your brother has landed in the dark lands. they're under bowser's control. [ screaming ] hang on, luigi. [ ominous music playing ] [ screaming ] yes! fire! [ chuckling ] good morning, 11:00 a.m. eastern. i'm jose diaz-balart. 48 hours later, still no clear motive in a deadly school shooting in nashville. what we are learning about what happened before the shooting and the victims. outrage is building after at least 38 migrants die in a fire at a detention center in mexico. men left to die in locked cells as the flames broke out.

we're live with and we're following breaking news this morning. that could have a major impact on the nation's opioid epidemic. the life-saving treatment the fda is approving for over the counter use. new details in one of the investigations surrounding donald trump. what mike pence is saying after a judge orders him to testify before a grand jury. and we are live in ukraine where the head of the nuclear watchdog has crossed fierce battle lines in hopes of preventing a nuclear disaster. we begin this very busy hour with new details out of nashville where police are still searching for a motive in the devastating shooting at the covenant school that killed three adults and three children who were just 9 years old. police say the 28-year-old shooter was under a doctors care for undies closed emotional disorder. the shooter's family told

investigators the shooterer should not have owned any weapons. they thought their child had one firearm, but had sold it. the family told police they were unaware the shooter bought seven firearms legally in local gun stores in recent years. meanwhile, this morning, we are learning new details about the victims of the shooting. one loved singing and performing. her little sister at a vigil cried as she said i don't want to be an only child. her classmates was the only daughter of the pastor of the church. she was the youngest of five children. the family friends describes her as an unflappable spirit cynthia peek, substitute teacher, remembered as a devout christian. the school's head master was

described as a champion for all children who serve issed others with love and kindness. and mike hill was described as a sweet soul who was beloved by faculty and students alike. they had seven children and 14 grandchildren. joining us now with more is kathy park. she's live from nashville for us this morning. what's the latest on the investigation? >> reporter: good morning. it's another difficult day here in nashville as the investigation presses forward. authorities are combing through some of the evidence left behind by the suspect is, including a manifesto. there's still no motive a at this time, but the shooter did have ties to the school, went to the school many years ago. the police chief did say that the school was targeted, but when the suspect entered the building, it appears the suspect shot at random killing six

people, three children, three adults, and this tragedy has touched all corners of this community, including the governor of tennessee. last night, he released this video message saying that his wife actually knew was best friends with two of the victims. take a listen. >> cindy was supposed to come over to have dinner last night. after she filled in as a substitute teacher yesterday at covenant. cindy and maria were all teachers at the same school and family friends for decades. >> reporter: that's just one example of the grief, the heart ache that so many people in this community are feeling. i have been here for several days now. i have been planted in front of the covenant school at the entrance, and you can probably see behind me the growing

memorial. there are six crosses representing the six lives stolen. a lot of people shaken. emotions are raw. you're looking at images of the young kids being ushered out of the school building. monday after the attack, we're hearing harrowing stours of strangers. melissa joan heart has students who go to a nearby school and was going to a school conference where she realized what happened and saw these kids near the school and helped escort them to safety. so we are hearing really just heartbreaking stories of people having to jump into action to find safety for these kids. >> kathy park in nashville, thank you very much. joining us now with more on this is retired seattle police chief carmen best. she's msnbc's law enforcement

analyst. police revealed on monday that the entire response took 11 minutes. what's your assessment of how officers responded to this? >> jose, it's very opposite of what we saw in utah value day di. we saw officers immediately respond to the scene, setting up contact teams, entering the building. by the way, under a barrage of bullets coming out from the school. they went through and checked the school. when they heard whether shots were coming from, immediately went to that location and ultimately ended the threat. >> i was struck over and over again when i saw these police cam videos how different it was from the massacre in uvalde. it struck me that those officers responding in tennessee had pretty much the same weapons and

protection than the first officers who responded in uvalde had, and yet they didn't stop. they went right after their target. >> that is the training and has been for over two decades. since columbine, it's to immediately go in and immediately look for the threat. watching for traps and other things as you do it, but seconds matter for lives here. and that's always with a chain. uvalde was strange. i don't know why the officers didn't go in. i can assure you everyone who saw that reaffirmed within themselves, the police chief and officers, they were going to make sure they go in immediate ly. >> what lessons do you hope other police departments take away from the national response? >> i think most agencies already have a plan in place to make

