>> state senator jack johnso opportunities law that equates track shows with sexua activities >> but the community is saying that they feel attacked by thi bill >> well they shouldn't, unless they intend to perform sexuall graphic entertainment in front of kids. >> antonia is joining me now from nashville, in antonia what are the folks are telling you about the lawmakers? >> alex, well look, tensions here in tennessee have bee high for weeks now as people prepared for thi first of its kind law to g into effect and lg to be q performers and business owners have all been confused and trying to prepare for how to adjust of this new landscape last night, as news came down, a federal trump appointed judg implemented this tro there was a sigh of relief fro those folks from the performer and the people who worked with them and it should be in place righ now for about 14 days. and there's a possible extension there and this i just a temporary restraining order. and what they say is that th fight is still going t

continue here. conservative lawmakers and organizers, they argue tha this is just about restricting performances that they say children should nazi but they described as overly sexualized and they say that is not a ban but the performers insist that with the current language of the bill, it is vague, it is difficult for them t understand how to operate thei businesses, and a judge for no decided with them. i want to take a listen to som of the performers that i hav talked to to hear how lgbt community members here i tennessee have been feelin these last few weeks >> all we can do is say that it's bad and it's wrong, pleas don't do this to us, but the have found us to be a really effective political tool >> we need all hands on deck because when they finish wit us, don't be naive enough to think that they're not comin for you. >> and it is important put thi in context, to, alex this bill was signed by th governor at the same time as

they passed and signed a bil that will outlaw gende affirming medical care for transgender youth. and so the community here feel like they are responding t these issues on multiple front right now. in fact, the organization quie released new numbers earlier this week tracking hundred 6 incidents of protests, attacks and threats against driv performers and events sinc early 2022 and so this fight is going t be continuing. >> yeah, but the point was made, it could be a slippery slope thank you so much antonia from nashville. the trump indictment and the impact of the empathy factor from his supporters who aske about that and why, plus new word from stormy daniels today that might not be where th empathy is coming from our coverage continues right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ despite the top of the hour, very good day to all of yo from msnbc world headquarter in new york. welcome to alex witt reports we begin with a story on the front page and on the minds of many americans at this hour. the historic indictment of a

former president by a manhatta grand jury rangers being made for a surrender at a new york city courthouse details of how he will b arrested and outrage fro republicans across this country, even those who think he ma have committed crimes but sa that they will support him regardless if he becomes the presidential nominee here's new reaction from new hampshire governor kristen who knew, who has expresse interest in challenging trum for the nomination >> what a circus it is. it is an absolute circus you have all of this political -- >> >> >> gene with the indictments are? i'm assuming he has, right let's jump right at it and it only helps him, right which he doesn't understand, i don't think he's going to be the nominee, he can't be the nominee, he can't won in 24. [applause] but he has a lot of sympathy i you will >> nypd and secret service are certainly tightening securit around the courthouse and of trump's appearance on tuesday. and one former trump lawyer wh knows him while says eve

though trump will not be handcuffed, or placed in a holding cell, it will still be a intimidating experience fo the former president >> it goes way beyond scared or way beyond afraid he is petrified. he could put on whatever fak bravado that he wants, knowing donald trump as we all do, who is not just, forget about th fact that he is a germaphobe and the fact that he's eve going to be in this area i going to sort of make his skin crawl -- >> trump spent time last night ranting on social media, for claiming his innocence complaining about democrats an attacking the da alvin bragg meanwhile, we're now hearing from stormy daniels, believe to be at the center of the spending indictment. she is telling the times u radio that she fears for her safety >> it's especially scary because trump himself is inciting violence an encouraging it, and gettin away with it but if you think one crazy

supporter who thinks that they are doing gods work, o protecting democracy, you know and i'm just looking at couple of things that have com through in the last few hour and they're way more violent and graphic. >> we have reporters in plac covering all the new developments in the story fo you. and so we're gonna start wit nbc's vaughn hillyard standing by and west palm beach, not to far from trump's mar-a-lag club von, on tuesday, the first tim in history a former presiden will be arraigned. that bears repeating time an time again so what will that process look like >> right, alex let's look at the reality here, and that i that donald trump is going t have to go through crimina proceedings, and this starts with that arraignment on tuesday. we now know that donald trum intends to fly to new york jus a little over 48 hours from now. he will fly and then stay th night at his old residence i trump tower before midday on tuesday. via his motorcade, driving

