good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city, and we've got new context to an old question. can we stop mass shootings like the one we saw in nashville? because right now across america, roughly one in 20 adults owns at least one ar-15 rifle.

16 million citizens with 20 million weapons of war. the people in power acknowledging that change isn't in the cards right nowment so do we have to wait for a whole new generation before kids are safe in their classrooms? music lovers at a concert, or shoppers at the grocery store, and if we have to wait, how many more americans will die between now and then? plus, gut wrenching claims in missouri where residents who lost everything in those devastating tornados say they had warning sirens set up, but they never went off. so why not? and former vice president mike pence testing the campaign waters in iowa, but he can't escape questions about his looming legal issues in d.c. what he's saying now about the court order to force his testimony against former president trump and about his plans for 2024. but we start with those weapons of war, the ar-15 an estimated 20 million of them stored and stashed across the

country as republican lawmakers refuse to address or even acknowledge the link between those types of guns and the kind of mass shooting that we saw this week in nashville. in fact, 10 of the 17 deadliest mass shootings since newtown have involved ar-15s, a gun once praised by the pentagon for its exceptional lethality. federal lawmakers have essentially given up trying to act on guns. most on the right refusing to even really discuss it. so with no realistic hope for national action, can the shift be effectively made to the states. tennessee governor bill lee, whose wife's best friend cindy peak was among those killed on monday admitted something needs to be done, but the word gun never came up. >> we can all agree on one thing, that every human life has great value. and we will act to prevent this from happening again.

there's a clear desire in all of us whether we agree on the action steps or not that we must work to find ways to protect against evil. >> i want to bring in nbc ease lindsey reiser in nashville. jonathan lemire is "politico's" white house bureau chief, host of way too early and an msnbc political analyst. john dell poll pay is director of polling at the harvard kennedy institute of politics jonathan, i don't know if it was out of frustration, it was a reality check, maybe both, but president biden said yesterday he's basically powerless to do any more himself, and at the u.s. conference of mayors, the head of the criminal justice committee said, i feel like we've given up. is that where we are politically? >> it doesn't seem that way, chris. you heard from the president, you know, he praised the bipartisan gun measure that was passed last year in the wake of the uvalde, texas, school massacre. modest to be sure, just a small

step, but a step all the same, the first one in a long time, and was hailed by most as some progress. but there's been nothing since, and there's no appetite whatsoever for any sort of federal gun legislation now that the republicans have control of the house of representatives. the president has passed what he can, an exec pif action, an executive order. white house aides tell me they're looking for other things but they're not sure they can find anything that will have any real weight behind it. he is pleading with congress to do something, and he's being met with silence. republicans in the house haven't touched this. kevin mccarthy at least as of this morning hasn't even addressed the shooting in nashville, not even a rogue thoughts and prayers tweet. not a word. he ran from reporters in congress yesterday. so it does fall to the state level. we've seen earlier this year, michigan taking steps, perhaps to pass more tougher measures in that state. then you have tennessee, which has some of the most lax gun laws in the country, no red flag

laws there. it's open carry where even if -- even if police had spotted the shooter walking down the street heading to the school, they couldn't have done anything to stop that shooter because it's completely legal to have weapons, multiple weapons out in broad daylight, and that is why the nation at this moment braces for what would be inevitably the next mass shooting. there doesn't seem to be much being done in washington about it. >> john, a provocative question was raised in my morning editorial meeting. are we going to wait for young people, who have lived through live fire drills or maybe lived through a mass shooting or knows someone, you did a harvard poll, tell us about your findings, and do you think gen z is looking to be part of the change? >> i think, kris, they are part of the change. one of the most dramatic findings in this harvard survey

is for some perspective, sadly we've been tracking issues related to gun violence now for over a decade. between 2013 after newtown and 2018, there was a 15, 16 point shift of attitudes towards young people promoting stricter gun laws. we took that poll in 2018 right on the heels of parkland. perhaps surprisingly, perhaps not, we found that the intensity where essentially two-thirds, 63% of young people continue to believe that we need to have stricter gun laws. this is one of those issues chris, it's a crossover issue. whether you live in a big city or a small town, male or female, white, black, hispanic, asian american, this is a generation that believes to its core that we need to do something urgently to prevent the massacres that are happening far too often in this society. and they've made a difference. in 2018, in 2020, this was one

of the most animating issues that created the historic youth turnout, and i believe that we'll continue to see young people organize, not just at the federal level, but also on the state level as well. >> i was struck that the students share of your project, john, was quoted as saying the threat of gun violence hangs over my generation. actually, you mentioned a couple of elections. gen z also turned out in 2022 in historically high numbers. tell us a little bit more about the political makeup of gen zers, is it all democrats? >> we did some focus groups before this survey. it was a republican focus group where this came up organically. it was suggested that every person who owns a gun should have a psychological exam. we found that 73% of all young people agree with that.

