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publicizing what the state deemedukraine. that the government decides, you know, if this journalistic account about russia's war in ukraine is false or not, and if they think it's false, they put you in jail. so it's a joke, frankly, jo journ journalistically, it's sad for russia and for russians what vladimir putin is doing here and how much he's discrediting russia. >> many journalists for major os have gone through training, what will you do if you're kidnapped. i went through it. very different situation than actually living it, which you did. what is evan facing right now? >> he -- it's a funny, you know, thing. he feels terrible for his family i know that might sound strange, but you know, he loves reporting.
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i was reporting afghanistan many years ago and the taliban held me for seven months, and you know, he's like telling the truth. he's actually trying to i think help the russian people by reporting on the ground there and taking a risk, but showing how much the economy is suffering, how this war is failing, but i think he feels bad for his family you feel that somehow your family is stuck. he's in a cell he's being fed, you know, he's looking at a very long time in prison i don't think he'll be harmed, but his family's going to go through hell as they tr try to o through everything they can to free him i think putin will try to pull off another prisoner swap. this is just a cruel thing to do to evan and his family. >> without a doubt, matt and help us have a little understanding of what it's like, some insight into being a reporter in russia, how difficult it can be to provide honest information without running into trouble with the kremlin. >> thank you, chris. the situation has gotten
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dramatically worse in russia for journalists over the past year i've not been in russia since the war started, so i have not had to operate under these conditions we're still talking to colleagues there a number of journalists like evan have gone back in, and we of course see everything that's happening in russia. the situation is more difficult than it ever has been, at least since the end of the cold car, though i would argue that that was a different time back then that was a different government, and this current russian government has a bit of a different m.o. so the senses you feel as a western reporter in russia especially in more recent years, you definitely feel like you are perceived as an enemy by the host government or these potentially combative, a lot of people are afraid to talk to you. that was something that was really becoming apparent, especially in the last year or two running up to the war. it's something that everyone has struggled with since the war began. russian people are afraid to talk to you. russian officials can be afraid to talk to you there's a sense that if you make
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the wrong move, you could find yourself in this kind of trouble. so it's an incredibly difficult, hostile environment to journalists at this point. and everything that's being done to evan, i think, shows that. >> our thoughts are with him, his family as you say, david, very difficult for them as well david rohde, kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. we're going to continue to follow all of this we are expecting briefings later today where we may get some more information. in the meantime, we're also learning more about that tragic army helicopter crash in kentucky last night. officials say nine soldiers were killed after the crash of two u.s. army blackhawk helicopters during a training exercise near fort campbell. nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube is with us what more do we know about how this happened as we wait for that official update from the pentagon this hour >> so we don't have any better sense of exactly what happened that led to this crash we do know, as you said, this was a training mission it was occurring at night. the crash was about 10:00 p.m.
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last night the pilots were using night vision goggles that can be very difficult to do that's why they train on it so carefully in advance of actually having to use it, but we know that there were nine u.s. service members who were on board those helicopters, four on one, five on the other, the collision occurred over -- near a residential area, but fortunately in a tree cakind of park area or field, so no one on the ground was injured or killed in this. again, tragically nine u.s. service members lost their lives. so these were hh 60s it's a derivative of a blackhawk. it's fair and safe to call it a blackhawk, but they can often be used for some sort of a medical evacuation this was a routine training mission, but they could have been using this for some sort of a medical evacuation type training in this case. that wouldn't be uncommon here we don't exactly know what was happening yet though we do know that we should expect to hear the names of these individuals later this week.
