good morning it is 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific i'm jose diaz, back with you for another hour on msnbc. the manhattan district attorney's office confirmed a grand jury voted to indict donald trump yesterday

the indictment is sealed, but just last hour nbc confirmed from two sources familiar with the matter that they are about 30 counts of document-related fraud charges in that indictment trump's attorney says he's expected to be arraigned on tuesday, and one of trump's lawyers told nbc's "today show" earlier today that trump will voluntarily surrender to authority. >> he's not going to hole up in mar-a-lago he'll face this, and we'll face it, and we'll be successful i'm sure president trump will not take a plea deal in this case it's not going to happen there's no crime >> with us now to talk more about all of this, nbc news correspondent garrett haake, our chief investigative reporter for wnbc and our nbc news chief justice contributor, and maya wiley, a former u.s. attorney and now president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights

jonathan, you actually broke the news for us about 30 counts in this trump indictment. what do you know >> well, we know it relates to document fraud we know it relates to the stormy daniels hush money payment we know that the indictment remains sealed, and will likely remain sealed until tuesday when donald trump appears in court. there's a slight possibility that d.a. bragg's office could, given the public interest in this case, approach the judge and ask him to unseal it earlier but we are hearing no such request is going to be made today, and most likely will not happen until donald trump appears in court on tuesday which is customary all this as the police department, secret service, and others are doing security assessments in and around the courthouse on how best to get him in and out of that building safely for when he has that court appearance tuesday afternoon. that's about 2:15 inside 100 center street.

that is the planned schedule now. he will have to surrender in the morning to be fingerprinted and photographed, and the secret service, the police, the court officers are all working together now to figure out a best plan on how does he gt into new new york, into and out of the that building and what's the best way to do that >> this is unprecedented, and this is someone that travels with secret service. >> that's right, and the question now is also when and where is he going to come to new york there's some talk he may come monday night and stay at trump tower because he has to be -- report to court early in the morning for the processing before his afternoon hearing so it's possible he arrives in new york monday night for the tuesday hearing. it's also possible if he doesn't have to surrender until perhaps later tuesday morning, that he flies up tuesday morning those details still being worked

out, we're told. this as they're working out a security perimeter around the courthouse in preparation for possible protesters, and to shut down some streets so that the caravan or escort to get the president -- former president in and out of that building goes smoothly and safely. we're told once inside the court building, it's a securability with court officers that will be handled much like any other arraignment, open courtroom, open to the press, and he will appear under new york law and under these charges that we believe there's no bail. so because it's a nonviolent felony-related count, he'll be released without bail is the expectation. >> and garrett, how can we expect donald trump to go about fighting these charges in the court of public opinion? >> well, jose, it's interesting because how he's fighting them publicly and how he's fighting them legally are not necessarily the same

one of donald trump's attorneys here in new york, joe tacopina has been making the rounds on television making the legal arguments which are essentially these. they admit to the requested that these payments were made by the former president, but argue that they were just a nuisance payment, that he was essentially being extorted, and that there was nothing illegal about the hush money payment in and of itself, and that even the business record part of this were just internal documents and it's a note-taking error that shouldn't be a crime here's how joe tacopina made the legal argument for the former president on "the today show" this morning >> they were not filed look there was no tax deduction taken here which initially was the theory of this case when they put it in the grand jury two years ago. no tax deduction taken, and there was no obligation to file this with the sec. if there were, could you imagine if donald trump paid for this settlement agreement with campaign funds alleging it was something to do to enhance or help the campaign? >> that's the legal argument

being made in the court of opinion. the political argument is quite different. we've seen the former president on social media today and really over the past several weeks attacking the prosecutor in this case, arguing that the case is political persecution. today he took aim at the judge who will be presiding over this case suggesting he has political motivations as well, and the former president has cloaked himself in the institutional republican party he has essentially every major figure in the republican party, perhaps save mitch mcconnell defending him publicly kevin mccarthy, the speaker has done so. his presidential campaign rivals, ron desantis and mike pence, his former vice president have done so so publicly he's got the entire party backing him up while his lawyers try to spin one argument and he tries to make another more broad, political argument that he hopes will power him through at least the primary phase of this campaign >> maya, you know, just last hour, former prosecutor charles coleman said trump voters may