about 40 miles south to lowe manhattan, to the criminal courthouse there at that point, is when he will be officially booked and h will be, the charges against him read to him. right now, this indictment i sealed that is why we do not know the specific charges we do have, via sources, about 30 counts related to documen fraud are part of this indictment but donald trump, as well as u in the public at large, we'l have a better understanding of the specific charges that he faces at that time on tuesda afternoon. i want to let you hear a littl bit more from stormy daniels i that interview with the time of london, because she is at the heart of this, and those witnesses and the evidence they were going to the publi record what the trial were to begin likely later this year, amon those likely to take the stand it stormy daniels herself. take a listen. >> i had a zoom call with, you know, the prosecutors and told

them what i did and made i clear that i was willing to go on the stand and tell my story if they needed me. but at this very moment in time, i have not officially been called it looked like i was going t be called to friday's ago an then it changed, so it changes by the minute honestly a person in power is not exemp from the law no matter what your job is o your bank account says tha you're held accountable for th things that you've done an said and justice is served >> again, stormy daniels is at the heart of this. it was her agent there in th weeks before the 201 presidential election. that reached out to th publisher of the nationa enquirer it was at that point that th publisher and editor got i touch with michael cohen there had been previou conversation, allegations ar about trying to catch and kill these types of allegations against donald trump to note, trump has consistentl

denied having a sexual relationship with stormy daniels, or even being aware o this the arrangement storminess before the 2016 election but what we are expected t hear from these cour proceedings is what took place between those conversations. between michael cohen, donal trump, stormy daniels, her agent, the national enquirer publisher david becker, th national enquirer editor dylan howard these are the types of evidenc that he could even be detailed in this indictment that led to these charges. we should know a lot more here just about 72 hours from now alex >> absolutely extraordinar interview there for stormy daniels there in the times u radio. thank you so much for all of that chauvin and that's cohen right now karen friedman, former man chief assistant district attorney, welcome, it's good t see you back on the broadcast. quick question, given th stormy daniels soundbite w just heard, did you ever hav interaction with her >> i did not, i never matter i'd never spoken to her. >> what do you think about wha

she said the fact that she thought sh was going to be called two weeks ago on a time, it did no happen, do you suspect that sh would be called in this case t testify if this thing goes t trial? >> it's important to remembe that we have not seen th indictment yet, so we don' exactly know what the charge are, or what evidence they intend to prove. but if she is in tha indictment, and she is part of this will be think it is, it i a hush money payments relating to her in order to throw the election, then yes, i do think that she will testify at trial she is a key witness here. >> so karen, the reason i as you if you crossed with stormy daniels, you have a lot of experience you spent 11 years and secon in command with manhattan da's events junior. what do you make of all of the details that we are learning about the plans for trump' surrender. no handcuffs, no shot at thi point, what do you think o that >> i mean, it is interesting right, to think about how yo

do certain things regardin donald trump how do you arrest someone an charge him and keep him safe who is under guard with th secret service already and so there are several concerns, logistical concerns, that will have to be thought about, how to get him safely into the building, how to ge him down the hall, et cetera and so i don't know necessaril how important it is. you have to fingerprint him. that for sure, because the have to generate a rap sheet and a nice at number, but th mugshot, that is usually use in case he flees the jurisdiction and obviously there are enough pictures of him, we don't need to have his mark shot. and frankly, knowing, him if somehow they would leak th mugshot and use that to thei advantage as a campaign. so it's not really necessary just like handcuffing him isn' really necessary so they will do the things w have to do to keep them safe and to process the information

