she got in at this point, it's still under investigatiof.z the2d-julpe1 a vehicle that was nearby that gave us clues as to who she e1was, and so as stated that investigation is still ongoing. >> dide1 the school have school shooter protocol? >> they did have protocol, to my understanding. we had unfortunately three kids that were6z■ tragically qt)rt. it could have been far, far worse. >> okay. folks. we'll be back again before 4:00. okay. thankfáfá you. good to be withlp you. i'm katy tur on this terrible day. you have just been watching the second news conference from authorities in nashville, tennessee. officers now say they know who the shooter was and they have

her address. they have not released her name but describe her as a 28-year-old nashville woman carrying two assault style rifles and a handgun. authorities have not identified a motive e1either, but they do y it appears she was a student of the covenant school at one point, an elementary school. that's where she killed six people, three kids and three adults. here's a breakdown of what happened inside that school from nashville metro ."■qpolice's fi news conference a little bit earlier. >> when the officers gotq to th second level, they saw a shooter, a female, who was firing. the officers engaged her. she was fatally shot by responding police officers. there was a five member team who was on the -- that was on the second floor at that time, two individuals from that five-member team opened fire on the shooter. we know at this point that this

shooterçó is a female. shooterçó is a female. she was armed( assault type rifles and a hawí we are efforting now to identify her. she entered the school through a side entrance and traversed her way from the first floor to the second floor, firing multiple shots. >> we do not yet know the identities or the ages of the victims. the six victims, butxd again,e1 is an elementary school, pre-k through 6th grade. the president has been briefed. tennessee's governor is monitoring, and the e1e1state's senators are reacting. marsha black burn tweeted she is praying for the victims.lp according to every town gun safety, this is the 33rd safety, this is the 33rd incident of gu grounds in 2023, and it is march 27th. joininglp me now is nbc news correspondent gabe ñigutierrez,

nbc news just1c dilanian. retired special agent in charge and former hostage negotiator for theçó atf, jim kavanaghe1 w lives in the nashville area, and former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade, i should say the president has spoken on this.lp he says it's sick and called for congress to ban assault rifles. gabe, i wantjt■ begin with you. no word on the details or the ages of the victims but we are learning a little bit more about this shooter. bring us up to s6%9 >> good afternoon, andq yes, weo are learning more about the shooter and other details. nashville police chief just saying that this incident has moved him to tears seeing those young victimsç'u()q' out of tha elementarye2r school. and another detail that stuck out to e1me, authorities say so of the children, this isçó elementary school, pre-k to 6th grade, some of the children evacuated the school on their çó own. you can only imagine the horror

that must have beene1 going through their minds. this unfolded at 10:18 local time with shots being fired. this wasq at the covenant schoo in nashville, açó team officers went in and engaged the shooter who we're told went into the school5a■ t and engaged with her on the second floor, and she was killed. now, another.ljñ part of the investigation, katy, you mentioned, this 28-year-old woman who authorities believe may have been a student atlp th school at some point, something they will be looking into is how she got into the school through the side door. authorities did say that the all the doors to the school are locked. there was also some sort of vehicle, potentially near the door, and again, we're hoping to find out more information about that. again, a devastating past few hours as parents of the students who survived are now being reunited with them at another location. and this investigation is underway. we do not know the name of this

28-year-old woman, but again, this investigation is just beginning, katy. >> a lot is being made of the fact that it is a woman. we very rarely,ñr almost never e these shooters end up being women. >> it's incredibly rare. there are a lot of numbers floating around. nbc news has done some research in the past few hotand has come up with a count of seven female shooters, really in modern history going back to 1979 in terms of these active shooter incidents. it's an extremely low number, veryx1 disturbing to the xdexpei have been talking to becauseó[■ they're wondering if this phenomenon we're seeing of mentally disturbingçó angry men who have predominantly carried out these shootings, if that's now spreading and that would be a really alarming development. i wanted to point something out, gabe mentioned the reports ofe1 on their own, that suggests that they may have had some kind of kind that the fbi recommends, which is known as run, hide,

