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good to be with you. i'm katy tur do not travel to russia. that is the message today from the state department and the white house reiterating that it is not safe right now for americans in that country. the white house says it is still trying to establish consular contact with evan gershkovich. he was arrested overnight. the 31-year-old reporter for the "wall street journal" said he was not spying, denying guilt in a court proceeding this morning. gershkovich is the first american journalist arrested on claims of spying since the cold war. matt bodner who was recently based is here to explain who gershkovich says they caught him doing red handed, and a former member of the biden inner circle to walk us through what the white house is likely doing behind the scenes as this marks

what is considered a new low in the already ice cold relationship between moscow and washington joining me now from london for the reporting, nbc news reporter, matt bodner and mike memoli joins us as well. you lived and worked in russia for many many years, you know evan well. can you tell us a little bit about him? >> reporter: thanks, katy. i have known evan since 2017, when he first showed up in russia he went to work for "the moscow times," the newspaper that spawned or trains a lot of the people that you guys back at home might be reading and watching to learn more about russia so a lot of very strong alumni from the moscow times evan is one of them. i left a year or two before he showed up. he made a big splash as soon as he arrived i remember being very astonished at this new name at the moscow times who, you know, had this good set up, good story. his parents were russian

he spoke great fluent russian from speaking it at home the thing that stuck out to me was his enthusiasm and energy and the way that he applied that, kind of building kind of a very moscow russian life for himself. that was my impression always. he was playing local sports, had a lot of non-journalist local friends and seemed to really get the beat, and you would see that in his reporting, so some of the stuff that always kind of jumped out at me in his reporting was his civil society and opposition reporting, able to kind of integrate and, you know, get down into the trenches with russian opposition and russian civil society as they were facing a lot of, you know, increasing oppression from the russian government so those are his strengths, and i think this entire time, a very positive attitude from him a lot of energy, and just properly applied to do reporting that many times, you know, i would read things he wrote, and i would be like, this is as if a

russian independent journalist wrote it for an american paper i think that's a really powerful place to be if you're a moscow correspondent. i have nothing but praise for his work i have no shame in saying it, i think he's better than me. it's of course shocking to see what's happened to him, and we're going to have to keep a close eye on him. >> what does moscow claim he was doing? >> so, the charges that they are preparing, that they are investigating are nothing short of espionage, and this is -- i struggle to think of a serious charge you would face in russia. you talk about a judicial system, when you evaluate as a whole, all cases brought to co court, the conviction rate is above 99%. when you narrow that down to just espionage cases, i can't think of a single espionage case that i have heard about that did not get convicted. maybe there's one, but definitely the fsb, the russian federal security service gets its way when asked to prosecute on espionage charges

the thing that makes it harder to kind of gauge the situation is in russia, espionage cases are secret, so the trial will be behind closed doors. we won't even know the evidence that is brought against him and we're seeing statements from the russian government, like the russian foreign ministry and the kremlin, particularly the foreign ministry which accredits foreign journalists in russia, you would maybe hope would try to back him up or insert some kind of doubt that he might not actually be an american spy. they said that they've seen the evidence and he was caught red handed and that, you know, it's not the first time they actually doubled down and said it's not the first time that they have seen an american or western correspondent fully accredited as a journalist in the russian federation engage in espionage activities, so perhaps this kind of press is a wider assault on what little remains of foreign media in russia at this time, but we just don't

know but they're sticking to the espionage charges. this is a huge problem for evan. it's not a charge i think that he's going to be able to evade, and kind of the case in point here is paul whelan. it's exactly the same kind of circumstances. it's going to be the same case that paul whelan was subject to. he was sentenced in a russian prison, hoping for something to happen to get some hope. >> mike, the white house and the press briefing just now, karine jean-pierre called charges that russia is leveling against him ridiculous what is the white house doing right now to try to establish contact? what is the white house doing or talking about doing, revealing anything about negotiations they might be considering to get evan home >> well, katy, before the white house can talk about potential negotiations, they have to, as you put it, establish contact with the russian government and at the moment, we understand that that has not yet happened

