then walk out the door and start using their credit cards to drink and eat? >> reporter: ten months after her son's death, two law enforcement official says there are indictments. the d.a. issues arrest warrants for six men involved in 17 robberies, some facing murder charges. it doesn't stop there, the medical examiner's office says it is involved in the investigation of several deaths in similar circumstances d.a. would not comment while the nypd says it is still investigating. >> the criminals have realized that they can go out and victimize people, get them very drunk, or drug them, and access their online banking accounts. >> reporter: actually using someone's face when they're unconscious to unlock their banking apps >> yep >> sometimes they hold the phone up to their face and use their face. >> reporter: the neighborhood is on high alert.

>> just remind them to keep an eyen eye on their drinks. for linda, that most were gay adds to her family's pain. >> to see a group of people who have been persecuted just for being themselves, targeted, just really hurts it angers me it grieves me. >> reporter: she's hopeful her son's story will be a warning that may save people lives stephanie gosk, nbc news, new york we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports. let's get right to it. >> at this hour, up in flames, a training carrying ethanol derails and catches fire in minnesota forcing people earlier today to flee their homes. what we know about this latest derailment. also, an update on the

health of pope francis who the vatican says is progressively improving in the hospital. we've got a live report from rome. plus, an investigation underway after nine soldiers were killed in an army helicopter crash in kentucky what we just learned from pentagon officials. and any minute now, we're expecting an update from the white house on the american reporter arrested on spying charges in russia. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments we begin with that arrest and charges not seen since the cold war. nbc's josh lederman is covering this from london josh, as we wait to hear from white house officials, that briefing scheduled to start any minute now what do we know now about this case >> well, we know that this journalist will remain in russian custody at least for the next two months. that is what emerged from his brief court appearance in moscow earlier told we also know that because this court case is going to be held behind closed doors, having been deemed top secret, we are not

likely to know in realtime very much about the proceedings, about the evidence presented against him or any opportunity for him to present a defense and people who are charged with these espionage charges in russia are almost never acquitted, chris, meaning there's very dim prospects for him to emerge without a conviction here. he does face up to a 20-year sentence, and so the best opportunity for him to be free could potentially be in some type of a prisoner swap. now, the russians have made clear they would not be willing to entertain any kind of conversations about that kind of an exchange, until the legal process plays out, which frankly is what we saw as well with brittney griner's detention, but in the meantime, we're hearing from the state department spokesperson about the u.s. concerns about his detention take a listen. >> when any american in any part of the world is detained, we

move quickly to seek access, just as we have in this case, and secondly, our travel advisory warning for russia continues to be a level 4 and has been for quite some time and that continues to be the case and it continues to be our message to any american citizen currently inside the russian federation. >> now, the fsb, the russian intelligence agency says that he was caught red handed, conducting espionage on behalf of the u.s. on russian state defense industry senterprises, that is something the "wall street journal" in their statement today is firmly disputing, the newspaper calling for his immediate release, chris. >> josh lederman, thank you for that good news, pope francis is feeling better, and even back at work after being hospitalized for a respiratory infection. nbc news foreign correspondent

claudio lavanga is with us from rome with the latest what are we hearing from the vatican tonight? >> reporter: hey, chris, well, we are awaiting any minute now an update on the health condition and situation there with the pope at the hospital. we haven't received it yet the latest we heard from them is later this morning as you mentioned, they said that he has rested well overnight, that his picture has been progressively improving and he's continuing his planned treatment, also the vatican said that this morning he had breakfast, he read the newspapers, and then he resumed work now, those are all very reassuring words, especially considering how worried a lot of people were around the world about the pope after it was revealed that he suddenly, without any notice, he went to the hospital on wednesday afternoon for a respiratory infection, and that is very dangerous for someone like the pope because he's 86 years old, because he's had a bit of his

