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church school, it is time for us to move beyond thoughts and prayers. remind our lawmakers of the words of the british statesman edmund burke. all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. lord, deliver our senators from the paralysis of analysis that waits for the miraculous. use them. to battle the demonic forces that seek to engulf us. we pray in your powerful name.
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amen. >> a prayer from the senate chaplain on behalf of a grieving nation. on that very solemn note, i wish you all a very good and safe night from washington, d.c. and from all of our colleagues across the network of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. i'll see you tomorrow. thank you for joining us this hour and for alex tonight, the national metropolitan police department release body camera footage that left three children, three adults in the shooter, themselves, dead in the melamine tree school in the nashville suburbs. there is a lot that is notable about the footage.
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first off, 14 minutes went by between when police were first alerted that a shooter had entered the building and when the police ultimately shot the shooter. pretty fast. we can see that for a good chunk of that time, the shooter who you see on the screen appears to be a unable to find someone to shoot. we can also see how quick and brave the response from both staff members and the first responders was. this woman was outside the school out in the open when the police arrived. not only was she putting herself in danger by not getting to a more secure location but listen to how she communicated to the police when they arrived. >> the kids are all locked down. we have two is that we don't know where they are. they are upstairs. >> hey. >> that woman quickly and concisely told the woman everything they needed to know. big trouble. two kids might still be in the hallways and people inside her
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telling her that the shooter is upstairs and second after that the shooter entered the building. >> let's go! i need three. let's go! metro police! >> the police cleared the room methodically and with breathtaking speed. it's clear that they have trained for this moment when they ultimately heard gunshots, they sprinted towards them. they neutralized the shooter. it's a testament to the teachers and a building for blocking down so effectively that it took so long for the shooter to find anyone to shoot.it's a testament to the first responders that they got to the scene and through the building that quickly given the fact that the shooter had two
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semi automatic weapons and a handgun. three guns. every second in a situation like this matters because these weapons can do an ungodly amount of destruction in no time at all. there is another piece of video that the nashville police released today that i think is worth using. it's particularly worth seeing in the contextñof how elected republican officials respond every time we as a country go three mass shooting like this. you might remember that last year after a shooter killed 19 students and two teachers at an elementary school in you all the, texas, republicans became obsessed with blaming gwen thank commodores. unlocked doors. doors that weren't, quote/unquote, hard enough. republicans made a huge huff about the situation was hard and, locked doors. >> we talked about what we need to do to harden schools, including not having unlocked backdoors. >> if the school were on lockdown, could the schools be
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lockdown? >> the school should be hunted to be lockable from the inside and close to insurers from the outside. >> put a pen and that for a second. take a look at this. this is how the shooter into the school yesterday. they use a semi automatic weapon to shoot their way through the doors. i have no clue if that door was locked or not, clearly it did not matter. i'm sure someone like ted cruz would argue that if only the doors had been bulletproof. if only we had band windows. minutes before the shooting yesterday come the shooter drove past the kids playing outside on the playground. will republicans start advocating for children playing outside as well? this is all nonsense and a distraction. there is always something other than guns to blame. >> they are fine and doing around the guns. try to get rid of the second amendment. yet, completely oblivious to what legalization of marijuana
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has done and is doing to entire generations of americans. with violent consequences. >> i'm not sure how we got onto marijuana but it's always something. it's never actually the guns. sometimes the distraction is something with a shred of birth do it, like how we in this country do not do enough to help people undergoing mental health crisis. today we learned that yesterday shooter was under a doctor's care for an emotional disorder except plenty of people in plenty of countries have mental health issues and we are the only country where shootings happen over and over again. do not get too distracted by the mental health issue or that violent video games are the cost. sometimes the republican bite is that i've been talking about guns when talking about my students, it is democrats that are politicizing the issue.