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there's a mandatory 24 high temperature h-- 24-hour waiting period before the military will identify them. as is really common in this age of social media, oftentimes the names will start coming out. we suspect we'll start learning some of the identities of the service members. we do know they were all part of the 101st airborne out of fort campbell, kentucky the collision occurred not too far from there, the crash not too far from there in kentucky near the tennessee border, but still a lot of questions about exactly what went down last night in kentucky, chris. >> hopefully as you say, we'll get more information at the briefing that's coming later this hour. the vatican says pope francis is progressively improving and, in fact, has already resumed work less than 24 hours after being hospitalized with breathing difficulties he's being treated for a respiratory infection, not covid. italian news agency antha
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reports that the pope could be discharged in time for palm sunday celebrations on april 2nd. he tweeted a message of gratitude from the hospital this morning. francis is 86 years old, and in spite of mobility issues because of a bad knee, he was active as recently as yesterday at his weekly audience including kissing several babies. boiling over, grief turns to anger from the u.s. capital to tennessee's capital today. we're live in nashville where protesters are demanding action on guns next. a thousand tech leaders are raising red flags over ai citing profound risks to society and humanity the major figure signing on and what's worrying them. new charges in the disturbing murders of two men at new york city gay bars that nbc news investigative report is ahead. you're watching "chris jansing you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc
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anger is boiling over from the halls of congress to the halls of nashville's state capital today. we see it now as protesters have been demanding action from state lawmakers in tennessee following that school shooting in nashville. you can hear them there shouting and last night we saw it again in washington when new york congressman jamal bowman directly called out his republican colleagues who have fought against any change.
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>> they're freaking cowards. they're gutless. i'm talking about gun violence i'm talking about gun violence >> school that allows teachers to carry. >> carry guns? you think -- more guns lead to more guns. more guns lead to more deaths. look at the data, you're not looking at any data. you're carrying the -- for the gun lobby. look at the data more guns lead to more deaths. >> i want to bring in nbc's lindsey reiser where protesters are flooding the halls of the state capitol building in nashville demanding action also with us "new york times" columnist nicholas kristof to the folks there have hope this shooting will change any minds in a state where before the shooting lawmakers were working to make gun laws there looser >> reporter: well, and those laws, chris, are still making their way through the general assembly discussion during committee has
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halted for the week out of respect for the victims, but next week it's possible that these bills, as you mentioned, that would expand gun access in the state could be up for debate again. so right now we see people still behind me hear at the state capitol. it has thinned out quite a bit we saw hundreds, upwards of a thousand people here this morning, a lot of parents, chris, a lot of people bringing their young kids, a lot of students here. in fact, one lawmaker inside tells me all the students who were trying to watch the proceedings today at the general assembly from the gallery were prohibited from doing so a lot of them perhaps left and went back to class because of that we know that they're demanding change the woman who organized this, she's a singlemom, and she sai she was called to action after seeing what happened on monday this is some of what she told me >> we have to do everything. we can't sleep at night. i can't even drop my kids -- look at these kids we want them to go to school and the leaders talk about home
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schooling their kids what yes, i'm going to be here. i'm going to be in their offices. i'm asking everyone here to visit these people >> reporter: i talked to a family earlier today, the brooks family, they lost their son and brother to gun violence in the waffle house mass shooting almost five years ago, and the 17-year-old who i talked to, he told me he's afraid every day, everywhere he goes, to school, out in public, and the mother told me she can't believe that almost five years later we're still in this place where we've hardly seen the needle move at all. one democratic lawmaker does tell me he and his colleagues are preparing a package that would include red flag laws which aren't on the books currently in the state of tennessee, and which would include an assault rifle ban with a republican governor, a republican-controlled state legislature it's unclear if that will really go anywhere, chris. >> nick, the day of the shooting -- and i was on the air, and i asked one of our law enforcement people does he see a
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possibility for change, and he said not with this congress. he said not in my lifetime, and i listened to the congressman from that state, tennessee, let me play for you what he said about change >> if you think washington's going to fix this problem, you're wrong they're not going to fix this problem. they are the problem >> president biden says he's reached his limit of what he can do with executive actions. where does that leave that mom who's in the halls of the state capitol in tennessee where does it leave the jamal bowman's >> i don't think that there is requ going to be action at the federal level with the possible exception of a few particular areas like maybe ghost guns, maybe 3d print guns. in general i don't think we're going to see action. at the state level, we have seen some real positive -- i mean, there's been negative action in some states that have made it easier to have guns. california has been a
