standard. is that desantis's biggest problem do you think? >> there is the circle around trump whenever he gets in trouble. i think that is -- in addition there is the thing they're talking about. he's not an entertainer but he can't be judged by that standard. he can be judged by the conventional politician standards. and there is no part of him that actively shined. and he can also refuse to engage trump directly even though for that case looks like the one who was a fighter opinion someone who is not a fighter. >> someone is not a fighter, and also, someone who seems like they have debate on stage. that one i will not miss. charles, appreciate your reporting from waco. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> that's all in on this monday

night. thanks to you at home for joining us. happy to have you with us here tonight. this is how the news unfolded today, in nashville. how the news unfolded on live tv in that city as it was happening. this was on the channel 4 local news in nashville. >> we anticipate this news conference starting at any moment. first official news conference where we can hear where investigators are in their investigation. some personal perspective on this as well. >> yeah, there's absolutely no words for what's going on today. i'm actually at school, a shooting survivor myself, happened years ago, it was if eighth grade and all of this is flooding back flashbacks for me and what i went through with my classmates.

i was actually in the hallway during break when the gunman opened fire shooting one of my peers and killing them and just after hearing the gunshots i just knew to run and i hid underneath the risers in my choir class and those minutes and hours of waiting to be released by police officers that just felt like a lifetime. >> that was today in nashville and this is obviously really big country, something like 800 different local news stations from coast to coast. you have an reaction to that video. what are the odds that this person who in this case survived a school shooting as a kid grew up to be a tv reporter, and in her job just so happened to be the reporter on duty the same day there was a school shooting just like the one she personally survived, except this time she's grown up and now she's covering it as a news reporter, what are the odds? what are the odds that the people covering the news will have this personal connection to

the gun violence they're responsible for reporting on? the odds of that are really not terrible. because this was also today. also in nashville. >> we're hearing from their administrators letting them know they're okay and they're monitoring the situation closely. >> i'm getting e-mails from my child's school they're going into lockdown at this time just as a precaution and one of my other children's schools is working with security to make sure they got everyone safe. >> it's going to be okay. >> it's going to be okay. both that anchor at the end and the reporter who saw you just before her, her herself was a school shooting survivor they both work at the same local tv station in nashville. this was another local station in nashville today. news channel 5 this afternoon.

>> i'm here now with hannah and i understand you've been given a message. >> yes, so, i wanted to make sure it was okay with her before i talked about her experience. my mother in law is the front desk angel, she is, she was at the school this morning, however diana was able to come out of this safe. she actually stepped away to take a break. that's why i'm right now is i'm torn. >> sure. probably could have saved her life that she stepped away. >> correct. >> this nightmarish phenomena of news reporters, news anchors finding themselves covering gun violence that is in real time threatening their own families or calling back to previous school shootings that they themselves have survived. i mean, these dynamics -- especially for those of us in

this business, it's like something that you want to wake yourself up from, right, but it's not just happening here and there. it's not even just a phenomenon that's unique to nashville. this for example was wednesday, this was five days ago in denver, colorado. >> that's so encouraging to hear as a parent -- excuse me my son just came up, i hadn't seen him. come up here. i hadn't seen my kid since -- i'm so sorry. i'm so sorry. all right, okay. i'm so sorry. no way you'd let your kid walk by. >> if you need to step aside, please do. >> okay, okay. he's okay. he's good. you good? yeah. he's good. he's the one who was telling me what was happening and my sister telling me what her daughter was telling her.

>> "he was the one who was telling me what was happening." her source inside the school the one giving her realtime information about the shooter inside that building, the source was her own son, a student at the school. that was five days ago. just few months ago it happened in st. louis, a radio reporter live on air, when her daughter texted her with an active shooter inside her school. sirens, screaming. then i have to begin talking on the air about the latest school shooting in america, the one at my daughter's school. that was object in st. louis. look at these text messages. this is an 18-year-old college freshman in her dorm room at michigan state. earlier this year when she sent these texts to her dad, the police said the shooter at the im east building, which is right next to us. her dad replies, what can i do?