sure that they can get into schools or theaters or malls or what have you when these mass shootings occur. they team up. they set up contact teams. i think it was great that the body camera was released right away relatively quickly so people can see what occurred. while tragic, you want to understand the squence of events. you want to have confidence that law enforcement is responding responsibly. >> so i'm just wondering what, if anything, could change or could help in something like this? talk to us about what a red flag law could have done or not done in this case to maybe prevent it. >> i'm from washington state where we have red flag laws. the point of those laws is to make sure a person who is experiencing some sort of trauma or mental crisis would remove handguns from the possession.

they are on a list they can't purchase those guns. it doesn't mean permanently, but while they are in this state of mind where they can hurt themselves or others, it's reasonable for others to intervene for their safety and the safety of the community. >> so is it easy for officials that are dealing with mental health of someone to share that information. in other words, what about the privacy of someone who is going and undergoing something. does that information need to be transferred over to the police department? >> i'm no expert, but it's usually not discloing mental health issues for the sake of health issues. there's something that goes along with it. for example, someone says they want to harm other people. and you see them buying handguns

or assault rifles. that's a good time for you to call in and have an assessment done. the guns will be taken away. then there will be due process where a court can decide whether or not this is factual and remove the handguns. it's not just giving medical information out. there has to be circumstances that warrant it. >> then you have the washlts saying they weren't aware that seven long guns or handguns had been purchased by this person. they weren't aware of it. i thank you so much. it's good seeing you. >> thank you. for more i want to bring in pastor paul purdue, who serves as the senior pastor at a church ten minutes from the school where the shoot og cured. pastor, thank you for being with us this morning. how is the entire community doing today?

>> people are hurting and grieving. when these tragedies come close to us, we grieve and that grief may come out in anger. it may come out in fear. it may come out in pulling back, but so many people have poured themselves in to the community. i think our prayers are with the people of covenant and with the pastor. people have heavy hearts. there's a vigil downtown tonight. there's vigils all over. i think people are carrying the weight of this. and trying to move through it. and i think that it's important for people to spend some time in

reflection and prayer and staying with their grief so they can respond and live lives of action and address some of the violence and our rampant addiction to guns. it's a balance of how we respond. but at some point we have to begin to act and to try to make a difference in the world and try to keep this tragedy and all kinds of tragedies from happening in the world.

>> i look at the pictures of the six people who lost their lives and you don't even have the picture there. and i think how did you explain that which is really unexplainable? how do you explain evil of this nature? how do you explain that? >> i think i don't really try to explain that. i think we can always trace where some evil comes from. some evil comes from actions. some evil of human beings. most even evil comes from there or inaction. and i don't encourage people to go straight to the whys. sometimes our response can be

why. and our response also can be what can i do. and how can i go about creating a better community in my faith tradition as in most. as united methodist, we take a vow in our baptism to resist evil, injustice and oppression. whatever forms they come. and so sometimes we don't know. we're getting ready to enter holy week. and in holy week on the cross, jesus cries out, my god, my god, why have you fore saken me. that comes from the osama 22. why are you so very far from saving me. and yet easter comes, but that questioning and that longing, that builds the psalms and the

thing that faith does, we opened our church. we have muslim people, jewish people, all kinds of people coming in to our church to be together. and i think this is what communities of faith do. we stand with one another and we also need to go out and make a difference in the world. during holy week, jesus says put your swords away. for those who live by the sword, die by the sword. and then jesus is even being reconciling towards those who come after him, so i think we always seem to be trying to reach out and to care for people these people have been mistreated. offering mental health, offering welcome and being people of

love. sometimes we pull back away in tragedy and we want to isolate. we want want to build higher walls. we want to put up hr fences and arm ourselves more. and that's a natural impulse to defend ourselves, but actually, we need each other. and we need to be concerned of the needs of the whole world. >> pastor paul, i thank you so much for being with us this morning. i very much appreciate your time. now to an awful tragedy, another awful tragedy, a fire that killed at least 38 migrants at a detention center in mexico. right across the border from el paso. video from inside the center, i want you to see this, it shows men in uniforms outside walking around after the fire started to the left. you can see the fire. look at these guys with the uniforms. look at the people on the right kicking that jail cell toor. and what do these officials do?

