have definitely put him in a position to be stronger than h has ever been before and it seems as though thi indictment is doing just that. >> especially, when it comes t tuesday we know that marjori taylor greene is going to be around does anything what tuesday worry you? >> a lot worries me becaus living in washington d.c. an watching what happened o january 6th i never though that something like that could happen so here we go it really scares me that his supporters are that mobilize by him that they will call t arms over anything he says >> ashley thank you so much fo wrapping up the hour with me, do appreciate you on a sunda morning. as i, said this will do it for me on the special edition of alex witt reports. i'll see you again at 1 pm eastern my friend katie fang continues our coverage >> this is the katie phang sho live from msnbc worl headquarters in a new york city we've got lots of news to cove

and lots of questions to answe so let's get started buckle up for what i anticipated to be a wild ride. donald trump is set to arriv in new york city tomorrow as the former president prepare to surrender to law enforcemen in manhattan courthouse on tuesday afternoon. plus, a judge denying medi empire fox news's request to keep the case from going to jury my question, just how big of a legal lost in fox news suffe on friday? then later, the culture is a ipi woman. i sat down with some trailblazers to talk about wha it means to be an asia american woman in today' america. all of that and more is coming up donald trump is set to arriv in new york tomorrow i had one of the biggest court appearances we have ever see in united states history it truly will be unprecedented

a former president facin felonies will go before judge. trump is spending the weeken in florida and was only briefl seeing driving by the smal pockets of supporters that hav gathered outside of hi mar-a-lago estate. but from what we are seeing, i is less of a protest and mor of a party now nbc news is joining a grou of news organizations asking i justice wants -- to immediately unsealed th indictment and allow cameras inside of the courtroom when they twice impeached forme president's arraigned on tuesday. trump is facing about 30 count related to falsification o business records, in connectio with hush hush money allegedly paid to cover up affairs we start today's show with nbc's vaughn hillyard in wes palm beach von my friend good morning i have to, ask have you felt any shift in the energy as the clock ticks down towards trump's surrender on tuesday >> good, morning kate a we are about 36 hours from him leaving here,

mar-a-lago, to head to the pal beach international airport to explain to new york city when we are talking abou energy i was just having a conversation with a couple o folks here who are already her at this early hour on this sunday morning, in solidarit with donald trump here the way that they were telling me was that they are here to watch this all unfold and they said that they want to see wha specific charges are filed against him, much like you and i do too nbc and other news organizations as you noted filed that petition with the courts to unseal the indictments and one of the reasons laid out by the news organization was to keep speculation about what the charges are from growing eve more because that is what is taking place around the country the conversations having wit these folks, versus those that are speculating the extent t which karen mcdougal and storm daniels and whether this is an election law violation or th potential that this could be also stemming from the financial fraud allegations of

the inflation of the evaluatio of his assets. there is a law that we still d not know when that we ar waiting to get a bette understanding on i asked for donald trump he is 36 hours, katie, to really try to arrange this and make the plans for his new york cit travel, to make it look like a much as he desires he has been on truth socia over the last several days, an not only knocking the prosecutor alvin bragg, bu also the judge for donald trum this is much about the actua potential trial as much as i is about his own political effort because this trial kati going to start in just a coupl months from now but there is a decent shot this could go well into next year meaning that that would ru completely parallel to the major presidential primaries that he will be a contender in >> our thanks to you vaugh hillyard for being live at mar-a-lago and bringing us the latest i look forward to seeing you later. there is republican fury ove the indictment of donald trump which is growing with some

potential 2024 rivals rushin to his defense, and targetin manhattan da alvin bragg >> so now he turns around, purely for political purposes, and indites a former president on misdemeanor offenses that they are straining to try to convert into felonies. that is when you know that the law has been weaponized fo political purposes >> oh the irony. for the governor ron desanti with some strong words there even though he is no officially announced his candidacy. he spent part of yesterday i the key swing state of pennsylvania joining us now from capito hill is nbc news congressional correspondent julie tsirkin. julie good morning desantis' claim of a politically motivated which seems to b what republicans on the hill are climbing as well but we still have not hear from senate minority leade mitch mcconnell yet. who else is weighing in on this? >> good morning, katie