try to switch the venue and get out of the five new york city bor boroughs are you expecting something like that >> well, i wouldn't be surprised by it, and certainly it's a way to make a public argument which has been part of their strategy to suggest that this is politicized and also to suggest somehow that donald trump can't get a fair trial so it's possible i think it is unlikely i mean, remember that you have to really show a kind of prejudice. he can't actually defeat it anywhere he is a former president of the united states. this is historic this is going to be something that was in news cycle and has been in news cycle all over the country. so there's this really tough argument to suggest he can get, that there's a particularly tainted trial or jury in new york as opposed to anywhere else i mean, the reality is that he faced, essentially in these -- in what happened in this indictment, 23 people who were a jury of his peers in the sense

that they were ordinary new yorkers, not political actors, who came and heard evidence. by the way, donald trump is a new yorker himself, and there is -- and the actions took place here in terms of the trump organization and the business record so it's a tough one. >> you know -- yeah, and maya, in order to charge a felony, alvin bragg has to show that trump did this to conceal another crime. how does that leagally work >> it's what we call a novel argument, meaning it hasn't been something we've seen before, but he certainly has a legal path to it which is to say, okay if you falsify your business records, that is a misdemeanor in new york, but if we can show that you did that in order to cover up another crime, a crime that itself would be a felony, then that's the felony charge. so you've got to link the two together as related acts, essentially, to say, you did the

misd misdemeanor to cover up a felony >> what is one of the biggest worries for law enforcement this morning, whether it be in new york city or palm beach? >> yeah. i think the first thing about it, jose, is this is the first step that probably many legal steps and legal motions, and so while we're focused today on what might happen next tuesday, in terms of this arraignment, this process will go on for a very long time leading up to the trial, so looking at the overall safety, i think the question that immediately comes into everyone's head and when you see a former president call for protest and we see what happens on january 6th, are we going to see something like that again? >> i think it's a little too early to tell. >> i don't expect on tuesday we're going to see something like a january 6th kind of event. one, it's just too soon. two, you got new york city police department which is, you know, the best police department probably in the world. it's going to be able to provide security

next, it's the foreign president's supporters would they show up in new york city how would they get there different than a pre-planned event of january 6th it was two months in the works it didn't just happen overnight. we've learned from those sedition trial that is there was a lot of organization behind the scenes i think the third part that we got think about is we started off here this may be just one of many trials that are coming up. so when you look at targets, when you look at calls, i'm not seeing the same calls per mobilization that we saw around the january 6th-type event yes, there are some shouting for protest, but i think this is a little bit too soon, and i'm more curious how much support will thebe for those social med calls when he's not on all social media platform, just on his own. i think it's different two years later. >> garrett, what do we know about the nypd security efforts today? >> well, they have been stepping things up, jose. they have been in something of a heightened posture for the last

couple of weeks, but we know that officers wiere told today i full uniform, prepared to be deployed around the city for potential protest. we haven't heard much on that front. marjorie taylor greene, one of the former president's top allies in congress tweeted she'll be here on tuesday for protest. the former president was predicting his own arrest, and we saw a protest that only drew about 20 people. today i with tell you the only person here not part of the global media covering this is a woman dressed in a cat suit waving fake money around so a bit of a scircus, but not much of a threatening one. >> and clint, just on the issue of, you know, so many unprecedented things we're seeing, one of the unpress dende -- unprecedented things is this involves someone being protected by the secret service. what role will the secret service play next week when he's

expected to be arraigned >> well, i think that's one thing that is a good and positive thing, is the secret service's involvement process. they'll be able to synchronize with local law enforcement with all federal elements at the same time so in some ways, the secret service, they have the ability to do that outreach. they've already done it before remember the former president has homes in new york and florida. those are the local and state law enforcement that the secret service have been working with for many years now so i think in some ways just looking at the security situation and making sure this is a smooth process on tuesday, it doesn't cause harm to anybody or to the communities. i think it's probably a positive thing that the secret service is involved they can really be a conduit to make sure things run smoothly. >> and so jonathan, what are you looking at going forward now. >> i think we're going to watch the increased security presence here in new york i think we're going to look for the time frame as to when the president is going to arrive here in new york

will it be monday? will it be tuesday what airport of course, the news choppers will be following his every move from his arrival to the courthouse so i would expect just a growing crescendo as tuesday approaches, and on the security front, obviously while the protests are not big, we've seen lots of threats called into the d.a.'s office, for example. there's always a concern about a lone actor that would be a concern for both the nypd, court officers, the fbi's joint task force, the secret service who has to protect the president, so there are numerous steps being taken here in new york city right now, seen and unseen, that is only going to grow as tuesday approaches >> garrett haake, jonathan deep, clint watts, and maya wiley, thank you very much. still ahead, fellow republicans are rushing to donald trump's defense what lawmakers are saying about the indictment on capitol hill