lungs cut out when he was a young man because of another infection, and of course combine the three things, and that is a very very dangerous thing to have so reassuring words from the vatican. we are waiting for a new update to come up very soon we'll keep you posted with that, chris. >> claudio, thank you for that now to nbc's courtney kube, following developments in the helicopter crash that killed nine american soldiers what did we just learn from the pentagon >> reporter: we didn't learn a whole lot more about exactly what happened tonight, when the two u.s. army black hawk helicopters crashed in kentucky. it was about 10:00 p.m. last night. we know that they were near a residential area, but they were actually in sort of a fielded and maybe area with some woods, so fortunately no one on the ground was injured or killed, but as you said, chris, tragic loss of nine u.s. military members. they were all part of the 101st airborne, division, based out of

fort campbell, kentucky, the collision happened close to the border with tennessee. we don't have a good sense of exactly what happened. it was a nighttime training mission. these black hawks are hh 60s, which are commonly called pave hawks, often used for med evac we know from a briefing at fort campbell, it was a medical evacuation exercise that they were involved in here, but again, training, not an actual med evacmission they were on it's not uncommon in these sorts of training missions for there to be more than one helicopter flying in relatively close succession they call it often a two or three helicopter convoy. that's pretty common when you're in a combat situation so if they are exercising in this case or training or preparing for an actual combat mission, it wouldn't be uncommon for them to be flying together in relatively close succession, but, again, we still don't really know much more there is a safety group that's

coming from fort rucker, nearby fort rucker in alabama that will be investigating this. hopefully we'll get a sense of exactly what happened. we also still don't have any idea of who these nine individuals were we probably won't get a sense of that until tomorrow. we heard a little bit from the pentagon from brigadier general pat ryder, the spokesperson there. he explained there's a 24-hour waiting period after next of kin notification after the names are released publicly, chris. >> courtney kube, thank you for that. another evacuation after a train, this time carrying ethanol, e railed and several cars erupted into flames in a small town in minnesota. tom costello is following this for us tom, that evacuation order, i understand, has just been lifted what do we know about what happened here? >> reporter: just lifted the sheriff's department says it does not believe there's any threat to the ground water what we know is this happened at about 1:00 in the morning. this was a bnsf railroad operation carrying ethanol and corn syrup about 100 miles west

of minneapolis the train derailing early this morning. emergency crews immediately responded. they found about 14 of the cars carrying hazmat material and as you would expect, that triggered an emergency response and they evacuated homes within a half mile radius. that evacuation order just lifted the ntsb expected on the scene momentarily. the epa has been on the scene since early this morning i can tell you that this is a highly flammable type of chemical, ethanol is, especially with exposure to air as soon as it was exposed to air, you had fire, you had explosions, and the symptoms, if you are exposed to it, include a cough, a headache, fatigue, thankfully, at this point, no injuries and no deaths reported. we would remind the audience that this is the second, while there have been many derailments, this is the second major derailment in the midwest, east palestine in february,

different railroad operator completely and because of that one in which the ground water has been tested repeatedly, the soil tested, the air, because of contamination, the ohio legislature has pushed through new train safety rules and regulations in that state as congress is considering something else on a national level as well, chris. >> thank you so much, tom costello, we appreciate that update. crowds of protesters passing the hallways of the tennessee state capitol, demanding actions after three kids and three adults were shot dead in a nashville school. plus, how average people who n never expected to be in the spotlight are becoming targets of qanon conspiracy theorists. and a hip hop star accused of money laundering could bring steve ban non and brittney spear in the same courtroom. the details on the strangest case you've ever heard straight