but i don't know that you have to do absolutely everything in this particular case >> how often does there exists a special treatment type o thing? you look at the notoriety of somebody i also understand by the way i trump's case that i believ that they are going to b adjourning a lot of the courts that we would be hearing cases from, because they want to hel vacate that building >> yeah, i heard that too. the building normally has mayb ten or 12 trials going o simultaneously throughout th courthouse, and on the halls there. but they are going to keep the regular maintenance. you have a right to be arraigned and 24 hours if yo are arrested and new york city in particular, and tha arraignment proceeding wil continue but the other trials, the othe matters, my understanding is that they will stop at lunchtime so that they can hea this case, which started to 15 so that they can keep some control over who is in and out of the building, because

frankly, they have to keep him safe too and so, that is one concern, but also there to keep everybody else safe, and he' already been calling for death and destruction and violence and he asked the judge he has not directly threaten the judge, but he's done in th way that he does it, and h makes racist comments, makin sure that he adds the judge' middle name one manuel marchand i've known judge marchand fo three decades, i don't know it is middle name is, i never use his middle name, but he want to make sure that he gets that in there just like when he calls alvin bragg, who i african american, calls him an animal he just has these racist trope that he likes to - >> it's disgusting >> it's disgusting and i think it's his way of trying t incite violence, frankly so the secret service becaus of him really have to make sur that they keep everybody safe, and they have to go throug these extraordinary measures because largely of the actions of him, donald trump himself >> i know that you've been par

of charging decisions fo decades, and so let's play and listen together with trump's lawyer says about the number o counts expected in thi indictment here it is >> if it is correct, it mean that they take on each transaction, each track, eac payment, each entry amid a second charge. i think it's all going to rise and fall on the issue of thi settlement agreement a very legal, very commo settlement agreement, and ho it applies to campaign finance laws >> joe tacopina on to somethin there, do you think that i correct on why there might b that many camps? >> so each, it has been widely reported again that there ar 11 different payments made, an each payment had its own invoice. and i checkmate, and it had business injury that was written. each one of those would be a separate charge of falsifying business records so if there were 11 payments and with three different thing that happened in each one, i would imagine 33 counts with

respect to each of those i addition to that, there' potentially a sweeping conspiracy charge that i think we can expect here, see here they would talk about this conspiracy to influence th election by doing catch an kill, whether it is with karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. i think we should wait and loo for that, because i think that that is a possibility sinc there was a conspiracy her between vile, trump michae cohen, and david pecker to a least. >> so what category would conspiracy fall under, if that were one of the charges? would that be a felony, or a misdemeanor. how would that play out? >> so interestingly, in ne york, there are differen levels of felonies and cost felonies, that the highest i class egophonies are the lowest this is a class eat velvety. so it is the lowest felony, th falsifying of business records where there is no mandator jail time, but you could serve up to four years the conspiracy to commit a cos -y felony in new york is

actually a misdemeanor it is an eight misdemeanor and so although would be the lowest charge if it is charged in some ways, i think it is on of the more important charges, because it allows much mor evidence come and, and a muc larger timeframe of informatio to come and. this case is much more tha just i wrote this track, and put this business entry. and to tell those stories of why it is a crime, you have to put in context, and conspiracy charge ensures th ability to put that context and, and tells a story that we coul all see exactly what their theory is. >> how long might this take to go to trial? could there be some sort of bargaining for lesser charges? what is the likelihood that it could be dismissed >> you have to think tha trump's team is going to throw everything they can possibly d to delay the trial >> absolutely, they're going t try to delay the trial

we know that because that is trump's legal playbook exactly, that is his playbook, to delay he's going to try. the good news is that we hav the judge, he is an excellen judge knows how to keep contro of his courtroom he's not going to put up wit that but there will be some adjournments and some delay if you follow the normal course because he is entitled to make motions, which he will there are several motions that he is already signaled that he will make. he will say this is beyond the statute of limitations he will say that whatever crim the prosecution is using is no eligible to elevate this fro one misdemeanor to a felony. he will make other motions i'm sure he will make a motion regardin the efficiency of the gran jury there will be lots and lots of motions that he will make. the statute of limitations, he will do that because a felon in new york is a - this happened more than five years ago. there are some legal ways to