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16 past the hour this morning, the historic indictment of former president donald trump is sending shock waves through capitol hill some republicans are fighting back and congress to trump's

defense, plblasting the indictmn as a political witch hunt while democrats enforce their message that no one is above the law joining us now with more is ally vi vitali what are you hearing >> when we heard the news, i was with house republicans in florida at their annual retreat. we saw the fault lines really start forming then now what we're seeing in the official aftermath of this indictment is exactly those same fault lines again. most republicans, both in the house, the senate, and the would-be campaign trail are areaarea rallying to trump's fence, while democrats are reinforcing the idea that law and order must be upheld look no further than josh hawley and adam schiff for their partisan responses, republican versus democrat. watch. >> this is a demonstration of raw power. i think the democrats know this has nothing to do with the law they're sending a message, and

the message is they will use any power that they have to interfere in the next presidential election. >> it is also, i think, a vindication of the rule of law and a principle that people should be held accountable whether they're rich and powerful, whether they're presidents or former presidents, or whether they're ordinary citizens >> and look, jose, we are seeing a little buit of a difference i terms of the subtlety of the house and senate side. there are voices we haven't heard, including mitch mcconnell. we know over the course of the last few years, he and trump do not have a close relationship at all. mcconnell, of course, has been recovering from a fall over the last few weeks, but we anticipate at some point that we'll hear from him, and then on the house side we're seeing much more of an aggressive response in terms of key committees from the judiciary committee to the oversight committee, still trying to bring the d.a. in manhattan alvin bragg before them think of it as a

counterprogramming effort of house republicans who have been repeatedly in line with donald trump on this, and they have the backing of kevin mccarthy. >> thank you so very much, and for more on this, i want to bring in florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz always a pleasure to see you thank you for your time. what's your reaction to this indictment >> i think it's really important, jose, and thank you for having me. so keep the volume turned down on this. i'm a member of the legislative branch at the end of the day, we pass the law. we don't -- don't pursue political opponents. we don't go through the legal system, and keeping the volume turned down and making sure that everybody accused has their day in court, supporting the idea that no one is above the law, which is the case here, waiting for this indictment to come out, and before we pass judgment on what we think of the case,

that's all really important because in america, you know, there are investigations of potential criminal conduct, and prosecutors get to decide which grand jury, whether to file a case and that's what happened here, and we should allow it to play out >> you know, you tweeted something, and i want to, you know, kind of highlight that you tweeted, americans must trust the judicial process, and avoid partisan rancor or interfeeing in the peaceful administration of justice. what did you mean by that? >> what i meant by that is this is not a time when someone, even donald trump, maybe especially donald trump is facing an accusation of a criminal indictment this is not the time to wind ourselves up and say, see? see? i told you it's a time where you've got a defendant who is facing a criminal accusation. he's going to have his days in court. he's facing far more serious

criminal accusations potentially coming down the pipe where he tried to -- there's evidence he tried to overturn an election and threaten and intimidate georgia elected officials into, you know, bending to his will. he is accused of stealin classified documents and may be indicted on that case. so it's a time not to, as my republican colleagues seem to be doing, not to try to intimidate prosecutors and bully them into submission by trying to haul them in front of congressional panels and interrogate them. it's a time to honor our separation of power in a system of checks and balances let the judicial and legal process play out, and the defendant has a right to his day in court, and the prosecution has gone through the normal constitutional, legal process, and we should just make sure that we don't interfere with that >> you know, back to the tweet, you know, folks should avoid interfering in the peaceful

administration of justice. the governor of florida, your home state, and mine, says he will not cooperate with a trump extradition calling the indictment un-american what's your reaction to that >> i mean, ron desantis basically has to put himself into a pretzel here because it's very clear he's going to run against donald trump, and he's stuck between, you know, having the difficulty of his likely opponent in a presidential campaign, having a very strong debate that he has to obviously win over when he's the candidate, and at the same time, he's playing to that base by using the -- threatening to not use the normal -- the normal administration of justice process, and, you know, more importantly, he's going to the extreme to play to that base in florida where he's giving away millions of tax dollars to allow

