7oo

but it was 14 minutes of what but it what school.es of what so when the call came in for an active shooter to the time when dr"tp#filiao was inside the reunification center where you can just imagine how desperate parents were to hear about the status of their children.zv■ >> the close, family friends we have, they heard thati] all thr are safe, but she's still sobbing and crying, and had to step out, and you would know as a mother, until i see and hold my babies, they're not safe. everybody knows everybody else, and knows each other's kids as well. i want to bring in former nypde commissioner, dermot shay, charles coleman, a former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. commissioner shay, what are the biggest challenges for police in

a situation like this? obviously there is an emotional component because this is their community that they're responding to. there also has to be an advantage, chances are, they may know the school, they may know the layout of the school. what are the challenges for local police right now as we are >> well, z law enforcement goes home and takes the uniform off, and they're alle1 parents, and i ca tell you they are rushing as fast as they can tolpok try to that threat. now that the threat has stopped,

they will begin the pain staking process of trying to piece together exactly what happened here. and i can tell you the here, your blood boils as youzf hear this story and after s!gjñecing together what has happened, it just, it never i think the real challenge for all of us including law enforcement is not putting the pieces together after this, but doing it with the purpose that wexd do everything possible to prevent the next one? >> we were talking before you came on, commissioner, about the fact that everything here seemed to have been by the book,lp how quick the response was, how they responded by going toward the shots, not as we saw in placese like uvalde, waiting, not going toward clearly where the shooter wa went in, how the evacuation began almost immediately. all of that went by the book,

and yet here we are again, you have learned perhaps better how to respond. we simply have not seemed to learn better how to prevent it. >> and i think as i just said, i think that's really the take away and the challenge here,e1 i'lle1 be real interested to len when this first came over the wire, and you start to make some preconceived notions of what you think it's going to be, i'mfá shooter in this, you know, often you hear a school and it's a student or an ex-student, so the motivation here will be very interesting. what i keep comingfáe1e1 back tn this crazy world we live in right now, the access to guns is certainly there. there's often a mental health component. i don't know if that's the case here yet. it's too preliminó2-, and certainly the footprints that are left on social media and what is beingq absorbed day-to-day is often quite

interesting. i think it's a little preliminary to make any judgments here today, but there's no doubt5a■ that we havo i say we, i think it's elected y officials, i think it's police leaders, parentqñ those in business, those that often deal clearly this is happening far too often. >> charles, you know, crime has become a huge talking point. it certainly was in 2020, it was again in 2022, in many of the local state races that occurred. we've already been hearing it, right,xde1 in 2024. we hear a lot of criticism from crimes there, in some cases where crime has gone up, particularly where they have a democratic mayor or a democratic governor, and yete1 what we don hear is a lot of proposals about commissioner made,i] which is access to guns. >> absolutely, chris. it amazes me and infuriates meç

at the same time. while we have this very disingenuous conversation about stopping and lowering violent crime across america, somehow during that discussion, even as% ingenuous, and disingenuous as it is, there is some way that we carve out ançó exception where gloss over the notion ofht■ sch shoéings as part of the conversation, and that's infuriating. in order to have that xd conversation, there's essentially three elements, the element of guns, andlp the acce that people have to them, and their availability. there's the element of people, and the issue around mental health as the commissioner wase talking about, we don'teiijjju this specific incident, how much of a role that did or didn't play. what we know from a history, an tunate and long history of these sorts of events that it is something that usually does become a part of the conversation, and then finally, there's a conversation about schools. when you're talking about that, you've got guns, you have people, and you have schools. and unfortunately, in this conversation about crime, crime prevention and addressing it, we would rat

about the school than to address the issues that people are having withe1 mental health or dare touch the issues that people have around access to guns. we would rather put more police in schools, metal detectors, bullet proof classrooms, all sosre5ijt things that socialize our young people in ways that are just unthinkable before we begin to tackle the tougher and real and direct problems that are causing these sorts oft( situations to happen. >> the argument on the other side to you, charles, and you've heard it before, so you know it is, you're politicizing this issue. >> i'm politicizing it just as much as those house members who decided that it was a good idea so wear ar-15 lapel pins and walk around congress as if these where are they right now? what's going to beçó their statement, because we don't need statement, because we don't need another round ofw3ó'djáuus andu prayers, so when you talk about politicizing this.!u■ show me what your priorities

are. show me how you are constructing budgets that are intended to address the health and well being from a mental and psychological place of american citizens. show me in a real way, beyondj# sort of throwing more money, more metal detectors, bullet proof classrooms, arming teachers, solutions that essentially only feed the violence that is in america's dna, where is your concern there. until then, you can't talk to me about politicizing this. because all you've done is call something else by another name. >> you don't think this is going to change the narrative around violence or guns or school shootings, in america, do you? >> we will likely see a greater push to change everything about this conversation other than access to guns because of course there's a rallying cry ofe1e1 t is not a guns issue, this is a people issue, then what are we doing about people. that becomes my immediate question. how are we investing in