she replies, i'm hiding under my desk with my roommate. just pray. hey, i love you so much. you're going to be okay. look at what emma wrote next, i never thought i would have to go through this again, yes, again, because before emma riddled survived a school shooting her freshman year of college just weeks ago at michigan state, same girl had previously survived a shooting at her high school when a gunman opened fire there and killed three students and injured eight other, that was only in 2021, then she graduated high school, went off to michigan state for college, right into another mass shooting. this young woman has survived two school shootings in the span of 15 months. gun murders, mass gun murders are so common in this country that it's entirely possible that you might survive a mass shooting only to endure another one. that's a thing that happens now

in our country. it's statistical possible that gun murders are so common in this country that the shooter in one attack could shoot and kill 11 people, drive to a nearby parking lot to kill himself at the site of where another mass shooting happened. that happened earlier this year. the shooter in the monterey park, california, mass shooting, the guy who shot up that dance hall and killed those innocent people during the lunar new year's celebration, after he killed those people in the dance hall he then went to parking lot of a bowling alley, a separate mass shooting in 2021. mass shootings are so common in the country. you might one day find yourself on vacation with your family and on vacation you might find yourself down the road from another mass shooting in progress. that happened today to a woman in nashville. the press conference location was set up for police officials

to brief reporters on what they knew when police officials were done, she just went up there herself as an american citizen, caught in the middle of this one, too. and she said this. >> aren't you guys tired of being here having to cover all of these mass shootings? i'm from highland park, illinois, i'm in tennessee on a family vacation. with my son. visiting my sister in law. i've been lobbying in d.c. since we survived a mass shooting in july. i have met with lawmakers, how is this still happening? how are our children still dying and why are we failing them? gun violence is the number one killer of children and teens. it's overtaken cars. assault weapons are contributing to the border crisis and fentanyl. we're arming cartels with our guns and our loose gun laws and these shootings and these mass

shootings will continue to happen until our lawmakers step up and pass gun safety legislation. aren't you guys tired of this? are you sick of it? we have to do something. we have to call our lawmakers and we all have them make change now, or is this is going to keep happening. it's going to be your kid, your kid, your kid next. >> she just survived another mass shooting in highland park, illinois. she said her son is still deeply traumatized by that. on a family vacation, visiting tennessee today when she and her family end up in the middle of another mass shooting. the fact that reporters are covering shootings at their own kids' schools, that people surviving multiple mass shootings before they're heelly allowed to drink. this is a measure of the prevalence of this problem in this country.

it's happening over and over again, because mass shootings really do happen that frequently in the united states. in terms of today's, at this hour police say the shooter is dead. the shooter is 28-year-old tennessee resident, former student of the school who identifies as transgender, although there was some confusion around that for much of the day today. the shooter has no previous criminal record. was reportedly carrying three firearms. an ar-15-style rifle, an ar-style pistol, as well as a handgun. police believe that two of those weapons were obtained legally in nashville. police say they're still working on a motive inside the shooter's apartment. they found some sort of manifesto. and other writings that pertained to today's date. authorities are definitively calling this today a targeted attack, one that was carefully planned with detailed maps and surveillance that took place ahead of the incident. what's the end result? two little girls and a little

boy, ages 8 and 9, were killed. as well as three adult staff and faculty, all in their 60s. joining us now is the mayor of nashville, tennessee, mayor john cooper. i'm so sorry for what happened in your city today. >> thank you for having me. this is our worst day. nashville's had challenges and tragedies before, but we've gone through that. but this is our worst day. we're a resilient city, it's a shock to have to add our name to places where there have been mass killings of children. >> what can you tell us about the victims? one of the things that was not clear in the immediate aftermath, but seems clearer now is that while there were six people shot and killed, three little kids and three adults, doesn't seem like there were other people who were injured or hurt or in need of care afterwards. can you tell us anything about

the logistics of this, what you know about the circumstances of these deaths? >> well, the police are working hard. i suspect either tonight or tomorrow they'll be releasing body camera footage and maybe some footage from the school as they're trying to establish the time line. the three adults were two teachers and one custodian, and then the three children, but the order in which this happened and how it was this particular six i don't think is established. >> i've been told tonight, mr. mayor, that you were able to speak with president biden earlier this evening, i was wondering if you can tell us anything. >> i appreciate the president's call. it's a tragedy. it's one he said he's far too familiar with. he's spent a lot of his lifetime in politics dealing with this

increasing epidemic of gun violence, where guns and gun violence is the number one cause of childhood death which is just shocking and needs to be changed. i'm grateful he was very knowledgeable about the amazing response time by our police department. which arrived quickly and was very effective with the shooter. it could have been much worse, clearly, and again, our very brave officers rushed to the gunfire and engaged the shooter and we're grateful for that because it could have been much worse in a school filled with so many children. >> mayor cooper, is there anything that you in nashville need tonight that you don't have? >> well, we -- we need to support each other, nashville's a resilient city, we're a welcoming city, it's a shock

