weapons can do an ungodly amount of video in no time at all there's one other piece of video, it's important in how elected officials respond every time we go through a mass shooter. last year after a shooter killed 19 students and 2 teachers in uvalde, texas.

republicans were blaming one thing, doors. unlocked doors. republicans made a huff about how the policy solution after uvalde was hardened locked doors. >> we talked about what we need to dobo to harden schools, including not having unlocked back doors. >> if the school was on lockdown, could the doors have been locked? >>ve classroom doors should be hardened tooo make them lockabl from the inside and closed to intruders from the outside. >> put a pin in that for a second. take a look at this. this is how the shooter entered the school yesterday. they used a semiautomatic weapon to shoot their way through the doors. i have no idearo if the door wa lockedth or not, clearly it didt matter. i'm sure republican senators would argue if only the door had been bullety proof, if only we banned windows. minutes before, the shooter

drove past the kids playing on the playgrounds. will the republicans start advocating for kids not playing outside asno well? this is all distraction. >> they're fine with do a run on the gun, you can argue that if you want to a get rid of the second amendment. but completely oblivious to what legalization of marijuana has doneti and is doing to an entir generation of americans with violent consequences. >> not sure how we got to marijuana in thisw discussion. butan it's always something, ner the guns. sometimes the distraction is something with a shred of truth to it like how we in this country do not do enough to heln those undergoing a mental health crisis. except plenty of people in plenty of countries have mental healthco issues.th

except we are the only country with shootings like this over and overho again. sod do not get distracted by t mental health issuest or the violent video game is the cause. sometimes republicans when discussing mass shootings it's democrats politicizing the issue. >> i getng angry when i see peoe trying to politicize it for their own agenda. itt seems the other side they want to takehe guns from law abiding citizens. that's not the answer, by the way. >> that is also a distraction. everything is political.po sometimes the republican distraction is so awfule you he to comment on it. o and unfortunately that's the caseun today. >> all the conversation on television has been about the guns used, and there may be a reason for tthat, they don't wt to talk about who did it and why. law enforcement confirmed this shooter wasis the transperson.

>> that was the top of tucker carlson's show last night. nots trying to make it about t guns butke the shooter's gend identity. marjorie taylor greene trying to blame it on hormone therapy, which we don't know if the shooter was undergoing. transpeople are likely to experience t violence simply because they are transpeople. so the right focussing on that is uniquely dangerous. so we have to respond to that because it is a distraction. because there are plenty of transpeople in plenty of countries all over the world. buthe once again, america is th only nation where shootings like this happen over and over again, so maybe it's not mental health or video games or hormones. maybe it's the guns. today we learned that the

shooter in nashville legally purchased seven weapons in the past three years. maybe that should be the focus, how easy it is to obtain incredibly powerful weapons capable of destruction. maybe that's where we have to focus. joining us is heidi campbell, she met with the families of the school. senator campbell thank you for beingbe with us. you ended up going to the church where the kids who were not shor were relocated so they could be reunited with their families. that's a horrible experience evenfa when you are going to collect your kids who haven't been shot. >> it was the worst waiting room i have ever been in. minutes went on like hours while these families waited to find out what the status was with their children. it was just

horrific. i was so proud of my community and the way they supported one another. thene police did a beautiful jo but b no parent should ever hav to go through a day like that. here we are in the aftermath of this, i can just tell because i'm a senator in the state and i'm very familiar with how things work here, we're about to make this about the fact that the shooter was trans. >> it's unsurprising that's what we're about tori make it about. but it's -- putting aside the factpu that it's discriminatory and wet don't need to be makin life harder for transpeople, it's also not the case. it's not the issue at hand. we don't know enough about the shooter to know what marjorie taylor greene isoo talking abou with hormone therapy and all these things. we know there are a lot of guns anda shootings in this country. we also know that you ran against randy ogles for a house

seat in 2022, this is a guy who senty out a christmas card, th guns thing is big.ng you have a law working through the legislature in tennessee that would loosen laws. >> we have gun companies moving here because we are such a gun friendly state. i would argue we're the most gun-friendly state in the country right now. we have bills moving through the legislature to make guns more accessible to pass constitutional carry, permitless carry. but we are a state obsessed with guns. the pollinges shows us clearly that most residents want common sense gun reform but we have