opportunities and spaces that are going to addressxd that froa people end, as opposed to focusing on schools and all sorts of other issues. i think that this is a very unfortunate space, and we've learned over and over again, whether it's uvalde, whether it's sandy hook, we do not have thexd typee1 of regard for the s of our children and ourrd educators, atdx their safety an public safety in such a way that is going to move this needle,w3 and until that becomese1 a priority, chris, this is not going to be a conversatione1 th really moves anywhere forward at the type of speed or space that it needs. >> commissioner, you mentioned your reaction when you first saw this come over that three children, three adults were killed, ande1 yet another schoo shooting, this time ins7■ nashville, what are the another school xdshooting, amon law enforcement? is there a unanimity of opinion about what they would like to see done that they think could help reallye1 do something more

than train them better for the next shooting? >> yeah, i think it's everything i just talked about in terms of certainly access to guns comes up, who isfá committing the offenses certainly,e1 that's th people e1portion, anr mental illness comes up often. as i listen to this conversation, i'll tell you what i'm thinking about is the kids, and as you talk about law enforcement training and how to respond, think about the world we live7n'■ in, where young kide alsoñr training..!ti sjue than would have to. on how to react in alp situatio like this. and i think it says a lot about our society that we've come that far. and in a world where parents used to see the news and say, well,5a■ that 0se, somewhere else isxd getting awfully close thes days, and again, i just think it's upon all of us5a■ to put a preconceived notions on the

table. work together. this is going toe1e1 take a lot giving on my fronts, political as well as what we do to keep these kids safeg >> dermot shay, thank you so much for being with us. charles coleman, you're going to stay with me. and coming up, police describing theeoñshooter, again, asçó a 28-year-old woman, we'll get into just how rare that is, and what it might mean for the investigation. you're watching "chris jansing reports" reports only 7n]5m99

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student dress instead red an and khaki pants and shortse1 he hands to form a chain as they walkedçó from the bus to the escorted by police.; 28-year-old woman. that is extremely rare. for xdexample, in a reqmrtok analyzing all of 2021, the fbi says there wereñi 61 activec shootings, 60 were committed by men. of course just one by a woman. backñiu dilanian, gabe gutierrez,lp foru fbi supervisor, rob d'amico, special agent in charge jim kavanagh, and clint watts. ken, i know that you have been looking into this more, 60 oute of 61 very recently. that is something that hase1 be consistent, hasn't it, through the history of us keeping track of mass shootings? >> it absolutely has, chris.

there's one study published in mother jones going backçó to 19. now, people define mass shootingsçó differently. thise1 study looked at 137 incidents and found in two cases were there female shooters, going back to 1982. the secret service withe1 a different definition of mass shootings in public places examined 173 attacks from 2016 to 2020, and found theu invoflment of five women. what the profile, what the motive was. the fear is that the kindzv■ñiñ behaviors, the mental health crisis-motivated behaviors that we're seeing inçóñi a lot of ma mass shootings can be migrate to go females as well, and that is a very alarming e1development, chris. >> so rob, talk to me a li24 motive here. obviously we're all familiar

with them goinge1 ñionline.5ti people who may have known them, we're waiting, perhaps, to find out whether or not there is perhapse1 a situation whereq sh had some connection to this school, i don't see rob there. is rob there? i don't see him in our boxes. if not -- i'm sorry, we have rob. there he is, there's rob. o about that part of it, all the things that they'll be looking at, but also the role of an fbi profiler in thisu >> right now, and they probably know who she is, and they're no■ releasing that, because, one, they have to secure all the 1ñ the cars, as soon as they announce the name, people are going to know her, &háhp &hc% locations. her family mightlp know already but you haveñi to really keep everything pure so when they do the search warrant, they're going to be looking for everything. they're going to search everything. electronics, notes, and everything likefáe1lp that.

hopefullyq family members will assist in lpáhat, and they're profiles, where she may be blogging or posting, and then they're going to start interviewing people, everyone around her, everyone who knew her. i think everyone on these calls when we heard it was a teenager, the first thing we thoughtxd of was some type of what was the motivation of a teenager to ÷ it, when it jumped to 28, i still think there has to be a connection to the school, as jim talked about. just to walk into a school that's not very prominent, to take this out is kind of out there, so looking at the connection with the school, and once you have the connection to the school. then you're going to see wmstñi there issues, was she an employgwx■ does she have childrn there. something connected to the school, and they're going to as soon as they find that, they're going to interview everyone along those lines. there may be people at the