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>> i get angry when i see people try to politicize it for the personal agenda. on the other side, they just want to take guns away from law- abiding citizens before they know the facts. the first things they talk about is taking things away from law-abiding citizens and that is not the answer, by the way. >> that is also a distraction. everything is political. sometimes a republican distraction is so awful you actually do have to comment on it and unfortunately, that's the case today. >> all of the conversations on televisions has been talking about the guns that are used in there may be a reason for that. they don't want to talk about who did and why and law enforcement has confirmed that a shooter was a trans person. >> that was the very talk of tucker carlson's show last night. trying to make the issue not guns but the shooter's gender identity. congresswoman took it a step further this afternoon by trying to blame hormone therapy. we have no idea if the shooter was undergoing hormone therapy but's they said, everybody can stop blaming guns now. something conservatives don't
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see the third but when the shooter is a white man, which is often. trans people are already more likely to experience violence because they are trans people and the right focusing on that is uniquely dangerous and we have to respond to that but it is also a distraction because there are plenty of trans people in plenty of countries all over the world but, once again, america is the only nation where shootings like this happen over and over again, so maybe it's not mental health or video games or hormones. maybe it is the guns. today we learned that the shooter in nashville legally purchased seven weapons in the past few years, three of which were used in yesterday's attack. maybe that's where the folks should be. how easily it is in this country to illegally obtain weapons capable of horrific destruction. maybe that is where we have to focus and everything else is a distraction. joining us now is the tennessee state senator, heidi campbell. she met with the families of
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the students. thank you for making the time to be with us. can you tell us a little bit about what is going on in your community right now? you ended up going to the church where the kids were relocated so they could be reunited with their families. that is a horrible experience, even when you are actually going to collect your kids who haven't been shot. >> yeah. minutes went on like ours while these families waited to find out what the status was with her children. it was just horrific. i was so proud of my community and the way that they supported when another and the police did a beautiful job but no parent should ever have to go through a day like that and, you know, here we are in the aftermath of this and i can tell because i'm a senator in the state and i'm very familiar with how things work year that we are about to make this about the fact that
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the shooter was trans. >> it is unsurprising that that is what we are about to make it about it but it is putting aside the fact that it is discriminatory and we really don't need to be making life harder for trans people, it's also not the case or the issue at hand. we don't know enough about the shooter to know what marjorie taylor green is talking about with hormone therapy and all of these things. we do know there is a lot of guns and shootings in this country we also know that you ran against andy and 2022. this is a guy who said that a christmas card. nobody may know who he is but he saw this picture. this is his family christmas card. the guns thing where you are is big. you have a lot working through the legislature in tennessee that would loosen gun laws. >> yes, we have gun companies moving here because we are such
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a gun friendly state and i would argue we are probably the most gun friendly state in the country right now and we have bills moving to the legislator to make guns more acceptable even though we pass, what they call, constitutional carry. i call it permanently scary, but in any case, we are a state that is obsessed with the guns and the problem with that is that the polling shows up very clearly that most tennesseans want gun reform but we have legislators who do not honor their constituents views on that. >> most american what common sense gun reform but the line that we heard from steve and a lot of people is that when you talk about common sense gun reform, you are looking to take away guns from law-abiding people and in violation of the second amendment. that is not actually, typically what most people are trying to do. >> of course not. you know? we put all of these checks and
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balances in place for our kids when they write in an automobile and, good lord, we have spent the past two years banning books and we just band drag shows because we want to make it safer, supposedly and, you know, nine-year-old children get shot down and we don't seem to think that we need to do anything about guns. the common denominator in all of the situations is that there is somebody who has a gun. 367 shootings, school shootings, since columbine. since columbine and since we said never again and, you know, yet we won't do anything about it. it is just indefensible. >> and sandy hook we said never again and in parkland we said never again. look. there is some progress but there is a representative from
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your state who said something interesting that i think that we have to address on nights like this. let's listen to this and i want to get your comment on the other side. >> you want to legislate evil and it's not going to happen. we have evil in this country and everybody needs to tone down the writer a little bit because all it does is jam it up on both sides and then they point the finger and nothing happens because if you think washington is going to fix this problem, you are wrong. they are not going to fix this problem. they are the problem. >> there is a lot in there but i think that first point is what i want to ask you how you react to that. there are people who say that. you can't legislate evil. it's not guns, it's people who use guns. would you say in response to people who say you can't legislate evil? >> first of all, i don't know what he talks about when he talks but evil. there are so many different motives that people have for the shootings and some of them have been anti-somatic and some of them have been oriented but
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for him to, you know, try to tell us that you can't legislate evil when we know that these are issues that people are dealing with in every country on this planet and yet our country is the one, the only ones that has such terrific outcomes when it comes to gun violence. >> the correlation is the number of guns we have to the number of gun violence we have, not videogames, transgender people, evil, not marijuana or whatever anybody wants to say. our thoughts are with you and i'm sorry that we have to have this conversation. state senator heidi campbell from tennessee with us. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> i'm going to talk about men well all of her. he's a gun safety advocate and he's a cofounder of change the rest. another story of me you and you talking again after a school shooting.
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i was there at parkland. i was there at sandy hook and i always thought it was true that this was going to stop, that the country is inflamed about it and frankly after parkland in march for our lives, things really did change. they moved the needle. your son's death moved the needle but the needle hasn't moved far enough. >> absolutely. i agree 100% with all of the thoughts you just made and the needle has moved it very little. actually, i have the feeling that it went a little backwards over the past couple years. that means that we need to do more. we are frustrated and there's nothing else we can do. this is a reason to do more and different things. so i invite everyone to be truly offended this time.