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we have now gotten that statement from the vatican on pope francis ice health that we have been interesting, a little bit after 8:00 in rome, and the headline is, the way things are going and his health is improving, he could be discharged from the hospital in the coming days. now, we did get a little more on the diagnosis. we know that he went in for a respiratory infection. officials now say he had bronchitis he was treated with iv antibiotics and as a result of that, he showed a marked improvement in his state of health, and to quote pope francis in the afternoon at g gemelli, devoting himself to rest, prayers, and the question is whether he'll be able to be at palm sunday mass, of course the holiest week in the catholic calendar is comingd on the

health and condition of pope francis. meantime, in tennessee, grief has turned to action in nashville where protesters flooded the state capitol building today take a look, you can see young kids among those holding signs, demanding protection, and calling for the end of gun violence after the horrific shooting at the covenant school on monday, which left three children and three staff members dead and that's where nbc's lindsey reiser joins us from the state capitol in nashville i know you have been talking to people there at memorials, at the vigil yesterday, now at this protest. what are they telling you? >> reporter: chris, hundreds of people showed up today, i mean, probably about 1,500, maybe even upwards of that showing up a lot of young people, a lot of young students, skipping school. a lot of parents bringing their young kids here as well. i talked to the organizer of today's event, a single mom herself, her son is about to turn 5, and she said she felt mobilized to act when she saw

this on monday she was heartened to see the result today with people singing songs, confronting lawmakers on their way into the general assembly today, calling for some kind of gun reform i have talked to a mother who lost her older son to gun violence in a waffle house shooting in nashville in 2018, and she says she can't believe here almost five years later this is still where we are, and i talked last night at that vigil to a teacher who told me that she watched the body cam footage through a different lens i want you to listen to that exchange >> some of the footage, there was a teacher outside, and she remained very calm, so it just solidified, i have to remain calm in that situation >> reporter: how crazy is it that you're looking at surveillance video almost as a student, you're studying what to do >> i don't like being there, but in order to know that i can provide the most protection for

my kids, i think that's how we have to look at it >> reporter: she said that she knows that parents trust in her with the lives of their babies, and she would protect them at all costs. she was at a teacher's conference earlier this week today was the first time she was reunited with her second graders, 7 and 8-year-olds, i asked how she was going to talk to them about this she said she was going to not talk about it if they didn't bring it up, because she didn't want to further traumatize them. that's a struggle, something i have been asking parents, and how do you talk to your kids about this, nobody has the answers. i talked to democratic lawmakers, he and the rest of the caucus plan on putting together a package it is unclear whether that will go anywhere, considering the currently bills going through the general assembly would expand access to guns here in tennessee. chris. >> lindsey reiser, thank you for that i want to bring in dr. julie

caplo, the executive director of the trauma and grief center at the hack et center for mental health in 2018 she spent time talking to students and staff at the santa fe school shooting that killed ten people. thank you so much for being with us you know, you look at what we're seeing unfold, students and adults in nashville, many of whom survived the unthinkable. look at this photo, i think, now, is ingrained in all of us, a little girl crying on the bus, her hand pressed up against the window, tears streaming down on her face this image of pain, how do kids like her even go back to school, somewhere they consider to be a safe space, and what do their parents and teachers say to them >> it is truly heartbreaking, and seeing that image is devastating, and, you know, what we tell parents is that it actually is really important to acknowledge what happened. we have very well meaning adults who don't want to bring it up

because they're worried they'll further traumatize their child, but the reality is their child is thinking about it, and they need that validation from their care givers, to be able to tell them this was scary, but here are all the ways that we're going to continue to try to keep you safe and reminding kids that there are many many adults in their lives that are going to do everything they can to protect them. >> the covenant school has kids, and preschool through 6th grade, and there's a big difference between a 4-year-old and 10-year-old, and 11-year-old so how do you help them process in ways that they can understand >> yeah, that's a great question, and it is very challenging. we want to meet kids where they are developmental. you know, i would say for the younger kids, it's really important to keep saying very simple and straightforward and allow them to guide the conversation, so you might say something like, you know, i know how hard it was to go through this i know you're probably still

pretty scared. what questions or worries do you have for me? and that way we're meeting the child where they are sometimes as parents, we kind of provide a lot more detail and information than we need, which can be overwhelming and sometimes, again, parents don't say enough, and it sends the message that it's not okay to talk about this. >> it was less than a year ago, we were talking about the tragedy in uvalde, texas, and after the shooting, the mother of one 10-year-old boy, hi name is daniel, who survived, found this drawing that her son made if you read it, it says, i am sorry i let you down i am sorry i let you die he was referring to his cousin, eli garcia, who was one of the students who was killed at uvalde for kids who are suffering through this type of survivor's guilt, i have met a lot of them, it goes on for not just days and weeks, but also years. what types of coping mechanisms can help them? >> sure. you know, that is also