86% democrats, but 59% of republicans. so again, chris, this is a crossover issue. and to put this into context, when i ask a young person what people like me, older americans don't understand, they will tell me the way you think about paying your bills, that's the way we think about living and dying every time we walk into a classroom, an auditorium, a movie theater, a concert. it's a weight that hangs with them all the teem. 41% of this generation, 18 to 29-year-olds say more days than not the last two weeks they are terrified that something bad could happen right around the corner, and they're talking about mass shootings and gun violence. >> terrified, wow. jonathan, you know, there's a debate that happens all the time in newsrooms, and i've also heard it as part of conversation, surrounding victims of gun violence and survivors of gun violence. how graphic should we be in describing what happens at these mass shootings? "the washington post" went there about the impact of ar-15s in

particular, and i want to read it, although with the warning this is graphic. it might be uncomfortable for some people to hear. but i'm going to quote now, a texas ranger speaks of bullets that disintegrated a toddler's skull. then you have noah posner and peter wang killed at marjorie stone douglas high, obliterating noah's jaw and peter's skull, filling their chest with blood and leaving behind gaping exit wounds. even thinking about those injuries is so horrifying, so much so that crime scene photos are often kept confidential. so jonathan, in a country where john's polling showing there's strong support for change. other polls across other age groups show the same, where's the pressure point, the strangle hold, maybe that's the better word, that stops change? >> well, there's sort of a

political cliche, that if america wasn't going to get tough on guns in the wake of sandy hook when more than 20 little kids were killed, it was never going to happen, and we have seen since then, that's largely borne out to be true. modest measures last year, not much. modest measures in the wake of the las vegas shooting or parkland, not much. the crisis of guns is here. you raised an interesting point, and i encourage everyone to read that "washington post" story. it's very difficult. it's also essential. you'll recall that there was debate last year after the uvalde shooting, there was some talk that some of the parents were considering putting out the autopsy photos, the crime scene photos to see just how damaged these young children were, just how they were. frankly blown apart by these automatic weapons, ar-15s. they opted against that, but the story here in the post does illustrate what does happen and the example we've heard about is emmett till, the young black boy

who was killed in the 1950s. it was his image, the image of his corpse that was so shocking, so horrifying. it did start to change public opinion then. that's a lot to ask any parent to do that. that's a lot to ask any american, anyone to do that to release those photos, maybe it would make a difference, but i'd like it think it wouldn't take that much, that americans would move before then. but to this point, we simply haven't. >> so now we have another community in crisis in mourning. lindsey, take me to nashville. what's the latest there? >> reporter: there's a lot of talk of how soon is too soon to be having these conversations, but how late is too late? remember, tennessee doesn't have red flag laws. those laws that essentially if a person is deemed to be a risk to themselves or others, law enforcement can take their weapons away. keep in mind, the shooter was not known to nashville police. they said they didn't even know this person existed. the shooter's parents knew that they were under a doctor's care for an emotional disorder, felt that they shouldn't have weapons, but the shooter had

seven weapons legally obtained from five different gun stores and left the house with those weapons in a red bag, and the shooter's mother said what's in the bag, didn't think much of it when she left, obviously not knowing the horror that would happen. you know, i spoke to a local state representative, democratic state representative beau mitchell who said now is the time because there is a finite window for the legislative session. in fact, there are at least two bills right now that would expand gun access, loosen gun laws, listen to what he told me. >> how many children do we have to bury before it's time to do something? we have no red flag laws in tennessee. we're passing laws that are presently going through the general assembly to allow an 18-year-old to purchase a gun, to allow someone to walk down the streets with an ar-15 or ak-47. i mean, it's time to do something. >> reporter: i talked to a senior minister at one of the