we heard from karine jean-pierre that the white house senior officials have been in touch with officials from the "wall street journal" to try to gather information. the state department the same, as well as with evan's family, it's our embassy in moscow that has been attempting to obtain information from the foreign palestinian industry according to a state department spokesperson at their briefing in the last hour, they have not received any response from their counter parts there on the ground in moscow, and in fact, they said it's likely to be several days until they do get any form of response from moscow that's a really striking detail that speaks to what matt is referring to, the complicated nature of this, and the unfortunate reality that it may be some time until we hear more about it what the white house is also doing is in the strongest terms, one condemning the tension of gershkovich, saying it's ridiculous in the words of careen karine jean-pierre, but

secondly, sounding the alarm, and including the warning to americans who might be on the ground in russia that it is not safe for them, encouraging those who remain in russia to leave. this is alarming in terms of detaining american citizens who remain a target when relations between the u.s. and russia are at an all time low given the situation in ukraine. >> alarming for independent journalists, i know a lot of western journalism outlets have gotten out of russia in the past year or so after the invasion, after moscow changed the rules to what it considers illegal to s say there, and i think this is going to make things worse matt and mike, thank you very much joining me now host of inside with generjen psaki, thank you much for being here. can you bring us into the conversations right now? what's going on at the white house about evan gershkovich >> i think what mike memoli

outlined, in a case where an american citizen is detained is establish contact with the country. clearly there's still an embassy in moscow. that's the way they're pursuing that now if that does not work for any reason, what might happen is they may use other interlocketers, other countries or diplomats that might be useful in helping engage and helping get more information i think as the reporting has also noted, they're in touch with the "wall street journal," of course, and the editors of the "wall street journal," and the family those are the key kol components when you have a citizen detained expect they will confirm from the state department and the white house if and when, and hopefully that's soon. they made contact with russian officials about this my bet, katy, is that there won't be a lot of public updates after that what they have always found and when i was at state and the white house, the best way to get citizens out of countries where they are detained is to do it quietly. in this case, there's a lot of scenarios, though, because it's so early.

>> a lot of scenarios so early, but as matt was saying, he doesn't expect if it's a charge of spying that it's a conviction he'll be able to avoid almost all of them do get convicted and russia has doubled down, as he said, so if he does get convicted and once contact is established, are there going to be conversations at the white house about who they might be able to trade for him? i know we did this with brittney griner, we have not been able to do it with paul whelan. >> right >> is this going to be more like a brittney griner case or more like a paul whelan case. >> these charges, as the reporter just noted are more significant, they're more paul whelan category than they are brittney griner, as much as she also spends months detained, and as you noted at the top of your show, katy, a journalist hasn't been charged with espionage since 1986 in russia, and obviously the russia is at the height of tension right now in quite some time. so, you know, there are -- it's

hard to know what their motivation is at this point in time, russians maybe they want all of the russian authorities, i should say. maybe they should want western journalists out of russia, they don't want them to be reporting on what they're up to in the illegal invasion of ukraine. it may be they want to call for a trade for somebody detained in the united states. it's too early to know, but those are sort of some of the motivations and, you know, some of the pathways here. >> does this not mark the coldest point yet in recent history between washington and moscow to have an american journalist now accused of spying where do we go from here we're already in quite a bad place. >> well, you're right. i think it's so important to remember that paul whelan has been detained while brittney griner was released. he has been detained there it has been at a difficult and tense moment for some time, including because of putin's brutal invasion of ukraine, a

sovereign country. and because of their engagement in the 2016 election and a range of laundry list of reasons. this is clearly a hugely troubling, scarey, dangerous crackdown on the freedom of speech and the freedom of journalists who operate in russia as has been noted you know, journalists have been getting credentials by the ministry of foreign affairs for some time, as it's been a dangerous environment. this is kind of a next level of, you know, danger, i would say, for media trying to operate in a place where there is a lot of reporting that's warranted. >> jen psaki, thank you very much. >> thank you. and nine soldiers are dead after two black hawk helicopters crashed into each other during a training exercise at fort campbell in kentucky the pentagon says the helicopters were involved in a night training mission last night when they collided joining me from fort campbell is nbc news correspondent jay gray, good to see you, but not on this story, of course