incredibly challenging those feelings of guilt and remorse, as you said, are very common and also very difficult to treat and so one of the ways we help kids to cope is by thinking about ways that they can feel more connected to the person who died or their activities that they used to enjoy doing together that they can engage in to feel like somehow they're still connected. thinking about what are ways that they can make a difference in honor of that child or in memory of that person who died, and, again, the most important thing is to acknowledge and help that child reminisce about the person who died. so not trying to brush it under the rug, but really acknowledge that this is hard and painful, but we're in this together, the adult and the child together to really process it. >> we live in a world where it's very hard to keep things from kids, right? it's just everywhere and so even if you are far away from tennessee or far away from uvalde, somehow the kids know,

they go to school, they hear about it and some of them are frankly, will say to their parents, i'm afraid to go to school what do you advise parents whose kids have not gone through this firsthand, but are still feeling the stress and the fear caused by the fact that it happened >> yeah, you know, sadly we have gotten this question so frequently because of the mass shootings and school shootings that we've all experienced, even from afar, and what we have come up with are three tips based on research that we've done with families who have, you know, witnessed traumas. there are three things that parents can do to help their child and the first is supervision. that means really monitoring what they're seeing on the news and, you know, answering any questions and even turning off the tv if it feels too overwhelming the second thing is structure. so maintaining a structure really helps kids to feel more

in control of their environment. after a shooting like this happens, it feels like the world is a scary police lace, it's das to go to school. by maintaining the structure, you're reminding the child of the things they can and do control, and the third very important tip is self-care we know that kids absorb their anxiety in their environment, so they emulate or model how their parent or care giver is coping, and if a care giver is very stressed and anxious, it's really important for them to get their own support, whether that's, you know, talking to friends, family, or even seeking therapy. >> dr. julie caplo, important at vice thank you so much, we appreciate you taking the time to be with us today. qanon conspiracy theories are changing tactics, going after people you probably never even heard of. why? and what's their end game? you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc - cfp® professionals are committed to acting in your best interest. that's why it's gotta be a cfp®.

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such threats used to be made only against high profile figures, say dr. anthony fauci or bill gates, but as "the new york times" reports increasingly, even professors and researchers without much of a public persona have faced intimidation from extremists and conspiracy theorists the writer of that story joins me now, tiffany shoe, covers disinformation for the "new york times. this is fascinating just as much as it is frightening you detail, for example, the story of a french scientist whose ideas about unclogging cities led to death threats, comparisons to notorious dictators like hitler and stalin what is going on out there >> yeah, so i wrote about a fellow named carlos boreno, and for 40 years, ever since he moved to france from columbia, he's been a well-regarded professor in paris he came up with an idea about in 2010, he formalized it in 2016,

called the 15-minute city, and the idea is basic, that every day destinations, like schools, stores and offices should be only a short walk or a bike ride away from home no borders, no barriers, the 15 minute city is all about accessibility for residents. this is an idea that, you know, was popular among a lot of p mayors, it gained a lot of traction during the pandemic but it wasn't until february that the conspiracy theorists came ouc out of the woodwork, and all of a sudden for the first time in his four-decade career, he started to get death threats people were saying, your punishment will arrive you should be run over by a cement roller. you're like stalin, you're like hitler, you're public enemy number one, and mr. moreno after a long career in ask cademia wa unprepared for this. what he told me is i'm a