local churches here, one of the victim's families, evelyn dieckhaus, her family attends that church. he told me we have to do better. i don't like how this always gets politicized. everyone can agree this can't keep happening. i got to tell you, chris, over my right shoulder there are six crosses underneath a sign to register for summer classes. and over my left we have therapy dogs comforting adults and children alike. so chris, i can tell you the feeling on the ground here is that of hopelessness and helplessness. >> so jonathan, that brings us back to the politics of this. the nra has a convention coming up, and nbc news has just confirmed that both former president trump who i don't think -- correct me if i'm wrong, i don't think has had anything to say. as you mentioned mccarthy has had anything to say about what happened in nashville, and vice president, former vice president mike pence who is obviously

considering running for president as well. what can you tell us, jonathan? >> yeah, i mean, the politically influenced nra is not what it once was. it's an organization beset by some financial troubles, scandal with leadership. it's not the behemoth that it was a few cycles ago, but it still matters and certainly its agenda, the way it's shaped the message, the way it's pushed paranoia to suggest that the government is coming to seize your weapons is now almost part of a cultural identity. our friend joe scarborough talks about the hyper individualism that some of the right have, they won't give up any of their own rights for the collective good. we certainly see that when it comes to these weapons. the nra still matters in republican politics. that convention is coming up in a couple of weeks. it will be the fist time, i believe, that trump and pence have been in the same place in many a year, perhaps even since trump's term in the white house has ended. it's also possible other

republicans seeking the nomination may choose to end up there. trump has not said a word about the nashville shooting. they are not going to be breaking with the nra anytime soon, and it's another reason why so many republicans on the hill take their cues from that, and that's why we're not going to see anything from them, from the gop caucus outside of offering thoughts and prayers. >> i think we can probably predict what former president trump is going to say just days after uvalde, he went to the nra convention last year and was very clear he was against any new gun regulations, and instead got firmly behind arming teachers. lindsey reiser, jonathan lemire, john della vol pay, thank you all. a brand new interview with congresswoman alease slot kin, that's coming up in our next hour. there are new questions today over why warning sirens apparently didn't go off to give

people in mississippi enough time to find safety as deadly tornados barreled toward them. "the washington post" reports that across rolling fork, many said the only alert they received was the sound of approaching wind. the national weather service storm warning gave the sheriff's office 11 minutes to begin sounding those sirens, but more than a dozen residents including the city's mayor say they did not hear them, and those sirens are a lifeline in rural, low income communities where not everyone has internet access or cell phone service. nbc's maggie vespa is on the ground for us in rolling fork, mississippi, where i can see behind you how daunting everything must seem right now. families there trying to clean up, rebuild, what are they telling you? >> reporter: chris, first and foremost, they are confirming, "the washington post" reporting they did not hear those sirens on friday night as that tornado was rolling in. i said have you heard the sirens before? had they gone off? do you think you would have

heard them? they said, oh, yeah, we've heard them before. they all said they don't think they went off that night, and they also said they're not sure, though, how much of a difference it would have made because of the speed and power of this tornado. we have the damage here of what used to be a chiropractor's office and also a juice bar, which is now just frankly rubble. we haven't shown this yet, on the town's water tower, rolling fork's water tower that is now just a crumpled mess basically, bent in half multiple times, and just kind of pointed toward the ground. people are trying to clean up ask bring us back to some semblance of normalcy. if we can swing over here and show what's happening here at the post office here in rolling fork, mail carriers can't deliver to decimated homes, right? like the homes are gone, streets are unrecognizable so people here are coming to pick up their mail, show i.d. and pick up their mail. just try and keep life moving

forward just a little bit. we've heard story after story of survival and people just riding out the worst of this storm with their homes being decimated around them. here's one woman who rode out the storm, the tornado with her family of 11 as the house collapsed in on them. all 11 pulled from the rubble, all 11 survived, but now they have lost everything, chris. take a listen. >> how long do you think it will take to rebuild? >> i really just don't have an idea. i really don't. >> a whole community, a whole town, a little town like rolling fork, you know, just demolished and gone in the blink of an eye, it's just gone. >> reporter: and at the same time we've been reporting that electricity, water, natural gas, all of those utilities have basically been shut down since friday for the bulk of these most affected communities. we just talked to the natural gas provider who has kind of like a command station set up

over here. they said right now they're working to get sort of their priority facilities like hospitals and medical facilities back online, also the unaffected areas, as far as getting the rest of the community back online, days, weeks, months, can you tell me? we can't put a time line on this right now. we just want to make sure we do this safely. two questions, but are there answers from mike pence in iowa today on being ordered to testify in the special counsel investigation into donald trump, and what about the delay in a decision on whether he's going to run in 2024. also, growing threats surrounding europe's largest nuclear power plant, an exclusive interview with the u.n.'s nuclear boss on the ground in ukraine and looking to prevent a potential catastrophe. and first responders nationwide now saying they're not getting to life and death situations quickly enough. what's causing the delays ahead? you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc.

oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree. [ imitates trumpet playing ] and we wanted to thank america's number-one motorcycle insurer -for saving us money. -thank you. [ laughs ] mara, your parents are -- exactly like me? i know, right? well, cherish your friends and loved ones. let's roll, daddio! let's boogie-woogie! choosing a treatment for your chronic migraine - let's roll, daddio! 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more - can be overwhelming. so, ask your doctor about botox®. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start. it's the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. so far, more than 5 million botox® treatments have been given to over eight hundred and fifty thousand chronic migraine patients. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition.

side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue, and headache. don't receive botox® if there's a skin infection. tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. in a survey, 92% of current users said they wish they'd talked to their doctor and started botox® sooner. so, ask your doctor if botox® is right for you. learn how abbvie could help you save on botox®. you're doing business in an app driven, multi-cloud world. that's why you choose vmware. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open. (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. and enterprise control, unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today.

i screwed up. mhm. i got us t-mobile home internet. now cell phone users have priority over us. and your marriage survived that? you can almost feel the drag when people walk by with their phones. oh i can't hear you... you're froze-- ladies, please! you put it on airplane mode when you pass our house. i was trying to work. we're workin' it too. yeah! work it girl! woo! i want to hear you say it out loud. well, i could switch us to xfinity. those smiles. that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck.

today mike pence says he has nothing to hide and will obey the law, one day after being ordered to testify in the special counsel investigation into donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. >> i'll be in washington, d.c., later this week, and i'll be meeting with my counsel, and

we'll review the judge's decision. again, i have nothing to hide. at the end of the day, we'll obey the law. >> the former vice president hearing from voters in iowa, although his schedule for making a 2024 announcement seems to be potentially pushing back a little bit. nbc's vaughn hillyard joins me on set. matt gorman is a republican strategist and former aide to jeb bush and mitt romney. he said i'm going to follow the law. he didn't say i'm going to take this all the way to the supreme court. that's also a possibility. >> right. i will obey the law. it's clear that mike pence has consistently cooperated with investigators, with the january 6th select committee, marc short, chief of staff and other aides, they all went and testified before congress openly here. and yet again, you see him still suggesting he could potentially appeal at the same time mike pence is somebody who has written extensively about this. he has done interviews. he has talked about bt lead up to january 6th, and what you

just heard from him is notable, that he could appear soon before a grand jury to testify. >> the judge's ruling is another victory for the special counsel's team. they've had several of them, right? the people who are to . >> you see the names on the board. those folks often don't comply with nbc news's request for questions. i don't know the extent with which those individuals intend to go before the grand jury. the department of justice has shown a willingness in the past to bring contempt of court charges against folks who do not testify. last year it was not only peter navarro who did not sit down with the january 6th select committee, but also it was steve bannon, and the department of justice went to court and prosecuted steve bannon for not complying and not -- with that subpoena, and he was sentenced to four months in federal prison. he is going through the appeals process right now. for any of these individuals if they were to choose not to go before this grand jury, you should expect the department of

justice to take that seriously. >> they've made that clear. so matt, mike pence was asked about his plans for 2024 and his decision. here's what he said. >> sometime about the spring or early summer, that decision has to be made, and we're on that timetable. i expect we won't get out of spring without karen and i having a clear sense of our calling. >> so he went from in previous times he was asked this question from spring to now maybe summer. look, we've talked about on this show whether or not whatever happens to donald trump, how those investigations play out, if they might have people waiting to see, but is there a lesson from, say, chris christie, barack obama, about the power of being decisive? >> i would say less about being decisive and making sure you don't miss your window. i think as you said, chris christie is an example of somebody who could have ran in '12, that was probably his peak time to do it. barack obama in '08, he hit his

window pretty well folks would say. it's a little more technical than that. now when we have an idea when that first presidential debate will be in the late summer, that's kind of the boundary area. look, when you announce president you enter a lot of legal mechanisms, amounts that you can raise, amounts you can spend things on. a lot more becomes public. the longer you can wait to use soft dollars and super pac things to fund travel and your expenses around the country, the more advantageous that is to anybody, republican or democrat. >> we've had people come on this program going back to the whole idea of whether or not trump might face an indictment. people will come on the show and say you cannot run for president effectively if you're under indictment. take a look at the new quinnipiac poll, a majority of republicans, 75% believe criminal charges against trump should not be disqualifying. 23% said they should.