most republicans are lining up in support of the former president with some notabl exceptions, like the mos powerful republican here in th senate as you mention but if it is not their love fo the former president donal trump that is uniting them but it is the fact that they think this investigation is politica in nature. you heard from desantis who is primed to be the forme president's biggest riva showed he answer, which we d expect him to in the 2024 race other republicans up here ar saying that alvin bragg th manhattan da's political i nature and is not focused on crime in new york. this is something we kee hearing over and over agai from the speaker kevin mccarth all the way down to freshman republicans here and as you, notice thi building is empty. it will be empty for the nex two weeks, we are not able t trace lawmakers it down. but i am curious to see wh else has not responded to this and will speak out today on th sunday shows, for exampl including a handful of republican some of whom vote to convict the former presiden after the second impeachment trial. but all of them are lining u

for the most part behind the former president and in hi defense. speaker mccarthy had ordered three house committee chairs t investigate the investigatio and we are seeing that play ou in realtime with the oversight judiciary and administration chair sending letters to alvin bragg asking him to show the finance paperwork to make sure that federal funds were no used in this investigation you also some republican saying they're gonna travel to new york, like marjorie taylor greene the congresswoman tweeting that this is quote witch hunt saying that she will join th protests on tuesday when mr. trump will be arraigned in tha manhattan courtroom. there is a lot to watch fo here on capitol hill, but hi supporters are certainly linin up and say that this i politicized and that's nothing more >> our thanks to, you nbc's julie tsirkin from capitol hill now we are going to return t the deadly severe weathe outbreak leaving a trail o devastation and destructio across the south and midwest the death toll is tragically standing now at 25 arkansas is among the states hit particularly hard, and you

can see the extent of th devastation that ripped throug the city when nbc news correspondent emily ikeda join us now from another arkansas city which is picking up the pieces thin little rock emily, those images are really tough to see can you share with us ho things are on the ground there >> absolutely. good to be with, you katie this is the result of an ef3 tornado bringing 165 mile an hour winds on the ground according to the nationa weather service, for about 2 to 25 miles. when you are looking at behind me is just a small sliver of the extensive nature of th damage behind me, a teacher lived i this home. you can see the force of thi storm actually peeling off the break. his bedroom completely exposed he had been at school just a few minutes away, teaching when the massive storm swept through. you can imagine the horror whe he rounded the corner and sa what was left. a tangled mess of power line

and downed trees here. residents now trying to salvag what they can from the remains that are here today. another storm is set to move in here's more from the residents who lived there. >> it looks like a bomb went off inside of. it you see that here that's where it looks like i every room except for this front corner, that window. the only thing we can take fro this is there was nobody here, so no one heart. and things can be replaced >> there are more than 260 homes and businesses, all in this kind of condition you think about the number o tornadoes that swept of th country so far, already 20 confirmed reports of tornadoes but possible tornadoes according to our weather tea upwards of 70. across the country we saw the death toll even tic up overnight, in the county of tennessee, katie, nine peopl have been confirmed dead there some really stop and truly words commissioner of stuff is there describing the loss of

the devastation is unimaginable, and the people who were killed he says were in homes that hav been completely reduced to rubble also one death in delaware because these storms last nigh swept eastward so a potentia tornadoes spawned in delaware. we are learning more details today as the national weathe service continues to go out an surveyor cross the country the magnitude from these storm is just really stunning, katie >> so much death o destruction. police say safe, emily ikeda thank you so much for stayin with us this morning i reall appreciated. hours after getting out of the hospital, pope francis presiding over palm sunday services tens of thousands of peopl packed into st. peters squar in vatican city this morning for the start of the holy week the 86-year-old pope spent a few days in the hospital battling bronchitis. he appeared to be in goo spirits as he left the hospita in rome yesterday, joking with journalists that he was, quote still alive. we think when the key thin

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suggest's turn slowly but ar exceedingly fine with criminal cases sometime those wheels grind even more slowly than we would like to see. why? you have the grand jury process, the return of the indictment then the arrests the arraignments and pretria motions and hearings and eventually there is no ple deal there is a jury trial and with donald trump the whol process could take even longer as he is born to be the master of delay on tuesday afternoon w will witness a historic even when he is arranged about 30 charges connected to alleged hush money paid to cover up hi affair with an adult film star but to avoid all the majorit former president could try t

push this trial all the wa into the heart of the 2024 campaign season. joining me now is suzanne crai who is the investigative reporter for the new york time and an msnbc contributor suzanne, you are one of th best people to talk to with al things trump you won a pulitzer prize for exposing what the pulitzer judges called quote, donal trump's business empire riddle with tax dodges. i have to ask, are you surprised it took a hush money payment to stormy daniels to finally gets trump indicted? >> first of all good morning and thank you for having me. i have to say it is always a thing that you don't expect so in a way no, but this has been he has led a life of tax avoidance and just moving righ up to the edge of the law, eve as we have reported includin in that story mentioned that when the pulitzer where he feared right into it right t tax fraud. but he has, for his whole life had a pattern of behavior that