scientist, i research. why would anyone hate me so much for an idea meant to do good to people. >> that's the heart of the reporting. so many threats are being directed at scientists and particularly studying covid. in a survey of 321 such scientists who had given media interviews, the journal nature found that 22%, 22% had received threats of physical violence or sexual violence, and 15% have received death threats one vaccine scientist later died by suicide so within that community, is anything being done to protect people from threats from harassment how are they dealing with this >> i've spoken to multiple scientists, researchers, professors who said there isn't much training in this field because you don't go into the field like this, expecting random people on the internet to threaten you and abuse your

family and so there is a growing movement to ask for universities, ask for think tanks to prepare their employees for this kind of abuse online. so having a staff of people who are trained to kind of wipe your presence from the internet, make sure your address and your personal information aren't easily discoverable, to offer you counseling but it isn't something that's baked into the infrastructure at this point, and so professor moreno told me he and his team often have felt alone in the past few weeks. >> tiffany shoe, i recommend the article to folks who really want to understand what's going on out there. appreciate it. appreciate you being on the show. >> thank you. and now to a story even hollywood couldn't imagine, why a grammy win ner is on trial fo conspiracy and failing to register as an agent for china and the long list of celebrities who could be called as witnesses.

you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. let's go to the white house's karine jean-pierre. >> we condemn the russian government's continued targeting and repression of journalists. embassy moscow has engaged the russian ministry of foreign affairs on this matter and is seeking counselor access i want to strongly reiterate that americans should heed the

u.s. government's warning to not travel to russia u.s. citizens residing or traveling in russia should depart immediately as the state department continues to advise now, it's been three days since the tragic school shooting in nashville, and we've heard nothing from republicans in congress about what they will do to stop our kids from being murdered in our schools, and in our communities. in fact, we've now heard a number of republican members of congress that they don't intend to do anything at all. and in north carolina yesterday, the republican-controlled state legislature didn't skip a beat in overriding, governor cooper's veto on a dangerous bill that makes communities less safe. that's the opposite of commons, and it is outrageous as the president has said, we need congress to act now.

doing nothing when guns are the leading killer, the leading killer of our kids in america is absolutely unacceptable. we need to pass an assault weapons ban, mandate universal background checks, require safe storage of guns, hold manufacturer's accountable these are just common sense policies with broad public support, they owe answers to the american people about why they won't protect our kids they have answers to the nashville families that lost their three kids, the 9-year-old, they owe answers to the parents of uvalde, 19 kids, they owe answers to the people in buffalo who, like every other american on a saturday, went to the grocery store. they owe answers to them and their families, that community again, this is completely unacceptable we need to do everything that we

can to protect our communities and to protect our kids. as you all know, tomorrow the president and first lady will travel to rolling fork, mississippi. they will visit with first responder, state and local officials, and communities impacted by the recent devastating storms they will survey recovery efforts and reaffirm their commitment to supporting the people of mississippi as long as it takes as you know, president biden spoke with mississippi governor tate reeves, and members of the mississippi delegation over the weekend. the president also approved and expedited major disaster declaration for mississippi and ordered federal funding be made available to support emergency response efforts secretary mayorkas and fema administ administrator were on the ground over the weekend, and we'll have more details on the trip before tomorrow finally, we are heartbroken over the tragic loss of nine brave

service members. our hearts and our prayers go out to their families during this very difficult time as well as those who served alongside them at fort campbell. the men and women of the 101st airborne division represent the best, the best of our nation and play a critical role in our security we will always honor our commitments to our service members and their families, and we stand with all who are grieving in the wake of this terrible, truly terrible accident, and with that, colleen, you want to kick us off. >> sure. can you tell us anymore about the negotiation that got the "wall street journal" reporter out of russia? >> as you know, due to privacy concerns, we don't have much more to share at this time we want to be very mindful of this i know you guys have heard us

say this before. so, again, we just want to be really mindful there is a process in place that the state department is running. you just heard from my colleague who might be still speaking at this time at the state department, and so, again, we're just going to be very mindful. >> okay. on another topic, on the republican-led measure to end the covid emergency, the white house had initially signalled opposition to the measure propping house democrats to oppose it, and then once it went to the senate, the president said that he wouldn't oppose it. so i wondered, you know, why is the white house signaling opposition again, and coming around and changing minds. should there be improved communication particularly for house democrats, this is the second time now? >> i'm going to do a little bit of a lay down because nothing has changed here