legislaorse that don't honor that. >> the line we hear when you talk about common sense gun reform you'relk looking to take guns from law abiding people. that's not what most people who want gun w reform to do. >> of course not. we put all these checks and balances in place for our kids when theyr ride in automobiles. good lord we spent the past two years banning books and we just banned drag shows because we want tog make kids safer supposedly.s and yet 9-year-old children get shot down and we don't think we need to do anything about guns. the common denominator in all these d situations is there is somebodyns who had a gun. 367 shootings -- school shootings since columbine. since columbine since we said

never again there have been 367 shootings. and yet we won't do anything about it it's indefensible. >> and after sandy hook we said never again and parkland never again. let's listen toer this, and i wt to getth your comment on the otr side. >> you want to legislate evil, it's not going to happen. we have evil in this country. and everybody needs to tone down the rhetoric a little bit that just gins it up on both sides and they point the finger and nothing happens. thein if you think washington i going to fix this problem, you're wrong,s they're not goi to fix this problem they are the problem. >> there's a lot in there but the first point, how do you react toow that? there are people who say that, you can't legislate evil, this

is bad people that use guns. what do you say in response to people who say you can't legislate evil? >> first of all i don't know what he talks about when he talks about evil. there are so many different motives that people have for these shootings. some have been anti-semitic, some have been nazi oriented, but for him to try to tell us you can't legislate evil when we know these are issues that peoplehe are dealing with in evy country onit the planet, and ye our country is the one that -- the only one that has such horrific t outcomes when it com to gun violence. >> the correlation is the numbee of guns we have in this country to the amount of gun violence wv have. not video games, not transgender people, not evil, not marijuana, whatever anybody wants to say. senator our thoughts are with you. sorryh we have to have this conversation. state senator heidi campbell of

tennessee. thank you for being with us. i want to turn to manuel oliver his son was killed at parkland in florida. another story of you and me talking again after a school shooting. i was there at parkland, at sandy d,hook. i thought this was true, we are going to stop. the country is inflamed about it. after ouparkland and march for r lives, things did change.ng they moved the needle. your son's death moved the needle but the needle hasn't moved farhe enough. >> absolutely. i agree 100% with the introduction you just 0%made. and the needle has moved very little. actually, i have the feeling that it went a little backwards during the last month or probably couple of s years. so that means we need to do

more. i don't want to say in the interview that i'm going to quit what we do or -- we're just frustrated and there's nothing elsend we can do. this is a reason to do more and different things. so i invite everyone. we have had enough. you heard it from our politicians. washington is notm going to fi it, so who is going to fix it? we have to fix it. >> what does that look like to you? after parkland, the young people, the survivors of that and theiror parents, people lik you, you manifested that energy andes showed there was the ener and looked for candidates who would run for office and do the right thing and you supported them and many got elected and it looked like the sensible gun movement was going to raise money and have influence that only the gun industry has had until now.

so we have something on the side of sensible gun reform. if our viewer is offended tonight, what does doing the right thinges look like? >> doing the right thing is that every day until it stops. doing the right thing is what we do. all the groups fighting against gun violence we don't wait for a shooting to tellol you what we think and y must do, we should n assault weapons, no, this is a daily job. there are almost a million people on that march five years ago. where are they now? where are the celebrities today to prevent the shooting tomorrow. >> it was five years ago this weekend, in fact. that's the amazing part about it. you and i have talked a lot, but how is this differentve for you? when you hear the news, when i see it on my phone there's been a schoolho shooting, what's difference for you when you heaw about these things? >> i know -- i know what the

pain is. you're onein of the lucky ones still, still.ti i know exactly what those parents are feeling today. i went through that and that's why so desperate to let you understand that we need to call for ad national action here. i'm calling for an educational strike. we need the teachers to stand with usan and save their placesf work and their kids and their students. this isd an urgent call what i doing now.in not a regular interview so you can knowrv how i feel. you don't want to feel how i feel. >> no. no, i can't imagine what that feels like. but when someonefe strikes it's because something has happened in their industry and we think it can't happen to us. but we know our kids go through

active shooter drills. every time i go to a little town for a school shooting it's another little town that didn't want to beow famous for having their schools shot up and then their names go into history like parkland, like columbine, like sandy hook,ol one after another and people don't think it's their problem yet. >> not to mention those kids wereio traumatized every day. you know what happened yesterday? they probably thought it was a drill, probably thought they weredr training in case somethi happened. andas it's the real deal. you will see more politicians suggesting that the kids need to practice more how to survive this and they will almost blame it on the kids because they die by not being trained well enough to survive the situation. shame on those politicians. >> it's no kids' job to know how

to save themselves. you tweeted back not being part of the solutionei makes us the problem. sorry to have these conversations, manuel. maybe oneav day we'll not have talkha again. >> thank you. have a great night. in nebraska democrats gave republicans a chance to do the vote down a bill banning transgender health care so what happens whentr republics predictively did the wrong thing? i'll tell you on the other side. and iter appears protests caused the israeli prime minister to back down, but what happens now? a former israeli prime minister joins us next. sraeli prime mini joins us next.