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we chatted and we've had enough. we have to fix it. >> the young people in the parents and people like you, you manifested that energy neutral desire was energy new look for candidates that would run for office and do the right thing and you supported them many of them got elected for the first time, the movement was able to raise money and have influence. so we got something happening on the side of sensible gun reform. what is doing more mean right now? if our viewer is offended tonight, which is the right word. you should be offended. what does doing the right thing look like? >> doing the right thing is doing that everyday until it stops. doing the right thing is what we do. all of the groups that are fighting against gun violence,
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we do not wait for a shooting to tell you what we think and what we must do. no, this is a daily job. there was almost 1 million people on that march five years ago. where are they now? where are the celebrities today to prevent the shooting of tomorrow? >> it was five years this weekend, in fact. that's the amazing part about it. i have to ask you, how is this different for you? when you hear the news and i sit on my phone that there's been a school shooting, was different for you when you hear about these things? >> i know what the pain is. you are when of the lucky ones still. i know exactly what those parents are feeling today. i went through that that's why am so desperate to make you understand that we need to call for a national action here. i'm calling for an educational strike.
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we need the teachers to stand with us and save their places of work and their kids and their students. this is an urgent call what i'm doing now. not a regular interview so that you can know how i feel. you don't want to feel how i feel. >> no, i can imagine how that would feel. someone strikes that they feel that someone else and their industry is doing something and if they don't stand by them, the same thing could happen to us. clearly not enough americans think that. clearly we look at the school shootings that we think it is horrible we know our kids go through active shooter drills, but we somehow don't think it's going to be us. every time i go to a little town where there is a school shooting, it's another little town that didn't want to be famous for being shot up and having their school shot up in their names go down in history, like parkland and sandy hook and columbine. one after another after another but people don't think it is their problem yet.
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>> and i did mention that those kids were traumatized every single day. do you know what happened yesterday? they probably thought it was a drill. they probably thought they were training just in case something happened. it was the real deal. tomorrow there will be more drills. you will see some politician suggesting that the kids need to practice more how to survive this and they will almost limit on the kids because they die by not being trained well enough to survive the situation. shame on those policies. >> it's no kids stop to know how to save themselves from being shot. men well, you tweeted, not fighting back for the next victim of gun violence makes us part of the problem. it's an important point. maybe one day you and i will never have to talk again. meanwhile oliver, thank you for making time to talk with us tonight. >> thank you. have a great night. >> we have a lot more for you tonight. in nebraska, they gave republicans the right thing to
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vote down a bill banning transgender healthcare. what happens when republicans did the wrong thing? i will tell you about on the other side. massive protests appear to press pause on a major power grab, but what happens now. a former prime minister joins us next. and where they came from. ohhh...cool. this whole journey has been such a huge gift for our family.
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i'm very concerned and i'm concerned they get this straight. we cannot continue on this road and i made that clear. >> president biden weighing in on existential changes to his democracy. before we dive into that, let's go back a few years to november 2019 when israel's long disturbing prime minister was indicted by israel's attorney general on charges of fraud,
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bribery, and breach of trust. a years long investigation resulted in the country's first persecution of a sitting prime minister and engaging with a print pro quote with the media outlet. they should the nation that no one is above the law and the prime minister insisted that the case against him was nothing more than political animus, lies an attempted coup and that his supporters should investigate the investigators. as the cased against him advance, he remained in office until the summer of 2021 when a shaky coalition of rivals who have virtually nothing in common, except for their disdain from the government unseated him. if anything about that story seems like it rhymes with american politics, you are not alone and what happens next might be a particular interest to you. late last year, he made a wide political comeback taking back the reins as prime minister, even as his corruption trial continues to drag on to this
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day. when of his first orders of business was to, quote/unquote, reform the judiciary. it would allow israel's parliament to abrade the supreme court's decisions and would give lawmakers more control over appointments to the high court. now many see his plans for the judiciary's as meaning of consolidating power and wiggling out of his own legal problems. this week, one of his defense attorneys threatened to step down from the job to stop represented the countries later on corruption charges if the prime minister follow through on his plans to overhaul israel's judicial system. that was one and a series of protests that escalated across the country's. look at the images of the people across the street. hundreds of lawyers demonstrated in front of tel aviv courts on sunday joining the bar association's protest of the reforms. on thursday, he double down on his plans in a fiery address that was given hours after a government passed a law making it more difficult to declare a prime minister unfit for office.