we have been very consistent on this process, so, look, if the president was planning to veto this legislation, the staff would have said so that's how it works. that is incredibly consistent in that way and certainly members of congress know that they understand how that works, how that process works as well that being said, it was issued in january for two bills that would have lifted both the health emergency and also the national emergency immediately, which, as you know, we oppose, we are very public about that. the bill that just passed would only lift the national emergency, which doesn't impact title 42 or covid authorities for testing and treatments we are in a different place and time than we were in january so that is something you all know and have reported we have been winding down authorities over the last two weeks. i'm sorry, over the last two months, and the national emergency lifting a few weeks over the public health one will

not impact our efforts to do so in an orderly way, and that's what we have been very clear about when we talk about title 42, making sure we do that process in an orderly way. again, nothing has changed we were very clear with the sap we put out back in january, and so we have been very consistent with how we use it and how we move forward with it. >> do you think somehow the house democrats aren't getting the message, i guess is there better communication that needs to happen between the white house and the house? >> i'll say this, colleen. we have been in regular touch and tracking this with the house and also the senate leaders since we issued back in january. and that was, you know, we've always been very clear with them as i said, as early as january look, the president's not going to veto a bill if the president is going to veto a bill, we'll say it in the s.a.t., and that's how it works, and we have been very consistent

in the past two years. i'm going to go ahead to lucy, i want to let you know we are thinking about your colleague, and clearly he's in our thoughts, and i'm going to give you the second question. >> thank you can you tell us anything about the president's reaction to the detention, and has the president engaged on next steps or talked to the family at all >> i will tell you that, as i mentioned in my statement, the president has been briefed he learned about this during the presi president's national security with who normally provide the daily briefing i don't have anything else to share outside of that. >> obviously this is the first attention of a u.s. reporter -- do you think this marks a turning point for the relationship with russia >> we don't have any specific indication that journalists would be targeted. as we know, this is incredibly sadly common for russia to

detain americans and that's why we have been very clear about americans not going to russia. it is not safe for americans right now in russia. it is a level 4. my colleague at the state department spoke to this just moments ago. again, we're going to continue, the state department's going to continue to reiterate that it is not safe at this time to be in russia or to travel in russia >> thank you >> the "wall street journal" reporter being detained, would the administering call this a hostage situation? >> he's being detained there's no reason to believe the charges are accurate, the espionage are accurate i don't want to speak beyond that and certainly we will have more information when we get it there are privacy concerns we want to be very mindful how we speak about this. >> and john kirby mentioned this

is a new tactic in russia but this is the first time we have seen russia detain an american following the prisoner swaps, trevor reid and brittney griner, is there a concern here at the white house that if the u.s. continues to engage in prisoner swaps, russia will be emboldened to detain americans as lever raj. >> -- leverage >> it is a tactic russia has used for a long time it's not new paul whelan, trevor reid, they were taken in the prior administration as you all know, we're still working very hard.

using for some time now. >> does that complicate paul whelan's situation >> as you know, those conversations are incredibly sensitive. we're going to be very mindful we're still very much committed in bringing paul home. he was wrongfully detained we have been clear about that. we're not going to get into details on those conversations. >> and last one, is the administration reaching out to others for support for governor bill richardson who's been involved in other releases before is that something the administration is doing? >> i don't have any outside conversations to speak to, you heard directly from the state department when it comes to these types of events, that the state department runs and leaves, and our nsc, i will leave it to them to speak to them. >> is it the administration's view that this reporter is being wrongfully held or is that still