they leave. migrants remain locked in their cells surrounded by flames. mexico president has had all kinds of explanations. he said the migrants started the fire in protest. migrants refute that. a activists are condemning the detention conditions. the bodies and survivors were pulled out of the center. this woman frantically scream trg her husband. i see him, i see him, she says. i'm here. i'm here. as he's just outside the ambulance. protesters have been fanning at the gates of the fult calling officials there murders. joining us now from outside that detention center is anchor. i thank you for being with us

this morning. now the president of mexico is now calling for the prosecutor general's office to investigate what happened. what happened and what are you seeing there? >> well, jose, there's so many open questions, but the facts are that this is a government facility. that the fire started in a government facility. this is not a refugee, as the president called it yesterday. this is a detention center operated by the mexican government. and i mean, these people who died were under the custody of mexican government. so who is the responsible one here? that's a big question here. what happened? why didn't this guard let the migrants out of their cells. so what we have been seeing here is a lot of outrage, a lot of anger, a lot of fear because a lot of them believe that it could have been them. most of them have been in these detention centers they get here for a couple days once they are detained if they find them selling things on the streets or

asking for money. a lot of them are detained here and brought to the detention center. so they feel it could have been them. that's why they are gathering here outside this improvised that they put together just to remember the victims and to demand for justice. what we have seen also is that a lot of them are spending the nights outside this place, this facility. number one, because they don't have any money to pay or a room to spend the night. number two, they want to put the pressure on the local authorities just to make sure that answers are given to them. and one of them, i just want to introduce you to mr. david. and he's an immigrant from venezuela. how are you feeling today? he had to spend the night on the floor.

he was at the detention center just hours before it started. how do you feel knowing the fire started just after you left? >> he was asking for help. >> he was asking for help and

they decided not to stay here. he's saying when migrants come to the detention center, of their belongings are taken away. that's one of the arguments they are bringing up. they don't have anything to start a fire inside that detention center. other belongings are taken away.

he's a christian family. he thinks that god saved him from this tragedy. and this is just one of many stories outside this detention center. >> 39 people lost their lives. important to say these people were taken in there and they weren't doing anything illegal. many of them are requesting help. they have gone through the paperwork that mexico requires of them. and then they are just put into these prisons. thank you so much for being with us this morning. i very much appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead, residents in mississippi brace for more violent weather as they sort through what's left of their belongings. now president biden says he plans to visit the devastated state. and next, starbucks billionaire ceo gets roasted on capitol hill over his company's efforts to fight workers trying to unionize. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. "jo diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. r.

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nobles and jeff bennett, co-anchor of the pbs news hour. what are we hearing so far during this hearing? >> we're really hearing from howard shultz pushing back on the premise that the chair of the senate health education labor and pensions committee has established in that his company is not open to unions and has done everything possible to try to prevent unions from organizing, even to the point of breaking federal labor laws. shultsz rejecting that premise time and time again and even suggesting that he's open to his company negotiating with these unions. take a listen to a portion of what he had to say earlier today. >> while we care deep ily about our partners, we are limited by law in what we can do in environments. we are 100% committed to fulfilling our obligations as an employer under the labor relations act and committed to good faith negotiations on first

contracts for each unionized store. >> reporter: shultz has gone into the complications of such a big company that has so many individual stores and how in many stores there maybe only 20 or 25 employees and how difficult it is to organize a union with such a small group of employees that do have a fair amount of turnover. also he's argued that starbucks already offered competitive wages and benefits much different than their competitors. bernie sanders and democrats not necessarily buying all this argument. they have outlined specific examples of the way starbucks has stood in the way of these organizing efforts. there's been some fireworks this morning, as we expected. >> so why is starbucks getting this kind of scrutiny now? >> we are in this moment where workers rights and labor unions are getting so much attention.

