>> -- out of the airport, doing what they did to our boys, out in our work. >> from a national necessity, starting a revolution for women in the workplace, and proud of it. >> in 1940, one it was a man's world. and they did not realize how capable women are. there is nothing that i think women can do. it's up to women, whether she wants a clear raise and a family, or if she wants an astronaut. we have that choice. now >> today, invited to washington on an honor usually reserved for world war ii veterans, dedicated to the rosie's. asking tour guides to impose in front of the suffragettes statue in front of the capital, or visiting the world war ii memorial. >> -- we were doing in to save our country and save our brothers and uncles unanswered whoever was working, doing all that crappy work in a factory, so they could put their lives on the line, it was worth it, to have them come back. >> a group proud of all they accomplished in the war, and

for women for years to come. andrea mitchell, nbc news, washington. >> some genuine all american heroes are taking us off the air tonight. and on that note, i wish you a very good night. it's great to be with my family last week. but i love being back here with you. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. thanks for joining us this hour. really happy to have you here with us tonight. so, this is how the news today in nashville unfolded on live tv and that city. this was in nashville as it happened, live on the channel 4 local news. >> we do anticipate this news conference starting any moment. this will be the first official news conference where we can

hear where police are at with their investigation. -- is joining us live with some perspective, some personal perspective on this as well. joy lynn? >> yeah, there's absolutely no word for what's going on today. i'm actually a school shooting survivor myself. it happened years ago. i was in eighth grade, and all of this is just flooding, back flashback for me. and what i went through with my classmates, i was actually in the hall wagering break when the gunman opened fire, shooting one of my peers and killing them. and after hearing the, gunshots i just knew to run and hide. i hid underneath the risers in my class. and those minutes and hours of waiting for police officers it just felt like a lifetime. >> today nashville. and you know, this is obviously a really big country. something like 800 different local news stations from coast

coach. and you have an office reaction to have. you watch that, you think wow, what are the odds that this reporter, this person who survived a school shooting as a kid, grew up to be a tv report -- just happen to be on duty the same day there was a school shooting right down the street from where she worked, what are the odds to the people who cover the news and up having a personal connection like that the gun violence and report on network. well, it turns out in this country, the odds of that are really not terrible, because this was also today, also in nashville. >> we're hearing from their administrators, letting them know that they are okay, and they're monitoring the situation closely. holly, amanda? >> speaking, that i'm getting emails from my child school that they're going to lockdown at this time, just as the precaution and it one of my other children schools is working with security to make

sure they got everyone safe. >> we're going to be okay. >> all right. >> we're going to be okay. >> so, that anchor you saw the end there, sobbing at the end, and the reporter usages before her, herself with a school shooting survivor, they both work at the same local tv station in nashville, tennessee, a local nbc affiliate there. this is another local station in nashville, this is news channel five this afternoon. >> i am here now with hannah, and i'm saying you've been giving a message. >> yes, so, i want to make sure was okay with her before i talked about it her experience. my mother-in-law, who is at the front desk, angel, she is. and she was at the school this morning. however, diana was able to come out of this place. she actually stepped away to take a break. that is why right now, i am

torn. >> you probably could have saved her life that she stepped away. but >> correct. >> this nightmarish phenomenon of news reporters, news anchors finding themselves covering gun violence that is in realtime threatening their own families. that is in realtime, calling back to the previous school shootings that they themselves have survived. i mean, these dynamics, i mean, especially for those of us in this business, it's like something that you want to weigh yourself up from, right? but it's not just happening here in their. it is not even just the phenomenon that is unique to nashville. this, for example, was wednesday. this was five days ago in denver, colorado. . >> sandra, that is so encouraging to hear as a parent. excuse me, my son just came up. and i've not seen him. come over here. so, i'm sorry, i have not seen