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i'm very concerned. and i'm concerned that they get this straight. they cannot continue down this road. and i've made that clear. >> president biden today weighing in on pending changes to israel's democracy. before we dive into that go back to november 2019, when israel's longest serving prime minister benjamin netanyahu was indicted by the attorney general on charges of fraud, bribery and breech of trust. involving a quid pro quo. no one is above the law, the prime minister insisted that the case against him was nothing

more than political animus, lies, and attempted coup, and that his supporters should, quote, investigate the investigators. as the case against netanyahu advanced, he remained in office until the summer of 2021 when a shaky coalition of rivals who had virtually nothing in common except for their disdain for netanyahu's government unseated him. if anything about that story seems like it kind of rhymes with american politics, you're not alone. what happened next in israel might be of particular interest to you. netanyahu made a wild political comeback, taking back the reigns as prime minister. one of his first orders of business was to, quote, unquote, reform the judiciary. his proposed changes would allow israel's parliament to override the supreme court's decision and would give lawmakers more control over appointments to the high court. now, many see netanyahu's plans for the judiciary as a means of consolidating power and

potentially wiggling out of his own legal problems. this week one of netanyahu's defense attorneys threatened to stop representing the country's leader on corruption charges if the prime minister followed through on his plans to overhaul israel's judicial system. that threat was one in a series of protests that escalated across the country. look at these images of the people on the streets. hundreds of lawyers demonstrated in front of tel aviv courts on sunday. joining the bar association's protest of netanyahu's planned reforms. on thursday netanyahu doubled down on his plans in a fiery address that was given hours after his government passed a law making it more difficult to declare a prime minister unfit for office. opposition leaders described it as a way to protect illegally embattled netanyahu. but sunday was the real spark that caused the months long protest over judiciary changes to boil over. when netanyahu abruptly fired his defense minister who had just called for a pause to this

judicial overhaul. so for that reason, tens of thousands of people poured into the streets in major cities across the country to tell their leader, no, you cannot corrupt the courts for your advantage, no, you cannot fire official who's speak against your plan, no. protesters in tel aviv chanted, the country is on fire, as they lit bonfires on the main highway. police opened water cannons on protesters to clear them out. they demonstrated in front of netanyahu's house. yesterday workers in so many industries went on strike that the country was essentially paralyzed. departing flights from bengurion airport were closed. preschools and universities were shuttered. health, transit, banking workers went on strike in solidarity with the country's largest trade union. finally, netanyahu agreed to pause his judicial overhaul for at least a few weeks until the next parliamentary session begins. he acknowledged that the country

was at a breaking point and he promised to, quote, find a solution. but even after that some protesters continued their demonstrations in much smaller numbers. some said they do not believe netanyahu. they see this pause as a temporary solution to a bigger democratic problem. >> i don't trust netanyahu. he's lied so many times. >> nothing's really changed. it's still ongoing. it's the only thing that we can do. >> joining us now is the former israeli general. he was the prime minister of israel from 1999 to 2001. thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> i have spoken to a number of israelis and a number of american supporters of israel over the last few days. and i have never heard them as worried about the future of israel.

where are you right now in terms of the democratic health of your country, and have you pulled back from the brink? >> i think that there was a major victory for the movement against netanyahu. basically, stopping what was defined by our chief justice is not judicial reform but an explicit effort or attempt to crush the judicial system and the supreme court and push israel outside of the family of democratic nations. the overall battle is not over.