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he promised it to find a solution but even after that, some protesters continue their demonstrations. some said they do not believe him. they see this poses a temporary solution to a bigger democratic problem. >> i don't trust him. he has lied it so many times. he has no credit whatsoever. >> nothing to say. it still ongoing. it still to the fact that we were able to do something with these protests and strikes and it's going to make a difference if we can keep going and keep up the pressure. the only thing we can do. >> joining us is the former israeli general. he was the former prime minister.
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thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> i've spoken to a number of the israelis in a number of american, avid supporters of israel over the last few days and i have never heard them as worried about the future of israel. where are you right now, in terms of the democratic health of your country have pulled back from the break? >> there was a major victory for the government. basically, it is stopping in the last moment and it was defined by our chief justice. it is not a judicial reform but a explicit effort or attempt to crash the judicial system and the defenses of the supreme court and push israel outside the family of democratic
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nations. they stood up and said, you will be starting very well but the overall battle is not over. it is a one-time major victory and now some of the protesters in my went to give him the post and some negotiation opened between different sections. the coalition will be tomorrow and i'm confident we will win. they won't be able to push israel into a status. we are too strong and too day
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>> i mean, it's interesting that you say that, prime minister because that is what everyone thinks. america also thinks we are too strong to be push into this kind of nonsense and underlying what he's doing. this is a guy you know. you've ran against him. you've won against him. this is not the only problem. the judicial reform is not the only problem. he is a prime minister again because he has formed a coalition every time he gets elected it's the most right- wing coalition in history. this is not where it begins or ends. >> and no, but it will and i believe that we have physical evidence that whenever a major force, determinedly, they are
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protecting and the government won't be able to continue this way there is an ability among the people and a majority of his own voters and the judgment and the attitude to the problem that the prime minister needs. >> there is another issue going on and and increased tensions with the palestinians. there are provocations on both sides of this issue but the government has not helped at the situation in the way that
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it has been reactive and there are a lot of palestinians because we talked a lot on this network who say that it's fantastic that all of these israelis came out and protested against judicial reforms and you don't see 5000 israelis taken to the streets to say, let's solve that problem. you tried. you tried when you are prime minister. this prime minister is not trying. >> i think we have to put it on the shelf for the time being. there is another one about the relationship between the religion and the state. there are gaps. there are many main issues, but they have all been put on of all, that israel will remain a democracy. you mentioned earlier, the firing. the minister of defense, which is
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responsible for the immediate problems to the security of the nation and that is something they did not respond on the spot and the reason was, the a vote where they push israel out of the family and it has to be decided, so basically the ministers will hear what the commander of the unforced, the leaders
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and voting, and when the ministers demanded and went out and told the family the truth, it was unheard of and that many people to put a question mark about the judgment. we don't have the 25th amendment, but the half 1 million people in more than 10% will be 170 million. when this half-million is in the streets, you will see the picture. we will win. >> all right. >> we have ups and downs day >> we will continue this conversation because we kept the matter of the palestinians on the shelf for ever.
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>> not forever, but for the time being. >> there is a lot of palestinians who say it's time to talk about it. i know you are up in the middle the night and i present your time. we will take a quick break. another major loss the team trump as mike pence testifies the grand jury investigating january 6. nebraska democrats take the gloves off. that's next. plaque bacteria, one of the main causes of bleeding gums. parodontax. the gum experts.