my kid this whole weekend. so, just really, i'm so sorry, i'm sorry. >> are you good? i'm sorry, i'm so sorry. there's no way you would let your kid just walk. by >> if you need to step aside, please do. >> okay, okay, he's good. okay, he's good. yeah, he's the one, he's the one who is telling me what was happening. and my sister telling me what her daughter was telling her. >> he was the one who is telling me what was happening. this reporter source inside the school, the one giving her realtime information whether shooter in that building, her source was her own son. her student at that school. that was five days ago. just a few months ago, it happened in st. louis. a radio report, live on the air, when her 17 year old daughter texted her there is an active shooter inside her school. this -- quote, this, morning i was on the air when my daughter began texting me that the school was on lockdown, firing, screaming.

and then i had to begin talking on air but the latest school shooting in the air in america, the one of my daughters school. october for those. look at these text messages. this is an 18-year-old college freshman, emma riddle, she's in her dorm room in michigan state earlier this year when she sent these texts to her dad. police said the shooters the i.m. east building, which was right next where i am, are still in lockdown. he has not been caught. her dad replies, what can i do? and emma rights back, i'm hiding under my desk with my roommates. just pray for me, and know i love. you >> have guys back, i love you so. much you're going to be okay. i am right here. but then look at what emma writer that next. quote, i never thought i would have to go through this again. yes, again, because before emma riddle survived a school shooting, her freshman year of college, just weeks ago at michigan state, same girl had previously survived a shooting at her high school, when a gunman opened fire there and killed three students and injured eight others.

that was only in 2021. and then she graduated high school, went off to michigan state for college, right into a another mass shooting. this young woman has survived to school shootings in the span of 15 months. gun murders, mask gun murders, are so common in this country that's entirely possible you might survive a mass shooting only to endure another one. that is the thing that happens now in our country. it is statistically possible. gun murders are in fact so common in this country, that the shooter in one attack and shoot and kill 11 people, drive to a nearby parking lot to kill himself, at the site of where another mass shooting had occurred just a few years prior. that literally happened earlier this year. the shooter in the monterey park, california, mass shooting, you remember, the guy who shot up that dance hall and killed all those innocent people during the lunar new year celebrations in monterey park? after he killed all those people in the dance call, he then went to a parking lot and

shot himself there. it was the parking lot of a bowling alley, where a separate mass shooting had killed three people in 2021. mass shootings are so common in this country, that if you yourself where the survivor of mass shooting, you might even one day fighter self on vacation with your family. and on vacation, you might find yourself down the road from another mass shooting in progress. that happened today, to a woman named ashley easily in nashville. the press conference location was set up for reporters to brief officials on what their due. when police officials were done briefing reporters, ashley beasley just went up there herself as an american citizen, caught in the middle of this one too. and she said this. >> i'm getting tired of having to be here and covering all these massive shootings. i'm from -- illinois, my son survived a mass shooting over the summer. i am in tennessee on a family vacation with my son, visiting my sister-in-law.

i have been logging in d.c. since we survived a mass shooting in the lie. i have talked with over 130 lawmakers. how is this still happening? our children still dying and why are we feeling them? gun violence is the number one killer of children and teens. it has overtaken cars. assault weapons are contributing to the border crisis, and fentanyl, we are arming cartels with our guns in our loose gun laws, and these shootings, these mass shootings will continue to happen until our lawmakers step up and pass gun safety legislation. aren't you guys tired of this? are you guys sick of it? we have to do something. we all have to call our lawmakers. and we all have to make our lawmakers may change. now where this is gonna keep happening, and it's gonna be your kid, and your kid, and your kid, and your kid next. because it's just a matter of time. >> she just survived another mass shooting, highland park, illinois, survived that with her son. she says her son is still deeply traumatized by that.