the wealthiest floridians to be able to get their educations paid for in private schools. his response to nashville and parkland this week is to sign a bill into law when it hits his desk later to allow permitless gun carry, a mass proliferation of guns for the first time all across our state, and the list de goes on. he's stuck between a rock and a hard place and he's not handling it very well another example of why he shouldn't be president, ever. >> debbie wasserman schultz, thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you up next, we'll go live to mar-a-lago for the latest on what people there are saying plus, trump says he won't get a fair trial we'll talk to a lawyerbo aut how to prosecute a former president of the united states you're watching jose diaz-baa l diaz-baalart reports ones in nbc.

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grand jury was still weeks away, and might not occur at all joining us now from west palm beach, florida is nbc's sam brock. sam, good morning. what more can you tell us about the reaction there >> reporter: jose, good morning. if trump and his legal team were caught off guard, it appears that his protesters might have been as well, and look i don't think anyone would be lying to you if they said exactly what the protest landscape would look like after history, and perhaps this changes next tuesday, but right now, jose, it is light, and when i say light. i mean, right now on the bridge that connects west palm beach with mar-a-lago on the palm beach side, there are maybe seven or eight protesters out there. last night it was more in the range of about two dozen maybe a little bit more than that you can see the police presence in various stages along the bridge, really to act as a deterrent, and there's the video from last night. again, 20 or so, 30 people with flags. when i was driving around the morning, jose, at 6:30, 7:00 in

the morning, you couldn't find anyone not protesters, not police nobody was outside when i talked to those protesters, there was a common thread they felt the justice system was being deployed for political purposes, but there was a gentleman who seemed t understand the nuances of the case involving stormy daniels, and certainly the legal tight rope that is at play here. here's what he told me >> i thought it wouldn't happen because the case is so weak. it's the statute of limitations, misdemeanor. >> i'm wondering if -- >> trying to do a felony with the federal law, and they don't have jurisdiction in the federal law in the state it's all they're doing >> reporter: right so he raises the question there of jurisdiction, jose. he told me there were no weapons, quote, unquote, used during january 6th and he didn't see the need for a criminal investigation. clearly there's a wide range of

viewpoints that are being expressed here i talked to palm beach police todarevealing what their security plan is going to be, but they're going to be monitoring any possible demonstration and would provide resources as they require it >> thank you, sam brock in california thank you so much. we bring in paul butler who is now a professor paul, great seeing you i want to get your thoughts on what we're witnessing right now. >> so this is history in the making, jose i've prosecuted government officials for corruption, and they were rarely arrested, and i don't think that trump is going to be arrested either based on what his lawyer said he's going to surrender, mugshot, and fingerprint it'll be interesting to see whether trump is handcuffed. new york people who are charged with felonies traditionally get

handcuffed, but new yorkers never had a defendant with a full-time secret service detail. so authorities may not deem that as necessary for trump so throughout this trial, throughout this whole period there's going to be this interesting tension between treating trump like an ordinary criminal defendant, but understanding in some ways he's everything but that. >> yeah, and i'm just thinking, even on the handcuffs issue, i mean, what is standard procedure, and can standard procedure be included in this case, but the handcuffs are for what purpose >> that's a great question, jose the handcuffs, i think the idea is to make sure that the accused person isn't a danger to other people in the courtroom or that he won't try to escape

now the former president will be accompanied by a secret service detail, so there aren't the same kinds of concerns about escape in this context. >> yeah, and donald trump is not one to stay silent he's made numerous statements and posts on his social media sites since the indictment was headed up. how could these statements or could any of these statements complicate his case legally? >> they could complicate it legally in a couple of ways. one, every time trump opens his mouth and talks about one of these pending criminal cases, he tends to incriminate himself so almost certainly his defense attorneys are telling him to shut up. he probably isn't listening to that the other complication, though, is that trump is making extreme statements he's called for violence

he's made racist statements about the manhattan district attorney including calling him an animal. the prosecution might request, or the judge might want his own -- still kind of gag order that is some kind of restriction on what trump can say about this process. those are extremely controversial. judges don't like to do it, but by giving the potential, not only for concerns about the fairness of the trial, but given the real potential for violence, the judge might think that some restrictions on trump's speech might be necessary in this case. >> and paul, the president -- the former president i should say, says he will not get a fair trial in new york. i'm just wondering, is there any place that the president could get a fair trial >> i think that the president can get a fair trial in new