school who alreadye1 know or ar that's where everything is. you know, you pull a thread. you get one area, and then you keep going as the facts lead you down those. >> and, jim, we tend to talk f1 ond, jim, we tend to talk search, when we have a shooter who has been killed by police, did they have a role in trying to find a motive, trying to figure out what the heck happened here? >> yes,p,■ they do, chris. i mean, it's a little known fact that atf has had two special agents inside the behavioral analysis unitfá since 1984 that are profilers in slang, we don't p r(t&háhp &hc% i used to supervisor those guys, and i'm very familiar with them, and use them on many cases, both atf arñ■ fbi profilers. they will help wv%s you call them, and they will look at everything you develop, you know, everything that you sweep from his media as don said. everything thate1 you gí9ñ up at

the person, you canñi ask them analyze it for you ande1 give y opinion on what the behavior was that might have driven,e1 you know, this crime. but some of thatçó stuff will ao be apparent to detectives as it would toe1 us. sometimes like, for example, in a suicidal case, the person is writing about, you know, the end is near -- interrupt you, joe. i'm sorry, the president is making comments on theu let's listen. >> you know, ben and i have bee1 seems,lp and it's just we're stá gathering the facts and what happened and why. we do know as of now, there are a number of people who did not makeñiq it. it's heartbreaking, a family's worst ñinightmare. and i want toçó commend the pole

who responded incredibly swiftly, within minutes to end thï we're monitoring the situation really closely, ben, asó6# you know, and we have to do more to stop gun violence. it's ripping our communities apart,u nation, the very soul of the nation. we have to do more to protect our schools so they aren't know, theñr shooter in this situation reportedlyp,■ had two assault weapons and a pistol. so i call on congress, again, to pass my assaulte1 weapons ban. it's about time that we begin to make some more progress, but there's more to learn, but i just wanted toxd send my concer and hearts out to so many parents out there. i've been to so many of these sites as ben knowsmente1 virt virtually every one.

ings you folks should focus on,çó you know, ju like in the military, my son was in iraq and other places, there's so many members of the military coming back with post-traumatic stress after witnessing the violence and participating in it. well, these children, thesee1 teachers, we should be focusing on their mental health as well, on to i'm grateful, anyway, ll, sorry toe1 start off that way. i couldn't begin without acknowledging what happened. and now i'm grateful to all of you joining us heret(e1 today, natalie, thank you for thatxd introduction. >> president biden who, as he said, feels like he has been doing this his wholei] career, talking about theñc3 heartbreak occurrence of yet another mass shooting. he and presidents before him have gone to the scenes of the shootings, met with the families, understand that the grief of the families of the six victims are going through right

now, and when i had tofá interrq you, jim, we were talking about profilerw and one of the things that the president said iq know, it's sick, and that's a word that can be used in many different ways. it can beu mental health. it can be used in terms of just! there has to be something wrong with you, seriously wrong with you, that you would think about taking ae1 couple of +■semiautoc guns and a pistol and going into a school where kids are ande1e1 opening fire. having said that,e1 how close a we at being able to -- how sophisticated are we at being able to get to the heart of what motivates someone in a situation like this? >>7n'■ i think wew3 will@ i think we will. it's very common that we do. the fm ñrstudy, 77% of the peope leaked, we know their motivations. >> i have to interrupt you again, i apologize, they're briefing oncee1 more.

here we u >> the director of the tennessee bureau investigation,r raush, national district attorney glenn funk and national fire director chief william swann. again, this is the second briefing. there will be other briefings to be held in the same spot later this afternoon.5a■ we'll continue to brief throughout the rest of the day. chief drake. >> first and foremost, i want to say thank you alllp for being he on this very unfortunate situation. myxdi] heart and prayers go out thexd families of the six peopl who were tragically e1injured. whaul i know aqáju point is at 10:13 today, our officers responded to a shots fired call to covenant school, church school. officers immediately responded.■

a team of five immediately went in the school, went to where gunshots were being heard, andq engaged the suspect. we have identified the suspect right now tentatively,çó a 28-year-old female, white. we know the address of that person as well, and so we have somet( ongoingok investigations to that. we have three adult victims,çó d we have three children who have been identifiede1 and their families have been contacted. right now, i will refrain from saying the ages other than to saye1 i was literally moved to tears to see this, and the kids as tv%- were beinglpxd ushered of the5a■ building. i want to say thanks to allu

our partners, to the fbi, to the atf, and5a■ other federal partn to the thp, tennessee highway %-pattorney and to the fire department who all came together and seamlesslye1 addressed this situation asçó quickly asñr possible. i've already gotten a request from the national media aboute1 great qresponse. what i can say and what i have saidñiehaeforeq is that wheneve hope that we would never have this situation, that if we ever did, we would not wait. we would immediately go in and we would immediatelye1 engage t person perpetrating this horrible crime, and so that'se1 all i candv■ say.k"i% director of the tbi who will come after me to address his