and went on a family vacation, families vacation visiting tennessee today, when she and her family and up in the middle of another mass shooting. the fact that reporters are covering shootings at their own kids schools, that people were surviving multiple mass shootings before their legally allowed to drink, these aren't crazy coincidences. this is a measure of the prevalence of this problem in our country. this time, the stuff is happening over and over and over again because mass shootings really do happen that frequently in the united states. in terms of today's, at this hour, police say the shooter is dead. shooter is a 28-year-old twenties -- tennessee, resident student of the school, who identifies as transgender. although some confusion around that for much of the day today. the shooter has no previous criminal record, was reportedly carrying three firearms, an ar-15 style rifle, an ar style pistols, as well as a handgun,

police believe at least two of those weapons were obtained legally in nashville. these say the still working on a motive. inside the shooters apartment, they say they found some sort of manifesto, as well as other writings police say pertain to today's date. authorities are definitively calling this today a targeted attack, one that was carefully planned with detailed maps and surveillance that took place ahead of the incident. and what's the end result? two little girls and a little boy, ages eight and nine, were killed, as we're three adult staff and faculty, who are all in the early 60s. joining us now is the mayor of nashville, tennessee, john. cooper mayor cooper, thank you so much for being with us tonight. i'm so sorry for what happened in your city today. >> well, thank you for having me. this is our worst day. natural has had tragedies before. but we've gone through. that but this is our worst. day we're resilient city, but it's a shock to have to add are

named list of places where there's been masculate of children. >> what can you tell us about the victims? one of the things that was not clear in the immediate aftermath but seems clear now is that while there were six people shot and killed, three little kids and three adults, it doesn't seem like there were other people who were injured, who were heard and needed care afterwards. can you tell us anything about the logistics about this, about the victims, about what you know what the circumstances of these deaths? >> well, the police are working hard, i suspect either tonight or tomorrow they will be releasing body camera footage and maybe some footage from the school bus, as they're trying to establish the timeline. the three adults were to teachers and one custodian. and in the three children, but the order in which this

happened and how it was this particular six, i don't think is established. >> i've been told tonight, mister mayor, that you are able to speak with president biden earlier this evening. i'm wondering if you can tell us anything about that, and what he was able to offer. >> well, i appreciate the presidents call. i mean, it's a tragedy. it's one that he said he's far too familiar with. he spent a lot of his lifetime in politics dealing with this increasing epidemic of gun violence, were guns and gun violence is the number one cause of child but -- death, which is just shocking and needs to be changed. i'm grateful, he was very knowledgeable about the amazing response times by our police department, which arrived quickly and was very effective with the shooter. it could have been much worse clearly. and again, are very brave

officers rushed to gunfire and engage the shooter. and we're grateful for that, because it could've been much worse, atascosa filled with so many children. >> mayor cooper, is there anything you and national need tonight that you do not have? >> well, we need to support each other. nashville is a resilient city. we're a welcoming city. it's a shock that it happened here. but there is a mental health challenge that i've gotten to spiegel with a lot of mayors around the country today, where this is happened in their cities. and the one thing that they say is the residual mental health needs of the community are underestimated. the mental health needs of the officers are underestimated. it is far more toxic and traumatic then you fear, even fear that it will be. so, in the weeks and months

ahead, your thoughts and prayers, and then again, i think accepting that a terrible, evil thing has happened. and of course we should feel bad about it. >> mayor john cooper of nashville, tennessee, sir, thank you for joining us on a really difficult night. the whole country has natural in their thoughts tonight. thank you. >> while, we appreciate the country having us in those thoughts and prayers. and again, let's just hope that we can get beyond this epidemic of gun violence. >> thank you, sir. good luck to you. >> thank you. >> a scary and as horrifying as the scene was today a natural, it was of course very familiar. and it brought to mind one of the worst incidents of gun violence anywhere in the world. i spent a little over ten years since a young man with an assault rifle killed 26 people at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. most of them just look at, most of the little first graders. one of them was -- and the aftermath of the sandy