what should trump's potential 2024 opponents take away from that? >> candidly that there's not going to be some exmac ta that's going to take trump away or off the ballot. if you want to defeat donald trump or really any political candidate, you've got to do it at the ballot box. ted cruz beat him in iowa during the primary back in early 2016. so whether it's ron desantis, another person who could possibly catch fire or any other presidential candidate, if you want to defeat trump, you do it in the republican primary at the ballot box. >> vaughn hillyard, matt gorman, guys, thank you so much. meantime, there is a starbucks senate showdown. bernie sanders versus howard schultz and the battle over unions. we'll take you inside a fiery capitol hill hearing ahead. pitod easy-to-use tools, and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools

make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities. while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. you need to deliver new apps fast using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

oh booking.com, ♪ i'm going to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find the perfect vacation rental for you booking.com, booking. yeah. subway keeps upping their game with the subway series. an all-star menu of delicious subs. like #4 supreme meats. black forest ham and genoa salami. you can't stop that much meat. you can only hope to contain it - in freshly baked bread. try subway's tastiest menu upgrade yet.

when it comes to reducing sugar in your family's diet,

the more choices, the better. that's why america's beverage companies are working together to deliver more great tasting options with less sugar or no sugar at all. in fact, today, nearly 60% of beverages sold contain zero sugar. different sizes? check. clear calorie labels? just check. with so many options, it's easier than ever to find the balance that's right for you. more choices. less sugar. balanceus.org disturbing new video has surfaced appearing to show surveillance of the moment when fire spread in a detention facility run by the mexican government, 39 migrants were killed. the video appears to show multiple men kicking desperately at the bars of locked doors as

flames swell and smoke rises. three people wearing uniforms walked by but make no attempt to open the door before disappearing from view. within just seconds, the smoke is so thick that the room behind those bars is no longer visible at all. it's the latest spillover of tension along mexico's northern border where officials tell "the new york times" that a bottleneck of migrants is tied to changes in u.s. policy. i want to bring in nbc's julia ainsley and miriam jordan, national immigration correspondent for "the new york times." thank you both for being here. are mexican officials saying anything about how what we see in this video could have happened, and do they blame u.s. policy for the bottleneck? >> i don't think that they've come out and said specifically that the u.s. is to blame, but it's clear that the fact that the u.s. has implemented a series of policies recently has

created this backup on the other side. we have thousands of migrants that are, you know, filling shelters on the mexico side of the border. these are people the mexican government has to feed, has to clothe, has to handle, and the numbers just keep growing. >> and so how did this happen? i mean, when we look at that video, it takes your breath away. it's devastating to watch. what is the mexican government saying, if anything, about it? >> the mexican government for the time being is saying that this was caused by, you know, disgruntled migrants who, you know, lit mattresses and who provoked a blame that enveloped this facility, but there's still investigations that are ongoing, so you know, it's not clear

whether there was action that could have been taken as this video suggests to avoid this disaster from occurring. >> what we do know, julia, and you've been at the border and others have been at the border, the level of frustration among people who want to come across into the united states has been growing exponentially. within the biden administration, is there an acknowledgment that some of these policy changes have caused problems or what's the view from the american side? >> well, it doesn't seem so at least from what we're hearing from homeland security secretary mayorkas who testified on the hill yesterday and today, he said that the u.s. policies that are dealing with migrants coming across the southern border have been in his words tremendously successful. he's talking about policies that were just put in place at the beginning of this year that have made it harder for asylum seekers to come across the

border and claim asylum. they're saying that as they prepare for stricter policies to come, especially as covid-19 policies, title 42 is set to lift later. they say this has been successful, but you have to look at what's happening in juarez, even before this fire just a week and a half ago, chris, we know that there were hundreds of mainly venezuelans who rushed the port of the entry in el paso. that's just across the bridge from where the fire took place and a lot of those people said they were frustrated because this app that biden administration launched, it's called the cbp 1 app. it's supposed to make it easy for asylum seekers to schedule appointments. they say it hadn't been working well, and they were frustrated. you can see them right there. that is pent up frustration as so many of them have been held in mexico in some pretty deplorable conditions. we've been reporting on those conditions for some time. even though the number of migrants crossing the southern border in the past two months have been much lower than they were the previous two months prior, we can see now that doesn't mean that the demand for