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no one in the world holds a grudge like me and no one in the world cares less about being petty than me. i don't care. >> fighting words from nebraska state senator before a vote on a bill last week that would ban medical care for trans kids. kids like senator hunt's own son. democrats in nebraska in the legislature are awaiting a remarkable fight against this bill and it started with michaela cavanaugh bowing to bring nebraska's legislative session to a standstill. she and democratic allies are filibustering every single bill the session unless the republican-led body decides to drop this anti-trans bill. last week the democrats agreed
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to one single vote, to give republicans a chance to take a stand during the anti-trans bill, but they voted to advance it instead. they vowed to take up the filibuster again today and republicans tried to get around them by changing the rules to make it harder to filibuster but the democrats were undeterred. >> we are blowing up this session. this session is over. this session is over and it's on your terms because the terms were made clear to you for the last 4 to 6 weeks and you ignored that. you didn't care. hating trans kids and nebraska's more important to you than the rest of this entire session of that message is received loud and clear. >> this anti-trans bill would have to pass two more times before it could do move to the desk of nebraska's governor but with only two days left in the session, the speaker has
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conceded that time is running out for bills that don't involve taxes, education funding, or the state budget and democrats are saying that no votes on anything, so that anti-trans bill is likely out of place for now. when we come back, former vice president mike pence has a lot to say about the pressure. now is going to have to tell what he knows to a grand jury. stay with us. is so much bigger than that, with trelegy. because one dose a day helps keep my asthma symptoms under control. and with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy helps improve lung function so i can breathe easier for a full 24 hours. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. trelegy contains a medicine that increases risk
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special counsel jack smith
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has been scoring win after win in his brawling january 6th criminal investigation. donald trump suffered a major loss today. in a sealed rolling, the new dc chief judge overseeing to the january 6th grand jury ordered pants to testify as part of the criminal probe and to comply with jackson subpoena. the judge totally rejected the ex-president's executive privilege claims and his attempt to stop pants but trump wasn't alone in fighting the subpoena and it's notable that pentz decided to fight the subpoena in the first place. he has called the special counsel's laspina unprecedented and unconstitutional but when it came to promoting his book last fall, the former vice president had no problem spilling the details of private conversations with trump. fighting the subpoena, pentz made a different argument. he has relied on the
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constitution's speech and debate clause to assert that he does not have to testify about anything related to his official duties counting the votes on january 6th. the dc federal judge agreed, in part, with that assertion but rolled at that pentz must testify to any conversations that may relate to potential illegality on trump's part. here is what pentz had to say tonight in response to the judge's ruling. >> i'm pleased that the court accepted our argument and recognized that the constitution provision about speech and debate does apply to the vice president but the way that they sorted that out and the requirements of my testimony going forward are subject of our review. >> penn said that he would make a decision in the coming days, but this comes after a string of wins for the special counsel
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on the january 6 probe. lastly, some of the ex- president center circle were ordered to testify, including his former chief of staff, mark meadows to testify. it is a pivotal turning point in the special counsel's investigation. joining us now is laura jarrett, senior legal correspondent. laura, good to see. great being with you. >> of course. >> he's an interesting character and he talked about how he makes speeches and i feel like the guy wants to say something but he's a guy who is been fighting the subpoena. >> obviously politically is tricky for him to be seen supplying the subpoena but in all accounts, he believes that he has a constitutional right to some immunity as it relates to his role on january 6 and a novel legal claim in an untested one. there was a lot of debate among lawyers about whether or not it will work. the judge seems to agree with that in principle but the victory for him is the real heart of what the special
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counsel once and all of his efforts to try and obstruct and overturn the 2020 election. their conversations. >> mike pence says, i'm not compelled to testify about things i was doing, but it doesn't seem that. mike pence writes about a talks about. in fact, i think we have it and maybe we don't and maybe i'm just reading about it but he talks but the fact that he had a tense conversation with donald trump on january 5th and he said that he does not believe it's within his power to do what trump wanted him to do. >> specifically, the meeting that happened on january 4th in the oval office with trump and john eastman, this lawyer who cooks up the blue plant, if you will, about how to overturn the election and overturn the people's will and hence his
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role and that is critical because they are trying to convince pentz, you have the power to actually not certified the votes. pentz is saying, i don't have that power. everybody has looked into it and i don't have that another special counsel gets to ask on the stand and prosecutors do. what did the former presents a response and all of the imaginations behind that now gets to come out. again, critical to the key own curries of what were trump's intentions? >> again, there is a lot of public evidence about this. the judge has been very frank about how opens his lawyer called him several times is that he
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>> what do you think is happening? we know david, the guy in charge of the national enquirer, we know what he said about this in the past. he testified again. any idea what is going on? >> curious as to why he would be called back so late in the game. he was a rebuttal witness against trump's defense witness, they had a number of important conversations specifically
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about the hush money scheme. i am unclear on what he said, but the timing is interesting. it is unclear if this is actually a delay or maybe this was always part of the process. really it was the fact that his lawyers were offered the opportunity to come in and have your client testify, that is not something you see until the very end.
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two months ago, officials
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in florida announced the bluest eye, a novel by toni morrison had been removed from classrooms after a single parent complained about a sexual assault scene included in the book. last week a principal in tallahassee was forced to resign after a single parent complained that students were exposed to pornography because they were shown a photo of the statue of david. a school in florida is boring students from watching a film about a six-year-old black girl that integrated schools in the 60s, that was after a single parent filed a complaint, they said it might teach students that white people hate black people.
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a petition was created so that students could watch the film, 60 kids watched the film, one of the parents filed a formal complaint and the school said they are banning the movie until further notice due to one single complaint. the common thread is in florida it takes a single parent to complain for schools to ban books and other teaching materials, so far it is happening in a informal way but two weeks ago a panel approved a bill that could prompt a statewide removal of books and other materials if just one parent objects. if this sounds outlandish, if you think there is no way something that extreme can pass, i have three

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