york i think that he can get a fair trial in atlanta if andy willis decides to bring charges i think he can get a fair trial in the district of colombia if jack smith decides to bring charges and the attorney general authorizing staff. as you know, the standard for a juror isn't that you never heard about the case anybody who's ever heard about these allegations probably wouldn't be qualified to be on the jury the standard is whether you can set aside what you think you know about the case, and listen to the evidence that's presented in court and follow the instructions that the judge gives. i think many, if ot, most americans are capable of that, and there will be a very careful process if there's a jury trial of making sure that every person on that jury can be objective. >> you know, and it's interesting because what is an objective juror? because i mean, there's one thing the former president does

have, and that he elicits many times a visceral reaction, either in favor or against him by people everywhere yo how do you deal with that it's so unusual that the jurors will be dealing with someone that they have preconceived thoughts of separate from what may or may not be in the indictment. >> it's such an important issue, and it's true that this case is unprecedented. we've never had a former president indicted for a crime, but what's much more common is for mayors or state and local lawmakers to be charged with crimes, and in some ways we have -- those are analogy situations, and so i was used to bringing charges against

politicians who have been elected by people, some of whom might be on my jury. so again, judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys know how to handle those cases. again, you understand that people may have ideas, preconceived notions about the facts, and you ask them whether they're capable of putting aside those preconceptions and just decide in the case based on the evidence presented in court. i think most americans understand the importance of a fair and impartial criminal legal system, and when they're called to participate in that system as jurors, almost always they show up and they do the right thing. >> paul putbutler, i thank you o much. >> always a pleasure. up next, we go live to washington and hear what voters think about trump's indictment. plus, how will the indictment affect the 2024 campaign you're watching jose diaz-balart

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41 past the hour we're taking a closer look at the impact of the historic indictment of former president donald trump we're still waiting on key details on the specific charges the former president faces, but reactions are already pouring in from voters all across the political spectrum joining us now with more is nbc news washington correspondent yamish alcindor. what are you hearing from folks this morning >> reporter: well, good morning. well, former president trump being indicted is surely a polarizing issue for americans i have been talking to voters all morning. take a listen to what some of them told me. >> i think it's been a long time coming i'm hopeful that it actually works because i feel there could be a lot of negative repercussions if it doesn't go

through or falls apart i hope there's enough evidence to bring justice for someone who's done a lot of ever a lot of crimes. >> you can't ignore all that's happened in the last five years, you can't. there has to be a better person in that party to represent conservative values and fiscal conservatism and all that. >> reporter: and that last voter, he was a longtime republican voter who has since left the party because he does not recognize it he does not think they should be following trump in this way, but when you look at poll numbers, really republicans see this indictment in this case by the manhattan d.a. as being influenced by politics democrats see this as being motivated by law this tells you this is really about politics in a lot of people's minds while a lot of people are saying this is a long time coming, and the former president they hope will be charged and arrested here. so jose, it's an interesting perspective we're hearing this morning. >> yamiche, thank you very much.

it's good to see you from washington, and we have a brand-new reaction from former vice president mike pence. here's part of what he had to say just within the last hour. do we have that? >> the indictment of a former president of the united states on a campaign finance issue sends a terrible message to the wider world about american justice, because i have to tell you there are dictators and authoritarians around the world that will point to that to justify their own abuse of their own so-called justice system so i'm very troubled by it, but i think the american people will see through it >> and joining us now is the former republican congressman of florida. carlos, always a pleasure to see you. just wondering what your thoughts are

this is so polarized our country is every single day, more and more polarized, and we're seeing some of that right here on the reactions to this. how do you see this going forward? >> having spent a little time with mike pence, let me try to translate what he's saying mike pence is fully aware of a lot of the actions that donald trump has committed in recent years. some of them very serious related to january 6th, related to trying to manipulate the results of the 2020 election what presence is lamenting publy is that political capital is being spent on this, the most irrelevant of trump's sins a supposed affair, and legal strategy to try to bust him on it he's saying, what we should be focused on are the big sins he focused on it's easy for him and other republicans to come out and defend trump in this scenario