asylum from these people to try to get into the united states, it doesn't mean that demand has diminished. >> yeah, and let me go back to the app, miriam, you write about this too many. obviously there are all sorts of problems who are created when you have all these people trying to get an appointment to be able to go and see if they can get across the border, but you also talk about, report about a 4-month-old baby who died when her parents could not get an appointment with that app. tell us about that and about the frustration you heard. >> right, i mean, you know, migrants are waking up before the crack of dawn to try to get onto this app and make an appointment, and what i heard from the shelter operator in tijuana, the largest mexican city that abuts the border is that a couple had a child that, you know, very urgently needed medical care because she was

having some respiratory issues, was not able to access the border because they couldn't get onto this app. previously, you know, there were u.s. lawyers who were able to personally escort families that needed emergency, you know, attention because they were particularly vulnerable across the border with the consent of u.s. authorities, and now everyone has to go through this app, and it doesn't distinguish the more vulnerable from the less vulnerable. >> so julia, i guess looking forward, the question is you've got another policy change coming essentially in may. is that going to make things better, or is it going to get worse before it gets better? >> well, it means that won't be able to use title 42, that policy that's been in place since march of 2020, that has turned back over 2 million migrants. they won't be able to use that anymore. but we know the biden administration has prepared and this is in rule making right now

that's pending comment. they are prepared for what is known as what some people call a transit banks meaning that anyone who's passed through another country on their way to the united states would be ineligible for asylum if they did not first claim it there. there are some caveats for vulnerable populations or people who might be able to prove they would be tortured if they were pushed back into their home countries or deported. by and large, they will find other measures to keep expanding the ineligibility, and some critics have said they're really taking a page from the trump administration on that. we continue to hear a defense from the biden administration saying they are trying to make it harder to come into the country illegally, and of course pay smugglers to do that and instead try to open up more legal pathways like that app. as you can see, not everyone's content with that. >> julia ainsley, miriam jordan, to be continued. thank you both so much for your reporting. testy exchanges on capitol hill, what happened in the showdown between senator bernie sanders and the former ceo of

starbucks? we've got that next. got that ne. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. and you may lose weight. adults lost up to 14 pounds. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop ozempic® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. gallbladder problems may occur. tell your provider about vision problems or changes. taking ozempic® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase low blood sugar risk. side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may worsen kidney problems. ask your health care provider about the ozempic® tri-zone. you may pay as little as $25. you're doing business in an app driven, multi-cloud world.

that's why you choose vmware. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open. (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. and enterprise control, unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today. this is going to be great. taking the shawl off. okay i did it. is he looking at my hairline? my joint pain isn't too bad. well, it wasn't this morning. i hope i can get through this. is plaque psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis making you rethink your everyday choices? otezla is a pill, not a cream or injection that can help people with plaque psoriasis achieve clearer skin. otezla is also proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain in psoriatic arthritis. and no routine blood tests required. don't use otezla if you're allergic to it. serious allergic reactions can happen.

otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. some people taking otezla had depression, suicidal thoughts, or weight loss. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. doctors have been prescribing otezla for over 8 years. i'm so glad i made it through the day. ♪ don't hesitate. ask your doctor about otezla today. - double check that. don't hesitate. eh, pretty good! (whistles) yeek. not cryin', are ya? let's tighten that. (fabric ripping) ooh. - wait, wh- wh- what was that? - huh? what, that? no, don't worry about that. here we go. - asking the right question can greatly impact your future. - are, are you qualified to do this? - what? - especially when it comes to your finances. - yeehaw! - do you have a question? - are you a certified financial planner™? - yes. i'm a cfp® professional. - cfp® professionals are committed to acting in your best interest. that's why it's gotta be a cfp®. find your cfp® professional at letsmakeaplan.org. ooh, we're firing up the chewy app.