so far has only faced civi consequences for and now on tuesday we're gonna see something quite remarkable which is a criminal proceeding involving donald trump it is quite just to thin because of all the simpl litigation that he has bee involved in and the civi thinks it can probably get som of this finally moved into the criminal realm >> you spent 18 months investigating trump and hi fraudulent tax schemes attorney general also has been looking into trump and his children and the alleged fraud that they were perpetratin with his real estate holding and other business dealings. do you expect to see anythin out of alvin bragg's office or maybe even the unseale indictment on tuesday or in th near future, about that type o conduct? >> i think that on tuesday w are going to see, according to all the reporting and the gran jury that was impounded whic was looking at the hush mone

payments i think it is going t center very much around that but what is going to b interesting just to see and cannot wait to see is th details. the devil is always in the details in the zone i look bac at this piece that we did in 2018, it took 18 months for us to push that together as the story focused around the inherited wealth that he got from his father, hundreds of millions of dollars. and the tax fraud that enhance it to put that story together w talk first of all a lot of confidential information about fraud to trump and his empir through tax records an business records and we took general lectures and financial statements and bank records an we then went and paired that u with other information fro lawsuits and sources and fro freedom of information request which push together a stor that showed tax fraud that h had engaged in tax fraud t enhance this inheritance and

then on tuesday investigators am sure have gone through th same thing where they got we have heard a lot about michael cohen and what he might say an we've talked about he is going to say but they are going to have a lot of support of evidence, and i just can't wai to see what it is of the hus money payments he got, where i the books today account for it and with what the company? that sort of thing what phone records do they hav the going to go that far t back up the story? somebody says they did something old and we have phone record that supports the conversation if it was on th phone. is there a text message that michael cohen may have sent to somebody saying while you ar not going to believe this craz hush money payments i'm in the middle of. people do those sort of things and they said the sort of text and they make calls and i' just really excited to see the supporting evidence that we ma get a peek at. there is obviously going to be a trial and we are going to se even more but it is just the devil really is in the details and is going to be great jus to finally see exactly wha

this case is all about from th minute shia. >> susan craig i know you di that deep dive into the mnuchi and know that you know lot about it, so you and i a pretty much the rest of th world is going to be looking t see what happens on tuesday. suzanne craig thank you so muc for joining us this morning really appreciate you fo getting this ship started. for more on the legal side w are joined by charles colema junior as he supports lawyer and former brooklyn cros prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. i would like to add france charles, my friend, i'd like t start playing something fo you. michael cohen's lawyer sai this yesterday my spoke to him >> this case is created around documents which have corroborating testimony an emails and text messages and i is tremendously documented and they do not have a clue. he knows nothing about the evidence that had been compiled >> charles, we still have no seen that indictments yet. to his point, it is entirely likely that the grand jury has

seen and heard evidence whic we have no idea about, especially trump's defense tea has no idea. do you think we will get a sense of the evidence on tuesday? >> [inaudible] >> charles, can you hear me? we are having some audio difficulties with you so we ar going to go to a really quic break right now. we will be right back guys thanks

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podcast and the author of to much and never enough, how m family created the world's mos dangerous man, and the reckoning, our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal. she is also the niece of donal today j trump. mary, my friend is always so good to see you. you and i have talked a lo about accountability on tv and off the screen what accountability means. in light of friday's news of the return of the indictment against your uncle, do you think that we are finall seeing the beginning of true accountability for donald trump? >> i certainly hope so katie i think this is a long tim coming and there are a lot of peopl who have been waiting on the edge of our seats for years no to see the dam finally began t break. and i think that new york is a really good place for this t start. now, i think it is fair to say that donald will never be trul held accountable for many of his crimes including his

egregious and maliciou mishandling of covid for example. but i don't think that w should diminish the potentia seriousness of what is happening in new york righ now. obviously we don't know what the charges are but we wil find out soon enough and i think that this crime or these series of alleged crimes tha donald may finally face ou foundational to every othe charge that he might be lookin at out of georgia and d.c. >> ivanka trump has broken her silence after her father's indictment on friday when sh posted an instagram story and will note it is a story so a we know that does not last ver long in permanent c. in that instagram story sh said among other things quote love my father and i love my