hook tragedy, dylan's mom, nicole, summon the strength to become a leading voice on the issue of gun violence. she heads of sandy hook promise, which is a nonprofit dedicated to trying to prevent violence in schools, and then homes and communities, in the most practical. ways they've reached over 80 million people with violence prevention programs. more than 23,000 schools and youth organizations nationwide, they reach tons and tons of people, trying, again, to find practical solutions to stop this epidemic. after the shooting in natural today, nicole hockley said this online. she said, quote, we have the solutions, yet we mostly don't use. them? why because too many people love guns more than children and fight against all measures. praying for the family, pistol off at cowards and profiteers. joining us now is nikole hockley, she's cofounder and

ceo of sandy hook promise. miss hockley, it is nice to see you. i'm story that is under terrible circumstances. thank you for taking time to be with us tonight. >> thank you rachel, it's always good to -- but it's always under awful situations. >> yeah, let me ask you to expand a little bit on what you said today in the immediate aftermath of this news. you said we have solutions, we mostly don't use them. you said we're praying for these families, but you said you're angry, said your ticked off at the profiteers. what did you mean by that? >> exactly that, i am so heartbroken, continue to be heartbroken every single day. there have been so many incidences of gun violence, so many incidences of school shootings. my heart just can't take it anymore, and now i'm just really ticked off. again, there are too many people that just want to debate about this, and want to talk about why we shouldn't talk about it now, or that now isn't

the time, or that we need to protect gun owners suffers. and i honestly think that the majority of gun owners want to see these solutions to. they probably purchased their guns to protect their family. they don't want gun violence. they don't want school shootings, and neither does anyone else. so, why don't we take the solutions that are on the play right now, such as -- , such as background checks, such as magazine limits or even assault weapons ban, use something about it rather than this constant, endless cycle of conversation that actually doesn't go anywhere, when we know these solutions work and we know it's what people want. >> those practical measures that you just described, particularly the first three, the assault weapons ban, safe storage, background checks, magazine limits, the public opinion polling on that shows not only americans want those things and support those kind of practical solutions in overwhelming numbers, most gun owners do as well.

and that's been true for a long time. so, i guess i'm wondering if somebody's been working on this, again, in very practical ways, do you see any distance closing between the views of americans, including gun owners, and the advocacy groups and politicians who won't allow for practical solutions like those? >> i think the distance is closing, and we saw a big gap in that decrease last year with the passage of the bipartisan safer communities act, where we saw congress could come together from both sides and agree on a set of common sense legislation that would prevent violence, in particular, gun filed. however, it's not enough. we know there's so much momentum to do. my organization can is to focus on teaching the sides. how do you recognize someone who is going into crisis or who isn't dangerous of hurting themselves and taking action. but we also need legislation to support and enforce that. and i still think they're far too many piloted shuns in particular that are focused on

their careers more than about being on the right side of history and doing the right things by good. that needs to change. and also, there's bills, the gun industry that's more focused on profit and measures, you know, we still hear them talk about more people need guns. that's the way to prevent bad people with guns. that's the way to prevent criminals. not every shooter is a criminal. they don't start that way. they start as a normal person, and through circumstances, it escalates into violence. the difference is they have access to firearms. , so if we are better about how we ensure is someone capable of having a firearm, are they mentally able to have that firearm, are they in crisis or not? and stop thinking about money, stop thinking about careers, think about your children. how do you want their school experience to be? if you want them to come home every single day? if you don't care, and then continue on the path you are.