portion, and then we have others who will say something as well.■ so thank you. >> thank you, chief. again, i want to echo what chief has said in reference to the great support and the great team work that has been taking place here,w3 and as well as sending r heartfelt prayers to the çófami, victims.t prayers to the çófami, i know there will be people who want to criticize us for prayers, that's the way%q do that in the south. ■ and we believe in the power of prayer.i so our prayers go out to thesee families. the role of the tbi in thisñi investigation is we have been askedy in the officer-involved portion of this incident, so the incident whereko■ the officers engaged the suspect, we are assisting the metro investigation, and the reason we've got metro doing the

primary investigation because it was a fluid scene. there wasn't a single stop in the action andqe1 so as they investigate the homicide, we felt it was most appropriate for them to continue the investigation. we'll assist in our role as an independente1e1 oversight as th that will be the role of tbi. we too want to thank allñr of o partners. it is special.e1 we've had this conversation, unfortunately, too many times in tennessee, and that is that you wish you wouldn't have to do these types thf scenes. but when you do, you want to that we have in our law enforcement community hereçó in tennessee. it is amazing. and we've all come together as one, and working very tirelessly, and we'll continue to work together to address thiá situation. it's a horrible senseless tragedy, and we'll be here working with our partners to get

through it, and next i'd like to introduce the district attorney general for this area mr. funk. >> this is the ultimately crime when school children and careñr givers are the victims of senseless gune1 violence.çó can't say anything before first expstáj our concernsw3 for the victims and their families. and the extended number of victims that are traumatized by1 today's event. i came out on the scene today because our current operating procedure is that wheni] an officer is involved in a shooting, that the tbi comes out, and i knew this was a unique case, and i wanted to make sure that everything was handled5a■q appropriately. director raush wasu almost at5a■ the exact time i w here, and had been on the scene for a while. th

about how the investigation was going to be handled. we made a jointnb■ decision affirminge1 what the two law enforcement leaders wanted to proceed, which is that metro is going to handle the bulk of this, and tbi would participate in añi capacity to continue wit making sure thatçó we havew3 transparency in everything and toe1 make suree1 that any backu that they need in this investigation will be provided, can't not stress enough how eqia conversation, and a decision to be made quickly and casei] is going to be handled here. hatst( off to chief drake and our federal partners as well. i cannot comment on the usdoing investigation, i'm impressed with the work being donet( by l

enforcement. >> good afternoon, first, let me say as everyone else, what a tragic day here infá nashville. so our hearts and prayerse1 go t to all the family çómembers, an also the first responders that actually madeñi this call.e1 as always the fire deyébrtment and office of emergency management, our job is to beginning and we'll beñi here t the end. we just ask that everyone, again, as was said earlier about prayer, we ask for that. and the ongoing support that's neededo6k■ from my standpoint i give supportu/in ! asked for on the scene. so again, we thank you. and from this point forward, we'll'c■u missionñi and try to bring some type of closure and resolution.■ thankçóçó you. ñ another briefing at or before

4:00. we will entertain two or three questions at this moment before these gentlei have to go back to the sc( work. >>ok chief, did you identify th shooter yet? >> yes, we have the identified the suspect.çóñi it's a 28-year-old female, white, actually ajfe1 nashville , lives in the nashville area. >> do you have officers there? >> was she wearing body armor? >> i can't say that far into the i6/kstigation. i don't remember seeing lpit, b i can't say for certain if she had body armorçó on or not. >> did she have any connection to the church?ep&r(t&ho >> from my initial findings is that at one point5a■ she was a student at that school. but unsure what year, all of that. but that's what i have been told so far. >> any wordçó on social media o

has her social media been examined at this point? >> the investigation is still ongoing at this point. our federal partners, our state partners were all looking into that to see exactly. this is still fluid at themftim, we'ree1 looking at everything. >>e1 were there fire alarms, do you know? >> i don't remember a fire alarm going off. i was told there were kids that evacuated into a wood lipvc had the presence of mine to do that, and to go to a fire hall. once we arrived on scene3a■ we d everyone move to first baptist get parents and childr reunited and then ultimately make the notification on thee1 three kids. >> do we know yet if the side door was locked or not? >> there was a door that was e1

entered. all doors were locked to our understanding and how exactly she got in at this point, it's still under investigatiof.z the2d-julpe1 a vehicle that was nearby that gave us clues as to who she e1was, and so as stated that investigation is still ongoing. >> dide1 the school have school shooter protocol? >> they did have protocol, to my understanding. we had unfortunately three kids that were6z■ tragically qt)rt. it could have been far, far worse. >> okay. folks. we'll be back again before 4:00. okay. thankfáfá you. good to be withlp you. i'm katy tur on this terrible day. you have just been watching the second news conference from authorities in nashville, tennessee. officers now say they know who the shooter was and they have