fight, and it's exactly what did not happen in the horrible :m,auy1 more students were killed. and if that's, in fact, what happened, it's a testament to some very good training at that school, and also an incredibly rapid police response. >> you know,5a■ the police respe was markedly different from uvalde, but still, and i don't think this should be glossed over, and i'm not saying you were doing that at all. three kids are dead, and three adults are dead. no matter how fast you react, whether you rush the e1shooter, whether the kids run away, if you have high powerodñ weapons, you can kill a lot of people pretty e1quickly,ww/sw3e1e1çó j. >> the normal assault weapon with a 30 round magazine fires one round for each bullet of e1 trigger. it will empty the 30 round çó magazine, and you can pull theoo trigger very very fast.

faster than 30 seconds. so you can shoot 30 rounds in less than 30 seconds. andv devastating, it's a military weapon, tears you up when it hits you, imagine it hitting a little child. it's a horrible thing. police put five patrol officers in e1there. we shouldn't lose sight of this. five patrol officers fairly quickly, got to the shooter on the second floor, and stopped thelp killing. patrol cars to arrive, that takes a few minutes. officers have to get theiri] riflesñr out. through a vest on. >> i'm sorry, ken, your mic was hot.xde1 i apologize. i do have a question for you, i do have a question for you, though, ken, the psychological about this a little bit earlier, that the government, the authorities have a psychologicar profile for the kinde1 of perso whoçó commits this sort of thin. did a female fit into that

psychological profile, and what is law enforcement currently doing with that profile? anything? can they do anything? >> they don't like to call it a psychological profile, what they say ise1 it's a set of behavior. there's a checklist of things, including suicidal ideation, you know, violent fantasies, posts on social media, traumatic things that happened in that person's life. and whenq you look at these casd of peoplexd who study them say they almost always find ae1xdçór of these things, and they also findr all day, calling leakage. you know, that people -- these shooters often tell people what they're going to do or say things that make it cl■au that there's a problem to close friends and lovedxd ones, and i just isn't reported enough times. in terms of what law enforcement is doing, they're going through social media. they're interviewing friends and relatives andfá trying to devel or's state of mindu

before this, and looking for any writings, and, you know, diaries or anything of that sort. unfortunately none of that is going to bring any of these kids back to life. >> jim, expand one1 that, that d leakage. we had theñr other day thee1 president himself sign an executive order that was meante toxd tighten red flag laws. make people more aware ofe1 red flag laws around the country, so people have issues can't get ahold ofq guns and can't hurt other people. >> i salute that effort. they really need to target this smart. we talk about gun laws.e1 my analogy would be, we want to manufacture more world war ii artillery rounds that will shoot out and sometimes hit an enemy tank, but we could manufacture o j bomb every time you fire will hit theu for manufacturing the smart bomr that will take out a shooter on each tim

we know about the leakage, the people leak, and that's the ones we need to stop, instead of scatter shotting lpeverybody, which doesn't really work. i mean, i enforced the assault weapons ban for the provisions that were in it when i was a special agent in charge in atf for ten çóyears. i know how that works. i know what itñi does. the most effective portion of the law was thee1 magazine t!5á. the manufacturers got around a lot of the other provisions on it. nevertheless, i don't want to get on that topic, what i want to say is target the killers who leak because it's 77% of the killers and if we would do that with smart laws, we couldñi rede the number of these. now, we won't stop every one. i'll give you one anecdotal case quickly, katy. the top shooter in buffalo, the racially motivated murder at the supermarket, i]he, a year befor that, had made comments thatu a mass mur. family members called