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one minute of video that i want to show. you >> saw, this is your queue if you're watching the dishes, doing your dishes, this is the part that you should look at this. go ahead. put it up. here you'll see in the video there is this woman and she is holding the blue fagg which stars on it. that is the flags of the eu, the european union flag. you can see, there is a young man who got knocked down, blown across the pavement. a water cannon being aimed at them. and you see her starting to get help. the guy in the red cap comes forward first to help or stand, so she won't be knocked down and pushed back by the water cannon. but then you see there's these other people, as they realize, she still standing. but she's not afraid. she is afraid. but she still waving that flag, she's refusing to be pushed back. and when they realize she's not backing down, more people join her and link arms with each other around her to hold her up. and it's mostly men, at least

one woman. and they're holding on to each other so they can keep standing against this water cannon in. and the people in front get knocked down by the water cannon. but they're standing together, ultimately, there's enough of them so that she's able to stay standing, keep waving that flag. and eventually, more and more people are coming forward to hold on. but they could no longer -- eventually the police stop. they go from trying to knock down this one woman with the flag, to turning it off. they stop when everybody comes forward to back her up. this was earlier this month in georgia. georgia the country. not georgia the state. it's in their capital city. we and these protesters, you should know, they won. not just that woman who kept waving the flag, but the protesters that she was with, they won. russia has been trying to exert more control over all the countries in the former soviet union, including georgia.

and russia basically told the georgia government that they should have a law like putin did, in russia, back in 2012. it's called the foreign agent law. and it's basically denying the shutdown of civil society. it lets the government closed down organizations and advocacy groups, news organizations, prosecute people for belonging to them. if those organizations criticize the government, or if they do anything else with the government of anything like. putin did this in russia, in 2012, to shut down society in his country. to get rid of his rifles and public critics, to shut down all week -- and now he's trying to get other countries that he wants to be in the russian orbit, including georgia. he's trying to get those other countries to think like this to. and, the problem is that the people in georgia don't want that. they don't want to be some russian outpost, by a large margin, they want to be part of the west. they want to join nato, for example. they want to join the european union. hence this woman waving the eu

flag. and when russia told the georgian government they need to pass this new law that would essentially get rid of civil society and journalism in their country, the people of georgia poured out into the streets night after night. to protest. and there was peaceful protest. they did spray-paint, things like no to putin and f putin both in georgian english. they came out and they said that they were with the protests, they were not with the government on this. they do not support this russian pro law. , and in the face of those big protest, eventually, that government and that country decided they couldn't barrett. and so they drop the bill. they drop the bill. government gave up. they also freed all the people who had been arrested in these peaceful protests in the street at the georgia capital. this was less than three weeks ago. it worked. the people did it.

they stopped the law that would've undone a civil society, voluntary organizations to advocacy journalism. that was just this month. earlier this month in the nation of georgia. here's what that same dynamic looks like in the nation of israel. we have been covering this for a few weeks here on the show, this has been the largest mass demonstration, the largest popular protests in the history of our country since 25 years ago. the prime minister there has been indicted on corruption charges. perhaps coincidentally, he decided at the same time that he now believes the court system needs to be no longer independent. he's decided that he wants to take control of the judicial system now. but the people of that country have taken to the streets to say, no. no, you cannot have a democracy without law enforcement that is independent and free from political control. people turned out in the streets, and lots of cities all over israel in huge unprecedented numbers.

members of the military said that they too objected. they said, without a real court system, without a real independent judiciary they'd be forced to comply with unconstitutional illegal orders. because there would be no court system to call those orders unconstitutional. they therefore conveyed that there were going to be problems in the military as well as in the streets if they want to head with this judicial takeover. this weekend, the defense minister said, you know, what we cannot do this. i am a part of this government. but i am in opposition now, to what the prime minister is trying to do in taking over the legal system. the fence lycra terry came out and said, no, we cannot do this. and when the prime minister fired the defense secretary in response, people came out overnight, last, night by the hundreds of thousands. and then, today, they turned it up even further. all universities in the country closed. no flights out of the country's main airport, ports closed, malls close, stores, fast food

chain, libraries, museums, all closed. main roads, blocked. hospitals, hospital suspended, everything but emergency care. even the diplomats went on strike. their embassies and consulates around the world, close. the head of their consulate quit his job in protest. and every major city in the country, people turned out in the streets, waving flags, singing the national anthem saying, hands off the judiciary, hands off the court system, our legal system stays independent. you will not take it over. we are not giving up this pillar of what makes us a democracy. they also have -- today, they won. the prime minister delay, delay, delay the speech that was supposed to make to the public about how he was going ahead with this plan no matter what. but then, finally, he did give that speech and he announced, okay, we are showing. it we're not gonna force it through like they were planning it. just not yet. so, it.