tell us, jay, what the latest is >> reporter: unfortunately the investigation is just starting here after nine service members were killed in an overnight training accident involving two hh 60 med evac choppers, flying in formation, and were actually in flight when the problems started to develop they weren't doing an extraction drill, they were in flight some witnesses in the rural area where this happened about 30 miles from where we are in fort campbell said the choppers seemed unusually low to them at the time the investigators are focusing on finding the black box data recorders. both of the choppers had the data recorders they think that's going to provide significant information. the pentagon in a briefing just within the hour was pressed a bit on the idea that this is the

second in the last few weeks a black hawk crashes that have led to deaths. we know that the tennessee national guard lost two guard members as they were training in alabama. here's their response to that question >> right now, the army is going through the process of next of kin notification, so it would be inappropriate at this point to release additional information certainly more will be provided as it becomes available. in terms of any type of standdown for aircraft, none that i'm tracking at this point. of course that certainly, you know is the prerogative of the army and as it manages its aircraft, but again, i would refer you to them for the current status >> reporter: yeah, and what the army is saying right now is they are focused on finding out about this crash, and what happened and why these two choppers went down, and they'll look at the bigger picture once they get the data and information on what happened here. >> jay gray, thank you very much we also have breaking news

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law violation here, the parent company of the "national enquirer," which bought karen mcdougal's story at the behest of michael cohen, and as federal prosecutors have alleged, donald trump's directive, then therefore this particular company has already admitted they did it for the purpose of influencing the 2016 presidential election. >> this is the "wall street journal" reporting right now, nbc news is working on it obviously but we have not confirmed it we'll see what happens there we have to make it clear this is what the "wall street journal" said, but andrew weissmann, talk to me about what vaughn just laid out if you're looking at david pecker and the story of karen mcdougal, by outward appearance, it does seem like it would fall into this purview. >> absolutely, it's worth noting as vaughn said, this isn't actually new information, if you've been following this case closely. but it is extremely important information to rebut what mr.

costello, which is the trump witness who went into the grand jury at the behest of the trump team apparently said to the jurors where he said this was really just michael cohen's idea and scheme and donald trump had nothing to do with it. the reason, as vaughn laid out, this is important is for two reasons. one, because you have david pecker saying that donald trump was in on the scheme to do a catch and kill and that there were direct conversations with david pecker, michael cohen, and the former president. so that's one incredibly important piece of evidence, and the other is that the defense that donald trump may have, which is i did this because i was concerned about melania, my wife finding out that the so called john edwards defense, i wasn't doing this related to the campaign is also something that

is directly refuted by david pecker, assuming he's going to repeat what he said to the southern district of new york, and it is laid out directly. so those two things are really important pieces that the manhattan district attorney could be not just pursuing but really have in pocket to present a strong case to the grand jury and then of course ultimately if there's an indictment, to a trial jury. >> that's what's going on with the manhattan d.a., this is the "wall street journal" reporting. as we have been talking about, this could strengthen a case if they're actually pursuing it let's talk about jack smith and the special counsel investigation. getting drips and drabs of news out of that. donald trump is appealing the order from a federal judge to force a lot of his senior aides and staffers to testify about the lead up and the day of january 6th. >> right, this is the key information. let's look at mark meadows, specifically it was cassidy hutchinson who, of course, you'll recall, was

the aide to mark meadows who laid out a testimony that was damming of what mark meadows do, and what mark meadows told her, which is key, suggesting that mark meadows had further conversation mark meadows burned paper documents in the white house, in his office mark meadows flew down to d georgia to meet with the secretary of state's office. mark meadows was on the phone call to brad raffensperger mark meadows was at the white house with donald trump on january 6th. mark meadows had conversations with rudy giuliani mark meadows is key. if he were to go forward before that grand jury and provide his testimony, it's not a he said she said, but it is a -- the man who had the direct conversations with the president of the united states where it all took place. >> andrew, what are the legal steps going forward, a federal judge seemed to overrule executive privilege, said it doesn't apply to this testimony. donald trump is appealing it where does it go next? >> so there will be these