a determination? >> there's a process the state department runs, and we're going to let that process move forward. >> do you have any response to the article that was written by senator joe manchin where he particularly -- the conclusion that he made that the administration is improperly putting the inflation reduction act measures into place right now? >> let me just first say, we have a respectful, a productive relationship with senator joe manchin. and we are very proud of the inflation reduction act and our shared goals and values that the president signed into law, as you know this past summer. and a couple of things that we are proud of, promoting the energy security, creating good paying manufacturing jobs and investing in energy, communities and towns across america that have been left behind. you hear the president talk about building an economy from the bottom up, the middle out, and making sure no one is left behind this is what the inflation reduction act shows and proves

we're going to continue to work with senator manchin on the shared priorities and values, reducing the deficit, and the permitting reform, which is both part of the president's budget again, we are very proud of the work that we have been able to do with the senator, and i'll leave it there >> finally, do you have any reaction to the federal judge -- >> we're going to continue to listen to karine jean-pierre to see if she has any more news on the capture, the taking of "wall street journal" reporter, evan, who has been reporting out of russia for some time, including stories they could consider criminal of what happened internally, and in terms of the war in ukraine i want to bring in mike memoli, a lot of questions she didn't answer it's always a difficult situation when you are dealing with an american who is being held against their will because of the sensitivity of

conversations that are going on. we know that there are conversations that have begun. what else do we know >> that's right. you heard the press secretary just a moment ago talk about a bureaucratic process that'unrwan whether in the view of the united states, gershkovich was wrongly detained she was blunt in the opening calling the charges of espionage ridiculous in relation to why he's being detained at the moment it's really best, chris, to assess that the white house is still in an information gathering mode it's still rather early stages as they try to learn more about what is his position right now, and what russia may have in terms of any demands here or discussions with the u.s. for being able to potentially secure his release. it's unlikely, unfortunately, that they will be making any such claims. at this point we only know that white house officials have been in touch with the "wall street journal" directly. the state department has been in touch with both the "wall street

journal" and his family to try to learn more, and that is the u.s. embassy in moscow that is engaging with the russian ministry of foreign affairs. those conversations, though, i think if they were yielding more productive information, we would be hearing about it at this moment this is a frustrating situation for the administration, the relationship has been deteriorating by the day we heard from john kirby from the national security council. he was asked if there was a belief in the white house that he may have been targeted because he was a journalist, and kirby also said that they just don't have enough information to make that assessment. >> mike memoli, i know you'll continue to listen and let us know if any news is made there i think we have heard from karine jean-pierre, the extent of what she is able to say at this early moment following the detention of that journalist thank you for that. a big question a lot of people are asking right now, is it time for a national no fly list not talking about terrorists here

i'm talking about every day people who cause problems on planes agitated passengers arguing with flight attendants or overly intoxicated flyers acting belligerent, even violent during flights. the f.a.a. says last year there were nearly six times the number of unruly passenger incidents than there were in 2019. now, members of congress are reintroducing legislation to do something about it nbc's tom costello has more. >> their safety has to come fi first. >> on the steps of the capital, flight attendants came to plead for help and tell their stories of being attacked by passengers. southwest passenger, jennifer vitalo. >> i was hit in the head, knocked to the ground. >> reporter: cher taylor from frontier airlines, tried to stop an assault >> the racial slurs continues, i'm haunted by this incident. >> attacked on a flight from miami. >> he spat in my face, and

sucker punched me in the eye. >> reporter: 831 case of unruly passengers last year, two each day, compared to 126 cases in all of 2019. most recently a passenger tried to stab a flight attendant in the neck faa chief billy nolan, with lester. >> if you act up in flight we're going to come after you. >> reporter: airlines routinely ban disruptive passengers, new bipartisan legislation would create a national no fly list managed by the tsa a passenger banned on one airline would be banned on all. >> you commit violence in the skies, you will no longer fly. >> make sure those people can never come anywhere near any airport in this country ever aga again. >> reporter: while the white house flight attendants support a national do not fly list, some but not all airlines are on board. will congress pass the legislation? tom costello, nbc news.