pause that statute the prosecution is relying o that he will want to challenge th reliance on that >> a couple of questions here. will this fall into the 2024 campaign season. will that be something tha judge marchand would say, gott take a pause because of th political interpretation of al of this. finally, do you think it may have crossed trump's minds o those of his attorney that h thinks, if i get into the whit house, i can get all these charges dismissed because i'm top dog, right could a president dismisse charges against himself if the unthinkable happened and he wa reelected to the oval office >> no, actually. what he can do is he can pardo himself for any federal crim that he has committed. all of the stuff that jack mitt is looking at, all of the

mar-a-lago documents case, the january 6th insurrection case, he can pardon himself or another republican if he i elected can pardon him he can make those cases go awa and that is done you cannot pardon a stat prosecutor this case and the other case that i anticipate to be coming soon as well as the other manhattan da investigation that is still remains open, that may or ma not be brought those are very important, he cannot pardon himself for thos matters. as your other question, is the judge going to pause this for presidential election? i have no way of answering tha question because this is truly unprecedented. i just don't know what a judge will do. there is nothing to look bac on the say oh, this is wha they've done in the past >> when you figure out, in com back and see us. it is going to mess with you weekend. very good to see you, thank yo

so much. also new today, reports that o trump is using news of his indictment to ramp u fundraising in the 24 hour since the manhattan da announced charges. trump's campaign says it reached $4 million joining me now, bowman, deputy editor for the nbc new political unit welcome, $4 million in a day it has a lot of money. how did he do it who is donating to him that is certainly a lot of money even for trump who is prolific fund raiser some figures that the trum campaign shared last night, suppose front of me, they said about a quarter of those donor were first-time donors who, th average donation was aroun $34. we of course can't confirm those numbers, we will be able to get a better sense of i when he files his report two weeks from today but it certainly shows that th campaign is trying to send a message that this is helping their campaign, not hurtin them it is winning the ne supporters, energizing their current supporters and so yes,

we certainly have seen trump taking advantage of this he has sent out several fund raising emails, even the - >> it all fairness, those site are doing that because in your article you point out that democrats and republicans ar trying to capitalize off the indictment what kind of strategies are th using and what side has been more successful at it? >> that is correct, that i been really interesting to see these pictures coming from bot sides. but it is not necessaril surprising that is because trump has been the best fund-raiser for - we have seen an explosion in a democratic fund raising in the last couple of election cycles that is because these smal dollar grassroots donors focus on giving $5, $10 a month, but they activate them they've been looking for summe to channel the energy, that is been going to democratic campaigns. we will have to see when the fundraising reports are file and who raised the most here it is important to note that yesterday was the final day of

the first fund raising quarter campaigns had to close their books, we're gonna get a sense of how much they raised over the first few months and a couple of weeks. >> it is april 1st today put your moment, thank you s much, we will see you again. and now we look at palm beac on a saturday afternoon, som new questions about the trum loyalty test, who is going t pass it on tuesday, there is a parade or carnival or circus here in new york city some answers in 60 seconds. in just a few clicks. and we'll come to you with a replacement you can trust. >> man: looks great. >> tech: that's service on your time. schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ sara federico: at st. jude, we don't care who cures cancer. we just need to advance the cure. it's a bold initiative to try and bump cure rates all around the world, but we should. it is our commitment. we need to do this. staaaaacccceeeyyy! i'm the sizzle in this promposal. and tonight, sparks are gonna fly.

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several publicans defending th former president as many democrats view it as vindication in what could be a consequential moment i american history joining me now is texa congressman jasmine, a democratic member of the house oversight. and agriculture committee. welcome back, a couple weeks i a row, good to see you again so what went through your mind when you heard the grand jur issued the trump indictment. how do you think history i going to view this very unique moment >> first of all, it's great to see you alex for me, as someone who i historically represented those that were -- and typically being charge with being things a lot more serious in the sense that they would get overcharged. it was such a good day to sa that finally at least he i somewhat being held accountabl for something that he is done, there has been so much, we kno that in this campaign hi initial campaign, we heard s