appeals. they should be handled very quickly. this is not actually an open legal issue. the claim of executive privilege is going to lose this is not really anything that's really debatable. the real issue is as vaughn laid out, mark meadows if he goes to the grand jury, if he has a competent defense lawyer, and i think he does, is going to assert the fifth amendment, meaning that he doesn't actually testify at all, he has a valid fifth amendment, it's a very low standard for when you concert it and as vaughn laid ourt, there are numerous reasons he would have to answer the questions based on the constitutional privilege we all enjoy at that point it will be up to jack smith to either make a criminal case on him and to put pressure on him to cooperate or mark meadows could be immunized, meaning that it takes away his fifth amendment because he's

required to testify in exchange for getting that immunity. so there's a lot that remains, but i would not think that anybody should think that mark meadows is going to go into the grand jury without immunity and testify given just what the criminal exposure is for him. >> andrew weissmann, thank you for that legal analyst vaughn, thank you for your reporting and context on those two stories. ahead, bad for business, what fox news's ceo said about certain fact checking. and nashville police release the 911 calls from the school shooting on monday what the community out there is now saying about guns. reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today.

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the 911 calls from the shooting at the covenant school on monday we're going to play a small portion of them for you. and we want to warn you that they are hard to hear. >> have you counted the gunshots do you know how many >> sounds like somebody's shooting guns. >> you're still hearing shots? >> no, it sounds like they stopped at the moment. >> okay. okay >> killed by a shooter with multiple assault-style guns. three 9-year-olds, and three adults today thousands of protesters, many of them parents with their kids came to the tennessee capitol today calling for

lawmakers to do something on gun reform how can we be the future if we are dying some of the signs the kids were holding read joining me in nashville is msnbc anchor, lindsey reiser, and nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles joins us from capitol hill you have been talking to folks out there. yesterday i wondered, and it's a red district they've got a republican congressman. i wondered if any of them were rethinking guns and rethinking how they might vote in the next election cycle based on this incident >> i mean, katy, we know that the legislature has paused discussion and debate of gun right expansion bills that are currently going through the state legislature. it doesn't look like there's going to be much movement at the state level. the democratic caucus is putting together a practice that would include a ban on assault rifles.

it's unclear given the political divide where that will go here, but the people who showed up today were incensed before the release of those 911 calls so hard to hear. you hear children crying you hear an adult woman saying that they're hiding in an art classroom closet you hear her telling the kids to be quiet you hear one of the kids saying i want to go home. we knew the horrors and tragedy all of of this, the six lives lost we have seen from the body cam footage, the horrors that happened that day inside covenant school, and that's what drive 15, 1,600 people out here today to confront their lawmakers, demand they take action, and i was talking to a mother whose 14-year-old son actually wanted her to come, wanted them to go together this morning, and i started talking to her, as that crowd was marching from this space up the steps to the capital thi -- capitol. this is what she told me what is your goal to be here with your family today >> to let everybody know, we're

not okay with this this is not how we grew up this is really sad that our kids are having to live this reality, and they're just -- they don't deserve this. >> reporter: and i also, katy, talked to a teacher at the vigil last night where the first lady of the united states was paying to respect to the victims. the teacher looked through the body cam video of a student. that teacher was calm, that's how i need to be to protect my students. >> one of the thoughts that crossed my mind this morning as i was dropping my kid off from school, how hard it must be going forward once everything cools down to get those kids back in school and what it must feel like for a parent and also for a child when your kid says i'm scared, i don't want to go back in after they have seen and experienced this we have so many kids around the country who have seen and experienced this sort of violence i can't shake that image it's been with me all day.