that this happened here. but there's a mental health challenge. i've gotten to speak a lot of mayors around the country today where this has happened in their cities. the needs of the community are underestimated. the mental health needs of the officers are underestimated. it's far more toxic and traumatic than you fear it will be. in the weeks and months ahead your thoughts and prayers and again i think accepting that a terrible evil thing has happened and of course we should feel bad about it. >> mayor john cooper of nashville, tennessee, sir, thank you for joining us on a very difficult night. the whole country has nashville in their thoughts tonight. thank you. >> well, we appreciate the country having us in those thoughts and prayers. and again, let's just hope that we can get beyond this epidemic of gun violence.

>> thank you, sir. good luck to you. >> thank you. as scary and as horrifying as the scene was today in nashville it was of course very familiar and it brought to mind one of the worst incidents of gun violence anywhere in the world, a little over ten years since a young man with an assault rifle killed 26 kids in newtown. most of them first graders. one of them was dylan hockley. in the aftermath of the tragedy dylan's mom nicole summoned the strength to become a leading voice. on the issue of gun violence. she heads up sandy hook promise. a nonprofit that's dedicated in trying to prevent violence in schools. at homes and in communities in the most prabt call ways. they reached more than 18 million people with violence prevention programs more than 23,000 schools and youth organizations nationwide,

they have reached tons and tons of people trying to find again practical solutions to stop this epidemic. after the shooting in nashville today, nicole hockley said this online, she said, quote, we have the solutions yet we mostly don't use them, why, because too many people love guns more than children and fight against solid measures, praying for the families. pissed off at cowards and profiteers. ms. hockley it's nice to see you. i'm sorry it's under terrible circumstances. thank you. >> thank you, rachel. it's always good to speak with you but always under awful situations. >> let me expound a little bit about what you said in the immediate aftermath of this news, you said we have solutions that we mostly don't use them, you said you were praying for these families but you said

you're angry, pissed off at the cowards and profiteers what did you mean by that. >> exactly that. i'm so heartbroken and continue to be heartbroken every single day. there have been so many incidents of gun violence and school shootings, my heart can't take it anymore and now i'm just really pissed off. too many just want to debate about this and want to talk about why we shouldn't talk about it now and now isn't the time. or that we need to protect gun owners first. i honestly think a majority of gun owners want to see these solutions, too. they don't want gun violence. they don't want school shootings and neither does anyone else. so why don't we take the solutions on the plate right now, such as safe shortage, such as background checks, such as magazine limits, and do something about it, rather than

this constant endless cycle of conversation that doesn't go anywhere when we know these solutions work. >> those practical measures that you just described, particularly the first three before the assault weapons ban, safe shortage, background checks, magazine limits, the public opinion polling on that show not only do americans want those in overwhelming numbers, most gun owners do, too, and that's been true for a long time. i guess i'm wondering, do you see any distance closing between the views of americans including gun owners and the advocacy groups and politicians who won't allow for practical solutions like this? >> i think the distance is closing and we saw a big gap in that decrease last year with the passage of the bipartisan

package. agree on package on gun violence. we continue to teaching the signs. recognize someone who's going in crisis and taking action. we also need the legislation to support and enforce that. there are far too many politicians in particular that are focused on their careers more than about being on the right side of history and doing the right thing by kids. that needs to change. and also there's still a gun industry that's more focused on profits and measures -- we still hear talk about more people need guns that's the way to prevent bad people with guns. not every shooter is a criminal. they don't start that way.

and through a series of circumstances escalate through violence. the difference is they have access to firearms. if we're better at ensure they're mentally able to have that firearm and stop thinking about money and careers, think about your children, how do you want their school experience to be? do you want them to come home every single day? if you care at all, then you need to do something about it. >> nicole hockley the co-founder and ceo of sandy hook promise. thank you so much for taking time to be here tonight, nicole. it's always good to see you. i swear you'll be back here on happier times. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you, rachel. more ahead here tonight. we'll be right back. stay with us. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel

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get help. help her stand so she won't be pushed back down. other people as they realize that she's still standing, she's not afraid, she's still waving that flag, she's refusing to be pushed back. when they realize she's not backing down more people join her and link arms to hold her up. they're holding on to each other so they can keep standing against this water cannon and the people in front get knocked down by the water cannon. they're standing together. eventually faced with more and more people to come forward they can no longer knock down, eventually the police stop. they go from trying to knock

this one woman with the flag to turning it off. they stop. this was earlier this month in georgia. georgia the country. not georgia the state. in their capital city of tbilisi. these protesters won, not just that woman but the protesters she was with, they won. russia has been trying to exert more control over all the countries of the former soviet union. they should pass a law like putin did in russia back in 2012, the foreign agent law, to shut down civil society, let the government close down organizations and advocacy groups and prosecute people for belonging to them if those organizations criticize the government or if they do anything else that the government doesn't like. putin did this in russia in 2012

to shut down civil society in his country. to shut down all dissent. now he's trying to get other countries that he wants to be in the russia orbit like georgia. and the problem, the people in georgia don't want that. they don't want to be some russian outpost by a large margin they want to be a part of the west. they want to join nato, for example, they want to join european union hence this woman waving the eu flag. and when russia told the georgiian government they needed to pass this new law to essentially get rid of civil society and journalism in their country the people of georgia poured out into the streets night after night to protest and it was peaceful protests. georgia politicians from the ruling party started coming out

and saying they were with the protesters, not with the government on this. they didn't support this russian pro-authoritarian law and in the face of those big protests the government in that country decided they couldn't bear it. so they dropped the bill. they dropped the bill. the government gave up. they also freed all of the people who had been arrested in those big peaceful protests in the streets of the georgia capital. this was less than three weeks ago. it worked. the people did it. they stopped that law that would have undone civil society, voluntary organizations, advocacy groups and journalism. that was earlier this month in georgia. the same dynamic in the nation of israel. these have been the largest maz demonstrations, the largest protests in that country since it was founded 75 years ago. the prime minister has been

indicted on serious corruption charges. he decided at the same time that he now believes the court system needs to be no longer independent. decided that he wants to take control of the judicial system now. but the people of that country have taken to the streets to say no, you can't have a democracy without law enforcement. people turned out in the streets in lots of cities in israel. members of the military said they too objected. they say without a real court system they feel they would be forced to comply with unconstitutional orders. they therefore conveyed there were going to be problems in the military as well as in the streets with this judicial takeover. this weekend the defense minister said we can't do this.

i'm a part of this government but i'm in opposition now to what the prime minister is trying to do in taking over the legal system. the defense secretary said no, we can't do this. when the prime minister fired the defense secretary in response people came out overnight, last night but the hundreds of thousands. and then today, they turned it up even further. all universities in the country closed. no flights out of the country's main airport. ports closed. malls closed. stores, fast food chains, libraries, museums all closed. hospitals suspended everything but emergency care even the diplomats went on strike. the head of their consulate in new york quit his job in protest and every major city in that country waved the flag and singing the national anthem.

and our legal system stays independent. we're not giving up this pillar of what makes us a democracy. they also have won. today, they won. the prime minister delayed and delayed and delayed the speech he was supposed to make to the public, he was going ahead with this plan no matter what, finally he did the speech, he said, actually we're shelling it. they're not going to force it through, at least not yet. it worked in both places less than three weeks apart. one place today in israel. one place earlier this month, in georgia. people in the hundreds of thousands saying no, really loudly, they honestly ran a clinic on what it means to say no to awe the authoritarian-style takeovers, to stick up for your democracy, what it makes it real and saying you can't take that away.

it worked. the push toward authoritarian forms of government is real. all over the world. there's pressure on democracies everywhere. authoritarian governments are rising everywhere, but also everywhere there are citizens of democratic countries who get it and who aren't giving it up without a fight. and the secret of course when you fight you very often win and when you don't fight you always lose. tonight in the state of georgia here in the united states, republicans have just within the past hour finalized legislation that will allow them to remove from office the prosecutor, the georgia prosecutor in fulton county who's leading a criminal investigation that could result in charges against former president donald trump. the republican governor in

georgia brian kemp says he supports this legislation. he's to sign it. georgia republicans have decided for the first time in their state the judicial system will be subject to a new partisan test, the republican-controlled legislation lay turf tonight has rewarded itself the ability to remove prosecutors who bring cases they do not like. this is not in georgia the country. this is georgia here. and i put this up alongside what happened in georgia and israel, i do think it's easier to see the patterns when you see them happening in other parts. this one is happening to us here at home. the question honestly is not why republicans are trying to dismantle this part of our legal system, the question for us is