it's one-time major victory. now some of the protesters might give -- others have described. and some negotiation opened. between different sections. the coalition will meet tomorrow. netanyahu won't be able to push his way into a kind of status like hungary with orban. >> it's interesting you say that, prime minister. because that's what everybody thinks. america also thinks we're too strong to be pushed into this kind of nonsense. this is a guy you know, you've

run against him, you won against him. this is not the only problem. the judicial reform is not the only problem. he is the prime minister again because he has formed a coalition that is -- and every time he gets elected, it's the most right-wing coalition in israel's history. this is not where it begins or ends. >> no. it didn't end yet. but it will end, i believe. we have evidence that whenever a major protest -- about 7 or 8% of the adult population on the kind of protecting. at the end of it, the government either capitulates. and that's what will happen. the government won't be able to continue, and netanyahu lost a

lot of prestige. and the majority of voters are against what he's doing. >> there's another issue going on, there's increased tensions with the palestinians. there are provocations on both sides of this issue. but this netanyahu government has not helped the situation. and there are a lot of palestinians who say it's fantastic that all these israelis came out and protested against judicial reforms, but there's the still the problem of the palestinians and you don't see 500,000 israelis taking to the streets to say let's solve that problem. you tried when you were prime minister. this prime minister is not

trying. >> i think we have to put on the shelf the big elephant in the room for the time being. there is another one about the relationship between the religion and the states. there are gaps in the society. there are many main issues. in order to make sure, first of all, that israel will remain a democracy. so we join hands in all parts of the situation. mentioned earlier the firing of the defense minister. the minister of defense, he's demanded the covenant in order to present what he sees as an immediate risk to the security of the nation. and that's something unheard of. and netanyahu didn't let him to

govern the cabinet, the prime minister's cabinet. and the reason was that there should be some vote in the knesset. so basically netanyahu that if the ministers will hear, we hear what the commander, the leaders should think about it that they might not join him in voting. so he close it. and when the ministers demanded and told the public the truth, he fired him. and led many supporters to

question his judgment. there was a half a million people in the street. the protests will ultimately win. >> well, we'll continue this conversation because we can't put the matter of the palestinians on the shelf forever. so, i'll invite you back. >> not forever but for the time being. >> we'll discuss that because a whole lot of palestinians will say this is the moment to talk about this. we're going to take a quick

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filibuster, but the democrats were undeterred. >> we are blowing up this session. the session's over. the session's over and it's on your terms because the terms were made clear to you for the last four to six weeks. and you ignored that, you didn't care, hating trans kids in nebraska is more important to you than the rest of this entire session. that message is received loud and clear. >> now, this antitrans bill will have to pass two more times before it could move to the desk of nebraska's republican governor. with only 39 days left in the session, the speaker of the nebraska legislature has conceded that time is running out for bills that don't involve taxes, education funding, or the state budget. and democrats are saying no votes on anything. so that antitrans bill is likely out of play for now. when we come back, former vice president mike pence has a lot to say about the pressure that he was under on january 6th

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special counsel jack smith has been scoring win after win in his sprawling january 6th criminal investigation. donald trump suffered a major loss today in his fight to stop the vice president -- his former vice president from testifying into the special counsel's probe in. a sealed ruling, the new d.c.

chief judge overseeing the january 6th grand jury ordered pence to testify as part of a criminal probe and to comply with jack smith's subpoena. the judge totally rejected the ex-president's executive privilege claims in his attempt to stop pence. but trump wasn't alone in fighting the subpoena, and it's notable that pence decided to fight the subpoena in the first place. he's called the special counsel's subpoena unprecedented and unconstitutional. but when it came to promoting his book last fall, the former vice president had no problem spilling the details of private conversations with trump. in fighting the subpoena, pence made a different argument than trump. he's relied on the constitution's speech and debate clause to assert that as president of the senate, he does not have to testify about anything related to his official duties counting the votes on january 6th. now, the d.c. federal judge agreed in part with that accession, but ruled that pence must testify to any

conversations that may relate to potential illegality on trump's part. here's what pence had to say tonight in response to the judge's ruling. >> i'm pleased that the court accepted our argument and recognized that the constitution's provision about speech and debate does apply to the vice president. but the way they sorted that out and the requirements of my testimony going forward as subject of our review right now. >> now, pressed about whether he planned to appeal this ruling, pence said he would make a decision in the coming days. this comes after a string of wins for the special counsel in the january 6th probe. last week some of the ex-president's inner circle were ordered to testify, including his former chief of staff mark meadows. the rulings today ordered pence to testify and wholly rejecting trump's attempts to stop it, well, feels like a pivotal point in the special counsel's investigation. joining us now is senior legal