can't say no to these prices! hmm, clumping litter? resounding yes! salmon paté? love that for me! essentials? check! ooh, we have enough to splurge on catnip toys! we did it, i feel so accomplished. pet me, please! okay that's enough. now back to me time. luv you! great prices. happy pets. chewy. ♪♪ ♪ a bunch of dead guys made up work, way back when. ♪ ♪ it's our turn now we'll make it up again. ♪ ♪ we'll build freelance teams with more agility. ♪ ♪ the old way of working is deader than me. ♪ ♪ we'll scale up, and we'll scale down ♪ ♪ before you're six feet underground. ♪ ♪ yes, this is how, this is how we work now. ♪

tough questions and tense moments dominating former starbucks ceo howard schultz's testimony on capitol hill. senate committee chairman bernie sanders grilled him and others about the company's labor practices. schultz is ing accusations of union busting. >> have you ever threatened, coerced, or intimidated a worker for supporting a union? >> i've had conversations that could have been interpreted in a different way than i intended. >> nbc's garrett haake is live on capitol hill. so garrett, walk us through what happened at this hearing? >> reporter: chris, everything about this hearing was contentious, even the process of getting howard schultz into the chair today has been a weeks' long back and forth that only

really came to a conclusion with a subpoena threat. and from the moment the gavel fell at the beginning of this hearing it was contentious. you heard some of that with bernie sanders grilling the former starbucks ceo about the company's labor practices. that's of course the stated focus of this hearing. you had a lot of barista, current and former in the audience there. there was sort of an atmosphere of tension around the whole process, even between the senators themselves. this excerpt i'm about to play for you caught a lot of people by surprise in which bernie sanders and the new republican freshman senator from oklahoma mark wayne mullen got into a back and forth about the relative ability for bernie sanders to be pressing this question since he himself has significant personal wealth now. let's just play it. >> you've made more misstatements in a shorter period of time than i have ever heard. >> please correct me because it's all public -- >> excuse me. >> it's all public. >> excuse me. go ahead. >> all right. >> excuse me. >> yes, sir. >> if i'm worth $8 million, that's good news to me.

i'm not aware of it. that's a lie, all right? >> number two. >> it's part of public record. >> you're probably looking at some phony right wing internet stuff. it ain't true. you should read beyond that. it is not true. >> it's part of public record. >> no it is not public record. >> okay. >> you at some point made a million on your book. you made 1.7 on your book. >> excuse me, i've got the mic now. >> i've got it. >> did you make that statement? >> you had your time. >> okay? >> all right. you're not telling the truth. second of all, you got no evidence that i have ever said that all ceos are corrupt. i have never ever said that. >> probably not all but every time you talk about ceos you do say that. >> chris, a couple of former house guys engaging in some house-like behaviors on the senate side, at least that's how senators would look at it. you don't see that kind of thing in a senate hearing very often. it's demonstrative of how much

more heat than light was probably shed during the course of this hearing, where you did have some republicans defending the sort of larger business practices of starbucks, some republicans, mike braun of indiana taking the more pro-union position than other folks might suggest kind of getting into the wonky business at hand here about how starbucks, you know, may or may not, the relationships they have with their workers. but again, a very heated hearing front to back, including exchanges like that one between the lawmakers themselves. >> schultz is probably glad to take a break and let them go at it. >> i can imagine that's right. >> garrett haake, thank you for that. appreciate it. and tonight, senator bernie sanders will join "all in" with chris hayes 8:00 p.m. eastern time only on msnbc. all this talk about tiktok, but what's really so dangerous about the popular app? we'll break it all down ahead. we'll break it all down ahead. though, he goes by shaw. which stands for skilled hands at work. from cutting hair,

and mowing grass, to roasting marshmallows. he's got a grasp on what matters most. there's a story in every piece of land. run with us on a john deere tractor and start telling yours. get a 1 series tractor starting at $134 per month. learn more at johndeere.com/1series you need to deliver new apps fast using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

every day, more dog people are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food. big pharma has been unfairly charging people hundreds of dollars, making record profits. not anymore. we capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors on medicare.

when it comes to reducing sugar in your family's diet, the more choices, the better. that's why america's beverage companies are working together to deliver more great tasting options with less sugar or no sugar at all. in fact, today, nearly 60% of beverages sold contain zero sugar. different sizes? check. clear calorie labels? just check. with so many options, it's easier than ever to find the balance that's right for you. more choices. less sugar. balanceus.org the head of the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog agency, the iaea is in ukraine today warning of the dangerous and completely unpredictable situation around europe's largest nuclear plant. take a look, this is rafael