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last week the office of the new york district attorney who's investigating former president donald trump, that office was surrounded by an intense police presence and of course a full-time media scrum and in the midst of that one sitting u.s. republican said that alvin bragg should himself be jailed.

he should be incarcerated. the d.a.'s office also reportedly received three straight days of bomb threats last week. that same d.a. was also last week mailed an envelope containing some unknown white powder. it was tested it was accompanied by a death threat with no fewer than three exclamation points on it. amid all that, prosecutor alvin bragg sent a note, we don't tolerate the threat to rule of law. if this prosecutor's office really don't tolerate attempts at intimidation, it's worth asking what the implications are? the threats to prosecutor alvin bragg and his office in new york aren't arising out of the mist.

these threats are coming because the subject of one his ongoing investigations is trying to stoke these threats. former president donald trump last week warned that if he got charged by bragg's office there would be quote, death and destruction. another post he complained, quote, our country is being destroyed as they tell us to be peaceful. and just in case that was still too subtle he then posted this, juxtaposed photo of trump wielding a baseball bat right next to alvin bragg's head. we have no idea when or if the d.a.'s office is going to charge former president trump with anything. the office can't and does not tolerate intimidation. this all feels intimidating.

. the leader of a political party starts explicitly endoring violence. this weekend, the same former president held a wally in waco, texas, on the 30-year anniversary of a federal siege by the white power movement as a justification for citizens using violence against the u.s. government. when he combined that staging with an extended homage at that rally to people who have committed violence against the government when he praised people at that rally who are in prison because of their alleged participation on the capitol on january 6th. praising people for their violence against the government. saying that the government is a degenerate psychopath and that will result in death and

destruction. putting those two things together that's the sort of thing makes you want to call in the experts, experts in where it leads. joining us now is new york university history professor, the author of the book "strong men" she also writes a substack newsletter about threats to democracy. thank you so much for being with us. juxtaposing these items concerning things of a pattern off to you or if appropriate. >> it's out of the authoritarian playbook. the people who authoritarians go after are prosecutors, judges, the modern playbook. you link them to george soros.

and they also want to poison in the public's mind journalists. basically anyone who can prosecutor or harm or expose the corruption and crimes of these individuals, trump being one of them, becomes a target. and at the same time, you need to kind of prep the public to be ready to defend you. it's very interesting to me that trump started talking about this possible indictment and made a spectacle out of it. because it feeds his victimhood complex. it's very important that he can be a victim of the deep state and the roster of enemies has to keep expanding, right, at cpac and then at waco, the enemies list keeps getting longer and longer. at the rally waco he had pla cards so they would get on tv,

it's very important for his bonding with the public to be the victim and the victim of the deep state. it's also lucrative since this idea of his possible indictment came out he raised over $1.5 million. >> in terms of the importance of him defining himself as a victim, he's effectively making a case to his supporters that extreme action is justified to rescue him to stand up for him. how does violence fit into that? obviously, the january 6th example the people who have been prosecuted for their role for being violence to bear that day are having to contend with consequences in the criminal justice system. he's talking about them having been unfairly prosecuted. how is that evolving now as he

faces potential indictment? >> i've been tracking this for years and i wrote a report for the january 6th committee how trump since 2015 he used his rallies as radicalization sites and he did what all authoritarians have done since hitler, he wanted to change the public perception of violence, because in order to have an extremist movement and a private army which is basically what he and bolsonaro, you have a civilian army of thugs, of extremists, so to have people see violence as not repugnant you have to change its perception, the idea that perhaps violence can be morally justified, necessary and even patriotic. and so trump was already doing this and now there's a huge push with the help of fox and the gop

to -- because they're all involved in this criminal cover-up of the january 6th violence, so now at waco, the people who are sitting in jail for january 6th now there's the january 6th choir and the patriots and marjorie taylor greene is there calling them patriots. >> they did nothing wrong and also they're violent to the extent they committed violence was justified. >> on the one hand the strong men give license to be violent. he tells people that it's justified and he'll reward violence. on the other hand, violence has to be sanitized. it has to be made platable to the broader public. they're walking the line of inciting violence and also having to whitewash it and

massage it and that's what trump's doing now many authoritarians have done. >> professor, good to have you here. >> thank you. we'll be right back. stay with us. t have to be scary. (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good!

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