correspondent for nbc news. what do you make of this? mike pence did talk about in his book he does make speeches about how history's going to judge donald trump. he's a guy who wants to say something. yet he's a guy who fought the subpoena. >> by all accounts, he believes if he has a constitutional right to some immunity as it relates to his role on january 6th, that has been sort of a novel legal claim, an untested one. there was a lot of debate among lawyers about whether or not it would work. the judge seems to agree with in principle that the victory is, because the real heart of what the special counsel wants is proving trump's intent and all of his efforts to try to obstruct and overturn the 2020 election. so to the extent that he can now probe their conversation leading up to january 6th. >> mike pence said i'm not compelled to testify. but it doesn't seem like that's

what jack smith wants. mike pence writes about and talks about. in fact, i think we've got it. >> maybe i was just reading about it. >> but he talks about the fact that he had a tense conversation with donald trump on january 5th and he said he does not believe it's within his power to do what trump wanted him to do. >> and specifically the meeting that happened on january 4th in the oval office, cooking up the blueprint about how to actually overturn the election and overturn the people's will. pence's role in that is critical because they're trying to convince pence, you have the power to actually not certify the votes. pence is saying, i don't have that power. now the special counsel gets to ask on the stand, or prosecutors do, exactly what did the former president say in response. and all the machinations behind that now gets to come out. again, critical sort of to the

key inquiry of what were trump's intentions. >> and, again, there's a lot of public evidence about this. the judge has been frank about the fact that pence's lawyer called him several times and said he needs cover, he doesn't want to do this, he doesn't believe he can do it but he needs an authority like you to go out there and say this is not right. and michael put out some tweets, and history was made on that. so, i wonder, is this just because jack smith has to get things on the record under oath? because jack smith and everybody else kind of knows what mike pence was thinking about what donald trump wanted. >> pence has offered a fair amount in terms of his reflections. but he hasn't offered as much about what did trump say in response, and sort of what did -- what were the points of pressure other than just your own reflection. >> let's talk about the new york

grand jury. we do not believe that they are going to vote or at least we don't know. but, as it stands. >> we don't believe they're meeting tomorrow, which is interesting. >> so what do you think's happening? we know that david pecker who was the guy in charge of "the national enquirer," we know what he said about this in the past. he was called back. he testified again. any idea what's going on here? >> i'm curious why he would be called back so late in the game. i think some have speculated about he served as a rebuttal witness to robert costello who was put forth as trump's essentially in his shoes as a defense witness trying to discredit michael cohen's credibility. cohen and pecker have a number of important conversations specifically about this hush money scheme and all the payments. unclear what pecker said. we don't have that reporting. but the timing is interesting. and it's unclear whether this is actually a delay we're seeing or maybe this was always part of the process. the only reason we thought that

this was sort of the -- not just that, but really it was the fact that his lawyers were offered the opportunity to come in, have your client testify. that's not something you see until the very end. so that was really the tell. the post was him putting his own spin on the timetable. but that was never sort of a realistic thing. >> but we could be on the time line -- >> exactly. we just don't yet know about what's going on in that jury room. room. we're going to right back. actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works.

two months ago, school district officials in pinellas county, florida, announced that the bluest eye, a novel by tony mauritsen had been removed from classrooms and libraries after a single parent complained about a rape scene included in the book. last week a principal in

tallahassee, florida, was forced to resign after a single parent claimed that students had been exposed to pornography because they were shown a picture of michaelangelo's statue of david. today we are learning that an elementary school in st. petersburg, florida, is barring students from watching a film about civil rights icon ruby bridges, a 6-year-old black girl who integrated new orleans schools in the 1960s. that, too, is after a single parent filed a complaint saying that the movie isn't appropriate for second-graders because it might teach them that, quote, white people hate black people, end quote. the school had sent parents a permission slip asking whether their children could watch the movie, which is a disney movie, by the way. about 60 kids watched the film. the two families would not give their children parent to watch. her claim was enough for the school to say they're banning the movie until further notice

while they review the complaint. one single parent who admitted she only watched the first 50 minutes of the film. the common thread in all of these stories is that in governor ron desantis' florida, it just takes one parent to complain. statewide removal of books or other instruction materials if just one parent objects to them. one. if this sounds outlandish, if you think that there's no way something that extreme could actually pass, i've got three words for you. welcome to florida. that extrem pass, i have three words for you. welcome to florida. that does it for us tonight. way too early with jonathan lemire is up next. we owe these families more than our