country. today, i am paint for both notably silent though is marriott is at least publicl melania trump, his wife. can we expect to see a coo distance by donaldson median family, or do you think we are going to see some circling o wagons now that he is finall facing criminal charges? >> well it is nice to see that ivanka has figured it screen capture. that is about as little as she could possibly have said i understand that melania an donald very publicly hav dinner together the night of the indictment announcement. but i do not think that ivanka or maloney are going to want t be very involved another one of them will b vocal about and i think ivanka made her choice along time ago to go her separate way she understands that her futur does not align with remainin

connected to her father, eithe personally publicly or politically. unfortunately on the other han we will likely continue to hea a lot from ivanka's brothers >> that is true, the unfortunately part mary, a lot of people mayb don't know but maybe they do you have got a ph.d. i clinical psychology and yo have written that donald trump meets all nine of the dsm- characteristics of narcissisti personality disorder including having antisocial independen personality sort of traits i have to ask, what could have impact you think it is going t have on donald to be facing no only the threat of possibl incarceration, but to th reality of additional that mr. they're going to come down a lot? >>, katie i think he is having a very difficult tim processing this. not simply because of hate i potential psychologica disorders, but because he ha never had to face anything lik this before, despite decades o

wrongdoing it is understandable that he would not be able to take this in i have no doubt in my mind tha the thing he is most experiencing right now besides that disbelief is a lot of stuff self pity and a lot of fear it will come across this anger wouldn't be the all of that he is finding this entire experience and the potential for further indictments an everything that could go along with those, which is all ver terrifying >> i have to let you go. in your successful second book the reckoning, you talk abou how our country is suffering from trauma since the beginnin because of racism and whit supremacy. but now that donald has been indicted, do you think thi will for the divide in our country and adds to ou collective trauma? >> it will further the divid in our country but not because donald is being indicted his indictment signals to me

that's the rule of law i finally prevailing it has been on life support fo a long time. we need this, he doesn't nee to faces on. recognizing what will furthe divide us and traumatized us i the response on the republican side they are dishonesty an recklessness is something that we really need to grapple with and this stand as far as tha is possible, because the lie coming out of republican leadership are really going to do serious damage if somebod does not stop them >> my thanks to you mary trump for always being here for us a a friend of the show and for providing some really keen analysis and insight i appreciate you >> thank, you my friend. >> and now we actually hav former trump counsel and fixer michael cohen who is joining u on the phone we appreciate it always, michael, are you there >> i'm here.

katie, good. morning >> as you may have heard watching the show earlie and yesterday, your attorney lanny davis appeared on th show yesterday to talk about the pending unsealing of the indictment against forme president donald trump o tuesday. i did want to ask you about th following. there was this big push toward the, and right before we heard the announcement of th indictments, of trump puttin forth robert costello as a potential defense witness to pretty much go after you and your credibility with a lot of people were no talking about and i kind o wanted to run by with u.s. the following. in the sunday some memorandu from the doj back in 2018 when you were sentenced by th federal government, it was ver clear that the doj and other including you maintains that anything that you did vis-à-vis stormy daniels and karen mcdougal was acting in coordination with and at the direction of individuals which we all know michael is donal trump and the purpose of makin

those payments was to preven any story from coming out an influencing the election so michael what to say 20 of the critics out there that are saying that brad's case once unsealed is going to show that the indictment is premised heavily on your credibility an your credibility alone >> look so far they have all been wrong, each and every tim they come out and they try t attack my credibility what has happened it has been shown that i hav been credible, which is th same thing i've been sayin five years ago i am stil repeating today. it was not i who made that statement, it was donald trump's department of justic that was making that statement and so that statement should have been enough but bringin out bob costello was yet another mistake by donald trum and his team because not onl did it not do anything, it

actually shows the intent of trump and the team in order to muddy up the water to try to discredit me and to damage the case that alvin bragg actually fought let us not forget that it wa donald trump who put out tha he was going to be indicted on tuesday. and what she then went ahead and started to fund-raise of of i said yesterday that i don' even believe that $4 million was raised as a result which i more propaganda by trump and company to show, oh my gos look at how many people are ou there and how many people care about me this is all made up. and mary trump is one hunted percent correct to what sh said, which is that he's doing this because he is scared. he is petrified. this is the first time that he is facing accountability and h should be facing accountability >> michael i have to ask