grossi arriving at the plant to check on its safety saying one day our luck will one out. nearby fighting has knocked out power to the station currently in russian control raising concerns of a nuclear catastrophe. the station's six reactors are in shut down, and the electricity needed to prevent a meltdown is coming in through a single functioning power line. that's according to the associated press. nbc's matt bradley spoke with grossi, and he has previously said that every power outage is like rolling a dice. what did he tell you? >> yeah, well i asked what is the main risks you're going to be looking at, and of course he told me it's the integrity and the safety of the power plant itself. this is the largest power plant in europe, and it faces a lot of risk. it was actually she would or the area, some of the buildings around the reactor were she

would -- shelled back in november, just fairly recently. ukraine has been very public. he's with the united nations agency, and the united nation's has been critical of russia's invasion. he did say that ukraine needs to be careful, they are planning publicly for their own offensive coming in the next couple of weeks or months. that offensive could move the front line in the east of the country or around zaporizhzhia, he is in zaporizhzhia when i was speak to go him, which was held by the ukrainians and a couple miles away is the russian line that could rolling right over the power line and back and forth in militaries and wars, lines move back and forth. that could put the powering plant in the line. he said he's trying to set up a protective legal arrangement that would keep combatants away. here's what he told me. >> your earlier suggestion of a protection zone around the nuclear power plant, what reception did you get to that?

is that something that you feel like can become a reality? >> yeah, well, we are -- of course this is a process, and i have been consulting with ukraine and also with russia because russia has the control of the zone. we are adjusting and refocusing this proposal, putting less emphasis on the zone, and the concept of the protection in the sense of certain principles and commitments to do things or not to do things that would compromise it. >> and chris, you know, we heard from the iaea that grossi's next stop might be moscow to negotiate an arrangement that we were talking about there. we heard from the kremlin today, they have heard of no arrangements for grossi to visit the kremlin to proceed with the

negotiations. >> important interview. thank you, appreciate it. on the road with emergency responders and the life and death problem you probably didn't know about. next. ably didn't know about. next with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open. - i'm fernando, i live outside of boston. i've been with consumer cellular for five years. consumer cellular gives you all the same features that these big companies give you. what you get for the cost is remarkable. why would you pay more money?! - [announcer] why would you pay more when you can get unlimited talk & text with a flexible data plan starting at just $20 a month. - i think they should raise their prices! (laughs) - [announcer] sorry fernando!

our prices are staying low. so switch today and save! call or go online. (bridget) with thyroid eye disease i hid from the camera. and i wanted to hide from the world. for years, i thought my t.e.d. was beyond help... but then i asked my doctor about tepezza. (vo) tepezza is the only medicine that treats t.e.d. at the source not just the symptoms. in a clinical study more than 8 out of 10 patients taking tepezza had less eye bulging. tepezza is an infusion. patients taking tepezza may have infusion reactions. tell your doctor right away if you experience high blood pressure, fast heartbeat, shortness of breath or muscle pain. before getting tepezza, tell your doctor if you have diabetes, ibd, or are pregnant, or planning to become pregnant. tepezza may raise blood sugar even if you don't have diabetes and may worsen ibd such as crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis. now, i'm ready to be seen again. visit mytepezza.com to find a ted eye specialist

and to see bridget's before and after photos.

[ ominous music playing ] [ engines revving ] here we go! ♪ ♪ a growing problem for first responders nationwide that could mean the difference between life or death for those needing emergency care. nbc's tom costello has the

report. >> it's a daily challenge for emergency responders nationwide. congestion, gridlock. drivers who panic or won't budge. >> the last thing you want to do with a vehicle behind you is just stop. >> every crew we rode with said they had been on calls where a live could have been saved had they only gotten there sooner. naturally fire and ems response times average 7 to 8 minutes in cities, longer in rural areas. >> if someone is not breathing or their heart is not working, minutes are critical in that kind of situation. >> reporter: one big problem, drivers today are often cocooned in modern cars that are designed to keep outside noise outside. >> they're better insulated, they're better noise dampening. >> reporter: and a fast moving ambulance or fire engine may be moving faster than its siren. >> you see that fire truck behind me, i'm going 40 miles

per hour right now. i've got the radio on, the air on, and i'm only right now hearing the sirens. many departments run two sirens simultaneously, and new rumbler sirens that send out vibrating pulses to get drivers' attention. >> this guy right in front of you is not moving. >> they can't hear me. >> battalion chief mauricio, what could that mean in a fire? >> that could mean life or death. >> a small fire can grow to something very big in just 30 seconds. in a business where every second counts, front line responders say just getting there is taking longer. tom costello, nbc news, parker, colorado. >> we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's