because there are echoes to bill clinton and monica lewinsky and the perception that the opposition is being too aggressive to prosecute someone or pursue someone on what is more of a personal matter. >> so could the fact that this is in -- if you look at these four cases that are currently, you know, being looked into, the former president's actions and different things could the fact that this is the first one that hits help the former president in kind of diluting the other ones that ma be coming? >> there is no question, jose, that at least in the short-term, this is going to make donald trump stronger number one, it's rallying republicans around him number two, it allows him to build the narrative that all of this is part of a political witch hunt so when the next case lands, we expect announcements and perhaps other indictments. trump is going to say, you see this allow

scandal, and now they're continuing to pursue him so look, i understand a lot of people out there say, hey. if you broke the law, it doesn't matter who you are you have to face the consequences that's a valid argument, but i think every prosecutor -- every public official has to think about the context in which they're operating, and in the short-term, this is certainly going to be good for donald trump, and i believe it's going to hurt american institutions. >> how so? >> well, it's going to diminish credibility. it's going to feed the narrative that political institutions are being used to pursue people for, you know, under political motivation >> so the fact that the, pretty much so far, almost all of the republican establishment, not just the pro-trump establishment, but it seems like many in the republican establishment are coming out in defense of the former president, how does this -- does this change anything politically? >> well, jose, it reminds us of

the power and strength of donald trump within the republican party. i mean, it's fascinating you just said that so many people have come out in his defense including ron desantis, a guy that he has been bashing and slanldedering all over the country, and yett of trump's attacks repeatedly now has to out and say, i defend donald trump i support him in this case so this is a reminder of how powerful and potent a force trump continues to be. we'll see if he can keep that. we know that this does turn off centrist voters. we saw what centrist voters did to trump-backed candidates in the 2022 elections, but in the short-term as donald trump tries to consolidate republican support, this is a big boost for him. >> carlos curbelo, i appreciate your time. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. up next, we're watching history unfold

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52 past the hour as we close out this very busy hour, we are taking a moment to reflect on the historic nature of the indictment of former president donald trump, the first time criminal charges have been brought to anyone who has ever occupied the nation's highest office "the new york times" highlights this adding the larger story is of a country heading down a road it has never traveled before, one with profound consequences for the health of the world's oldest democracy joining us now is jon meacham, distinguished professor at vanderbilt it's a pleasure to get a chance to speak with you. i'm just wondering how you see this moment and its significance >> you know, thank you, jose i think history is about looking back this is a case, as you imply, where all we're doing -- history

is unfolding as we look around and look ahead it's a real test of the democratic system, lower case d, that so many of us, for all of its flaws and failings, believe should be defended because it has the capacity for amendment, adjustment and reform. so i think it's going to require a certain kind of temperamental discipline and as i think we can agree, the american political sphere is not known for its temperamental discipline we don't have an overabundance of that. but people need take a deep breath people need to let the legal system unfold. insofar as it's at all possible, those who have access to the ears and hearts and minds of others need to, i think, very carefully weigh what they say, because the stakes are, to say

the least, enoenormous it's about accountability. it's about our capacity as a country to not convert ordinary human beings into entities that are somehow quasi-defivine and above the law. >> you know, i'm just thinking about other countries in which -- democracies, some not solid, some solid, that have seen something like this with their leaders. france, italy, i'm thinking of mexico the elections had been stolen and now he is president. i just think, the strength of democracies have a lot to do

with their people and with the structures, the rule of law and other things, not often so dependent on the individual leaders. >> that's right. i think for those who are rightly raising the question of is this the beginning of a fundamental transformation are we going to slide from a place where we have had a relative level of stability in this sphere, is that now irri it doesn't make us a lawless government in the fullness of time, maybe there are negative affects but we don't know. part of the remarkable thing about the american experiment is

that just enough of us have had that kind of temperamental discipline just enough of the time that's what i would urge everybody to try to exercise >> jon meacham, i thank you so much a treat to speak to you. appreciate it. >> thanks, jose. that wraps up the house for me i'm jose diaz-balart i will see you tomorrow night on "nbc nightly news" saturday. reach me on twitter and instagram. you can watch highlights of the show online. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news after a quick break. t♪ ♪ we'll build freelance teams with more agility. ♪ ♪ the old way of working is deader than me. ♪ ♪ we'll scale up, and we'll scale down ♪ ♪ before you're six feet underground. ♪ ♪ yes, this is how, this is how we work now. ♪

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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," history in the making donald trump now the first former u.s. president to be indicted after a manhattan grand jury voted in connection with the hush money payments to stormy daniels this hour, what we know about