ryan, i want to ask you about what's happening in the halls of congress on the federal level. there's been some tense exchanges over the past couple of days. i want to play one first from jamal bowen. who is a congressman out of new york city. >> they're cowards, they're all cowards, they won't do anything to save the lives of our children at all. carry guns more guns lead to more deaths. >> that's jamal bowman, and thomas massey arguing in the halls of congress. what's it like there today >> reporter: there's still a lot of frustration, and not a lot of answers. the house republicans and senate republicans for that matter, when you ask them about any progress that could necessarily be made as it relates to gun

control, they punt house speaker kevin mccarthy today pressed on it numerous times. he said he doesn't think there's a legislative solution to this we need to have an awakening, he described it, in the country, almost in many ways abdicating the responsibility of the legislative body democrats aren't backing down, and bowman, who had obviously a ton of emotion related to this issue yesterday had not really calmed down that much today. listen to him talking to reporters this afternoon. >> everybody is too damn comfortable. everybody is comfortable in their suits with their, you know, corporate money, backed by lobbyists, they're too comfortable and kids are dying, and they don't care, because it's not their kids. it's my kids, my stundents, in y community. >> congressman bowman was a former principal, and so he feels school violence on a pretty visceral level, and has been one of the most outspoken

critics of the fact that there hasn't been a ton of progress, but, you know, we have this conversation a lot, and it really comes back to electoral politics and the simple fact of the matter is time and time again, republicans thatch have o made any effort to strengthen gun control laws or deal with the rampant access with guns across the country go back to their districts and continue to get reelected. that's the simple fact of the matter in some cases when republicans have stood up for this legislation, they have been run out by their own party, the best example being congressman chris jacobs from buffalo who after that horrific shooting there backed a background check bill, backed an expansive bill that democrats passed through the house, and within days was pushed out by his party for the ability to run for reelection. so they're going to continue to be reelected and as a result, unless something dramatically changes, nothing up here is going to change. >> senator cornyn was censured by the texas gop after the legislation passed last year ryan and lindsey, thank you, and

joining me is former chief communications adviser for former house speaker paul ryan, and msnbc political analyst, brendan buck thanks for being here. i don't know what to ask you because it sounds like we have the answers, voters vote him back in, but if kids that have die before some republican lawmakers say, you know what, i think we all should be on board with this? we all should be on board with this and if we're not going to get reelected, fine, but the country should be on board with this is there a number? is it a thousand kids at a school is it a hundred kids at a school what is the magic number >> you know, we've seen there have been moments republicans have been motivated to do something. we saw that after uvalde there was immediate and severe political blowback that hangs over this entire conversation. there was a terrible tragedy that led to the loss of three young children and i would be very surprised if it was even discussed in the house republican congress meeting this

week that is just the attitude that exists in the conference, you know, i think it explains a lot of how republicans act they live constantly in fear of a primary. and no one has lost a republican primary by being too far to the right on guns. they just don't talk about it. >> what the entire party locked hands, every republican member of congress locked hands together because there's got to be a lot of republicans who won't be primaried because of a vote like this if they stand together and say i'm going to fight against this plague that's killing our children, it's the leading cause of overturning the second amendment. i'm talking about an assault weapons ban, a step toward dangd together >> yeah, you know, i just don't think that's a practical thing that's ever going to happen. the republican party is so -- >> so depressing to hear,

brendan. that's so depressing to hear when kid are dying. >> i don't disagree at all and the problem is that most of the country is moving further and further along on this, and we have a party that is completely stuck, and it just looks like a party that's smaller and smaller and one of the reasons why we have had such bad showings because we are so obsessed with that primary we are so in fear of losing a primary that we're out of touch. and so cold in the face of such tragedies. >> because it's not saying that they're bad people, people who don't want to vote for this. don't want to do anything about it they're not bad people you wonder about what jamal bowman said, maybe they don't understand because it hasn't hit them personally, hasn't affected them personally yet, and god forbid it ever does, but it does make you ask that question. >> and there is an ethos in the house republican conference that more guns is the solution, and i

don't know how much that is -- people believe that or they have convinced themselves that that's a good talking point, there's really no interest in anything that would -- look, there's always somebody up next in your district who's willing to challenge you, and they all live in fear of that, and that's just the reality we have. >> brendan, thank you so much for coming on and talking to us about this, and helping us understand what's probably going on over there, we do appreciate it >> thanks. coming up next, what was fox news trying to hide in those redacted e-mails in the dominion lawsuit? introducing astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid-free spray.