authorities, he was taken to a psychiatrist, evaluated. he said he was justlp joking. now, what i say is that should if the manmade a comment that he was going tou/j threaten to2kkln individual person, i'm going to kill joe johnson, then the police would arrest him for making a terroristic threat. it's usually a misdemeanor. what i'mñi saying is that threa for a mass shooting that that person made and anybody else makes, should be charged with threatening a mass shooting. state legislature says give us that law, and there should be a federal one as well, if you threaten a mass shooting, you should be charged with a terroristic threat. not to send you to prison but to prevent you from buying a gun if wefá added a correct law on topf 3&being convicted o violence, beating up your wife or girlfriend, from ever being a gun. you're convicted of beating out gun store and buy weapons but if

you threaten a mass shooting, you can buy all the weapons you want. that doesn't make sense. why did the shooter do it?e1 well, we're going to find out. we're going to find out why this woman did it. we're going to know. it's rare we don't, and we're going to find out, but the question is, are we going to act on what we know, and so far we never act on what we know. >> it seems like it's secondary to find out why they did it. clearly they're disturbed. if they're going to do something like this, they are disturbed. why they did it, seems secondary, and jim, you mentioned you endorsed the assault weapons ban, if the assault weapons ban game back xd online, if it!8pj passed zv■lpa would these be mitigated or are there now too many assault weapons out there, you know, semiautomatic weapons out ñithe, assault weapons out there to rule this back. is the cat out of the bag? that's one of the arguments made against reinstating this ban. >> well, there's a lot5a■ of pr the mo3á(çó effective provisions the magazine capacity.

new assault weaponslp that were sold during the ban could only have a magazine withfá tene1 ro. toward the end of the ten-year period, we were makingñi seizur of çóassault, the new type weap, which was the same round, the same function of the rifle, it just didn't have the sexy accruedments, the bayonets, the handles, the collapsible stocks, those were off it. but the manufacturers made the same gun, the same round, the same velocity, the sameñr autoloadinge1 features but couldn't sell a bigger magazine, was more and more seizures with #5■iminals with rifles. the manufacturers got around the ban by pumping out cheaperfásv4 rifles without all the

a accruedments on it. target the people leaking, put a smart bomb on them and you would be moste1 effective. the most effective the way i previously described than just an assault weapons ban.tóm%áthk weapons, all needs to be covered. again, you're manufacturing a world war ii artillery round hoping to hit every tank, and it's just not going to@.si-■ lie that. >> gabe, i want to go back to you. we are waiting on more details her motive was, people can argue that secondary, whatu actual connection beyond having gone there, the grudgexd she mit have had toward that school, we're also waiting on details of the victims and you heard there in that news conference a momenó ago, the officer just get really choked up, and leading you to believe that i don't know what it leads you to believe.c cf1 o leading you to believe it was horrible. obviously it's horrible. the worry that they were the youngest of thexd students.

>> you know, how long have you and i been listening to these types of awful stories? school shooting after school shooting. >> sandy hook was the first year you and i werei] here at nbc ne. >> and it is just devastating when you hear the first reports of these young children, and again, we don't know how young in particular these are, but this is an elementary school, just up to 6th grade, and you heard it from the police chief responding, very emotionally to the news that three of them were dead. again, three children killed in this awfulq/z school shooting, another three staff members. we don't have the ç>#j of any of them rightu but there will be plenty of questions as to how this all unfolded, and again, for those viewers who may just be joining us, this 28-year-old shooter has beenxd identified. authorities are now apparently at her home in the nashville area, and that is typically of these types of investigations, they're going to be, you know,

searching through her social media profiles, through anylp contacts she may have had, and at this point, weq understand according to authorities thatw3 one point in the school. so they'll certainly be looking, if she hade1 any grudges, and, u know, katy, the first news conference, not the last one we heard bute1 the previous one, there was a woman who was there afterwards, and, you know, she spoke to reporters briefly, andu she was actually a survivor from the highland park, illinois, mass shooting that we all saw last year. shep,■ happened to be in nashvi on a family vacation, and last hour on msnbc i was listening to the former nypdfá commissioner o said, look, this is hitting closer and closer to home for so many people. one woman who survived with her 6-year-old son in highland park nowó[■çappense1 to be at anothe school shooting, and she frankly said, you know, it was very frustrating that she had to witness this yet again. so again, investigation nowe1 ongoing here. we're trying to find out more information about this kr20-yea