worked in both places. less than three weeks apart. one place, today, in israel, one place earlier this month in georgia. people in the hundreds of thousands saying, no. really loudly. when they honestly run a clinic on what it means to say no to authoritarian style takeovers. the stick up for your democracy, to know what makes our democracy real and to say, no, you guys cannot take that away. we will defend our democracy. we will defended. it is not your mistake. it is our collectively -- and worked, the push towards authoritarianism israel. all over the world. there is pressure on democracies everywhere, authoritarianism democracy is rising everywhere. but also, everywhere, there are citizens of democratic countries who get it and who aren't giving it up without a fight. and, the secret of course is that when you fight, you very often when. and, when you don't fight, you

always lose. tonight, in the state of georgia, here in the united states, the republicans have just within the past hour finalize legislation that would allow them to remove from office, the prosecutor. the georgia prosecutor in fulton county who's leading a criminal investigation that could result in criminal charges against former president, donald trump. republican governor in georgia, brian kemp, said he supports this legislation. he's there for expectation to sign it. we in the face of the leader of their party, facing potential indictment, georgia republicans have decided for the first time in thursday the judicial system would be subject to a new participant test. the republican controlled legislature, tonight, has awarded itself the ability to remove prosecutors who bring cases they do not like. and this is not in georgia, the country this is in georgia here.

and i put this up alongside, this happened in georgia, what just happened in israel. because i do think it's sometimes easier to see the pattern of this when you see them part -- when you see them happening in other countries. especially when they have been in totally different parts of the world. but this one, this one is happening to us here at home. the question is, honestly, it is not why republicans are trying to dismantle this part of our legal system. the question for us is whether anyone's going to stand up for that part of our legal system and tried to save. more head, tonight. stay with us. house says use realtor.com to see homes in your budget. you're staying in school, jacob! realtor.com. to each their home. ♪

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not tolerate attempts to intimidate our officer threaten the rule of law. on the point of intimidation, if this prosecutor's office and all prosecutors office really don't tolerate attempts at intimidation, it's worth asking what the implications of that might be and for home? what does that mean in practical terms. because the threat to prosecutor alvin bragg and his office in new york, they are not arriving out of the mis-c, they're not driving out of the and noble -- these threats are coming because the subject of one of his ongoing criminal investigations appears to be trying to stop these threats. former president donald trump, last, week warned that if he did get charged by alvin bragg's office the result would be, quote, death and destruction. he then called mr. brag a degenerate psychopath. and in another post he complained, quote, our country is being destroyed as they tell us to be peaceful. and just in case that was still too subtle, he then posted this.

juxtapose photo of trump wielding a baseball bat right next to alvin bragg's head. we have no idea when or even if the manhattan da's office is going to charge former president trump with anything. but in the meantime, as alvin bragg says his office does not and cannot tolerate intimidation, this all feels pretty intimidating at a very practical level. and then there is the issue, the further issue of what happens when the leader of a political party starts explicitly endorsing violence against the government. at least pretty explicitly endorsing it. this weekend, the same former president held a rally in waco texas on the 30th anniversary of a federal siege that has been invoked for decades by the white power movement and the violent right of ajax to -- against the u.s. government. when he combined that staging with an extended homage at that rally to people who have