ask think of this. 10% belong to unions. that is the lowest number in labor department records going back to 1983. 71% support labor unions. labor laws are tilted in favor of employers. and that corporate hostility to unonizing can make it hard for workers to overcome that. so you have senator bernie sanders, the champion of the progressive left, i think it's fair to say what he's attempting to do with this hearing is to show workers who are deciding whether or not to unionize that they have powerful allies in washington and howard shultz is the target because starbucks, according to the national labor relations board, has violated

union law or labor law in at least eight cases. starbucks has pushed back against that, but not enough to change heart. >> kevin mccarthy sent a letter to president biden asking for another meeting to discuss the issue. the white house said that republicans should pass a clean debt ceiling bill. but the president welcomes a separate conversation about the fiscal future. where do things stand with these efforts? >> they stand about in the exact same place they did in january where these negotiations were supposed to have started. kevin mccarthy and joe biden have not moved much at all. and kevin mccarthy insis tant that there needs to be some acceptance of spending controls before his caucus will pass a

debt ceiling. there's not really a path trd right now. at least not one that is obvious at least from a public perspective. one of the complicating factors for mccarthy is it's not clear that he has a caucus that's willing to agree to terms on any level. so if he were able to go to joe biden with a package, it's not 100% assured that the republicans in his caucus would go for it. we're in a situation now where biden and mccarthy are trading letters, which is really nothing more than public posturing, but they haven't had a substantiative conversation about this in several weeks. >> just wondering pretty much today, the 29th of march, exactly the same place we were in january. we have just about two or three months until this thing goes to crisis mode.

is there anything that leaves us to believe that everybody is going to start having more conversations that could lead to anything? >> deadlines often focus the minds of lawmakers. to your point, the treasury department says june 5th, that's the day the country goes off a cliff if there's not a deal. as i sit and talk to you, no negotiations underway. no deal in sight. i will tell you, though, that even as we sit is here three months away from this fiscal cliff, this deadline of potential catastrophe, the the fact that they are doing that, suggests that the white house and democrats feel as if they hold all the cards here. they are in a better negotiating place. in large part because as the white house continues to lead the house speaker to produce a

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i think that's significant because what it means is you're going to probably get in the near future a lot of testimony or at least a lot of question and answer sessions before the grand jury from people close to trump. >> any reaction from trump and his team so far? >> so nothing too significant at this point. i think what you're starting to see is in some of these executive privilege losses, trump's legal team decided not to appeal. so for instance, in a recent similar decision about the testimony of trump's lawyers, they basically decided not to fight that to a higher court. so we're now in a situation where it looks like the executive privilege arguments keep falling. so therefore, that seems to be the way the cases are going. >> i thank you very much for being with us. appreciate it.

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hotels and shelters. that's where they will stay while crews work to clean up scenes like this. as you can see from the devastation on this corner -- this is the same on every block in this town. this will take time. this was a house. you can see the roof line there. it's hard to make it out, but that is a semitruck flipped on its side that someone hung an american flag on. this is devastating and daunting for people thinking about cleaning up and rebuilding in terms of months if not years, especially when you add to that, it has been a brutal winter heading into spring for a lot of people. this is not their first run-in with a tornado. we talked to one pastor. this is the second tornado he has lived through in three months. he moves to rolling fork after his trailer was decimated a few months ago. i said, what did you think when you saw another tornado headed your way?

listen to his answer. >> i didn't have time to think except to -- how do i protect my wife and make sure she doesn't get hurt? she's got a lot of physical problems. i'm her caretaker. i'm concerned for her. wasn't even thinking about what's going on around us. i need to protect her from whatever is happening. >> reporter: the pastor there, known as father bobby people in town. we talked to him as he was organizing donations for other people in his community. his home was damaged but not destroyed. he, like a lot of people, was pitching in. you mentioned president biden saying that he will visit tornado-ravaged mississippi. we have yet to learn when that will be, what day or what town he will come to. given that this is the hub of the damage here in this ravaged state, this does seem like a likely candidate for the visit.

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