juste1 mentioned isñi extremelye to hear of a female shooter in these situations.çó and it's all just so tragic. >> becoming less rare to experience it more than once as we've seen. barbara, cracking this question for you, when it appeared that the shooter was a teenager, and i was thinkingu crumbly, the michigan shooter who shot and killed5a■ four of classmates at oxford high, his parents are now aboutu trial for involuntary &ho and the appellate court inok michigan has just ruledñi that that trial should go forward saying that,çó yes, it is uniqu and, yes, this is egregious and these two parents should bee1 tried for what they did to enable their son. this is no longer a teen shooter. this is an adult, so the circumstances are different. this might be a bit of a slippery slope of a question, bute1i] iñi wonder the legale1

responsibility, beyond the moral responsibility, the legal responsibility for people to say something when they think someone might hurt otherñi peop. >> certainly i think one of the% things that the investigators in investigate whetheri]5a■ this sr had assistance from anyone, did someone p gun, anyone aware of the d it's important to keep in mind that the parents were not being charged sort of on behalf as third parties on behalf of their son being held his e1conduct, they are being hd responsible forçóe1f&d■ their o conduct. that is they had warning signs, they bought him the gun. the factse1 show that he was texting with themñie@s!out note getting caught, talking about the gun at school. they were at the school the dau of the shooting and didçó not wn anyone in the school that he had access to a gun, soçó it was the things that are part of the

prosecutor's case that say they were reckless orok grosslye1 negligent in their omissions. in a case with a 28-year-old,lp think it's going to be harder to find someone who is responsible for an omission, but it could be that there's someone responsiblu for a co-mission. they provide a weapon or otherwise enable someone to commit a crime or encouraging someone to commit a crime can make themñre1 responsible as an accomplice. investigators will be looking invehooting. will be looking f1 o kavanagh, gabe gutierrez, kenw3 dilanian, thank you so much for start us off. appreciate it. coming up next, it's the 86th day of the year, and we have already seen more than 100 mass shootingse1 in this countr. what we are hearing from congress and the white house after in latest school tragedy. tennessee congressman steveww/s cohen will join me about whether there will be any movement federally about this latest

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i'm from highland park, illinois, my son and i survived a mass shooting. i'm in tennessee on a family vacation with my sont( visitingy sister-in-law. i have been lobbying in çód.c since we survived a mass shooting in july. i have met with over 130 lawmakers, how is this still happening? how are our children still dyin1 and why are we failing them? gun violence is the number one killer of children and teens. it has overtaken cars. assault weapons are contributing to the border crisis and fentanyl, we are arming cartels with our gunsw3 and our loose g laws, and these shootings and these mass shootings wille1 continue to haúp9■ until our safety legislation. >> you heardl■ gab mention her a moment ago. that wasfá ashby beasley.

she said she's a survivor of the summer5a■ in highland park, illinois, she has spent several months calling for action from congress, and she just happened to be in nashville today. joining me now isw/íçó nbcfáó[■ capitol hill correspondent ally -- ali vitale and monica alw3 bee. are they in session? >> reporter: it's a fly-in day. they'll be here ae1xdçó few houm now. we'll be asking if they think there's action that can be taken. these are hard liveok shots to when you hear from people like the woman you just showed but it's unlikely that we're going to see any action here. last congress, when democrats controlled both houses otó congress, the senate and the house, we were able to see some meager action, although it was some of the biggest we have seen ñ gunfá violence protection. it was all pretty narrow and ñ through.