committed violence against the government, when he praised people at that rally who are imprisoned because of their alleged participation in the attack of the alleged capitol under anywhere, six praising people for committing violence against the government. putting his rally at the site of a place that, for, decades has been used to justify violence against the government. saying that the government is a degenerate psychopath that is bringing charges against him and that would result in death and destruction. when you put those things together that's the sort of thing that makes you want to call to our experts in this type of thing. experts particularly in where it leads. joining us now is a new york university history perfecter, -- , the author of the book store mid from -- she also writes a suspect newsletter called lucid, which is about threats to democracy. thank you so much for being with us. >> yes. >> let me first just ask, you if i've said anything the wrong way around,, juxtaposing these items, looking to confirming

things in the pattern that look after your inappropriate. >> no, not at all. it is all one part of the authority -- so the people who authoritarians go after because they are all very corrupt our prosecutors, judges, the modern playbook -- you like them to degenerates and putin will trump up sex crime target so they can seem obedient. and they also want to poison in the public's mind, journalist. so basically anyone who can prosecute or harm or exposed the corruption in crime of these individuals, trumping one of them. he comes a target. and, at the same time you need to kind of prepped the public to be ready to defend you. and it's a very interesting thing to me that trump started talking about the possible indictment and made a spectacle out of it.

because it exceed his -- it is very important that he can be the victim. and the rosters of enemy has to keep expanding,? right at cpac and then at waco's the enemies list is longer and longer. and, in fact, at, waco the valley he had a placard witch hunt passed out -- >> preprint id. >> yes. so that they could get on tv. and so it's very important for his bonding with the public to be the victim. and the victim of this is very lucrative since this idea of a possible indictment came out he raised over one point $5 million. >> in terms of the important of finding himself as a victim, he's effectively making a case to his supporters that extreme action is justified to rescue him, -- who are tolerable people.

how does violence fit into that? obviously the january six example, the people who have been prosecuted for their role and bringing violence to bear that they are happy to continue with the consequences in the criminal justice system. he's talking about them too and having them unfairly prosecuted. how does the threat of violence, the threat of political violence in his name -- how is that evolving now as he faces indictment? >> yes, i've been tracking it for years and i wrote a report for the january six committee on how trump -- since 2016, he used his rally as radicalization sites. and he did what all authoritarians have done, including hitler. he wanted to change the public's perception of violence. because in order to have an extremist movement and a private army, which is basically what he and also

bolsonaro, i mean, today maybe you can get the military so you have a civilian army of extremists. so to have people see violence and not be repugnant. you have to change the perception. we have to change the idea that perhaps violence can be morally justified, necessary and even patriotic. and since trump was already doing this and now there is a huge push with the help of fox and the gop because they're all involved in this criminal there cover-up. and so now at waco the people who are sitting in jail for january six, now there is a january six choir and the patriots and marjorie taylor greene is there calling the patriots to visit them in prison. >> and, so it's the same line now because you have to say both that they did nothing along but also they are violent to the extent that they committed violence was justified. that's a double sided argument. >> yes, and it's been like that,

fascism and on the one hand the strongman gives license to be violent. he tells people that it is justified and that he will reward violence. on the other hand, violence has disdain high. it has to be made palatable to the broader public. so they're always walking that line between inciting violence and also having to whitewash it and massage it. and that is what trump is doing, now many authoritarians have done. >> ruth ben-ghiat a professor history at nyu, she's the author of the book strongman, her -- is called lucid. it's really good to have you here. >> thank you. >> all right, we'll be right back, stay with us. want luxury hair repair that doesn't cost $50? pantene's pro-vitamin formula repairs hair. as well as the leading luxury bonding treatment.

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for me tonight. a special shout out to those in the makeup room at msnbc tonight. they had no idea that i was here. and i walked in to get makeup done two minutes before the show and they had nothing prepared they scrambled into action. and it had not look like i was nixon, buried and dug. up you guys are absolutely freaking amazing, i'm sorry about the cross why are's. thank you for all you. do, now it's time for the last word with lawrence or donald. >> good evening rachel. i could talk about -- every. night by the way -- >> we'll coworkers. >> just, by the, way he spent a little more than two minutes on me, okay?

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