knowing him as well as you do, what are you expecting to se happen on tuesday? within some waves is going t be a little bit of a controlle environment because he is goin to have his secret service flanking him but do you think he is going t try to make some type of publi spectacle to achieve some type of moderate on tuesday when he shows up for his arraignment >> whatever option does he have? to walk in likely lose o coward that he is? to walk in like the man who ha divided and is trying to destroy our country? he is going to make this appearance that he is as tough as nails and that it is no bothering him and that he is taking this all in stride as part of the witch hunt and the radical left looking to take him out of the presidentia race because he of course bein the front runner of th republican party despite how sad that is, that this is al

the radical left and that he has to play that same card ove and over again otherwise wha is he supposed to do cry? cry in front of the people which is probably what he want to do? >> he probably wants to cry bu i don't think we will see tear on tuesday but michael i a sure that we're going to see him some drama >> if i can say one more thing for you here, this is not -- one of the things i also kee talking about is the way tha the public right now i determining which case is more relevant than the other and will acknowledge that this cas is not as relevant in the eyes of many as seditious conspirac or the government document specifically which are top secret documents or the attemp to overthrow a valid electio and to change the outcome. yes i acknowledge that but i is still a crime and if that crime was good enough to sen me to prison, remember i am no

the one who slept with storm daniels or karen mcdougal i am just the idiot who played fo it and only in one of thos cases. but at the end of the day if that was enough in order t send me to prison then why i the law not a pick likable i the same manner to donald trump? >> it should be and hopefull we will see that unravel and b unsealed on tuesday so that we will actually see it being applied. michael cohen former attorne for donald trump i alway appreciate you taking the time to join us thank you. coming up, fox fall is a judge clears away for the dominion voting systems million dolla defamation lawsuit to go t trial. the big names on that witnes list and why fox news should b very very worried after th eabrk. stay with us asthma isn't pretty. it's the moment when you realize that a good day... is about to become a bad one. but then, i remembered that the world is so much bigger than that, with trelegy.

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major ruling in the 1.6 billio dollar plus dollar defamatio suit brought by dominion votin systems. on friday a judge in delawar supreme court entered an odo on competing conclusions for summary judgment stating tha there is significant evidenc to conclude that fox hosts and guests made false claims about dominion's false caught in a 2020 election. it will head to trial in mid april to determine whether fox acted with actual malice which means the jury needs t

decide whether they released false information with knowledge of a reckles disregard of whether was fak or not jeremy peters's new york times correspondent in msnbc contributor. jeremy, you like i has bee tracking this case for a while and we were both looking to se what was going to happen fro the summary judgment notions and listen as judge eric davis on friday decimated much o foxes potential offenses rulin that fox cannot invoke the neutral report privilege because the evidence does no support that fox conducted goo faith reporting and the charge also blocking fox from using the fair reporting privilege because the statements made by fox and his guests were no related to officia proceedings. explain to our viewers why thi is such a major setback for fox. >> because when the jury gets case and several of foxes ke arguments will not be availabl for its lawyers to make. several of these will alread

have been decided in dominion' favor because of the judge's decision on friday so what this does is i significantly limits foxes ability to mount a defense and leaves for the jury the ke question of whether or not there is enough evidence t show that fox hosts producer and executives knew what the were putting on the air wa false or at least recklessly disregarded information showin that it was false and that i how you get to potentially significant and sizeable judgment against fox news. danya is asking for one poin $6 million and appears tha unless this is settled which i think it's highly unlikely a this point, it has always been pretty unlikely because fo appears to be preserving its options for an appeal here and this is going to head to the jury and it will be one of the

most significant and far-reaching defamation suit against a major media compan that we have seen in decades because you do not usually get an entity as powerful an politically connected as fox news and as important to the political culture of the country held and required to answer in the court of law forte answers like this. >> jeremy after the ruling fox it in a statement quote this case isn't always has been about the first amendmen protections of the media absolute right to cover th news but jeremy the court foun in this 130-page order her that there was evidenc developed in the civil proceeding which demonstrate that it is crystal clear tha none of the statements related to dominion about the 2020 election are true and jeremy for those viewers that have no seen at that order and the wor crystal isn't all caps for emphasis just in case fox wa not paying attention so much easier to use job no it's trial to prove actual

malice >> dominion's lawyers could no be more pleased with how thi decision came down and i do no think that anyone on eithe side of this case was expectin the judge to just rule out right that dominion could show actual malice and all the jury would have to do is decide o damages. that was a best-case scenari that dominion is hoping for bu i do not think that they actually expected it would get that and they did get less tha that but it is still as far as dominion is concerned a very positive outcome here becaus it just gives the jury less to have to decide so if you are a juror now as opposed to having to sort through and decide truth and falsity for all sort of different statements an various issues which are complicated legal issues tha you have to weigh in on the ne