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a judge in delaware has unredacted a lot of the court filings in the dominion suit against fox news joining me now is nbc news senior political reporter jane timm, and "new york times" reporter, and fox news ceo, suzanne scott said fact checks about the election claims are quote, bad for business. we'll put it up. this is full screen number two this has to stop now, the audience is furious, and we are just feeding them material rupert murdoch said donald trump's claims about the election are pretty much a climb. this is a lot, jane. what does it do for dominion's case >> fox tried hard to keep this under seal, arguing it should be redacted fox news sat there calling out other hosts, not fact checking

itself, but calling out other hosts in a fact check of important claims you know what, this evidence really, it goes exactly to the heart of this case, which is of course why they probably wanted to keep it secret. >> why was fox able to redact this stuff usually redactions are for personal information or proprietary information, right, and this doesn't seem personal or proprietary. >> lawyers saying they need to be redacted, they wanted to bring it up in open court, and the judge said, you know what, after a long argument behind closed doors, the judge put this in public. it's important, it's about the heart of the case, and shouldn't have been redacted. >> jeremy, talk about the pr this is for fox news well, i mean, this always was going to be a very challenging case this is the strongest case against a major media organization we have seen in decades. to your question about what the

point, what the relevance of suzanne scott saying, you know, this is bad for business, that is essentially the core of dominion's argument. and these e-mails help prove that in spades, which is that fox news may cold calculated business decisions, as ratings were falling after it declared biden the victory of the presidency, and it needed to please the audience, because the audience didn't want to hear the truth that donald trump had been defeated you see time and time again between e-mails and exchanges between hosts and producers, they knew their audience didn't want to hear the inconvenient truth. the alternative fox came up with, which was to endorse this lie that the election had been stolen through the use of dominion machines is very likely defamatory and a jury is going to have to decide that, and the evidence is really not on fox's si side. >> this seems like it's going to

trial. getting any word about might be fox trying to settle this behind the scenes every time more information comes out, i'm surprised that fox hasn't tried to just make this go away with a pile of money? >> they never have, and they have known about this lawsuit, you know, since 2021, katy rupert murdoch has settled many many cases for far less money that were far less damaging to the brand that his business is, but fox has been told, i'm told, by its counsel that this is winnable i think often they have badly misjudged just how winnable this is we know, for example, that they were -- replaced their old legal team with their new legal team after a series of setbacks with this judge they did not expect the judge to be this hostile, hostile is probably the wrong word. he has been applying the law in

a way to fox's disadvantage. you heard in hearing a couple of days ago that he was putting fox on notice. he told them, look, you guys have been objecting to everything you have been stymieing this process, and i'm not going to tolerate this now. and i'm not going to tolerate it at trial so i think if i were fox going into this, i would be quite nervous. >> tucker arlson, there are a lot more text messages from him, some including some derogatory things, word used about a woman, sidney powell, misogynistic terms, i should say. also, discussions about the concern about having mike lindell on explain that >> so the reason that's important, katy, is it shows that fox acted with a degree of recklessness on january 26th, which is the day that they hosted mike lindell, and let's not forget this is a few weeks after january 6th, this is several weeks after the election

results, and several weeks after tucker carlson has been documented saying he doesn't like these election fraud claims, they make him uncomfortable. he doesn't believe them. his producers agree to host one of the most prominent election deniers in the trump orbit, mike lindell, which people will know better as the my pillow guy. w well, we now know thanks to the unredacted exhibits, fox producers on tucker carlson's show were saying, and this is a quote, wtf, is he going to stay on our air, they also called him a conspiracy theorists now, i know you and your producers well, we have been doing the show a long time together, i can pretty much guarantee that your producers would not say that about any of your guests, and that shows that they had serious doubts. that is the legal reason that dominion needs to say that this

was defamatory. >> not without preparing serious pushback to that guest it would be a high bar to have that guest on: but not without serious pushback jeremy peters, thank you very much. and coming up next, let's have some fun, shall we? opening day is finally here. look fast because baseball might look a little dierffent this year what three major rule changes are going to do to america's pastime. black forest ham and genoa salami. you can't stop that much meat. you can only hope to contain it - in freshly baked bread. try subway's tastiest menu upgrade yet. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're

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