with the house divided, house controlled by republicans, there is a very high degree of ó unlikelihood that we actually see any kind of legislative action around gun violence prevention. that's just the reality. of course it hasn't stopped any of the lawmakers, and i know you're going to have congressman cohen on after this. it hasn't stopped lawmakers from tennessee or writ large from talkingfái] about the need to d something about this. but there'sfá no agreement on t something, and that's why we keepx 9 last year for the first time in a long time, gun reform legislation, and at the time, there was some feeling thate1 i woulde1 open the door a little, get your foot in the door, crack, start to see more of this. is it justc because congress ha changed hands. if democrats were in power, would there be more movement on this? >> maybe if democrats were in power, building up their senate majority the way they have ite1 right now, while also5z maintaining their house majority, sure, in theory maybe

we could have gotten to a place like that. that's not the reality we're in right now. divided congress means it's u unlikely anything is going to get done. i also think when you think about the gun violence prevention legislation that went through last year, that was a bipartisan muscling act to getx it through on the parts of people like senator chris murphy, and republican senator thom tillis among others who ushered that package through, but again, it was very e1narrow. it was very tailored in what it actually did. it toughened or hardened schools. it focused on mental health. and it did some veryok narrow changes around red flag laws building those programs up across the country, but reallyl i mean, it wasn't the kind of universal background check system or certainlyñr far from e assault weawuju ban that president biden is calling for again today. really hard to see a reality where that ever actually becomes feasible here in congress, in the balanceu tipping towards the democrats. >> you talk about hardening schools.?

schools, add more locks, et cetera, but you have schools filled with people, and people make e1mistakes, and sometimes they leave doors open or don't lock doors, and we're not sure qáher it was locked or unlocked, or she had a key. who knows. you can't harden against plain human error. monica, let's talk about what the president did a couple of weeks ago. he was in monterey park announcing an executive order intended to do what he can without congress to strengthen gun laws. what were those? >> reporter: it'se1 the latest a series of executive action that the white house feels this is everything the president can do when it comes to trying to tackle gunñr violence, specifically what he did sign just recently tried to expand background checks, trying to who is able to do business with a gun seller, and then also to improve storagelp areas for certain guns, trying to make those a little bit safer.

but to your point, katy, both ou necessarily have completely contributed to or stopped this alleged female shooter from doing what she did today in nashville, and so that is why the president has continued to call for congress to do something as xdali just outline is unlikely. he's going to continue calling it, to heartbreaking, and the president has asked hisok cabinet to essentially develop a plan, like you see today with the horri"!■ tornadoes, for instance, fema goes in and responds. theh something like that for mass shootings and guna5■ violence, afterwards, you would see a sort of federal response effort goe1n with mental healthxd support, wh other major resources from the federal government to not just go in and do the important work of law enforcement and investigations that unfold when you see something like this,f>it to then try to help the entire community, and again, even in

the daysñr to come as we contin to learn more about this, to help those who also are impacted by this, juste1 by the sheer shk and trauma, so that is something that the white house is working on, and developing right now. but, again, this is añi preside who says he's tried to do everything he can with the stroke of a pen, and it's up to lawmakers now to take this any furujer. >> monica alba, ali vitali, thank you very much. and now congressman cohen, this is andy ogles district, very pro gun. we'll put up ae1 picture, a christmas card that he posted where his family is holding assault style rifles, you know, when shootings happened atñ the elementary school in e1newtown, the shooting in newtown and sandy hook, obviously it's a democratic state, the attitude toward guns there isxd a bit different. it really hardened senator chris murphy into somebody who was goingjf to fight for gun e1refo

tightening the gune1 laws so th more kids aren't killed. do you get a sense that there's room for the members whoñrxd experienced this in their district for theme1 to start to rethink things? >> i'm afraid not. i think we have our positions. i think o see more positions. restrictive gun laws, particularly assault weapons ñi bans, large capacity magazines, red flag laws, et ñrcetera, wha we think we know will help. the republicans, though, have a constituency that's more attached to the earth and the ground andñi the5 i have done, sometimes they need them on their farmland, sometimes people in the city want to have them just to have them, and there should be restrictions, but the republicans have not seen fit.fá f my licans have not seen fit.fá favorite guys overi] there, ande got to work with chris murphy, and got a little something done after uvalde, but it was very much a band-aid, it didn't do