really only have to focus on one thing which is did fox knowingly put out lies on it air after the 2020 election, claiming that dominion machine were somehow responsible for this nonexistent plot to steal the election from donald trump >> jeremy, i don't know bu you'll i'll be seeing yo hopefully on april 17th when this trial is it to start fo six weeks. i thank you for joining us today and we look forward to seeing you again >> thanks for having, me katie >> so did any of you catch the madness last night take a look at this. >> it is butler with 2 seconds he's gonna put it in he wins. >> san diego state winning on buzzer-beater against florid atlanta university scoring 72-71 in the ncaa final format and ma butler with the incredible shot that you jus saw to give the aztecs the win they are moving on to th national championship game against uconn which is set for tomorrow night

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is serious feature some of the most powerful asian american and pacific islander women i sat down with him for roundtable discussion over dinner, to give a unique insight into what it means t be an asian american trying to fit into today's society we spoke on the wide range o topics from parenthood t professional struggles t beauty standards and i have the honor joining m now on set one of the wome that was featured in the culture is a ip i woman, nugen knee lap national billboar finalist in the author of free food for millionaires an petrenko she is also one of my bigges inspirations, so to have you here is such an honor.

when you look at the suc curiosity. because this, true because you are. share with our viewers wha your favorite thing was abou the dinner tonight forgetting how cold it was what was your favorite thing >> for me it was really th friendship and the inspiration that i found from eating these women. so often we do not have spaces where we are all together an the fact that we had a table finally, when is it last tim we had a primetime special celebrating and honoring i discussing the interests o asian american woman in america? ever in the history of television >> why do you think it is that we just have not had tha happen until now >> racism. exclusion, sexism. i think that our interests are important and our voices are important. and i think that until we star making these kinds of demand almost we are not going to b noticed and we are not going t be considered politica citizens and cultural citizens intellectual citizens, socia citizens until we are actually hard

>> we have a clip from the show it is a talked about clip that people are really talkin about. here is this clip where we tal about asians and asian women trying to assimilate int american culture take a quick listen. >> how many of you have date white guys >> - >> how many of you have marrie white guys >> race traitor. >> totally >> you said something really interesting right now. >> my mother even to this da will say man she messed up because she had to assimilat too much that we married a white person both my brother and i ar married to caucasian people. >> allow >> and when love happened it was 4000 years of culture down the drain. >> that is not hyperbole that is really how some parent feel in the asian culture. why was it so important to speak so transparently and

honestly about not only dating and marriage and relationships but all the other things tha we talked about? >> i think one of the chie criticisms that asian american feel about living in a majorit western culture is that we are foreigners and interestingly interracia dating is considered a taboo subject. and ironically interracial dating and interracial love is very common place. so the irony of not talkin about even though it i happening before our eyes, whe i have interviewed so many white women about this topic because i have and i hav written about it, very often the offense of asian america or asian women being married t white men or to blackmon or to non asian man as often mai order brides they actually saw that so i spoke to a very elite and highly educated book club, i which almost all of thes really elegant smart white

women thought that wheneve they saw a white man with an asian woman that she was a mai order bride. those are the terms that i heard. so it is interesting when they discussed this race trader because from her point of view she's talking about how agency it someone either side you ar having non-asian peopl discriminate against those asian american women who are married to non asian man and then you also have asian american and asian put familie and cultures and people, sayin that this is a bad thing i find that's the possibilit of love occurs no matter where you are. in the fact it is looked a critically and also with suspicion and also as an inferior status i find that to be deeply problematic. >> what do you want people t feel and to take away from watching what we did togethe in houston a few months ago? they're gonna see it tonight what you want them to feel and think about when they finish

watching our session >> i love if they woul reconsider some of their preconceptions i think that is the big, problem is not so much that i' angry or hurt or really joyous it is actually all of thos things, right? because i think our disease ar really complex and beautiful so we could celebrate its, w can be critical of it. but i think that above all i really wish that we could be seen because i do not think we are. i don't think it is considered cool to say that we should b considered human because obviously we are human but unfortunately the way asia women and asian men are seen i this culture is that very ofte we are not human >> well you are an inspiration to me. and mentioned lee is one of my personal heroes. i want to thank you for bein here today and i want everybod to not frigates tonight. so those dvr's or be prepare to tune in attempts of eastern on msnbc the culture is a ip i woman in this arrington item also b streaming on peacock i think all of you for joining us this morning. i'll be back next saturday and

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