many things that wer problematic, including the sexual harassment and even i some places it may b considered more than sexua harassment, the physical sexua salted women he has never been held accountable for any of these things the idea that he may actuall start this process of bein held accountable for some of his that acts is a good thing. it is a good day for america everybody should be cheering this on. if they truly believe in law and order. >> i gotta tell you, i still scratch my head at hav evangelicals gave him a pass he grabs women by the you know anyway, let's go to marjorie taylor greene says that she' coming to new york tuesday, no today. she calls for protests for trump, what do you make of you republican colleagues who ar defending trump this way, they are saying get angry, figh protest how much are you worried about the atmosphere that is being traded out there is there an error of concern o capitol hill >> you know what, they lov

january six years, they love the insurrection that is why we had to take the field trip i just want people to wake u and pay attention to what th republicans do they ignore what they ar saying what they do is, they promot lawlessness, they promot violence, this is not what w should have coming from thos that are elected tour highes offices. we are supposed to be held to higher standard. instead, they are continuall bringing our offices down in honestly, it is not only problematic for this country and the safety of it, but it i problematic from a world view. we saw what's been going on in other countries. they have been watching th degradation of our country and it is being led by people like marjorie taylor greene as well as trump >> let me talk about another big important bag, the one tha has erupted around guns.

that is following the national school leading at one point there was thi shouting match between jamal bowman and thomas massie, let' take a listen to that. >> they are cowards, they ar all cowards. they will do anything to sav the lives of our children at all. >> we allow -- >> you think more guns wil lead to more guns? more guns lead to more deaths. >> that's common sense right there, in a recent poll, 45% o registered voters said the strongly support stricter gu control laws, 18% said the somewhat supported multiple republicans, as you know this week, have said ther is nothing they can do for gun safety nothing? congress can do nothing? you buy that >> absolutely not. i'm with jamal bowman, the lack the courage to do something. in fact, we were sitting i oversight just this week and

one of my republican colleague specifically said there's no such thing as gun violence he said it repeatedly that gun violence is not existent they do not want to classified as gun violence. that is where we stand and earlier you are talking abou tennessee, tennessee is ye another state that follows texas in promoting permit-less carry. as soon as they do that, a soon as they pass that legislation, what happens at one of our schools it is time enough for th rhetoric, and i don't even understand how it is that they go around worship-ing guns and say that they are pro-life, an say that they care about children seemingly, they only care abou fetuses, they don't care about children and honestly, i don't care about fetuses they actually care about controlling a woman's body i'm tired of playing games wit them, i applaud my colleague bowman who has worked in the classrooms, who has loved on children he is trying to educate ou

future i absolutely deplore those tha don't have the courage to do what we were sent to d.c. to d which is to pass legislation that will improve the lives of all citizens in this country and instead play games and act as if children should be pawns in this world, they are not, their to be loved an protected. >> gotta tell you, if this wer sunday, i would say preach girlfriend anyway, thank you very much fo that jasmine good to see you, i know we wil see you again. we have some other news to share including new and deadly severe weather across the sout in the midwest in the midwest l you do? will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. family is just very important. she's my sister and, we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together.

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there, you can actually, if yo look one, way straight into th school right down here you can see into the hallways. this shows you the power of th storm and just how truly devastating it is. all morning we have run into people, folks who used to teac here people who currently teacher family members of a students here who have come here just t see this destruction for themselves and do whatever they can t help out, to try to clean it up as you can see, it doesn't really not much they can do. that really is kind of the sentiment that some of the people are getting today here is what a few people said to us. we spoke with one person who's a teacher here the other person whose wif teaches here here is what they had to say about what they saw. >> last night was horrifying it was pretty scary. my daughter even called. she was like, she doesn't have an experience with the tornado >> i work here, i live her every day. this is what i do my best work

right here there's so much devastation in this small community that, the are just everywhere. i'm sure they feel like i do they are physically okay but they are emotionally devastated. >> alex, you heard her say s much devastation in th community. take a look over there, that i what she's talking about this is another view from th high school. when you look at the homes when you talk about the fact that so much of this area is littered with trees, littere with debris, at this hour crew are still going through an performing search and rescue trying to make sure that all the people who are trapped are out and out safely they've got a long way to go before they can talk about rebuilding >> i mean, add that to the lis of so many other places across the country that are suffering that way thank you blame for that they are condemning it, bu they don't actually know wha the charges are. what to make of the republican reflex to denounce the trump indictment indictment the new chase ink business premier card is made for people like sam who make...? ...everyday products... ...designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder -

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pivotal players leading to don trump's indictment, stormy daniels, the adult film actres who says that she had an affai with him back in 2006. saying in a new interview, she fears for her life, she also hopes to testify against trump >> i have nothing to hide, i look forward to tellin everybody what i know. but at this very moment, i hav not officially been called it looked like i was going t be called to friday's ego.

then it changed. it changed by the men honestly i was telling the truth. i didn't lie about anythin that all the details come out. but all the misconceptions are cleared up and that you know, person in power is not exemp from the law >> joining me now is mark, msnbc contributor, staff write at the atlantic, and author of the terrific book, thank you for your servitude as well as hayes brown, and -- good to see both of you guys hear mark, trump's prosecution is certain to be at the trial o the century to the say the least with possible testimon from stormy daniels, michael cohen, ellen weisselberg how do you see it th inevitable spectacle playing into a 2024 campaign >> it will certainly be spectacle. i think i would view this in the context of multiple trials i don't know of the century, but certainly big trials

because i think it is generall considered the new york case was maybe at the least, very clear cut. obviously john trump has a lot of legal jeopardy, possibl going forward in georgia ove january 6th. i do think that the question is, does, like so many things do trump, does fatigue said in? does the spectacle go on and all of a sudden we are baked into the cake of our ongoing died of news absorption, wha is the word, digestion gotta get the metaphors right. anyway, it's gonna b interesting's against th campaign it is something that we have obviously never seen before. >> our say to those folks that were just watching what we had on the air, that is mar-a-lago just outside of the trump' residence. you see a sports number of folks, there is not been a lot but there's definitely bee consistency there with som people

in your article, you write, ke republicans have denounced the indictment, calling it a national embarrassment and unprecedented peace of power among other things but the charges have not bee made public. tell me some other things that you found striking about the republican reflex to defen donald trump >> right now we are in tha space between when we know tha the grand jury has voted t indict donald trump and what the charges are. it's interesting that in the space where we don't know much of anything, they are choosing to make the bet that it is better for them in the long ru to back trump now. if they have to walk it back when the charges drop, if trum is convicted, they feel like i is probably easier for them to reverse course then to b called out should trump be acquitted as being insufficien legal right now. i think the fact that they mad that calculation, that the think that they are standing with the republican base, it i more important than the damage

what - that i think is interesting, they're willing to put tha risk, they're willing to mak that risk right now. >> interesting, yeah considering the deep divisions in the country, th unprecedented nature of this indictment, some will see this as confirmation that no one is above the law. others are gonna see this as proof that political enemies can be put on trial. will either side prevail i their sentiments >> prevail is an interesting concept in this day and age. i guess what i was struck by over the last 72 hours or so since this indictment came dow was, as usual, the rush to defend donald trump and to treat him as a murder amon republicans who know better. these are punitive leaders o the party, kevin mccarthy, eve his rivals in the presidential race ron desantis, mike pence, go down the list. this is probably the 1000t potential upfront that the could've used to get som distance between him themselves in donald trump

what's interesting also is tha these are people who don't wan him to be their nominee. as long as they just say nothing and have this instinct to bow down to him, he i really gonna get stronger. that is what the differenc does he has shown that he wil thrive in any setting in which he is not being stopped. he will take what is given t him and when people do stop, they just keep going if you look at this in the las two weeks, his poll number have only gotten stronger in comparison to desantis and others who are running against him. look, it just seems like the are all rolling over, it i down to a reduction of everything that republican have done over the last six or seven years. >> isn't that just extraordinary? so hayes, compared to the more consequential events that trum has been involved in, trying t overturn an election, inspirin and in selection, th allegations by the manhattan d seem less significant. if it's about accountability does this now set a clear path