much. we have to do theñr big picture which is the assaulte1 weapons ban. i would suggest to the president, nothing is going to happen in congress, to the house, bute1 the president coul appoint a blue ribbon republican, bipartisan, to look improve the public health in america fromq the threat and th reality of gun violence and massive gun death. ndeed at un death. schools because these are our children, and sensitive spot for all ofjf us, but also in movie theaters,q at grocery stores, yu and we need to have ae1 blue ribbon panel, and a fewçó other republicans that might have to carry some weight against republicans, maybe something it's not going to happen immediately/k it's going to have to have a bipartisan approach with some folks like brig frisk who's a southern republican. >> do you think a blue ribbon excision is the solution here?

don't you know what the problem is? do you need to get peopleñr in room to study to figure out what the issue here is? >>e1 katy, you andñi i know it. republicans in the house don't know it, maybe a less thanko■ a handful who voted for any of these bills, andok kevin mccart as speaker, and lauren boebert carrying guns on to thev floor, and several other people have done it, and they're not going to vote foru you may get a couple of them with theñi blue ribbon panel. i don't know, but you're not going to get them withoutfá somethingxd different andçóu something, maybe religiousçó e1 figures, southern rligious figures say, something hasçó to happen. they havaúpo have their mental health, their mental attitude to change, to vote for anything. c georgia who was distributing those ar-15 pins, the rifle pins, that's@rnm again to a lot

of members who were wearing them on the house floor, including george santos of new@xúrk and annaxd paulina luna of new york. you can see. i don't understand what might make you rethink your positionu if it's not dead kids. >> dead kidsu newtown, in sandy hook, in uvalde, the u political power, the gun money they make. that's what pushes thet( nra. it's just -- it's horrificfá to adjust their thinking do better t))mfáe1e1 thoughts a prayers. that's ww/sfine. you have to do more than prayer, gete1 guns out of these people' hands. you're note1 going to stop all e killings, but you'll stop some of them, and it's just a matter of we don't need morqv assault weapons. we don't need more high capacity

óaeazines. we've got to have red flag laws everywhere. we need to take out.,i] check pe that's another way to stop them. right now in congress, it's pathetic. it's hard for me to serve up there now, with some of the people that i have had to serve with. i mean, they are part of the q danger. i mean4■m they could go, i'm nou going to get into 4rjt. it's just that they are so attachedu hope on them. >> i think it's hard for my generation might be the last generation that didn't really çó experiencem

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hang on, luigi. [ ominous music playing ] [ screaming ] yes! fire! [ chuckling ] we just learned about anotherñi shooting in tennesseeu school5a■ shooting. and i am trulyq without words. and our children deserve better.

and we stand, all of us, we stand with nashvillexd inq pray. >> first lady frustration ande1 anger and sadness that everyone ise1 feelg thatxd our children deserve better. the question is who will actually actñiçóçó to make thin better. three kids and three adults were killed at a school shooting in nashville. according to everytown gun safety, this is now the 33nd incident of gunfire on school grounds in 2023. it is march 27th. joining me now is mom's demand action for gun sense in america founder shannon watts. ixd played that soundñi byte fr theu when she says this our prayers are with nashville, sheñ gets almost no applause. it's strikingly different than the other remarks she gave, our kids deserve çóbetter, everyone