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fascinating petri dish of experimentation in new policies including background checks for ammunition, for example, which seemed to be working really well it turns out there are a lot of people who have guns they shouldn't have, and they try to buy am munition and they can't acquire it california has a gun death rate 38% lower than the national average. that ugsuggests that other stats can proceed and take specific actions. >> you heard jamal bowman yelling the data, look at the data they're not looking at the data. >> no, they're not, but some states can act, and you know, i mean, i'm from oregon, a blue state. in oregon you can buy a handgun in a private sale at 18. in wyoming you have to be 21 i mean, if wyoming, the most pro-gun state in the country makes it 21 to buy a handgun,
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even in a private sale, then surely blue states around the country can at least go as far as wyoming north carolina is a, you know, somewhat conservative state. they have a -- they need a permit to buy a gun in north carolina and that is a system that seems to reduce some gun violence. there are only ten states in the whole country that prevent somebody with a stalking conviction from buying a firearm. the other 40 can move ahead on that we're not going to solve the problem. >> that doesn't even sound like it could be real. >> yes i mean, it's completely absurd, but the point is we're not going to -- the practical reality, i understand what bowman's saying. we're not going to solve this. we're not going to eliminate gun deaths can we reduce gun deaths by a third and save 15,000 lives a year yeah, i think that i'm hopeful about that i do see a path to save some of those lives. >> you did write a column about
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california, i think, back in january, and then zyou updated t because of nashville here's some of what you wrote, for decades we've treated gun violence as a battle to be won rather than a problem to be solved, and this has gotten us worse than nowhere so how do we make progress >> well, we turn to the data, for example. and you know, there are some things that are incredibly controversial and difficult. there are other areas that we don't even talk about because they aren't -- i mean, particularly controversial there are some social programs like becoming a man in chicago or cure violence, an anti-gang program that limits gun accessibility, and those have a real record of reducing gun violence as i said, you know, limiting access to guns to people who are at least 21, people who have drug offenses, alcohol convictions, history -- a misdemeanor with a violent
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misdemeanor conviction. >> do we have to also get to the point of understanding why people are so desperate to have their guns, 1 in 20 americans owns an ar-15, a weapon of war you travel a lot, when i travel my friends in other countries say explain to me this love of weapons. explain to me the mass shootings. when you get asked that, which i assume you do, what do you say to them? >> so i live in right now in a very conservative area where people have guns, and they talk about protection now, the reality is that when people have done careful studies of this, it turns out that having a gun in home increases the risk to people in that home rather than reduces the risk, but at the end of the day, you know, americans feel endangered, and so if they have the ability to go and buy that gun and, you know, then they keep it, and there's no safe storage requirement in most of the u.s., so anybody who goes in can use
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that gun we have about 400,000 guns stolen each year in the u.s., which creates a pipeline to, you know, to illegal guns, and -- but i do think that just as other countries have made some limited steps to make those countries safer, that we have some paths, take some steps that are going to be unsatisfying to you or to me but that can reduce the carnage. you know, we don't need to lose 48,000 americans a year to murders, suicides, and accidents. >> the number one cause of death for children nicholas kristof to see you again. first time post-covid having you in the studio. new and stark warnings from the tech world like elon rusk o -- elon musk about the rise of ai, we'll speak with someone who wrote about the possible risks
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intelligence can pose profound risks to society and humanity. and some major figures in the tech field have signed on to the letter elon musk, apple cofounder steve wozniak, and 2020 presidential candidate andrew yang. nbc's jake ward literally wrote the book on ai and coffvers all things tech and ai for us. what are these folks so worried about that they wrote this letter worried about the risks to society and humanity and what do they want us to do about it zp >> what these folks are talking about is the eventual destination of all of this ai fervor that we're seeing right now. right now what you and i are experimenting with in the form of things like chatgpt and all these art making pieces of ai the experts will tell you are pretty primitive, early rickety versions of artificial intelligence what these folks are worried about is the long-term destination, where we get to