for the special counsel, for the georgia da to charge trump what do you think? >> i'm hoping so because what' interesting is with this, we now have trump in theory, ther is a potential scenario wher trump is dealing with criminal charges at every level at the federal, state, and local level. that is fascinating. i think we might have thre trials going on in the lead up to 2024, depending on what the special counsel and what they've done in georgia. that i think is something that we have not really wrap he heads around yet i think in terms o accountability, the idea tha bringing this case for storm daniels weakens the other one, that is never made sense to me yes, it's about holding trum accountable, it's about making sure that he knows that ther can be consequences for hi down the line. what is striking about the way the republicans are reacting i that they didn't have to go as

hard as they did they could have just made very blanket statement saying, innocent and proven guilty i our system the grand jury has indicted, that doesn't mean he is guilty we're gonna wait and see wha happens. instead, they went to th nuclear option they would like no, alvin brag is a racist, how dare he mak this political charge. i think that moving forward, we're going to see, it's gonna be interesting to see if the repeat the same play at th state and federal level if those charges do officiall come >> hayes brown, also enjoy chatting with you, thank you very much. it has been called the plan is response possible. ivanka trump's message to th world about her dad' indictment what does she really mean? you're gonna hear from a filmmaker who recorded several hours with the trump famil before and after january 6th before and after january 6th heck that. eh, pretty good! (whistles) yeek. not cryin', are ya? let's tighten that. (fabric ripping) ooh. - wait, wh- wh- what was that? - huh? what, that? no, don't worry about that. here we go. - asking the right question can greatly impact your future. - are, are you qualified to do this? - what? - especially when it comes to your finances. - yeehaw!

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the political spectrum expressing support and concern insider calls it the plan this response possible. joining me now is this documentarian who recorded several hours with trump, hi children, and close advisers before and after january 6th alex, welcome. how do you interpret this? what message do you think bank is sending there? >> in some ways i think she' getting too much time on chatgpt. it is kind of thing you woul expect the machine to right. ivanka is someone who loves he father very much at the same time, she's trying to separate yourself from hi activities this is a -- she grew up with scandal after scandal with respect to he father once again, she has to liv through another one of his extracurricular activities i feel sorry for-in-one specht i'm not surprised by her statement to be honest >> do you get the sense that

she was at all distancin herself from her father? even back then when you were recording things >> no, definitely not. she maintained her father' position in fact, this is when she said to me that she accepted he father's position. when she spoke to the januar six committee, she had conflicting positions with respect to the events that led to january 6th and the nonsens about the election fraud she loves to maintain your father's position, almos always to be honest. >> let's play in the clip fo the viewers from the documentary you shot let's watch together >> i think i treat people well unless they don't treat me well in which case, you go to war >> from those interactions you have with donald trump, what d you think he might be thinking now? now that he is been indicted

>> he's definitely scared. he is definitely a ver unhappy. he needs to be in control. donald trump reminds me of ton soprano in that respect. he is a mafia boss, he implies things he will say things like, if yo don't respect me are going t go to war. he is definitely trying to politicize this as much as possible i think, that is terrifyin frankly. we saw what he can do. in january 6th, that was completely his own doing telling millions of people tha the election stolen and they'r not expecting there to be violent reaction the same thing here, it is terrifying what did you learn about january 6th that you think might eclipse anything tha we're seeing now >> oh i don't know, i thin daniel sucks was such horrific day in american history. i was there, we witnesse

people being trampled to death people being beaten up, tear gas, it was like being in riot in countries that you neve expect to see in america it was just absolutely extraordinary. and it was very sad. could something happen that is worse? if trump doesn't behav responsibly, he's going to try to get a significant reaction. >> extraordinary, alex, than you so much. the documentary was then unprecedented, apropos given what we have heard now the title still holds, good to see you. that is it for me, make sure t tune in tomorrow for a special edition of alex witt reports and then of course i will be back at 1 pm eastern and then stick around, a few more questions comg inrigh back with a little mor coverage at the top of the hour hour they just piled it on. roast beef, ham, oven roasted turkey.

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