let's turn to someone who knows all about unruly passengers in the air. sarah nelson, president of the association of flight attendants you have been pushing for a no fly list like this for quite a while now. tell us why. how big of an impact do you think a list like this could have >> as you saw from the numbers just now, we have a problem with violent acts that have not gone down certainly don't have as much compliance, most incidents didn't elevate to a level of violence or severe threat on board, and a disruption that will cause a risk to safety of everyone on board, and potentially cause us to have to divert a flight, which is going to cause problems throughout the system so if you're not behaving properly on a plane, if you were threatening and physically violent towards someone, and you have been found guilty of that, either through the dodge process or faa investigation, you need to go on a banned flier list

we can't have you going to another plane thinking you can do the same thing. >> they said on wednesday a new no fly list is not needed. they called the existing one a due process nightmare. what's your response to that >> well, today there is no due process. airlines actually ban passengers on the individual airlines there is no transparency in the process. one of the benefits is there would be a transparent process and a due process that makes sense. i think it's important that everyone who introduces this bill is showing that they're very interested in making sure that those civil liberties are protected, that there's a report out to congress every three years if there is any issues or any other ways that this is being treated, that is unequal for those who are participating and also a process to appeal and a process to get off the list, ultimately for good behavior so we're trying to cover all of

those angles what we need to do is make sure we keep the problems on the ground because little problems become big problems in the air, and it's not okay to be violent, to put everyone at risk and inconvenience everyone else who was traveling that day. >> sarah nelson, thank you so much for coming on the program we appreciate it thank you. we've got breaking news out of nashville because officials just now released 911 calls from inside the covenant school during monday's shooting let's listen >> have you counted the gunshots do you know how many it was? >> it sounds like somebody is shooting a gun >> you're still hearing shots? >> no, it sounds like they stopped at the moment. >> okay. okay >> i want to bring back nbc's lindsey reiser from nashville, i don't know if you've had a chance to hear this before it just hit our air. it sounds like you can hear a child crying in the background one of the things that has been notable about this is how forthcoming officials have been,

how much they have released, the body cam video, how much from the beginning we learned about everything that they knew what happened inside and now of course we're getting these 911 calls, lindsey. >> yeah, and i have listened to two calls that we've got from the police department, and it is so hard to listen to, chris. and, i mean, that is just one clip here, an adult woman who's calling 911 who's saying we hear gunshots, you know, is asked, are you on lockdown, she says, i think so she says they're hiding in an art room closet. at one point during that 911 call, you can hear that fire alarm going off. that is what we heard in the body cam video we heard and saw the flashing lights of that alarm that had been pulled. you can hear this woman telling the kids to be quiet, the dispatcher says try to be as quiet as you can the woman says be quiet to everybody. you can hear, chris, these kids crying now we're looking, you know, at

video of these kids running away you know, for safety in their school uniforms. you can hear my producer dan and i in that 911 call, you can hear one of the kids crying and saying, i want to go home. and you also hear this adult in this 911 call say i hear more shots. at one point she says sounds like the shots stopped i hear more shots. please hurry the dispatchers say we have a lot of help on the way, just be quiet, and disconnecting the call and a second 911 call, an adult male who said there's an active shooter situation in the school next to the church, trying to get somebody out there we have seen the horror from the body camera footage, and just with each layer, you know, now hearing the calls for help and the cries of these kids, just heartbreaking to hear, chris >> let me go back to what you were reporting on earlier

because i think it's relevant here and we only have a short time left. as you say, one thing after another after another that w punctuates the horror of what the kids have gone through, close to a thousand, maybe more than that people inside the state capitol today saying isn't it time to do something. >> yeah, maybe 15, 1,600 people showing up and one mom had, you know, a sign that said graduations, not funerals, another young person had a sign that said do i look old enough to have a gun. and so these people were demanding change today there were a lot of tears. they marched, first amassed where we're standing in front of the capital. they walked up the steps to confront lawmakers you're looking at video of that now on their way into work while the democratic caucus is planning, preparing for a new package for the legislative session, it's unclear where that will go, chris. >> lindsey reiser, thank you for all of your reporting today. you have been very busy.

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