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something called agi, that stands for artificial general intelligence it is the theoretical idea that someday artificial intelligence will have essentially hoovered up human expertise and human knowledge such that it can essentially be as creative, as improvisational, as smart as humans are, and the long-term threat that these signatories on this petition are worried about is that it may very well get out of control, that at this point we do not have what they describe as an accurate, safe interpretable, transparent, robust, aligned, trustworthy and loyal system those are their words. what they're worried about here is the lack of regulation, the lack of data privacy presumably, all of the sort of open qualities that make this really the wild west of ai at the moment, and where it all might be headed down the road, chris. >> jake ward, we're going to talk a lot more about this going forward, i have a feeling. thank you. there's new controversy brinewg in kentucky, activists now warning of dire consequences of a new anti-trans bill
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the pentagon spokesman brigadier general patrick ryder offering his condolences to the families of the nine folks who were killed when two army blackhawks collided very early this morning let's listen in to the pentagon briefing >> army public affairs separately, earlier today secretary austin met with his romanian counterpart to affirm our enduring bilateral relationship secretary austin thanked romania for hosting thousands of u.s. and allied forces to defend
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nato's eastern flank, and for romania's leadership role in the black sea region the two leaders also saluted the 30-year anniversary of romania's state partnership program with the alabama national guard the secretary looks forward to future meetings and opportunities to work with our romanian allies. a full readout will be posted to defense.gov later today. on the training front, since russia's unprovoked invasion of ukraine in 2022, u.s. european command, u.s. army europe and africa, and the security assistance group ukraine have trained more than 7,000 members of the ukrainian armed forces. just this week, 65 ukrainian air defenders completed patriot training at fort sill, oklahoma, and have now arrived back in europe they're integrating with other ukrainian air defenders along with donated patriot air defense equipment from the united states, germany, and the netherlands. once in ukraine, the patriot air defense system will add to
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ukraine's layered air defenses to provide protection and shield from russia's wanton, brutal attacks on innocent civilians and civilian infrastructure. meanwhile, in germany at the close of this month, more than 4,000 ukrainian soldiers in two brigades, one equipped with m 2 bradleys and one equipped with strikers will have completed combined arms training and will have returned to ukraine additional combined arms training is underway at training areas in germany with two motorized infantry battalions consisting of 1,200 ukrainian armed forces personnel operator and maintenance training on donated platforms is also ongoing with more than 3,000 ukrainian soldiers having completed platform training and 40 different programs of instruction on more than 20 systems since april of 2022. training for ukrainian forces is an international effort being conducted in partnership with our coalition partners who are currently training more than
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11,000 ukrainian soldiers across 26 different nations the u.s. will continue to provide training and work closely with our allies and partners to ensure the ukrainian people have the security assistance they need to defend the country, their country, and repel russian aggression we remain committed to supporting ukraine for as long as it takes. i'd also like to provide a quick update on where things stand in regards to our recent air strikes regarding iranian backed groups, as well as the status o'of our forces wounded during attacks by those groups. we now assess that eight mill t militants were killed in our strikes by u.s. air force assigned to u.s. air forces central. these precision strikes wiere taken to protect and defend u.s. personnel. the six u.s. personnel wounded in the march 23rd attack in northeastern syria are all in stable condition two of the wounded u.s. service members have already returned to
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duty one service member was medically vabted to receive treatment, and two u.s. service members and the u.s. contractor are receiving medical treatment in iraq. separately the u.s. service members injured in the attack against mission support site conoco on march 24 is also in stable condition and continues to receive medical care. as secretary austin made clear during his congressional testimony this week, we will take all necessary measures to defend our troops and our interests overseas to underscore in response to a pattern of iranian and iran-backed attacks against u.s. personnel and facilities in iraq and syria and the continuing threat of future such attacks, the united states has taken and as necessary will continue to take military action against the irgc and its affiliates. this includes the use of force against irg c & i rgc facility personnel and the u.s. central command area of responsibility
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with the intention to convince the iranians to deescalate threats against the united states, our interests and our people again, we do not seek conflict with iran, but we always protect our people, and with that i'm happy to take your questions "associated press." >> thanks, pat one quick thing and then a question on syria, you mentioned u.s. forces that are injured and also insurgents that were injured and killed is that eight militants s that the total number of militants that you assess killed and/or injured by u.s. strikes all together during that time period >> that's correct. >> and then are there any additional u.s. injuries or anything else that's happened, any other strikes that have happened >> sure. so no additional strikes than the ones that we've announced. and that is correct, we assess that aeight militants were kille as a result of those air strikes.