applauded, and it seems to me that even bringing up the idea of prayers is just frustrating and almost not to say that she intended it this way, but grotesque for a lot of people in this country when you're talking about sending your prayerslp to their kids to an assaulte1 rifl. >> she absolutely did not mean it that way, obviously. m#■ no, obviose1ñ but the idea of bringing up prayers, period. >> yes, i think again in this country now fore1 years andok years we've heard mostly republican lawmakers offer thoughts and prayers and actions, his thoughts and prayers. this is a christian school, noq lackñr of prayers going on, a lk of p,■action. this isñi a governor who has weakened gun laws over and over again and signed something called permitless çócarry, legislation thatxd allows peopl to carry hidden loadede1 hand-p

in public, makes it easier for dangerous people to access and carry guns in public. he signed that legislation at a gun manufacturing plant in 2021. and he has the nerve to offer t again.eyó these are not acts of nature. these are manmade acts of powerlessness, enabled by lawmakers who haveçó decided th children being shot in schools return for the support of the gun industry. >> we're throwing around a lot of stats today. the 33nd incident of gun violence at schools this year alone. hundreds of mass shootingsñi th year alone, et cetera. this is the stat that gets me. the leading cause of death for kids in this t(country, notok c accidents, not cancer, they're

shootings, gun violence is the leading cause of death for kids in this country according to recent study by kaiser familye1 foundation. and it's despicable, imagine if anythingxd else was causing so many in the country to be killed. hundreds are killed, hundreds more aree1 wounded, and yet, we have lawmakers like who showed the picture the congressman had on his christmas card, you know, zr°e■ 'c■displaying assault rifles. this is a culture that is killing us, and in fact, i mentioned that ine1 5a■tennesse they weakened their gun laws over and over qagain, you would think, according to their rhetoric that that would somehow be making the people of tennessee safer. in fact, gun homicides have gone 110% in that state in the last decade. we have 400 million guns in this country. if more gun laws andw3çóok made

safer, we would be the safest in the world. we have a 26 times higher gun homicide rate than any peer nation. nation. it is easy access to guns.d u)j yet we see these gun extremists celebrating this culture of gun violence and gun deaths. the good news is we have elections again around the corner. theu our voices and our votes, we can effect change just like we passed the first federal legislation in a generation las■ year, but it will take everyone: i'm '3%9 listening to this, text the word ask to 64433, and get off the sidelines. if gun violence hasn't come to your community, it will. >> according t the kaiser family foundation, guns are the american kids. shannon watts, thank you very much. and we're staying with the

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the last couple ofjf day you've been frustrated by the investigation. >> i'm not frustrated by anything. i did a speech for two hours. i'm not frustrated by anything. i had polls come out, we're 40 points ahead. this is what i hate about fake news. >> frustrated by the investigation, sir. >> i'm not frustrated bye1 it.jf it's a fake investigation. we did nothing wrong. i told you that. this is fake news, and nbc is one of the worste1e1 at it. don't ask me anymore e1question >> vaughn hillyard interviewed the former president aboard his9 rally on waco, texas, on saturday. the manhattan grand jury is back in session. this afternoon, axd source with dirño■ knowledge tells nbc news jurors are hearing from another witness. we don't know who that witness is. but we do know who it is not. michael cohen, nor stormy

daniels will be appearing in court today. joining me from outside of the ew yorku is nbc news correspondent garrett haake in west palm beach inq mar-a-lago is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. you have been watchingzv■ those doors all day, i imagine if you e s have an idea of who thate1 migh be? >> reporter: katy, i'm going to walk ourfá viewers through whats a bit of a gray area right now, but an individual has just left the prosecutor's office wm looks an awfule1 lot like david pecker, theçó former head of th "national enquirer," a key figure in the entire investigation. he was someone who helped broker these payments to stormy daniels in 2016, 2017, that time period, he's also someone who has already testified once before this grand jury back in l■ january. people who laid eyes on him, took photos on him all agreed that it sureu pecker, and other news organizations including "the new york times"xdv was, in fact, david pecker.