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in addition to the seven injured service members that i highlighted, there were an additional six u.s. service members that had subsequently been diagnosed with traumatic brain injury as a result of the iranian backed attacks, specifically four u.s. service members at the coalition base near hasaka during the march 23rd attack and two at mission support site green village on the march 24 attack. in standard procedure, all personnel in the vicinity of a blast are screened for traumatic brain injuries, so these additional injuries were identified during post attack medical screenings. >> and are all the screenings complete >> those will be ongoing as a matter of standard procedure so there is always the possibility that there could be additionals, but that's where we're at right now. >> okay, then just one quick thing. the white house announced earlier today that russia has reach out again to north korea for some tadditional weapons, et cetera, support for the war
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has the pentagon seen any indication that any other additional weapons or any other military support is either preparing or moving from north korea to russia? >> we have not at this time beyond the -- which had been previously announced beyond the shipment that wagner group had previously arranged for, but it's, again, something we continue to keep a close eye on. all right. let's go ahead and go to janie and then edris. >> thank you i have two questions the senate relations committee has mentioned the review of improvement of tactical nuclear weapons in south korea what is the pentagon's position on that? >> i'm sorry, i didn't understand that. >> the u.s. senate foreign relations committee has mentioned review of lead deployment of tactical nuclear --
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>> we were hoping to get some new information about the army helicopter crash that claimed the lives of nine u.s. service members, and maybe we still will depending objn the course of ths questions. we're going to continue to listen to the pentagon briefing. so far all that's been said is sending prayers, thoughts to the families the aclu says a lawsuit is imminent after kentucky legislators packed one of the strictest anti-trans laws in the nation overriding the veto of their democratic governor. the law restricts bathroom access and pronoun use in public schools and bans gender affirming care for kids starting this summer. here's the bill's sponsor defending it. >> there are school districts that cannot legislate on their own common sense in bathrooms that stand up for parents, that stand up for families and to stand up for children.
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>> it passed jooverwhelmingly i both chambers, although opponents were visible and vocal. >> good people will die because of what we've done here today. let me share the memory of the son of one of our colleagues his name was henry three months ago henry killed himself, not because he couldn't accept himself for being trans he killed himself because others rejected him for it. what henry did that day was a tragedy. what you are doing here today is a travesty >> joining me now is henry's mother, kentucky state senator karen berg she is a democrat. i so appreciate you joining us what's your response to that argument, that the law actually protects the rights of parents >> good afternoon, and thank you very much for joining me this bill that we passed here in kentucky under no circumstances protects parents' rights they call it a parents' rights bill, but basically they have taken away the right of parents
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dictate the health care of their own children so even as a parent knowing that gender affirming pronouns can decrease a child's suicide iup t 50%, i do not have the right even with a health care provider to write a note into school and say i would like my child's pronouns to be respected >> in addition to serving in the senate, you're a radiologist ask a professor at the university of louisville's school of medicine, so i wonder what your conversations about this are like with doctors, with other people in the health care field. >> it's been just really overwhelming we have had board certified, licensed pediatricians, psychiatrists, therapists, primary care physicians from all over this state coming to frankfort, meeting with
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legislators, talking in committee. the other side has not brought a single physician licensed in kentucky, nor have they brought us a single physician in person to talk on this issue. but it is -- it's not a question of do the rules make sense or not. to these rules follow medicine because clearly they don't this is purely 100% a political vote this is not a vote where people can look at the data and say, oh, wow, you know, these studies actually show this and even though this study may have been interpreted to show that, no, no, they don't want any of that. they don't want to hear from their health care providers. they don't want to hear from their constituents they don't want to hear from patients here in the state of kentucky and i don't -- >> kentucky state senator karen
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berg, we're going to continue to follow this including the lawsuit. thank you so much for being with us if you or someone you know is struggling, help is available. call or text the suicide and crisis lifeline. that number you see on your screen is 988. family and friends of irvo otieno are hoping the brutal death of the man they loved will become a rallying cry for those who suffer from mental illness on wednesday the reverend al sharpton focused on that during otieno's eulogy. not only didn't he get help when he needed it most, ten people are charged with suffocating him to death >> the disgrace was not irvo had mental illness the disgrace is how you treated irvo this boy wasn't hurting sicknes and if you were not equipped to train to deal with the illness, then you should not have showed up to answer the call. you can be prosecuted and held