out of an abundance of caution, i'm not going to say for certain we think it was 100% david becker but we are out to david pecker to confirm that it was he who testified before the grand jury today. why that would be a major development, again, this would be a witness appearing for a that might happen if a grand jury has follow up questions based one1 other evidence that they've seenxd and are intervenq two months now. it does confirm what we thought going into today that there was witness, not necessarily a new 7 witness this grand jury would want to hear from, and again, the idea of bringing someone back again tracks with what we know about the idea that this probe is likely near q(a■ conclusion. they have heard from a defensex witness, essentially a person put forward byxd donald i]trump and, if indeed they heard from david pecker /ich appears up around 5:00 p.m. they++ so tell me about what

the president told you and i guess what the latest is from inside trump world? >> right. truth social over the last two weeks has been active but it wasn't until this weekend we heard these words come from his mouth and it was first on the waco campaign stage in which he talked repeatedly about this idea of prosecutorial misconduct and essentially for donald trump, so much of his future is

lying on his political one and so the potential criminal proceedings he will have no control over. the grand jury is going to indict him whether donald trump wanted it to happen or not. it's trying to control the framing of i want to play an exchange, despite you telling me i had no more questions i was able to slip in one more one was around the potential of destruction and death if charges were to be brought against him. i asked him about that and also about the january 6th capital insurrection footage ahead of his waco speech. take a listen to my question. >> the other day you put out there would be potentially disruption if you were to be indicted. today, up on the rally stage you had video of january 6th playing behind you. my question to you would

potentially violence be just final. january 6th just justifiable. >> i don't like violence, and i'm not for violence at all. a lot of people are upset and they rigged an election, stole an election. they did many bad things. they did a fake dossier. >> where do you think you go from here? >> i have no idea what's going to happen. i can tell you they have no case so i think they've already dropped the case. >> katie, we watched the former president galvanize thousands of folks on january 6th. about 1,000 defendants have been charged by the department of justice tied to the capitol siege there at the transfer of power point. in the words of donald trump again, we are paying close attention to because we know for a fact there are millions listening to the former

president and polling would indicate he's well on to his way to the republican nomination unless someone else is able to undercut him. >> i got an e-mail on my phone from our producer working alongside garrett haake, nbc news can confirm david picker was the witness. he's the former ceo of american media publisher national enquirer. this would be his appearance before the grand jury. he got that on the record. thank you as well. turn to the breaking news out of israel, prime minister benjamin netanyahu will delay unprecedented and controversial plans to overhaul the country's judicial system. his far right government has faced protests with hundreds of thousands of angry israelis in the streets trying to,s as they say, protect the country's democracy. joining me is raf sanchez. the goal was to paralyze the

country, and it worked. there was concern about a pro-judicial move group clashing with the anti-judicial move group. what's happening in the streets? has the delay called things down? >> reporter: well, katie, we're in jerusalem where just across the street from the supreme court and exactly as you said, for the first time today n large numbers, we started to see right wing protesters turning out in support of benjamin netanyahu trying to give him the stiff political spine he needs to keep pushing this judicial overhaul. we heard from the prime minister earlier tonight, and he announced that he was delaying and that is basically a decision he reached in the face of this unprecedented wave of protests and the general strike here in israel. as you said, the airport shut down for outbound flights and as you know that is israel's only

international flight. people unable to leave the country. banks, day cares, even mcdonald's here in israel, were shut down. so benjamin netanyahu announced he is delaying this plan. we do not know if that is going to be enough to satisfy these protesters who want the plan to be dead once and for all. >> there were some incredible images out of israel. hundreds of thousands of people in the streets demanding the country be saved from benjamin netanyahu. i saw you on the ground monk the protesters today. thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. does expecting another update on thec national shooting around 5:00 national shooting around 5:00 p.m. eastern.ce, "deadline white house" is next o and nicolle wallace is back.r wn , we thought we'd try electric unicycles. whoa! careful, babe! saving was definitely easier. hey babe, i think i got it! it's actually... whooooa! ok, show-off! help! oh! only pay for what you need.

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