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accountable. there will be an law >> reverend sharpton joins me now, the president of the national action network, and host of politics nation here on msnbc. you and i spoke, i think, within 24 hours after it became public what had happened. now you're talking about an ivo law, what would that look like, rev? >> it would look like those that get a call about a situation involving mental health would not be the first responders without having people that are school trained with mental health episodes being on the scene and to help guide what procedures would go forward. this young man was in a mental health episode and law enforcement responded by throwing him to the ground,
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handcuffed, shackled and then laying on him. if there was some intermediaries there that knows how to deal with health care, that knows how to deal with mental health care, i should say, that could intervene and try to talk and try to deal with ivo because they're trained in that area, and would also try to tell the police, back up, that is not the way you handle somebody. shackling his legs and he's handcuffed he may be alive today. so we're saying in the state of virginia, we're starting a drive for the ivo law that you can not answer a call for mental health. episodes without having an expert there that is trained in that area. police should not be the first responders in those calls. >> one study by the american psychological association estimated at least 20% of phone calls to police involve a mental health or substance abuse crisis, and that same study
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found that more than 80% of law enforcement officials say mental health calls have actually increased during their careers you asked yesterday, i thought this was notable, why police aren't better equipped to deal with these calls, but do we know the answer to that >> the answer is i think we have allowed mental health patients, people with mental health problems, and all of us know people in our families and neighborhoods that have them as though they were outcast, that there is something that is wrong with them, rather than our ability to deal with them, and i think that we've got to begin to see this as something as normal as having any other illness and there needs to be a trained reaction to this with experts involved or be part of police training and i think that the brutal way that ivo was killed brings this
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front and center, i wish there was more media attention we're going to continue agitating and organizing around this because we cannot have people with mental health issues responded to in this way the call for mental health should not end with a death sentence, it should end with healing and help. >> are you concerned this could have a suppressive effect on people who might otherwise call for help when someone they love is having a mental health crisis particularly in the black community where we know there has often been, studies have shown, a reluctance to admit when there's a mental health crisis going on. his mother did, and look what happened >> i'm very concerned about that i'm very concerned that there would be those that are already saying i don't want to call the police that will now say i better not look what happened to ivo, my
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young man, my young daughter, my young cousin is having an episode, but i'm scared. look what happened to ivo, if i call them, they should handle them in the same way i could make a bad situation worse that's why we need a law, an answer to this i called on governor youngkin to lead the way in virginia, which could be a national example. they're talking about him running for national office. this gives him a real way nationally to show that he can govern for not just dealing with the black community but all communities have people that have mental health situations that now feel. >> reverend al sharpton, appreciate you taking the time it's been busy back and forth to get that eulogy. thank you, we appreciate you
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york's city's targeting gay bars left two men debt. stephanie gosk has the report. >> reporter: new york city's hell's kitchen, one of the favorite neighborhoods a favorite spot for the lgbtq community, now a target the nypd says for thieves, using a debilitating and sometimes deadly cocktail of drugs to steal from their victims like 33-year-old jon umberger. >> he just loved the energy of the city. >> reporter: umberger came to new york last spring for work and phone. he ended up at the queue his mother says there's security camera footage leaving late at night with two unidentified men. his body was discovered in the apartment he had been staying in his family says his phone and wallet were gone and roughly $20,000 had been drained from his account. at first, the police believe the
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young political consultant's death was a drug overdose, not part of a crime according to his mother, linda cleary. >> police wanted to go with it was grand larceny, it was a theft. >> did you go in that moment, there was something about the drugs that doesn't make sense to me. >> she was convinced after her sister sent this nbc news article about 25-year-old julio ramirez. >> linda, this is odd, you need to read this this has a weird similarity. >> reporter: ramirez was found dead in a taxi after leaving the ritz bar and lounge in hell's kitchen last april police say he died of an apparent drug overdose the family tells nbc news, tens of thousands of dollars were stolen from his accounts, too. >> it became very clear that this was rampant with many victims and different groups or different rings doing the same thing. how do you watch someone die and
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then walk out the door and start using their credit cards to drink and eat? >> reporter: ten months after her son's death, two law enforcement official says there are indictments. the d.a. issues arrest warrants for six men involved in 17 robberies, some facing murder charges. it doesn't stop there, the medical examiner's office says it is involved in the investigation of several deaths in similar circumstances d.a. would not comment while the nypd says it is still investigating. >> the criminals have realized that they can go out and victimize people, get them very drunk, or drug them, and access their online banking accounts. >> reporter: actually using someone's face when they're unconscious to unlock their banking apps >> yep >> sometimes they hold the phone up to their face and use their face. >> reporter: the neighborhood is on hig
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